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 "The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET
Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own videoBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host. "Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.
Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories "At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God." Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible. The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom. "[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past." For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom. In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state. A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world. Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old. "The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video. Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years. "Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?" Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years. The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God. |
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the earth was created WITH age just as Adam and Eve were created with age. There were full grown trees, blooming plants, adult animals of every species AND an earth that seemed to be mature...but it was created that way by an intelligent creator.
That were all wiped out in the great flood that started all that nasty inbreeding all over again. Really, you can twist and turn the BS in the bible all you want but you will never get it to make sense to someone that isn't brainwashed and/or braindead.
Lots of crazies in here!
Well, Romney still believes the Earth is flat, so Bill Nye might have a fight on his hands. It's funny that people deny evolution, and science. Religion is pretty creepy.
In Defense of Bill Nye and the Teaching of Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXyS2xEMHCw&feature=plcp
You said it very correctly Keith – These people have the inborn duty to try to convince everyone their views are correct when science has definitely proven them to be wrong. That is alright. Everyone has an opinion or view and should not be forced upon others. My only complaint is they do not live or practice what they preach!
INTELLIGENT DESIGN OR RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDA
1. Intelligent design (ID) is a form of creationism promu.lgated by the Discovery Inst..itute, HQs at the Center for Science and Culture. The Inst.itute defines it as the propos.ition that "certain features of universe and living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undire.cted process such as natural selection" and want to redefine science by invo.king supernatural explanations.
2. The overall goal of the movement is to "defeat the materi.alist world view" represented by the theory of evolution in favor of "a science con.sonant with Christian and theistic convic.tions".
3. Who started it – a group of American creationists who revised their argument in the creation–evolution controve.rsy to circu.mvent court rulings such as the United States Supreme Court Edwards v. Aguillard ruling, which barred the teaching of "Creation Science" in public schools as breaching the separation of church and state . ID movement is a direct outgrowth of the creationism of 1980s.
4. All leading ID proponents are fellows or staff of CSC. Nearly all intelligent design concepts and the associated movement are the products of the Discovery Inst..itute.
5. Leading ID proponents have made conflicting statements regarding ID. In statements directed at the general public, they say ID is not religious; when addressing conservative Christian supporters, they state that ID has its foundation in the Bible. Phillip E. Johnson has stated that cultivating ambiguity by employing secular language in arguments that are carefully crafted to avoid overtones of theistic creationism is a necessary first step for ultimately reintroducing the Christian concept of God as the designer.
6. According to Thomas Dixon, "Religious leaders have come out against ID too. An open letter affirming the compatibility of Christian faith and the teaching of evolution, first produced in response to controversies in Wisconsin in 2004, has now been signed by over ten thousand clergy from different Christian denominations across America. In 2006, the director of the Vatican Observatory, the Jesuit astronomer George Coyne, condemned ID as a kind of 'crude creationism' which reduced God to a mere engineer."
7. The scientific community rejects the extension of science to include supernatural explanations in favor of continued acceptance of methodological naturalism and has rejected both irreducible complexity and specified complexity for a wide range of conceptual and factual flaws.
That was just the overview. Now all those who want to support ID, please explain the following:
1. They proposed that natural selection is not how it happened. Now they say natural selection happened but was guided by God?
2. The very goal of the movement is to fit the concept of god into science, not to find the truth.
3. ID is just an extension of Creationism, and they simply changed their argument from blatant creationism to ID when they lost ground. (How good can such scientists be?)
4. Well, the movement is only at one centre (fortunately) – do you mean to say that all the other scientists of the world are atheists?
5. Fifth point just shows their hypocrisy.
6. See, even your own flock doesnot agree! (BTW, that seems to be the rule, not the exception as far as religion goes).
7. Now when you overcome these factual flaws, please get back to the actual scientists.
Is your Doctoral thesis in Mopology? Let's assume God created the World in 7 days. If he did, those days were so called Adamic days. They lasted as long as the task took to complete. So, if all God's task took 7 Adamic days, they could have lasted a few billion years. You interpret so literally, that you forget to think that God's message is perhaps more complicated that we give him credit for. How arrogant are you to think you can actually understand completely a message from God? Now, having said all that, all I can say to anyone who believe that the world is 6000 years old, is "Rubbish"
@Simran
All religions have some difficulty adapting their dogma to the advances in knowledge and science. So we do not live on a flat earth and we are not the center of the universe, anymore, but 600 years ago? Theistic evelolution, intelligent design are pretty lame attempts to square the circle and adapt to scientific knowledge. One of the dumbest has got to be Adamic days ,in the post by MSM, make the BS up as you go, pathetic.
Mbele Simba Mambasi
Sad for you, God forgot to give this message to 2/3rds of his human creation!
Now, I never said God created the earth in 7 days. The creationist did. Now some of you are taking a complete U turn and saying God's day is not man's day!.I just said that ID is just a sophisticated version of creationism with no real science backing it. You want to argue this with a book, which has been interpreted in 30,000 different ways? And which is only read by 1/3rd of human race (I wonder how many of these actually ever read it!)
And how did you conclude about my doctoral degree!!! Hmmh.. haapens to people when they fail to read the whole post...
("I know why so many atheists come out to chime in on the internet. They are vastly outnumbered everywhere else and this gives them a safe place to vent and rant. Here, they can make their "I'm smarter than you!" and hyper-offensive comments without the fear of getting beat up or shot.")
Wow! I think you just slammed Christians worse than anyone on here by admitting that they would gladly beat up or shoot atheists outside the anonymity of the internet. I agree they would because almost none of them practice what they preach or resemble Jesus in any way.
I've been saying this as well, but this article is the first place I've heard that someone else this the same way tat I do: Teaching children about creationism is a form of child abuse and brain washing.
This should be illegal. And in time I am confident it will be. Maybe not in my lifetime, but it most certainly will be considered child abuse at some point in the future.
Jim
You believe that man over 6000 years believers? The book most sold in history-the Bible. Today the most sold book in the world-the Bible. The first book printed on a press-the Bible. You atheists are a tiny, tiny minority. Keep clapping yourselves on the back and spit on your heritage. You have made a wonderful world. Did a bang up job you atheists did. Take the new chip in your right hand or forehead. It's in the new Obamacare law-look it up. It's there. Israel will become a nation again-wow. Fire and brimstone in the end-wow sounds like nuclear bombs. Man will sleep with man...hmmm.
I am a Christian and have been all my life but I DO NOT believe that creationism is science and it's not supposed to be. The Bible is not a text book, it's the story of God and God's people in the Judeo Christian tradition. Do not attempt to fill my kids' heads with this junk about how science is evil and wrong. That's garbage and it's only one way to read the Bible, the wrong way. You all are acting like the Taliban. Stop it.
You call yourself Christian? You are fanatic. You are the Obiah Man. You have been smoking Ganja quite a lot. In your case, effects are very bad. Wewe si ya Kikristo. Unaamini katika kuku
Mbele Simba Mambasi, I'm not going to ask what you think he does with the chicken... 🙂
Ham says, ..." we teach children and adults the truth..." Whose truth? It may be his truth but it certainly is not mine.
Well, his name is Ham. His truth would be different if his name was chicken
For a better understanding of the times before the Bible and the development of the earth and human life, we invite you to read the article ‘Creation’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.
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AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC/CREATION CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD
Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)
"Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."
Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;
Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).
Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does Obam and his family) (And Biden) (And Ryan)
The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.
Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
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They teach Creationism to young children and then once they have them brainwashed they abuse them and get away with it. Thats a fact. They dont hold their own people to the standards they are preaching. So their argument does not mean much at all.
There are people arguing on behalf of Creationists and Evolutionists – that are making fool of both theories. Let pro's like Nye and whoever is on the other side handle it. Ham is not one of the guys who can move forward creationist belief. Even a causal observor can out debate him.But then most of the evoluist proponet on this board can be out debated.
So far only Bill Nye (in this discussion) has a cohesive argument that someone neutral can identify with.
Nye is just a man about to die and is scared to death. He wants to make himself feel better. He has a B.S. like I do. He know's nothing more deep than I do. He will cry for God in the end-they always do. I have seen hundreds die and they all do in the end. So will you, but He never knew you and where you go will not be a happy ending. Was your grandfather a Christian-spit on him some more.
If all Nye wanted to do was make himself feel better, it's more likely he would be feeding into a fairy tale that caters to people who need a belief in afterlife to give their actual life meaning.
Imagine what a different world we would live in if Jesus had been a science teacher...
If God created the Earth and the Universe, He did it with the processes that the scientists have proven and it was done over billions of years. The Earth is billions of years old and living creatures have been on the Earth for millions of years with humans being here at least 100,000 years. Yes, evolution is real. It happens now and has been observed and fossils have proven that humans evolved from other forms. Did God get all of this started? Maybe, maybe not. To believe otherwise is pure foolishness.
The problem with evolution is that the argument is constantly warped to suck in any view that opposes it. It cannot stand on its own. Processes scientists have proven? You need to look at how those process were developed. You state facts with no support. There have been NO fossils found that prove that one thing evolved into another. All you are doing blindly talking about what you think you know.
Very reasonable statement. I personally don't ascribe to the Big Bang theory – there was no start from nothing and no ultimate end of the universe... just constant recycling.
Robert, all of the evidence, and I mean absolutely ALL of the evidence, points incredibly strongly towards evolution. What evidence points towards creationism? A book written in stages by various people (yes, actual mortal people) over a few thousand years which has been edited, rewritten, retranslated numerous times along the way. I can't understand why people are so steadfast in believing a creation myth over evidence they can see with their own eyes. And it is a creation myth, just like the hundreds of other creation myths from various cultures and religions. This one just happened to win a popularity contest.
You people have been shooting down God forever, but guess what still there. when you die and go to the dark holle you built yourselves, guess what God will still be worshiped. the fastest growing area for church's is China. Muslim, Jew and Christian all believe in the same God-from Abraham. 2/3 of the planet think you are fools. Every ancestor of yours thought God was real. Every founder of the United States thought God was real. Every President except the last one thought God was real. Six days to build the universe-God's days. There was no earth or a earth day until he made it-Gods day is millions of years perhaps. Funny civilization actually started when the Bible says it did. So laugh at your grandparents, and every person responsible for your dark hearts until this generation-look how well the Earth is today. I hope you have marshmallows when you die. Your best case is you blink out for eternity and worst case eternity in hell. Nice. Hope ou get what you want.
Every founder of the United States thought God was real? That's all I needed to read to see just how much Kool-Aid you've consumed. I've got not a problem in the world acknowledging your point that there are a lot of believers in the world. The majority, you're right. But all of our Founders? Every one? That's just a lie. Plain and simple and so easily proved. It just undermines everything else you say and displays exactly how you get followers. Fear, lies and manipulation. But, hey, if you can sleep with yourself, fine.
This logic is pure foolishness. Consensus or lack of it has no bearing on reality, and Creationism is absolutely absurd. The ONLY reason people believe in it is because it is what they learned when they were young and it is easier to lie to people than to convince them that they've been lied to. No rational person can possibly believe such nonsense as the earth being in existence prior to the sun or woman being created from a man's rib in the face of all of the overwhelming evidence that life evolved over millions of years. Saying "Look, they believe as I do!" simply means that x number of people were exposed to the same myths and have the same mental aversion to accepting that Santa isn't real.
Look it up every founder believed-two did not believe in organized religion. Try reading-it helps and not relying on what they tell you. Seriously look it up. Jefferson was a deist-didn't like organized Church. Every one of your ancestors believed-spit in their faces more.
So Omen you believe there was a pinpoint of matter that made the universe like some guy in a tweed suit told you so? Your really smart-spit in your parents and their parents and their parents eyes. The school that you went to was fashioned after Catholic schools. the ancient science you study was kept by priests through the dark ages. Are you really smart and know more than 2/3 of the planet and 6000 years of people believing? Your really smart. I hope you blink out forever like you believe, because I wouldn't wish where you will be going on anyone. What a dark and tragic belief you have.
iamchristianman, you gloat about how "2/3s" of the world's population believe as you do (which, in and of itself, is quite inaccurate), and then you attack Omen by claiming that "The school that you went to was fashioned after Catholic schools". You just threw 1.2 billion Christians out of your "2/3s" by attacking Catholicism, which brings your "2/3s" down to less than one-half. Your math is about as good as your spelling (which, frankly, my dear, sucks) and your logic is even worse. Oh well. Live with your ignorant arrogance.
"2/3 of the planet think you are fools" When Copernicus and Gallilleo challenged the dogmas, they literally were risking their lives, so it's a progress. I guess there will be time when most of people will be more like Copernicus or even Carl Sagan than like those who burn people at pyres for Jesus.
A lot of people used to think the sun revolves around the earth too. Oh wait, do you guys still believe that?
If God created the Earth and the Universe, He did it with the processes that the scientists have proven and it was done over billions of years. The Earth is billions of years old and living creatures have been on the Earth for millions of years with humans being here at least 100,000 years. Yes, evolution is real. It happens now and has been observed and fossils have proven that humans evolved from other forms. Did God get all of this started? Maybe, maybe not. To believe otherwise is pure foolishness.
Like the scientists thought the big-bang theory and you bought it. then they said it happens over and over. You bought it. then mathematicians said the chances of the chemical reaction happening to make life was 1 in 50 BILLION so now they are talking about alien seeding. yeah a little piece of matter that nobody knows where it came from decides to explode the size of a pin and makes the universe but you can buy that? They gave you asbestos, thalidomide, tested syphilis on black men, cancer causing M&M's. Coffee is bad for you, coffee is good for you. They gave you nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction but you trust men that can barely open a glass door because they are so confused. And in the end they commit suicide because of the dark void coming on. Christians are living in a fantasy world-wake up. Big bang theory-the center of that is God.
Ummm, they gave you the PC you are using right now haha
Wow, check out the cheap rug on Bill Nye! That is one goofy-lookin' mofo.
He is getting near death and is trying to figure it out. I worked in an ER when studying for university. The atheist cried like women and begged God for forgiveness. Christians said goodbye to their families and died with smiles on their faces. seen it-you will be begging in the end as well and nobody is going to be there for you. He never knew you. This guy and Hawkins are what you base you r lives on? you poor, poor delusional people. Everything they teach will be struck down like Freud, Hawkins (most of his work has been disproved already) and Darwin. Darwin was studying to be a Priest but couldn't cut the mustard-did you know that? Look it up. Changing species is God's way of protecting the world from us.
Yeah, he looks weird in that picture. Like a fruit cookie with raisins for eyes.
"Hawkins (most of his work has been disproved already)" that is simply a lie. Is this a part of your religion – lying straight into face on things that can be easily verified?
I know why so many atheists come out to chime in on the internet. They are vastly outnumbered everywhere else and this gives them a safe place to vent and rant. Here, they can make their "I'm smarter than you!" and hyper-offensive comments without the fear of getting beat up or shot.
One thing I do notice, though: they love to slam Christianity, but they don't make the same kind of offensive comments about Islam. Go ahead, you internet tough guys, start in on Islam the same way. Be just as offensive as you are against Christianity. And don't limit it to online. Be public about it. See what happens.
Fred, I'm an atheist and I have no problem slamming any and all religions who try to infringe on my civil rights. The problem is that no Muslims are here in the US trying to pass laws based on their religion. Christians are and do. That's why, and the only reason why, they'll ever hear anything "offensive" from me. And all I ever say is, look, you have every personal right in this country to practice your religion. Why can't you do that, live your life as you see fit, and keep your beliefs out of the laws that govern all of us. I pay taxes. I'm a veteran. Shouldn't I have rights that aren't based on and colored by your spiritual beliefs? Shouldn't I have the right to be a Jew or a Muslim or a Buddhist or Wiccan or whatever I want? Or is citizenship not enough. It seems that Christians want a requirement for living in this country to be that we all become Christian Americans. Well, sorry, but, that doesn't fly. And I'll be offensive to anyone of any religion who wants to impose via law their personal views on me.
Creationism is just junk science. Junk science has been around forever and usually involves some sort of anecdotal evidence to prove it's correct. Pills that make you loose weight without exercise, cancer treatments for terminally ill patients, etc.. All these things help to give people hope and possibly inspire people to take action but most of the time junk science is created to sell products and deceive people.
But the religious right has taken junk science to a new level. They have erected schools to teach it and award students with PhDs in junk science. Then they parade these junk science scholars on TV as "experts" and people without sufficient education believe this crap. Just like they believe you can loose weight without exercising. This is not by accident. It's a well thought out plan to make junk science compete with real science in the political spectrum. It's a last ditch, but effective, effort from a dying organization.
In 200 years, organized religion will probably be a thing of the past. I won't be around but I hope that all people will celebrate that day. Too many lives have been lost in the name of organized religion. Why can't we just focus on being humans in this great society and help to build and lasting and sustainable human society together instead of fighting about how it was created. The facts are in, creationism is junk science.
You lost me when you proved that you don't know the difference between "lose" and "loose."
You know, Voltaire predicted the end of religion and after his death his house was used as
a place to print and distribute Bibles.
Just thought you should know...