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If there is no "Master Designer" or something greater than this universe then how did existance come to be? How is it that the Earth just so happens to be perfectly placed the right amount of distance from the sun for life to exist? That the gravity pull is the right amount for life to exist on Earth? Do you honestly think it all came from a random explosion? Let me ask you this. Is it possible to be sitting in your living room and have a horse just suddenly appear in front of you? NO! Same goes for this. The Earth and its universe had to have came from a greater being. Just like the theory of Spontaneous Generation was disproved. LIVING CANNOT COME FROM NON-LIVING. I believe in the big bang theory. Yes some explosion had to occur to create all of this, but the explosion was created/caused by a greater figure-one that had the power to make everything so precise and perfect for our existance.
Relativity disproved the big bang over a century go and so science does not believe in a genisis of explosion. In modern Cosmology the leading means to Genesis comes through a vacuum fluctuation. (ie QM)
John, stow your pathetic pretenses. You wouldn't know a vacuum fluctuation if it orthonormalized your own flaccid Hamiltonian.
Perry- My education includes 16 Semester hours of Halliday and Resnick with the Berkeley Labs. If you lack the scientific background to refute what I write, perhaps it would be best if you only read here.
No proof whatsoever of any degree, any employment, or anything else, Tard.
When are you going to produce some?
By the way, I'm Queen Elizabeth II. Now bow before me, you little peon.
Umm, John, Halliday and Resnick won't get you far into advanced quantum mechanics, and nor will an introductory course. Let's put your claims and your depth of understanding to the test. Explain in your own words what quantum fluctuations are, with reference to certain operators, and then explain how that leads specifically to the biblical version of genesis.
-but be careful. If you succeed with that, you will be the first person ever to do so.
John P. Tarver has a limp hamiltonian.
Creationism=Autism
"Relativity disproved the big bang over a century"
John. Over a century ago? I think your time line is WAY off. All credibility is lost for you – sorry 🙂
@33
The earth has places on it where life struggles constantly to survive, it is not perfect, life has had to adapt to the conditions provided for it. The earth has things about it that are conducive to life taking a hold on it, but it is by no means a slam dunk.
No, the chances for a horse suddenly poofing in front of me are very close to nil, are you suggesting that you can pray one into being?
Damocles if so man I would sure like to learn how to pray like that well on second thought maybe not no telling how bad I would screw up if God were my lil in a gennie in a bottle.
John P. Tarver, you are a particularly ignorant twit. You can start your reading and learning about the science of evolution and the evidence for evolution here:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=14
I am very well aware of the ant study and it's cult of followers. I once destroyed the usenet group alt.origins with these same facts. Any sort of url you produce will be inferior to alt.origins in it's devotion to outdated science.
Hey, Tardver, "it's" is a contraction for "it is". "Its" is a possessive.
Anyone with a decent education in ANY field would know that. You're a fraud.
John, you have never "destroyed" any such thing. If you still think otherwise, then prove it. Furthermore, there is VASTLY more to the Berkeley evolution site than what you are suggesting, so do give it a read. You might learn something, and you might elevate your level of knowledge about evolution above the zero that you are presently at.
Karen- Of course every NEA memeber must teach Evolution as fact. We are discussing science here however, not America's 78th in the World K-12 education failure
One of the big reasons our educational system is doing so poorly in science is precisely because of morons like you, Tardver. What are your credentials, dearie?
This clown has to be a Poe. No one is really this stupid.
Stop trying to change the subject, John. I'm going to drag you back:
John, you have never "destroyed" any such thing. If you still think otherwise, then prove it. Furthermore, there is VASTLY more to the Berkeley evolution site than what you are suggesting, so do give it a read. You might learn something, and you might elevate your level of knowledge about evolution above the zero that you are presently at.
I'd like to see proof of the "Great Destroyer" and his accomplishments. I'll bet the moron disappears again, only to show up in a few hours, bloviating about the same crap.
http://billnye.hubpages.com/hub/Bill-Nye-The-Science-Guy-Evolution-Did-NOT-Happen
Even though we knowtoday that species occur rapidly following a ass extinction, the opposite of Nye's understanding of science, there remains the oxymoron of rapid, or random mutation evolution Dr. Gould's work in the area of random mutation evolution was very popular until the human genome project proved that Dog is Man's closest genome relatve. We know today that random mutation evolution points to Dag as man's progenitor and Evolutionists are by their own claim SOBs.
Well even if what you said were true, that still doesn't keep strong-minded people from seeing right through the lies of politicians and salesmen that have been selling religion to people since the beginning of mankind. That's why I say agnosticism is the best approach when it comes to deities. And atheism is the best approach when it comes to all religion. We are stunting the intellectual potential of our children when we lie to them about all the unfounded, conflicted religions of the world.
Dog is man's closest genomic relative? Either a joke that was DOA or you go to a private school in north Louisiana.
Kindless- The Jesus of the Gospel of Luke is a 1%er with purchased Roman Citizenship and John calls him the Logos. (ie spell of creation) Don't expect anything but lies from Satan to come from the pulpit.
Tardver is a phony.
John P Tarver – you are delusional or just a poe. One or the other.
So, who created the elements for evolution?
What makes you think they were "created" at all?
And who created god?
Let me start off by saying I believe in God. That said, hasn't it ever struck any of you as odd that scores of people had gods thousands of years before Yahweh presented himself to Abraham? If Yahweh is the one and only true god, how did these other people come up with the idea of god before anyone knew he existed? We're not talking about a wheel or a flying machine here. The idea of a supernatural deity isn't exactly the kind of thing you could predict, is it?
I used to think that if you didn't believe in anything, you had no substance. The past 30 years of watching religious people turn their brains off for God has changed my mind. I find comfort in the company of atheists nowadays. My beliefs won't change, even with my brain running full bore. That's what faith is.
Post by 'Deborah' is an instance of the Begging the Question fallacy.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
Richard that is a very simply stated question. But it is a very complex one that no one can answer. I believe he does exist. But if I am right and no one can answer how he came to be, or answer many other simple questions that are based on the assumption there is no God how does anyone here have the arrogance to think that they know more than me or anyone else. Yet there are many here that are very disrespectful. I can wish "or pray"that everybody here would be more tolerant and respectful of others who do not agree or maybe understand their views. Science is young as are we. Maybe one day it will "prove" God exist, then a hundred years later "prove he doesn't.
Where is the evidence for the evolutionary theory? Much of science is theoretical. Pure science is proven by observation of fact. The vast majority of people accept theory as fact. Is it a fact that you evolved from a lower form of life and can therefor excuse your behavior? Send your children off to war for they have no hope anyway. They'll grow up just like their parents. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. True faith is not based on credulity like the "Theory of Evolution." Compare your theory to Hebrews chapter eleven and then do your own research to establish fact from fable.
You don't understand what a theory is. There's nothing more to discuss.
The only proof of evolution is in the hearts of Darwin's racist cult.
tom- A theory is experimentally demonstrable and repeatable, like Relativiety and unlike Evolution as a means to species.
Give it up, Tarver. You've already shown you are a clueless boob.
Evolution has been repeated in lab experiments, dummy.
Tom- name one. Forget the randomly mutated flys, for they return to nromal in about 10 days; no new species.
I thought theory meant that we think this is true. I guess I could look it up, but but I would like to know what you think it means. I know you might not want to waste your time explaining it to me, but I would be grateful if you did.
I know evolution to be factual, but I also believe everyone has a right to believe otherwise. What I don't understand is why a difference of opinion is only acceptable if that difference supports your own belief.
I am an agnostic yet I support Christianity (the teachings of Christ) and try to live my life accordingly. For those who love this great country, understand this, the Declaration of Independence proclaims that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
If we ever get to the time that we believe our life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness was not given to us by a higher power then these rights will be determined by mankind. These rights are what has preserved our liberty and made this the greatest country on earth.
It doesn't matter if you or I believe in a higher power, do not tamper with the greatness of this country, and respect the beliefs of others that you don't understand. The belief in Creationism is vital to the existence of this country as we know it even if you don't agree with it.
Nonsense.
The only thing a belief in Creationism will do is make this country a laughingstock and cause us to regress as a people.
If you're a scientist why claim there is not Creator? Isn't the job of a scientist to try to prove that something exists. I don't like to hear a "Creator" isn't real or "only exsists in your head" you don't know, you can't know. You have no scientific proof to discredit a creator, so why not respect someone else’s hypothesis, instead of being pretentious.
Just a Thought
Einstein claimed in 1927 that Relativity and Quantum Mechanics prove that "a sentient being outside the universe is required to make the universe real". This idea was very unpopular to Einstein's.NAZI counterparts who claimed that "there are an infinite number of parallel universes"; based in the notion that probabilities are deterministic. John Bell proved that probabilities are not deterministic and removed the scientific basis opposing Einstein's proof of God.
Do you believe in unicorns and dragons as well? The reason why some say that there is no god is because there isn't a single shred of evidence to support the existence of any god, and indeed a preponderance of evidence to show that the universe and this world were formed by very natural processes.
There have been thousands of gods worshiped by humans throughout history. If there is indeed a supreme being, there is no reason at all to believe that it would be the Abrahamic god.
Evolutionists are today's flat earthers and Nye is one of them. Species occur rapidly following a mass extinction, the opposite of evolution. Let go of the outdated science Bill and revel in modern science.
Ever heard of "punctuated evolution"? You need to try reading a few books.
I am very well aware of Dr. Gould's work in rapid evolution theory. Ever heard of an oxymoron?
I've heard of oxymorons. "Educated creationist", for example.
Tom- Einstein is my favorite example of an educated creationist. If you happen to get some education perhaps you will have somethimng besides blind faith to discuss.
Few creationists believe that the six days of creation were six 24-hour days. Most of these self-proclaimed scientists have no idea what creationism stands for and are very adept at knocking over a straw man which exists ony in their own mind.
I've heard that there are several versions of this. Some people insist that the earth was created in 6 'literal' days, since that's what they imagine the Bible says and they have to believe the 'literal truth' of their Holy Book.
But all of these versions have one thing in common, that it's all about us. What conceit.
Here's the way I see it. I believe in God. And, I believe that the study of science will only help us understand God, who is the architect of science and nature, better as we learn more. We can see the evidence of the creation of the universe in astronomy, archeology, and various other studies. The evidence indicates that creation is much older than what we would expect from reading the Bible, but I do believe the Bible is the record God wants us to have as a moral compass. No one 6,000 years ago could have conceived of the persective of the universe we have today, so God allowed them to have their belief system to keep them faithful. Now we can see so much more than then. Now if you asked me if the God that created the universe could have formed an earth complete with a mysterious archeological record, I say, "yep".
If a child is scared of monsters in the closet, you can always rationalize the monsters away for him but he'll still have a need to be scared. I feel sorry for religious people.
For thousands of years, humanity has been searching for "god". You'd think we would have found something by now, even a tiny trace, if there were indeed a supernatural supreme being. But there is nothing, just believers clinging to their personal myths, like children clinging to security blankets.
Tall just because you haven't found GOD is not evidence he doesn't exist. Many people think that they have. I'm guessing at that at some point all try to pray. It is a deep seated belief, or maybe just hope. But if true or not it is part of our DNA.
@takawalk,
you can't prove the non-existence of anything.
Prove to me that there is not tooth fairy.
No Gop you can't you can't, but my simple mind didn't quite understand your comment I was not trying to prove anything. Just saying that a lot of folks think he does and you can't know if he does or doesn't
@tak
So then I can say, without any proof mind you, that it is in our DNA to search for Mr. Fluffy the Cat Deity?
Damocles Ok lol I wasn't being scientific and all that. Just using terminology trying to make a statement. What I was trying to say is that throughout history even before the God of the Christian bible and others, man has always tried to "invent" or worship a Deity. It has never been a thing that connects with intelligence but with our "souls'. we really aren't very smart. Way to young to know it all. Maybe gut feelings are actually the way to go.
Science thinks more of itself than it ought. The Theory of Evolution is counter intuitive, it promotes the concept that life can arise spontaneously (or perhaps guided by aliens as in Directed Panspermia) from inorganic material. I thought that Pasture put the nail in that coffin more than 100 years ago. Alexander Redi actually disproved spontaneous generation two centuries prior to Pasture, but it took "science" two centuries to accept it. The time debate is a red herring. Molecules cannot become men without divine intervention on some level no matter how much time is involved. If you have a creation, logic (and causality) infer a Creator or Intelligent Designer. That and the bait and switch technique of offering adaptation as evidence for molecules-to-men Darwinian evolution is another problem that seems to be left unaddressed.
Evolution took a long time, that would be billions of years. Think now about how quickly the flu virus mutates. There is beauty, wonder in awe in the evolution process, this is not taken away, but the facts do appear to remain compelling that we certainly did not come into existence 10,000 years ago.
The theory of evolution is about the way life changes over time. It is not about life jumping out of inorganic compounds.
BTW organic compounds exist without life.
Who is Bill Nye and why would I care what he thinks?
Bill Nye is a teacher of science. He has had TV series that are geared toward various aged youth and provided millions with knowledge. He's fun when teaching as well. I myself enjoyed watching him. Why should we care. Just like listening to anyone else whom you might respect he's a thoughtful, caring individual who only wants a peaceful and full filled society. So as a caring member of society he speaks out.
More should speak out against ignorance and those who would suppress select knowledge because it does not fit with a belief system to which one might subscribe. In science conclusions, hypothesis, rules, are presented and proven as fact through experimentation . While matters of the heart and soul may be more etherial and require belief one must be very careful not to impose a belief system (which can not be scientifically proved) on another because there is no autoritative way to verify the truth or confirm the statement. Scripture is in all belief system so one really can not claim a select scripture as definitive proof.
So it seems he was saying is lets make sure we teach science (with science targeted funds) and not a specific belief system, of which there are many, because it does not meet the requirements to be called a science.
Bill Nye is a joke teaching outdated notions to fools
lol I guess I don't I was bored and didn't want to hear it, but I flipped to the comments and got interested in the discussion.
I find that those who believe spend a lot of time trying to impose their will on others. Religion is the basis of most conflict in the world. Its fine of you want to believe that the world is 10,000 years old despite the contrary but to those of us who deal in facts its just silliness. Teaching children to ignore whats right before their eyes and to believe is in something that simply has not foundation in facts is to do them a disservice. Religion has its place but its not science nor the truth, its something that people believe, that does not make it fact or someone elses truth.
Negativity has nothing to do with ignorance it has to do with the lack of knowledge. Negativity is not talking about facts vs beliefs its just being honest about the facts. Belief and faith is great if that gets you through but don't try to shoot down those who would present the facts so that our children can gain knowledge and be less ignorant.
I agree with you bill .>> you are a special case > you are really
an involvement all of you own making !
Prayer changes things .
Actually that's entirely false. What is true is this:
Agnostic Atheism is Healthy for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, are just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.
Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).
So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.
mama kindless
Cory, you can't really be that dumb. Why do you pretend to be?
Arguments beget negativity, negativity – ignorance, ignorance – anger, anger – hate, hate – violence, violence – death.
Stop the pointless bickering and attempts at proving others wrong, do good for the earth and others, and live your life.
Are saying that people shouldn't stand up against what they see as wrong?
Just shut up, do good for others, and live your life.
Negativity breeds ignorance, ignorance breeds hate, hate breeds violence, and violence begets death.
The world has more to w
Cory,
I find that those who believe spend a lot of time trying to impose their will on others. Religion is the basis of most conflict in the world. Its fine of you want to believe that the world is 10,000 years old despite the contrary but to those of us who deal in facts its just silliness. Teaching children to ignore whats right before their eyes and to believe is in something that simply has not foundation in facts is to do them a disservice.
Negativity has nothing to do with ignorance it has to do with the lack of knowledge. Negativity is not talking about facts vs beliefs its just being honest about the facts. Belief and faith is great if that gets you through but don't try to shoot down those who would present the facts so that our children can gain knowledge and be less ignorant.
Not taking sides here kids but it is the "theory" of evolution. Ya gotta prove it for it to be a fact
Pythagorean Theorem is called a theory, as is Universal Gravitation and Special Relativity. Read a book
Its a theory in the same way gravity is a theory. We have a reasonably good idea of how it worked, works, and will work, but we are still learning and refining the nuances of the theory. The only thing you can ever "prove" is mathematics, science will always consist of theories because our understanding doesn't include a testable occurrence in envy single possible environment or situation. We have theories about how gravity works on Jupiter, but it isn't PROVEN because we haven't actually sent probes to every spot on Jupiter and tested it.
Learn how science works and learn what words mean before you try to speak against it or use them.
The "theory" part isn't about whether it occurred, or is occurring today. The scientists don't dispute that. The theorizing is all about how it works, what drives it, and how we can use what we learn to make medicines, vaccines and other benefits. If you ever got a flu shot, or antibiotic then you've benefitted from evolution science, so stop being a hypocrite.
Forgot to ask any creationists why we would even need new flu shots or antibiotics if bacteria and viruses weren't evolving?
Darwin had to invent his own "sciientific method" in order for Evolution to ever be called a "theory". Today modern biology knows that the "ant study" is not a pillar of science . Nye is a fool, like so many of the cult of evolution.
"Not taking sides here kids but it is the "theory" of evolution".
And I suppose you believe that the existence of god is a fact. The existence of god couldn't even be classified as a theory. It's more like a hypothesis, an idea or proposition with little or no evidence to support it (in this case none). To use your words, "Ya gotta prove it for it to be a fact". Don't feel bad if you can't produce any evidence to support the existence of god, however, no one else can either.
Aaron- From Relativity science knows that Graity is Mass bending Time, but Darwin's notional hypothesis fails the "scientific method" to be a theory. (ie experimenatally demonstrable and repeatable)
Sayingitdoesnotmakeittrue – Please educate yourself on the term 'theory' and how its used in science. You just dropped your pants in front of the class. Total embarrassment for you.
Sayingitdoesnotmakeittrue:
Go take a basic science course. You obviously have no idea what a 'theory' is as it is used in science. I am so sick to death of this utter ignorance. That when you walk outside you will not float up into the sky is a theory. That your body is made up of cells is a theory. A 'theory' is not a hypothesis or a wild guess, it is the gold standard. How do you function being so singularly stupid?
I am glad someone explained the use of the word the theory. But although the evidence supports it, it still means we don't know for sure or is that thought to simplistic? Not sarcasm but a genuine question.