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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

soundoff (5,973 Responses)
  1. Ponchos raincoat

    You live, learn a few things, work, have some good times and bad, then you die. Very simple. Live in the now because that's all there is.

    August 31, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • klm

      Amen

      September 1, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Ri

      Man, that's a sad way to "live" – look into how you can have more!

      September 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Jeff Williams

      """look into how you can have more!"""

      Promises, promises......

      September 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Ayn Rand

      @Ri. You want more bad times?

      September 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Andyg

      so why teach kids anything? If you use logic- we should kill all kids to avoid pain- if pain aversion is the purpose of our existence- but first, kill yourself. I dont say that to be mean, but that would really help with the process you are describing

      September 1, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  2. realbuckyball

    The fact is, if any of these creatards, or any of their families were accused of a crime, and could be exonerated by the use of DNA, they would use that defense. They DO believe in evolution. They are just too stupid to get why that is the case.

    August 31, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • niknak

      That is a great observation.
      The say they don't believe in DNA testing, but they will use it to send people to death row, or as you say, use it for their advantage when it helps them.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Rebel4Christ

      Once again DNA does not I'm Amy way support evolution

      August 31, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      rebel,
      Of course it does. Why is a complete set of Neaderthal DNA in only some human populations ?

      August 31, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Rebel is nothing if not entertaining.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__a5cpn4j0&w=640&h=360]

      August 31, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • .o.

      Rebel4Christ – "Once again DNA does not I'm Amy way support evolution"

      Is he not Amy, or maybe he represents Amway and they don't support evolution . . .??

      August 31, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Rigel54

      Rebel, genetic drift in DNA is specifically used to track evolution and migration of human populations. It is used to determine the time that populations of various species have been separated (and evolving separately). It is fundamental in the study of evolution.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • horse fox fish

      Have not heard a lot of Christians saying the do not believe in DNA testing. The Bible does not say anything about it.
      As for DNA testing, ask any trained geneticist that studies DNA for the purpose of determining our ancestral tree. Even they say they are not close to being 100% sure of their findings. The picture they are unraveling is quite foggy now and they admit it. And to re-iterate, science does not create this stuff, only investigates and reports. And it is not doing too good a job of it. Compare scientific findings on DNA research of this topic 20 years ago vs today and do it again 20 years from now. You will see science seems to be changing its mind over time.

      September 1, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • grobbeist

      horse fox fish,
      Science changes its mind when the facts change. Compare that with religion, which will NEVER change its mind when the facts change. Would you trust your doctor if your symptoms change, but he still relies on an old diagnosis? Science is self-correcting; that's its strength. And with all this self-correcting, still science has not changed its position on the theory of evolution–that's how strong the science behind evolution is. It would take a lot, in several scientific disciplines (because they all support it) to simply "disprove it".

      September 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  3. realbuckyball

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v468/n7327/full/nature09710.html

    August 31, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • James

      RBB: WHY ARE THE (EXPECTED) COUNTLESS MILLIONS OF TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS MISSING?
      Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”. Other evolutionist fossil experts also admit the problem.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:01 am |
  4. WASP

    @y2k: "You probably won't see any human bones among the those of the elephants either"
    1) yeah you do find neanderthal tools with mammoth bones and weapon marks on those bones.

    "Show me your Bible or Book of Evolution and I will be able to read the citations for the comments you are making as well."
    1) we are atheist, we don't have a bible.
    2) the O.T. is the jewish torah the revised version due to comparing scripture from both books.
    3) the N.T. was the result of the cannon which emperor constantine paying priests to vote on the books to include.
    4) there are multiple books published from top named scienctists yearly, start with basic biology combined with history of the old world.

    " Can you prove that the cavemen and Prehistorical Mankind did not live among the Dynasaurs, just because no fossil evidence can be found. Who said that GOD even wanted them to be found."
    1) "cavemen" as you phrase them couldn't have exsisted with DINOSAURS (atleast spell the name correctly) due to the fact if you dig through the layers of rock you are moving back in the earth's history, you will not find human bones with dinosaurs.
    2) you have what is called the K.T. boundry, it's a line of dust from the yukitan meteor impact that contributed to the extinction of dinosaurs, you don't find any human bones anywhere near or below that area.
    3) the whole "god" thing is what is in question, so just as in court the thing in question can't be used as evidence that it is true.

    " Perhaps it missed Noah's Ark. or maybe it is in reality a rhinosteros. That has nothing at all to do with whether or not Creation should not be taught."
    1) seriously? tht is your explaination as to why there are unicorns in the bible but not in real life; it missed the ark leaving "honey i told you it was a right at aberkery, not a left now you made us late and doomed our children." ROFLMFAO!
    2) i will agree a unicorn may be the misidentification of another horned animal, that is possible.
    3) this has everything to do with why creation shouldn't be taught; none of this BS makes sense, without your god to fill in the blanks your hypothesis doesn't pan out it simply flops when compared to TRUE science that has been tested and retested........and retested some more. creation/ID was thrown out of court as being silly and misleading not to mention it violates seperation of church and state; if you want to confuse your children, then send them to a private catholic/christian school or home school them but when they come back at you for filling their heads with things that they will be laughed at for believeing as adults.............well we told you so. lmfao

    August 31, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Jack Sparrow

      Any without aliens comeing from climpactu evolutionists fill in the holes of their stories.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
  5. John P. Tarver

    Relativity and Quantum Mewchanics prove the notion of creationism, as genesis is a vacuum fluctuation. Nye is not very good at science at all. The Big Bang was disproven by Relativity a century ago and Evolution as a means to species was falsed by the global geological record about 40 years ago. Species occur rapidly following a mass extinction, the opposite of evolution.

    August 31, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Gadflie

      John, you are truly ignorant. First, there is nothing in quantum mechanics or relativity to support Creationism. Nor is there anything at all about the theory of relativity that goes against the Big Bang. And, the theory of evolution doesn't require something to take a long time to evolve. So, feel smarter now?

      August 31, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Doug

      John T.: Mewchanics? are you one of those cat herder christards?

      Seriously, way to go with the gross concept errors. Better leave the eigenvectors to the adults.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Jill

      John P. Tarver, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

      Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Mewchanics are those guys that work on Jaguars. They make an awful lot of money, because those things are always in the shop.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • wd40fan

      John P. Tarver = Dummy

      September 1, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • John the tea-tarder is a dummy

      @ John P.(tea-tarder)......take your pill....your stupid is showing.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • skeptik0

      I knew that if I kept reading the comments some ignoramus would mention quantum theory sooner or later.

      September 4, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  6. collectivedementia

    Think of DNA as similar to Legos or an Erector Set.Many different things can be built using the same pieces,just arranged in different ways.Some surprisingly simple, others mind numbing in their complexity. Then think of God as the four year old child playing with the new toy.

    August 31, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • John P. Tarver

      Even more interesting is the human genome project proving Dog is Man's closest genome relative. Changing just a little bit of the code produces a completely different animal.

      August 31, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Gadflie

      John, where do you get this claptrap? I'm afraid that the voices in your head aren't a valid source.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • .o.

      Gadflie asked – "John, where do you get this claptrap?"

      i'm pretty sure he ah, you know, heard it from his cousin Anthony –Anthony Crispino. Yeah that's it.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Either John is a troll or a complete idiot.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Do they have to be mutually exclusive?

      August 31, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • Ayn Rand

      @JPT.
      That dark, incoherent passion within you, which you take as the voice of god is nothing more than the corpse of your mind.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
  7. Denise

    Why do all the televangelists have such plasticky slicked hair? They look like seedy used car salesmen.

    (Apologies to sincere car salesmen everywhere. )

    August 31, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • chris hitchens

      why do atheists have such thick skulls. apologies to knuckle dragging trogladites everywhere

      August 31, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your mother forgives you, chrissie.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Why does a lame troll have to take the name of a dead atheist? Do you think atheists actually find that offensive? Silly yes. Offensive, no.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • .o.

      That slick hair is to old people what fly paper is to flies.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Silly, yes. Stupid and unoriginal? Decidedly.

      Not surprising, though.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @not chris h

      does Ray Comfort still obsess over the 'designer's' love of phallic fruit?

      August 31, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • msadr

      LOL! You mean, like Obama and Romney?

      August 31, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • John the tea-tarder is a dummy

      @chris hutchins.......the REAL Christopher Hitchens' brain still functions better than yours(even though he is gone)!

      September 1, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Beez

      They are seedy used car salesmen.

      September 6, 2012 at 1:44 am |
  8. fernace

    Last night a friend, who is a creationist, told me that Eve was the Mother of all races! 1 day she'd have a Black baby & another an Aisian baby! I didn't want to laugh; she really believes this, but it is a humorous theory! While I do believe in a universal spirit & a spirit world, because I've experienced incidents that can't be explained w/logic & reason! It's like "what the heck was that!?" & I know many others on this blog who have experienced the same, even atheists! Still, I can't understand how fanatically religious people insist in intruding their take on the universe in a governmental fashion! Why? Is church not enough of a pulpit to dicuss your beliefs? Should every religions "creation idea" be included in school curriculums!? You know, they are pretty similar if you read Popol Vue the Mayan creation story, or The Epic of Gilgamesh, or the Iliad, for that matter! There are flood stories, creation of "mud people" who don't live up to the Creators expectations! So why just the Bible!?

    August 31, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • ChristardMingle.com

      @fernace

      "that can't be explained w/logic & reason"

      If it can't be explained with logic and reason, it does not exist.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Just because you are not aware of an explanation, (yet), does not mean there is not one, or will be one.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Godsaid_LetThereBeArguments

      "Last night a friend, who is a creationist, told me that Eve was the Mother of all races! 1 day she'd have a Black baby & another an Aisian baby! I didn't want to laugh; she really believes this, but it is a humorous theory!"

      This could very well be right. It however requires more than 1 Adam, and I don't think that's part of the acceptable Adam and Eve story.

      September 21, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Rob

      I've been a Christian for over 40 years and have NEVER heard that one. Please don't think she speaks for all of us.

      September 27, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
  9. And Now, Some Hard-Hitting Rebuttals To Bill Nye, Burn-In-Hell Guy!

    This first one will be quite a handful for Hour Of Power:

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A&w=640&h=360]

    And next, another food product that clearly proves the Mye Lie wrong . . . if your name is Gump:

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504&w=640&h=360]

    August 31, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Hour of Power

      These are very interesting counter points to evolution. It should come as no surprise that some would come to the logical conclusion that a banana is a perfict fit for both hand and mouth. Pair that with peanut butter and I think we can all learn a lesson about the pleasures of the natural world.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Leave a Reply to And Now, Some hard-hitting Rebuttals to Bill Nye, Burn-In-Hell Guy !

      LOL...What a putz this guy is with the banana ! Even Kirk (I'm a fundie to the core) Cameron is trying to keep from laughing, or going "o.k... even this guy is too nuts for me."

      Peace...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • Tree

      Thanks Banana guy- proof we evolved from monkeys.

      August 31, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Do you suppose Ray Comfort has seen all those YouTube videos about how it's actually easier to open an banana by squeezing the other end – the end without the 'pull tab provided by the designer'?

      August 31, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Denise

      Why do all the televangelists have such plasticky slicked hair? They look like seedy used car salesmen.

      (Apologies to sincere car salesmen.)

      August 31, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Boing

      Ah bananas, once ya skin 'em and throw away the bone, there's nothin' left.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • Cedar rapids

      you are trolling with the banana video right? i mean natural bananas dont look anything like that one he is holding. The one he is holding is a result of man's natural selection of bredding of the wild banana to end up with that final product. If anything its more a proof for evolution than creationism.

      September 1, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • hikertom

      What scientist ever claimed that life originated in a jar of peanut butter?

      September 1, 2012 at 11:59 am |
  10. HeavenSent

    @Spencer

    What's your point small god savior? I expect foolish thinking from an atheist. You atheists steal my handle to post your evil will. Both of my children were born on a pool table. Another Pharisees jealous that Jesus is God and not them.

    Amen.

    Amen.

    August 31, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Spencer

      where did I say anything about atheism or religion?

      I'm pointing out logical fallacies.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @HeavenSent

      " Both of my children were born on a pool table."

      LOL ! 😀

      Peace...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Boing

      " Both of my children were born on a pool table."

      'I guess that would explain the drop off in play.' Moe Sizlac

      August 31, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
  11. PsiCop

    How dare that insolent Bill Nye fellow presume to say that God's Holy Word is wrong! Why, it's intolerable! We just can't permit this. NO ONE should be permitted ever to critique our beliefs! They're above reproach and only a profane, Satan-loving creature would dare say otherwise! We DEMAND never to be told that we're wrong! It should be OUTLAWED!!!

    ... at least, that's what it sounds like the AiG folks are saying.

    I suggest they try growing up, for once in their lives, and stop ordering other people around. It's a free country and Bill Nye can say what he wants. And if AiG doesn't like it ... well, too bad for them.

    August 31, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Hour of Power

      PsiCop, it is painful for me to see all of the anger you have, but we are all blessed with an inner eye. Use your inate power to find patience and love for those you cannot understand. Once you have grabbed that hard pulsing truth you can enjoy the sensation it provides.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
      • PsiCop

        What anger? I'm not angry. I'm laughing at people who are actually incensed that there are people in the world who disagree with them. It's such a hilariously childish way of thinking that I simply can't help but be amused by it. If you don't find AiG's immaturity absurd, then I can't help you. If it makes you feel better to think I'm "angry," then go ahead, knock yourself out, but you'll still be wrong about me.

        September 1, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • sam

      LOL to both of you.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  12. HeavenSent

    @you atheists

    Statistics prove that the more devout someone is, the higher IQ they have. Read the Bible. It is 100 percent accurate in every facet. I keep my feces in garbage bags because I can't find my bathroom. It makes me smile to know that you people will be tortured in hell for eternity like my bosses who taught me.

    Amen.

    August 31, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Spencer

      Ha! you said statistics prove something!...

      FYI, statistics can tell you trends, they can tell you odds, & other bits of info.... but they can never tell you facts.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Fake HS, cite your sources.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Dennis the Menace

      Mr. Wilson said this...

      "I'll live like a Christian and teach my kids creation. Bill Nye thinks that someone who believes that we are created by God and having a purpose is a baby. But with 100's of millions of Christians, Bill needs to watch what he says."

      I just love it when a so-called disciple of the "Prince of Peace" makes veiled threats. Your hypocrisy knowes no bounds.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      tommie tom, *cough* scotty, I don't need proof to prove my facts are factual. You go on believing in the lies of the talmud. You have eyes but you cannot hear.

      Amen.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • Spencer

      HeavenSent "I don't need proof to prove my facts are factual."

      Actually yes you do. That's how facts work after all, otherwise they would not be facts.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Creationists are either retarded or REALLY deluded.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Fake HS,
      we are truly deep in the rabbit hole, or thorugh the looking glass. Take your pick.

      Imperious Prima flashes forth
      Her Edict "to begin it":
      In gentler terms Secunda hopes
      "There will be nonsense in it!"
      While Tertia interrupts the tale
      Not more than once a minute.

      "... Visit either you like: they're both mad."
      “But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice
      remarked.
      "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all
      mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
      "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
      "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't
      have come here.”

      August 31, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Fake HS

      Indeed gop, indeed.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • The Dude

      You keep your feces in garbage bags because you can't find your bathroom? With that statement, you have nullified ANY argument you can make!

      September 1, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Blogokvetsch

      @HS. You may be correct that those who read the bible are more intelligent than those that don't read at all. At least they can read. However, if you want to throw around statistics, here's one for you: Atheists have a better knowledge and understanding of the bible than the so-called religious community. This has been surveyed and published.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • John the tea-tarder is a dummy

      I have read many articles that state the exact opposite!! Believers have a much lower I.Q......proven by the fact that most scientists, who are mostly non-believers, have the higher I.Q.s..... It does not take much intelligence to be a sheep!

      September 1, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Davin

      I have to leave now, my tummy is hurting from laughing so hard. Bill Nye for president!

      September 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Ramsden

      Uh, 70% of statistics are made up on the spot to prove something that the presenter doesn't know enough about to prove without false statistics... Go Jeebus!

      September 4, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  13. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat, pale, weak, and sedentary.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Prayer makes me wash the neighbor's car.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I wish you were my neighbor. My car's a mess.

      August 31, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • pugh7755

      And NOT praying, makes you spout foolish, non-intelligent garbage as you have done so here. You need to pray for intelligence at least above a three year old level.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  14. Just call me Lucifer

    Heaven Sent says..

    "You atheists think that proof makes everything alright. I don't need facts to confirm my beliefs. It is time for you to start your walk with Jesus if you want to enjoy eternity without reason."

    Prayer, indeed makes you an idiot. Proven.

    Amen.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @Just call me Lucifer

      The only thing proven is that you follow the lies of your father satan, who is the devil. You insist on your lies having wings to fly but you are still a pigeon. My camel-toe claimed the lives of two more of my cats. The entire MO behind the atheist is to throw out as many lies and see what sticks.

      Amen.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @HeavenSent

      " My camel-toe claimed the lives of two more of my cats. "

      LOL ! 😀

      Peace...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • sam

      The HS imposter is easy to miss unless you look for that zinger in the middle every time...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  15. Religion is not healthy for children and all living things

    Prayer makes you stupid. Proven.
    See any post by Heaven Sent.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • nope

      @religion...
      nope

      August 31, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      nope is proof that prayer makes one stupid. If he were any dumber, we'd have to water him.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • nope

      @ tom tom,...
      nope

      August 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • nope

      @nope

      nope

      August 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oops, my bad. Nope is one of the very few that survived from the litter.

      Darwin wasn't always right.

      August 31, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
  16. niknak

    Keep it up fundies and don't back down now!
    In fact, do your gop "double down" and totally take your kids down the creationist dead end.
    Home school them too, because god of course will give them everything they will need to compete for those good jobs.
    Plus, the scammers who prey on your prayers will need someone to keep giving them money once you get old and die off.
    I think your kids are perfect for that job.
    It must give you that warm and fuzzy feeling to know you are raising another sheep in the long line of sheep that is your family tree.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
  17. realbuckyball

    Utter crap rebuttal to Nye.
    00.06-01:00.... Argumentum ad Populum
    01:00-01:12 Lie. Mechanism is known. Mutation. (Lie exhibits bad faith, purposeful attempt at deception.)
    01:14-01:40 Usual misrepresentation. Not the Another lie, more bad faith exhibited. Does not understand random selection. Random selection, is not "purposeless change". He knows that. He knows he is lying. refuted countless times before. Countless refutations on YouTube.
    1:50-02:23 There is no such formal division in science. She made it up. There is ONLY evidence.
    The Judean priests who assembled Genesis, from known sources, (and even in the Bible were not created yet), did not observe the origins.
    02:27 Claim is a lie, and she knows it. More bad faith demonstrated.
    02:40 Lie. He knows it. Not supported. Claim with no evidence.
    3:00 Irrelevant.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • niknak

      I could have wrote their rebuttal for them.
      Blah blah blah, god, blah blah blah, god, blah blah blah, god etc.
      When you base your world view on a 2000 year old fairy tale, blah is all you have.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Buckminster Fullerene

      Well done, my friend !

      Peace...

      August 31, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Hey peacey ! What's up ?

      August 31, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Realbuckyball should add one more fallacy:

      Atheist statement: "There is no God" – argument from ignorance.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      b4, you are beyond silly. It's not an argument from ignorance. It's an argument based on reality and evidence.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • nope

      @b4bigbang

      nope

      August 31, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Rope a dope the nope.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Bucky

      Pretty good, bro... how's 'bout you ?

      BTW– I tried sending an email to your beliefblog @ hotmail address to connect... never heard back.

      Should I re-send again ? If so, let me know the right address.

      Peace...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

      Atheism statement that there is no God – fallacy

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

      August 31, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • nope

      @b4bigbang

      nope.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @b4bigbang

      I don't know how many times this needs to be pointed out. Atheism is not the automatic assertion that there is no god.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      No Peacey, I forgot. I will get it

      @B4- the- big- bang- with -meaningless- name- as- there- was- no- spacetime- before- the- Big Bang

      God does not exist. The concept is meaningless.
      It presumes the structure of existence/non-existence is already in place. One cannot be the creator of a system which is necessary for itself.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Wikipedia, b4? Really?

      What a disappointment you are.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      If god is eternal, who created the concept of eternal ?
      If god is omnipotent, where did omnipotence come from ?
      If god is omniscent, where did that come from /

      August 31, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Bucky

      O.K... Yeah, check your cnnbeliefblog@hotmail address as I sent a message (which you will undoubtedly know it's me) a few weeks ago. Looking forward to hearing back.

      BTW– just got a message yesterday on my blog from... @Sum Dude

      Great to hear from him.

      Peace...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      realbuckyball

      No Peacey, I forgot. I will get it

      @B4- the- big- bang- with -meaningless- name- as- there- was- no- spacetime- before- the- Big Bang

      God does not exist. The concept is meaningless.
      It presumes the structure of existence/non-existence is already in place. One cannot be the creator of a system which is necessary for itself.

      Your argument is flawed bucky. Especially your conclusion : "One cannot be the creator of a system which is necessary for itself."
      God needs no "system" of any type.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Sorry. It's not an argument from ignorance.
      1. I did not make a positive claim.
      2. I say "show me the evidence"
      THAT is not an argument from ignorance.
      If THAT is your standard, then you will have to say that the lack of evidence of a 1957 Chevy orbiting Pluto, also is that fallacy.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And your evidence for this conclusion is what, b4? The bible?

      Circular reasoning. The last refuge of the dim.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Awwww b4big wants to ignore my response to his assertion on the atheist position he parroted from apologists.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Existence/nonexistence IS a system. How does god not need that system ? If your god exists, it needs that system.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      b4, you really should attend to the posts bucky and HG have made. They're far better educated than you are and have presented far better arguments than you have.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      b4,
      great....you forgot to explain why and how. You cannot just assert something with no explanation.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Actually it's not exactly a "system". But it IS a "structure", (of opposites), positive/negative.
      God would have to be only part of that structure, and NOT a part of the opposite. THAT is not infinite, and is limiting.
      God cannot be limited.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      sumdude taught me 😈 !!!

      August 31, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oops, my bad. Nope is one of the very few that survived from the litter.

      Darwin wasn't always right.

      August 31, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions about prayer and atheism are unfounded. I notice that you continue to repeat unfounded ideas and falsehoods. Would you like me to recommend a book on Alzheimer's? It may help with this problem.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi prayer-bot.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Where's @TROLL ALERT?

      I remember someone using the handle "Zuzu's teacher" some time back – that and something @TROLL ALERT posted made me think of this response to the prayer-bot:

      Zuzu's teacher says: every time you feed the troll, a puppy gets run over

      August 31, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • TROLL ALERT

      @gop

      Sorry I'm late, I was busy posting singes next to bridges. But I see you have every thing under control here. Carry on.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • Religion is not healthy for children and all living things

      Prayer makes you stupid.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven

      August 31, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • TROLL ALERT

      Stubborn little sh!t aren't you. But as GOP said; if you feed it, its god will make sure a puppy gets run over.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • just sayin

      I am praying for the timely return of my pants. I know it will happen. God bless

      August 31, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm sure your god will answer your prayers. The question is will he make sure your pants are clean and free of excrement?

      August 31, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Mike Wilson

      I'll live like a Christian and teach my kids creation. Bill Nye thinks that someone who believes that we are created by God and having a purpose is a baby. But with 100's of millions of Christians, Bill needs to watch what he says.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • sam

      Mike...you idiot. There was nothing in your post that didn't scream 'idiot'. Maybe you should watch what you say.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • nope

      @Mike

      nope

      August 31, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Mike's kids are going to be working at McDonald's.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Prayer Changes Things

      Its true... prayer turns rational people into weak-willed sheep that believe in fairy tales. Good luck with that you psycho-zealots.

      August 31, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      Prayer will also make Romney President. Romney / Ryan 2012 To theocracy and beyond

      August 31, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ronnie can't have kids. He can't figure out how to fit the round peg into the round hole.

      August 31, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • nope

      @tom tom,
      nope

      August 31, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oops, my bad. Nope is one of the very defective few that survived from the litter.

      Darwin wasn't always right.

      August 31, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • chris hitchens

      Tom tom gets its science from bill nye and its news from pee wee herman. it doesn't have to think or take its thumb out of its mouth to change channels

      August 31, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
  19. ChristardMingle.com

    Why are Christians so dumb?

    In a liberated society, freedom of conscience facilitates the progression of civilization. A purport of the notion of freedom of mind, Science provides an analytical method for our mere human minds to come to grasp with that which is the beauty of the infinitesimal universe around us. That is, until ignorant folks attempt to squash, main, and silence the voice of reason.

    Take the South, where ignorance is the fashion of the day and any droplet of intellectual curiosity is squandered by the religious right. Free thinkers are herded by the sheep of the masses into conforming to the norm. From a young age children are taught not to question authority, not to question morality, not to question the essence of life. Scientific methods are obfuscated in favor of Creationist dribble.

    It is not unusual for a “teacher” in the South and Midwest to be incessant that evolution is wrong and to try to prove to students that the geological record supports the theory of a great flood while abridging the great 4,600,000,000 year span of geological time into a mere 6000. Religion seeps into the classroom to perverse the minds of the student body. Christianity is a moral puppet and anyone who had a different world view was ostracized. Furthermore, many children can't grasp the basic fundamentals of modern science that allow us to live in such a technologically progressive society. How are they to be imparted upon lessons of logic and analytical reasoning when they believe in the fairy tale of god?

    It is a very sad state of affairs, but atheists must keep up the fight!

    August 31, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You atheists think that proof makes everything alright. I don't need facts to confirm my beliefs. It is time for you to start your walk with Jesus if you want to enjoy eternity without reason.

      Amen.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Spencer

      @HeavenSent: you don't at all see the break in logic with that statement? Your appear to be saying that although A+B=C and is supported by evidence that you were taught that A+B=cuisinart. And therefore no matter what amount of evidence showing that A+B=C is found, to you A+B will always equal cuisinart.

      And this is why we can't have nice things.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • niknak

      Again Heavensent, prove that there is some judgement day comming.
      Of course you don't need facts to keep your fairy tale alive.
      In fact, I am sure you will keep going on beleiving regardless of how much science smashes your magic man cult.
      And I am quite sure you will keep right on taking advantage of all that science has invented/developed to make your life easier and to heal you and your family when they become ill.
      We just ask you one thing;
      Stop pushing your non-sense on the rest of us.
      You can howl at the moon all you like, but stop trying to force us to howl along with you.

      August 31, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'HeavenSent' concludes with a form of the flawed argument known as Pascal's Wager.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      August 31, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • msadr

      Why are Christians so dumb? I don't know. But why are Atheists so Arrogant? You think you know everything. You think you even CAN know everything. You are ridiculous. At least the Christians and other religious folks admit that they can never hope to understand how life came to be as it is. They rely on ancient wisdom. You actually are so arrogant that you think can figure it out. You are ridiculous. Get over yourself and admit that you just don't know and perhaps there really is an intelligent being who set it all in motion.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • PopeurbanII

      Agreed. Knowledge is for fools. Bring on the dark ages!

      August 31, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • Andyg

      Wow- those are alot of strong stereotypes. Usually people who stereotype people tend to be fairly ignorant. Its ok that you dont believe in god. Einstein believed in God. The creators of Universities, Hospitals, and so forth believed in God. Why is it that you feel such a strong need to destroy the beliefs of others? Why are you so threatened by something you dont even believe in. I would suppose the reason is that at the end of the day Atheists really dont have anything else to talk about and so you spend your days with your panties in a wad worrying about the beliefs of others- ripping down others does not make you right. Are you smarter than Einstein? Was he an ignorant fool (per your observations)? Why are you so angry? And why do you specifically target Christian relligion? My sense is that your Atheism is not as much a retort against a creator, but a war on Christians. So there wrong, but does that mean that you are right? Do you KNOW that for sure? Is there anything that you do not know? If so- spend your time discovering truth rather than dedicating your heart to destroying others.

      September 1, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
  20. HeavenSense

    I am praying to god that the scarecrow gets a brain.

    August 31, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I could understand a theory,
      Of humans growin’ clearly,
      Without the mark of Cain.
      With the species all evolvin’
      And the planets all revolvin’
      If I only had a brain.

      OK, whose next ...

      August 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • sam

      ::applauds::

      August 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • 2011 Eyes

      msadr-you are- common sense- right. Stupid is the person that thinks they know it ALL.
      Atheist are wasting their time being angry at people who believe in a higher power: G O D.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @HeavenSense, thanks for the insipiration, here's the whole song.

      Scarecrow:
      Why, If I had a brain, I could …
      (singing)

      I could understand a theory,
      Of humans growin’ clearly,
      Without the mark of Cain.
      With the species all evolvin’
      And the planets all revolvin’,
      If I only had a brain

      I’d forget about ‘creation’
      And God over the nation,
      And flush them down the drain,

      Dorothy:
      With an intellect so charmin’,
      You could be another Darwin,
      If you only had a brain.

      Scarecrow:
      Oh I, could tell you how, primates evolve to men.
      I could tell you how the earth began and when,
      In thousand years, it’s more than ten!

      I would be an unbeliever,
      No “God I’m scared to see yer
      Eternity in pain”
      With some science & some reason,
      I don’t really think it’s treason,
      If you use your fricking brain.

      Music and original lyrics here:
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs&w=640&h=360]

      September 2, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
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