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 "The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET
Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own videoBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host. "Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.
Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories "At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God." Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible. The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom. "[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past." For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom. In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state. A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world. Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old. "The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video. Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years. "Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?" Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years. The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God. |
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quote from creation002's post:
"yes i do have an argument the word of god is true its all happening everyday just like it says and the sighns of the end are all here and for all non believers this is for them john 8 47 he who belongs to god hears what god says the reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to god it is the spirit of god that chooses people if you are not choosen words sighns or miracles will do nothing for you
this is why non believers will not ever believe in god there simply not choosen and the bible prophecies are being fullfilled and eternity awaits all heaven or hell everyone will see after death its only a matter of time"
Then why waste time to convince others of your belief since your premise states that the non-believers are not chosen and have to be chosen by god to accept god?
I can tell you one thing... YOU will not be chosen as the winner of a grammar contest. Perhaps, yes, you should pray to god for the miracle of literacy and non-linear thinking.
why waste time cause anyone can still believe and get choosen by god all they have to do is turn to him and everybody in the world can do it well im out for the night i got a life and must leave now i wont be replying no more tonight the bible prophecies will be fullfilled and god will come ive seen the afterlife my self its nothing new and there is a god its just sad how many wont believe the bible tells us most wont believe in the end days its there loss i guess when eternity comes well see goodnight and god bless all
Cretinism 02 just gave a 5 line run-on sentence. Oh man.
Riddle me this Cretinists. If gawdis omnipotent, why did it take him/her/it 6 days to create the universe? A real omnipotentate would only have to think of it, and it would be done.
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AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC/CREATION CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD
Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)
"Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."
Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;
Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).
Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does Obam and his family) (And Biden) (And Ryan)
The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.
Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
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P.S. You are bound for Hell.
Correction: The Earth is dated to be 4.5 billion years old. The universe is thought to be 13.7 billion years old.
The universe has an age?
Does that mean it had a beginning?
So where did the universe originate from Einstein?
@Chad,
really, and here was TTTPS saying something nice about you and everything.
Now this again?
Excellent question, candidate answers appear to be:
1) The God of Abraham
2) Nothing
3) We dont want to talk about it...
@Chad,
I'll let you guess my answer.
And what was before universe ?
Or, Chad, you could try honestly at some point. We don't know where the singularity "came from" or if it even operates under the laws we observe in this universe and needed to "come from" somewhere. But no, NOBODY is saying that the singularity came from "nothing." Quit lying; it makes little baby jesus cry when you do.
Chad you know the universe's beginning is not defined because of the initial singularity. The age of the universe is estimated from a time when clocks started working.
@Chad,
you left one off:
4) It was touched by the noodly appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Chad is the king of false dichotomies. "Waaaaahhhhh, it's my god or nothing!! It just couldnt' be some other god or process or artifact or something nobody can understand!!!! WAaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!! It's the god of Abraham or nothing!!! Waaaahhhhh!!!'
@namethename "And what was before universe ?"
@Chad "candidate answers appear to be:
1) The God of Abraham
2) There was nothing before the universe, time came into existence at the singularity so there is no before, so... there, we dont have to talk about it.
3) Nothing, we came from nothing by nothing
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@Moby Schtick "Or, Chad, you could try honestly at some point. We don't know where the singularity "came from" or"....."
@Chad "right.. I got that one already. see #3
3) We dont want to talk about it...
@Darwinian "Chad you know the universe's beginning is not defined because of the initial singularity. The age of the universe is estimated from a time when clocks started working"
=>right, I got that one already, see
2) There was nothing before the universe, time came into existence at the singularity so there is no before, so... there, we dont have to talk about it.
4) Nobody knows. Let's talk about it.
@TTTOO,
but no, that's 5), right after 4) the F.S.M*
* May you be touched by his noodly appendage. He was boiled for our sins. Though the forces of the unfed hurl every kind of abuse and insult at us, we shall not fail for His starchy goodness is our shield and his full bodied sauce is our comfort.
R'amen
No, you dipsh!t. It's called honesty. We'd LOVE to talk about it but we don't know. Would you prefer that we lie, and claim to believe something with ZERO facts in order to talk about it so that we're all talking about something that doesn't matter at all because there's nothing to be gained because it's just beliefs that can't be backed up by any measurable data or equations?
No, fvckwad, it's called honesty. Try it sometime. We don't know. It's a mystery. We'd like to know. But we don't. The singularity expanded. If we knew more than that, we'd be testing and trying and talking about it, but we don't. Keep believing in your stupid magic wizard that did it by chanting magic spellz, Chad. That's more your speed, I'm sure.
@Moby Schtick " @#@#@#%@#KDG$(($@"
@Chad "right, I got that one.. #3
3) We dont want to talk about it...
@Chad
How would you suggest we talk about something that we don't know? You want us to lie, I suppose? Ok, let's go. We don't know where the singuarity came from or why it began expanding. Go..
I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV-
Absolutely right. It's a little known fact that noodles arose independently in every culture's cuisine. Chad, what do you make of that?
@Moby Schtick "How would you suggest we talk about something that we don't know? You want us to lie, I suppose? Ok, let's go. We don't know where the singuarity came from or why it began expanding. "
@Chad "well, if it didnt come from nothing, it came "from" an external agent.
Candidates for external agent:
1) God of Abraham
2) FSM
3) We dont want to talk about it..
Chad-type-Creationsists have only three options when it comes to the question of why there's eight planets instead of fourteen:
1. Flying Spaghetti Monster
2. Nothing
3. I don't want to talk about it.
Well, it's either one of those three or honesty: We don't know. But I would never claim that you'd pick honesty, Chad. I mean, if we don't know something--– LET'S MAKE SOMETHING UP!!!! YAY!!!!
Seriously, Chad – Why do you focus on the God of Abraham? I know it's a literary reference, so it does define God to some extent. But why that one in particular?
The God of Abraham is the real one.
Why bother with fake ones?
So you know that the God of Abraham is the real one. How did you come by this?
Candidates for external agent:
1) God of Abraham
2) FSM
3) We dont want to talk about it..
@Chad,
you never guessed my choice.
@Chad
What's wrong with you? Mysteries are interesting. We'd LOVE to talk about what caused the singularity, but we don't know. So, being honest, we admit that we don't know. We're not dishonest, and make sh!t up, like god believers, so we're honest, and admit that we don't know.
Do you know what color my eyes are? If someone asked you would you say that you don't know, or would you make something up? Seriously, buy a clue, here, Chad. We don't know. Why shouldn't we be honest? Why should we lie just to make you and others happy?
Candidates for MobySchticks eye color:
1) Amber
2) Blue
3) Brown
4) Gray
5) Green
6) Hazel
7) Red and violet
Candidates for external agent:
1) God of Abraham
2) FSM
3) We dont want to talk about it..
@Chad,
You still never guessed.
It was 3).
Good night and enjoy your long weekend.
@Chad
When a person doesn't know something they have two options:
1. lie
2. be honest and say, "I don't know."
When it comes to the "cause" of the singularity, I prefer to be honest as does science. Feel free to continue to lie and claim that the answer has to be one of the options you put forth without a single shred of evidence that it's one of those options. Do carry on making a complete idiot of yourself on this blog. Thanks for playing.
Actually, I think the smart thing to do is investigate each of the 3 options..
correction the observable universe is 14.5 billions light years away as to how large or big it is no body knows. but question for you, if the universe is expanding on what is it expanding on?
@Elena "question for you, if the universe is expanding on what is it expanding on?"
@Chad "the same thing it was created out of, nothing (as in the absence of everything)
There's a hidden cost to creationism, too. How many bright kids could grow up to find the next antibiotic or the next public health discovery–except that their ability to think scientifically has been crippled by creationist parents and ignorant preachers?
Most significant discoveries were made by Creationists. Read your science book.
uh, You CAN believe in God AND evolution you know.
@T
You are obviously an uninformed idiot. No medicine will cure YOUR stupidity. You are to be pitied!
Absolutely true TommyTT. And disregard "James" and "Nope!" which are same troll.
Rebutting science with religion is like rebutting math with ice cream.
LOL!!! I think it's hilarious when evolution deniers describe how evolution just couldn't be true because of "a bunch of stupid sh!t that has nothing to do with evolution whatsoever but my pastor said it one time and I misheard it so I'm going to act like I know what the fvck I'm talking about while I mock evolution."
Well played, Syd!
My icecream cone melted on my math homework.
And therein lies the problem – they think creationism is science and would be willing to say ice cream is math if their religious leaders told them to do so.
Right on!
"""Rebutting science with religion is like rebutting math with ice cream."""
I'll have some pi with that.
Why do creationists want creationism taught in schools, but if a scientist insisted on going from church to church teaching evolution, the outcry out be thunderous. It's plain and simple – conservative christians are bullies. Maybe one day they will stop bullying the rest of us and just leave us alone. By the way, I am a moderate Christian, so this is not targeted to all Christians, just the Christian extremists.
i agree david i am christian to i dont force my self but i can say this if someone post on how they think and not expect to hear what others say they are mistaking god is good as his true word continues to happen and we live in the last days if believers post me i say this verse
john 8 47 he who belongs to god hears what god says the reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to god it is the spirit of god that chooses people if you are not choosen words sighns or miracles will do nothing for you
"The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution'
Yet again, the media tries to tie evolution to religion.. The world is not black and white. Believing in evolution does not make you an atheist.
Exactly. Why Deity has to be limited to human concepts of time and duration is beyond me. Furthermore, which is more amazing: 7 days and *poof*, or 15 billion years after a gigantic *BANG*? lol – I go with the *BANG*.
@imnotfly
Yes, the actual Gallup survey answer said nothing about "atheism". It was:
"Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process."
It says nothing about a disbelief in God – just that he didn't have his hands on the steering wheel, which incidentally is why the percentage is 15% and not 5%. (Sad but true.) Respondants to that question could still believe in God initiating life or the big bang.
Far too many self-styled christians attempt to place their human limits on god, based on a translation of a translation of a translation many times removed. If there is a god, which I sincerely doubt, she is certainly not constrained in her works by the limits of human understanding.
The earth is locally flat (well, considered as the surface of a spheroid it is). The important thing is to make your neighborhood as small as you can and never stray from your neighborhood. Then it will seem pretty flat if that's what you need.
"Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"
LOL, he had an eye witness to creation now? As a child I was taught creationism, I found it hard to wrap my mind around. Even as a child it sounded fishy to me. I then, still as a child, hear about evolution and it all made sense, then I understood! This was all as a child!
When I saw "the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God," I started laughing. The word "eyewitness" sort of loses all meaning. Again, if someone wants to believe the earth is 10000 years old, that's fine. If someone wants to believe the moon is made of cheese, that's fine. But when you require that the "moon made of cheese" theory be taught in school (paid for by public funds), then you infringe on my rights.
Note to author – the article states, "Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth and the universe as 4.5 billion years old." That is only partially correct. Scientists believe that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and the universe is about 13.75 billion years old.
More recent numbers for the age of the universe tend to be closer to 15-16 billion years old, but thats just a quibble ^^' ...
PhDs in what? Science field? Liberal arts?
Context please.
Amazingly enough, they had actual science Ph.D.s. There are quite a few creationists in Ph.D. programs at my university as well. Talk about cognitive dissonance, huh?
I'm not.... Read the article and the context is clear.
Was this about the two people in the creationist video?
Thanks, I couldn't tell.
Occam's razor states that the least complex answer is the most likely one. (yes, that is simplified). Per that guide, god, being the most complex possible being, is the least likely answer to ANY question.
Like it!
I am a reversed creationist. I believe that Man created God.
That is a great assumption. Can I join you in believing this line of thinking?
One of these days we are all going to look back at religion as one of the residual effects of becoming more intelligent. Just like the words War and Accident will become lost words in our vocabulary.
Far more likely than that god created man. Man has created thousands of gods...none more likely than the other.
Actually, Yaron, man created gods, lots and lots of gods. Then the gods fought it out until now there are only a few gods left. When we get down to a single god, then maybe man can let go and believe in reality.
Then who provided my miracle when I prayed to God & was cured of a permanent bone fusion as I slept? I sure as heck didn't do it.
If someone believes in a God who created us all, I have not problem with that. The problem comes, however, when people try to use the Bible to date the earth as being less than 10,000 years old. It is a gross misreading of the Genesis text on many levels. The most basic is the interpretation of the word translated as "day." A better translation is a generic period of time, which can be 24 hours but is most likely considerably longer. Looked at this way, one can easily reconcile evolution and creationism.
Reconcile evolution and creationism? Why? Should we reconcile evolution and the Easter Bunny also?
@Ludwig,
believers can synthesize a belief in God with evolution (particularly if you look at Genesis allegorically), but not "Creationism". Even with arbitrary periods for the length of time of a 'day' the Genesis sequences are pretty messed up.
Not only is Chapter 1 inconsistent with science but Chapter 2 is quite inconsistent with Chapter 1. Even the bible can't get the story straight. It is quite evident that Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 are two completely different cosmology stories.
The sequences are:
Genesis Chapter 1
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– Beginning: Heavens and earth, darkness and waters
– 'Day' 1: Light! night and day
– 'Day' 2: Waters in the sky (atmosphere)
– 'Day' 3: Dry land, plants
– 'Day' 4: Sun, moon and stars
– 'Day' 5: Sea creatures, birds
– 'Day' 6: Land animals, Humans (male and female)
– 'Day' 7: Miller time
Genesis Chapter 2
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– Man
– Plants
– Animals and birds
– Woman
Science
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– Big bang (13.8BYA)
– Star ignition (sun 4.57BYA)
– Planetary accretion
– Earth (4.54BYA)
– Moon (4.53BYA)
– Bombardment
– Surface Water, toxic atmosphere
– Simple vegetation
– Oxygenated atmosphere
– Aquatic life
– Land animals
– Birds
– Mammals
I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV
How many times are you going to post that nonsense? Maybe you could find something factual and maybe some new material.
@KRHODES,
as often as is necessary my friend. Please feel free to critique it. I won't be offended.
You made your point last time about how Genesis 1 and 2 are the *same* (smirk) but my point remains that Genesis 1 is at odds with science anyway.
The original word used had two meanings: the first was "day" and the other was "eon/age". It all depended on what type of number it was used with. Further, the Bible on several occasions said that time had no meaning to God.
@gen81465
the length of time is immaterial. 24 hours, 24 million years, it doesn't matter. The order is wrong.
Plants before the sun? Really?
Creationists are idiots. No more needs to be said.
If we use the posts, here, on this thread, the theory is proved.
i think your an idiot and this post is for I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV
some reason this dumb thing dont let me reply back to you but i follow the word of god cause its accruate and happening and you say the bible changes its story and contridicts itself it does not anyone can make a contridiction of nothing theres just different times in the storyies of the bible and we are living in those last days to im not a goper nor do i play one on tv i dont know if you believe in god or are christian but i choose to follow the truth of god and in the end well see whos right the bible is the most accurate book in the whole world its gods word now i must get off and rest i cannot argue with the non believers all the time this verse is why they dont believe in god
I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on Tv
john 8 47 he who belongs to god hears what god says the reason you dont hear is that you do not belong to god it is the spirit of god that chooses people if you are not choosen words sighns miracles will do nothing for you pass this on to im not a goper nor do i play one on tv:
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@creation002,
thank you for your reply.
I'm not sure I can follow all the strange words you use, but perhaps we'll see you here again sometime.
Those were words??
Here is my only argument. Go read how the guy from answersingenesis.com answered a kid who asked the question "if stars are millions of light years away, how can the world only be 6000 years old?"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/kw/stars-far-away
This is why creationism belongs in church and nowhere near a school.
I sat through a whole trimester on evolution at the University of California, Irvine. Phyletic evolution my eye!! More holes in that THEORY than swiss cheese yet you call that science. Get a grip.
Really? Please give me evidence of a "hole" in the theory that is not either:
1) A logical falllacy
or
2) An obvious misuse of statistics
Why would a person feel a kids mind with such nonsense? Is he simply trying to suppress the youth of the country, so that his church and museum gets more subsidies? This is truly horrible because it skews reality for our children and makes them all dumb. We need to become a secular nation, if we are to lead in technology and show China who is boss. Polls show that countries that don't teach creationism have smarter children than countries that don't.
The guy didn't even answer the question fully. He explains that a Light-year is a measure of distance. However, that measure of distance is the "Time" it takes for light to travel back to the source. Therefore making his entire argument false.
Yes, that page referenced does say that the light-year is a measure of distance.
So a star that is a few hundred thousand light-years away is really far away.
OK, but why do we see that star if it took a few hundred thousand years for light to travel from that star to us?
Did God start the light traveling before the Earth was created?
Theories have holes, that's why they're called theories. That doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means we are still learning about them, and always will be.
You would need at least a college education for me to explain why this particular theory is so improbable that it requires a faith greater than Christianity to sustain it. It flies in the face of science. Do a little research my friend.
"Distant stars and galaxies might be millions of light-years away, but that doesn’t mean that it took millions of years for the light to get here, it just means it is really far away!"
Ha! What a joke. In other news, the national debt is almost 16 trillion dollars, but that doesn't mean we owe $16 trillion, it just means we owe a lot of money!
Dr. Stephen Baker – can't answer the challenge so he resorts to implying he is smarter than everyone. Nice!
the bible dont say that the earth is only 6000 years old man you guys know nothing at all 6000 years ago is just when it started keeping track of things its all happening and god is real and your eternity awaits you to and when it comes you cannot run this verse here is why youll never believe in god
john 8 47 he who belongs to god hears what god says the reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to god it is the spirit of god that chooses people if you are not choosen words sighns or miracles will do nothing for you
all non believers are decieved and reject the truth
Stephen Baker, sorry kid, I do have a degree. And, if you had an actual argument, you would present it.
Exactly! The bible doesnt say its 6000 years old! I believe in god and all that, but it's not meant to be literal!
@creation002
The whole point here is that 46% of American selected this answer in a Gallup survey:
"God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."
If that's not bible preachin' then why the heck do these people say that – it sure isn't science.
See:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx?version=print
Since SB used "improbable", this is an indication that his argument is probably the misuse of statistics one so common among Creationists that don't understand statistics.
@Stephen Baker MD
What a presumptive azzhole you are. Claim to have the answer that proves a scientific theory wrong, and then turn around and say no one can understand it? Is your MD a "Massive D!ck" degree, or what? I have three "college educations" explain it, and let's see what you've got, and keep in mind that if you can really PROVE your theory is right or the current scientific one wrong, you're headed for a Nobel. How's your peer review process going? You're going to be quite famous, soon-–if you're being honest, that is. You're not lying for Jebus, are you?
Glad you kids have a degree, good starting point. You can read a brief summary of the argument in the next post.
Gadflie:
HOW DO ‘LIVING FOSSILS’ REMAIN UNCHANGED OVER SUPPOSED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS, IF EVOLUTION HAS CHANGED WORMS INTO HUMANS IN THE SAME TIME FRAME?
Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major
evolutionary problem.”
Stephen Baker MD, have you written a scholarly peer-reviewed article published in a recognized scientific journal successfully arguing against evolution, or are you merely espousing an unsupported believer opinion, much like the whole notion there are any gods?
Remember the rules Stephen, no Logical fallacies and no misuse of statistics. This should be fun.
Ouch ouch ouch..... I just read the link. How con someone so simple-minded figure out how to use a computer? He doesn't even understand the definition of a light-year, yet he tries to use it in an "instructional" sentence?
Stephen Baker, stop dodging the question and explain why you don't think the theory of evolution is sound science.
ever notice how tolerant the evolutionistas are?
Ever notice how ignorant the creationists are? Ever notice how illiterate the creationists are? Ever notice how stupid YOU are?
Whats an "evolutionistas"?
Why should we be tolerant of people who not only refuse to believe proven facts, but do their best to convince everyone else not to believe proven facts. It's dangerous to not stand up to ignorance in our society.
Evolutionista, a Spanish "scientist" so consumed with the THEORY of evolution that she denies scientific reason.
So, how does the theory of evolution NOT fit in with reason?
Suggest you evaluate phyletic evolution and explain to me how a significantly mutated species happens to remain fertile, finds a mate with a similar mutation (also fertile) living in the same location and they reproduce that apparently better mutation in their offspring. Show me once where a major mutation is even viable much less reproducible. That is the premise of phyletic evolution which was the theory embraced by UC Irvine.
Stephen, that's it? Really? Ok, here you go. If, for example, a female has a beneficial mutation, the male does NOT have to have it. It just needs to be passed on to the offspring. Even a "MD" should be able to understand this.
And, beneficial mutation? Well, there is bacteria now that can digest Nylon byproducts. Beneficial indeed if you are living in a pool of those byproducts.
"Doctor" Baker, You must have taken poor notes in school (I hope you did better in medical school). Nowhere is there a requirement for the mutation to be "significant", nor it there a requirement for the mate to have the same mutation. Perhaps you have heard of something called a dominant gene? Perhaps you have heard of different species having fertile offspring? (wolf/coyote, or you and your human wife)
This guy clearly has no idea about evolution, he is assuming that (as Dawkins has said) if a frog and a donkey mated...we would have fronkeys.
That "MD" after your name must stand for something other than "medical doctor," you fraud.
John P. Tarver, ceremony cannot equal six goats driving. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
Thanks. I really like that !!! Here's one of mine.
Poaching the pulpit, is practically perverse, if pontifically placed. Perhaps punching pious Protestant preachers potentially prevents poaching, (and promotes praise but prevention is practically poison to pe'rv'er'ts in power, as the pulpit provides present position, as proven in the past.
Pressure from poised pastors would stop pe'eing in public pulpits, but passing the plate prevents parental participation, which could be possibly predicted,and provides parity in parking places, as well as primarily promotes prayer. The pawns in the pews part only with pennies, if the puppet in the pulpit pops pretty poisonous pills.
However if the Pope provides poor punters and powerful priests, pounding the pavement ensues.
Perhaps on Pentecost, new positions will be posted, for people to preview. However, the professed will have preference, for positions in place, as they are presumed to be the more perfect persons, for placement, and promotion. If you think you have priority cuz you're a pet'i'te professional, perhaps, ...but pray, and you might, if you practice the part. However parsimoniousness prevails, and purity does not, so personnel will have to preview, to predict, and productivity, will be paramount, with the pulpit police.
Pops is planing to Portugal, with Patty, Priscilla, and Pam, So Bucky plans to press plastic plates with his personable palls, Patrick and Paul, (partners in Pomona. whose neighbor is Ramona), and who prefer para sailing, in the Fall.
They prefer to picket the Pentagon, precisely when they practice po'pp'ing into political parties, primarily at rallies.
Pe'ering through the para scope at the Perseid's, they also pursue the pleasure of perusing the planets.
They proudly possess a pretend plantation, and are pleased to have a policy of principally planting peanuts and peas.
(They also raise poppies and pears.) However this plan provides poor pods and a paucity of produce.
When that happens they sit by the pool under the palms, and proudly eat persimmons, and pastry, (providing they're properly prepared), which is more provocative, than playing poker in the park, which is also more proper than punching a preening paranoid paparazzi.
They serve small su'p'p'ers, with several sterling silver serving spo'ons, where one can sit silent, or sing songs. It's a blast. They prefer presents in purple packages, in which one may per'iodically pu'ff po'op.
How's that for a poem ?
Fo'oey you say.
Not to wo'ow'ey.
It's my last.
To all you Creationist/ID types. Do ANY of you have any arguments in support of your pet theory that does not rely on either:
1) A logical falllacy
or
2) An obvious misuse of statistics
If so, please present it.
*chirp* *chirp*
I'm used to that response when I ask Creationists/ID types to actually support their "theory".
yes i do have an argument the word of god is true its all happening everyday just like it says and the sighns of the end are all here and for all non believers this is for them john 8 47 he who belongs to god hears what god says the reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to god it is the spirit of god that chooses people if you are not choosen words sighns or miracles will do nothing for you
this is why non believers will not ever believe in god there simply not choosen and the bible prophecies are being fullfilled and eternity awaits all heaven or hell everyone will see after death its only a matter of time
Creation02, I'm afraid that fictional arguments don't carry much weight here.
like i said judgement day will come and you cant run from god forever the bible being fullfilled is proof god exist and hes coming again
What a dumbazz.
its to bad fictional things dont come to past that makes the bible not fictional cause its happening and you hate that truth cause you know your time is limited so you live in fear jesus told us all we need to know he even said in the end people would not believe just wait to your eternity gets hear and the true god shows up his word has been right and he is god and coming again
Please explain, in detail, how our bodies with all its complex, intricate, interdependent systems just happened to evolve from plasma chaos? If one of those systems does not work, the body ceases to exist. I simply don't have the faith to believe that our brains literally evolved from plasma into what they are today.
But you're perfectly able to believe that some invisible sky fairy did it, right?
MORON.
Actually, a "scientist" tried to do that up in Pennsylvania a few years ago and was practically laughed out of court by the judge who devastated the argument in his opinion.
You can read the entire opinion here (it's fascinating):
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/kitzmiller_v_dover_decision.html
Kman, thank you for the fine example of the logical fallacy known as an "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam". Next!
Try studying these 101 arguments for young earth http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth that include material never taught in high school or college science classes. In fact, federal judges and their atheist supporters throughout academia refuse to allow evidence contrary to what they say. An interesting study is the dozens of times evolutionists have been sure of some new fact only to have it debunked a few years later. Even though supremely confident in everything he says, Leakey has been wrong. http://www.scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings.22Dempsey.pdf http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeSciences30.html Then there is the fraud that evolution supporters have committed-from deliberate lies about recapitulation theory from Haeckel's made-up drawings that don't resemble the embryos he claimed to draw, hand-carved bones to make them fit together, and a too quick to call an animal bone a piece of "ancient human ancestor," and artistic license in drawing the creatures fitting the bones to make them look more human. "Lucy" appears to be a knucklewalker, which would make her an ape, not a human. Once you know the rest of the story, evolution is not a sound theory. If the earth were truly billions of years old, there would be no more helium in rocks, the ocean would be far too salty because current net salt additions result in modern day salinity levels in far less time. Even the mystery of how the Grand Canyon's lowest layer of sandstone was transported from the Appalacian Mountains before being carved by water. The worldwide violent flood during one year provides a better explanation for contenental movement of sand from east to west far better than evolution's slow and gradual's assumptions. Also, dating the same rocks with multiple methods seems to frequently produce different results – an impossibility if the dating system assumptions were true. There is migration of material in and out of the systems under study, making dating that way unreliable.
These fundies and their bibles – they don't even understand the deep and mysterious concept known as the paragraph. Their bibles don't use 'em why should they?
Want the truth, sorry kid, not a single one of your arguments doesn't fall into the "Logical Fallacy" category. Oh, except the ones that are just factually wrong. Which is most of them. A fine example is the salinity argument. A couple of hundred years ago, that was considered a valid dating method. But, well, the salinity of the ocean isn't increasing, it does fluctuate to a small degree but over the long term, the amount of salt the oceans lose is roughly the same as the intake.
Toby- I want eternal life in a nice place.
Toby's friend- OK, just take on faith everything that's in this book about God.
Toby- I want to think for myself too.
Toby's friend- Don't.
Toby- I can't help it. I have to think for myself sometimes.
Toby's friend- Don't. Your thoughts may betray your faith. The deal would be off then.
Toby- OK. What if I know something that say's the book's not right.
Toby's friend- The deal would be off. Forget everything you know.
Toby- I will get eternal life in a nice place, right?
Toby's friend- That's in the book, Toby.
Toby's friend.
Shhh. My god is SO stupid, that she won't know that you don't really believe. Just *say*, you do, and we'll play pretend, and she'll never know.