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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

soundoff (5,973 Responses)
  1. Terry

    And these 40-46% do 3 dangerous things : They reproduce, vote, and drive cars.....

    September 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  2. GayAtheist

    Apes evolved from creationists.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      That makes me sad for Apes .. 😦

      September 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  3. Christ Lover

    We need to round up all the creationists, birthers and tea baggers and have them write down their philosophies on life. These are the smartest people on the planet.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  4. Christ Lover

    Cavemen fvcktards don't deserve to reap the benefits of modern technology. It doesn't mention airplanes, cars or the internet in the bible. Why are you using them? Regressive morons set the rest of humanity back hundreds of years.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  5. Carl Persson

    The battle between religious fundamentalism and secularism is ancient and has followed similar patterns each time there has been a revolution in scientific thought or social change. The religious fundamentalist of the time found central and critical to their beliefs the concept of the universe circling the earth, the earth being flat, slavery, denying civil rights and the vote to women and blacks. And they had lots of bible quotations to prove their points. Eventually, their beliefs evolve and change, the same way life evolves to accommodate change. I know many educated people of faith that see no inconsistency between their faith and the theory of evolution.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
  6. Lookout

    How do you drive a creationist crazy?

    Just say "Prove it".

    September 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • LittleHero

      Or what could I present as refutation? Alien organisms? ETI?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  7. LittleHero

    I have no problem with teaching Creationism in public school – as an example of pseudoscience and flawed arguments in a class on critical thinking and logic.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      I agree .. it belongs in psychology class too.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  8. remoteDef

    The creationists often argue that children should be "taught the controversy." Fine. Teach it in Social Studies class, because the controversy is political, not scientific.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  9. Elena

    Question for agathokles if you are still here, i am not asking when did light acquired the ability to carried information, i am asking how did it acquire it. furthermore you mentioned that is not difficult to imagine a " path between bacteria or algae that have photoreceptors (to tell them which way to swim towards light) why would light have specific instructions to tell bacteria how to act, how did those instructions could have encrypted themselves in ligh when light not even knows bacteria existed? how did photoreceptor evolve to perfectly tuned to received the information carried in light?

    September 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why would you think the light was 'carrying' information, Elena?

      Honestly, are you for real?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Elena

      I don't understand you question? in order for us to see, hear and smell and ll that there must of been information received by the senses and send in electromagnetic impulses to the brain? If I luck you up in a pith back room can you see or is all dark?
      you questioning if light carries information tells me you know nothing about quantum mechanics!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "I don't understand your question."

      Right back at you, Elena. Your question makes no sense.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If anyone else has a clue what this cookie is blathering about, maybe you can tell me.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • agathokles

      1. Light carries information whether anyone is there to receive it or not. Life evolved to be able to interpret this information - e.g., to avoid running into trees - not the other way around.

      2. That said, your repeated question appears to imply that those of us who believe in evolution do not necessarily believe in God. About me, you'd be wrong. I find it perfectly possible to BELIEVE in a God who created all matter, while I also believe in evolution. The relevant argument on this thread should be evolutionists vs. fundamental, literal-interpreters of the Bible. All those who believe in evolution do not disbelieve in God. Science will never be able to tell us how it all began. You'll always be able to respond to any explanation, 'and before that, what was there?"

      I don't reject the hand of a God in creation. But that's belief, not science. What I do reject is a literal interpretation of the Bible that requires believing that the earth is 4,000 or 10,000 years old.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Mick

      I think she's asking how could we have developed senses through evolution if our evolutionary ancestors didn't start out with senses. At least that's my best guess.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  10. CobiaKiller

    HAHAHAHA
    "At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes.

    Mr. Ham, someone needs to teach you the definition of truth.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  11. Dr.U

    I have a "theory" that the Holocaust didn't happen. I realize that this theory is inconsistent with everything we observe, but it's a theory and I think both sides of an issue should be taught. In fact, I have a bunch of theories about a bunch of things!

    September 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • TastyFreeze

      ...well put point.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  12. CobiaKiller

    If everyone believed in creationism, we would still be living in caves and dancing to the fire god.

    If it wasn't for scientists, humans would be extinct.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  13. my question to you

    Bill Nye the science guy, the mechanical engineer who could not make it in the real world so he does 3rd grade science expierments

    September 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • John Robertson

      And you've done what exactly? Troll

      September 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Plucky

      What's your question?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      How m,any nationally televised program have you hosted?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Tim

      Surely you meant Bill Nye the amazingly successful Cornell educated scientist...my guess is you're probably a typical non-educated troll, probably working retail or some other mindless job.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • agathokles

      Granted, Bill Nye is not a recognized expert on evolution; but that does not mean he's wrong about it.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Bill55

      That's not even a question.
      Here's two: Did God invent man or did Man invent God? If no one has evolved, how can humans be over a foot taller on average than they were centuries ago? My own son is 6'4" and Jesus was barely 4' tall. Please also explain the rampant incest there must have been when only 2 people existed (in the beginning) in biblical times.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Paula D.

      Bill Nye is neither a genius nor a role model. In fact, he's not even all that bright. Just because people criticize him, that does not make those people trolls. The greatest anti-atheist of them all is Steven Hawking who openly expresses his confusion why the universe (and, in fact, existence itself) should exist at all. Exactly, Steven. Exactly. Thank you and good night.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • agathokles

      What does it matter, Bill Nye's credentials? There are vast numbers of better-credentialed folks who hold the same view. Even a Village Idiot recognizes when his house is on fire.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      agathokles, Elena has been asking after you. She wants you to explain how light carries information to organisms. Or something. It's hard to tell what she's attempting to communicate.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oops. I see you have already responded to Elena.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • donna

      Jealous much? I think he's made it in the real world, just fine. Or do you think people on TV aren't real?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  14. GonzoinHouston

    The problem is that people are willing to accept belief over empirical evidence. After you do it once, it get's easier, and then becomes a habit. Look at the modern republicans: 30+ years of evidence that tax cuts for the rich do not create enough jobs to generate enough tax revenue to pay for the tax cut, and yet that's exactly what many of the rank-and-file republicans believe.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  15. CM

    Amazingly, this article screws up the age of the universe. It's 13.7 billions years old, not 4.5 – that's just the Earth.

    "Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth and the universe as 4.5 billion years old."

    September 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      I think you're right.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Martin

      This article got the age of the universe wrong, but it's not surprising considering that it was written by the co-editor of the belief blog.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • lostisland

      Wow, that's a fairly huge mistake! – And I'm looking forward to watching the creationists rebuttal – I can always use a good laugh first thing in the morning. Creationism is a reflection of a very weak mind. And these idiots will be voting in the election soon. Which is why I applaud Nye for taking a stand. To all the atheist's out there – please vote in the election, we can win this if we do...

      September 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Jon

      And next year it will be 14 billion, and in five years 50 billion. Every time more evidence arises that cannot be explained by the "scientists" evolutionary worldview, they add a few billion years to the age of the age. At least creationists are consistent and don't have to add millions and billions of years every time there is something that can't be fully explained. Everything about the theory of evolution hinges on a hundreds of thousands of supposed missing links that don't seem to be anywhere in the earth. Maybe aliens took them as a joke. Hawkins believes in aliens we have never seen or talked to and I believe in an infinite Holy God that has communicated with man, and you people call me crazy.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      @Jon

      If science makes a change there is good reason for it, whereas, not questioning and searching and just accepting some made-up story is totally irresponsible. Science is self-correcting, in fact, if a scientist makes a claim about something he/she better be darn sure it is verifiable or they will be slaughtered by their peers.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, Jon, and during other eras, physicians thought that bloodletting would cure disease.

      People like you are just ignorant beyond comprehension.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  16. Iain T

    Oops! That should have read "Why would gods create such flawed beings". Anyway, here we are in the 21st century and such naive, infantile people still believe this hocus pocus as fact. If you have faith, fine. But for goodness sake, all the Christian stuff was written on or about 2000 years ago when these folks new a lot less than we know nowadays. Accept it as a parable or a metaphor but don't try to say it is fact. You are embarassing yourself on front of brighter people.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  17. Halkes

    Anyone who considers themselves open minded needs to read this, it is very important information that has been buried for some time, but is not by any means newly conceived, and yes, it is a repost from earlier.

    Believe it or not, December 25th was actually used by very many ancient cultures, predating the ancient Greeks and Romans, as the day of birth of their sun gods. December 21st is the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year, when the sun is at its lowest point in the sky. Then for 3 days, the sun seems still in the sky, neither rising nor falling, until the night of the 24th/morning of the 25th, when the sun begins to rise again. That is why all the creation myths of these ancient cultures say that their sun gods were killed, remained dead for 3 days, then rose again after the 3rd day. For them, this was an annual process that was to be celebrated. The ancient Egyptians used to bring palm trees inside their homes during this time, as it is really an ancient holiday revolving around the harvest and the sun's natural annual cycle. In addition, constellations that appear in the night sky around the sun at the end of December include virgo (the virgin) and crux (ancient Greek for cross), and on the evening of the 24th the 3 stars of Orion's belt (in the eastern sky) line up to point at the horizon, on the exact spot the new sun rises on the 25th. That is why many ancient cultures believed their sun gods were born of a virgin and crucified (a common practice at the time), which are among the many other consistencies found among them, such as the healing of the blind and walking on water, as well as the 12 disciples they each had (the disciples representing the 12 signs of the zodiac, which surround the sun in ancient zodiac imagery).

    Also relevant is the fact that the ancient Greek word eon translates to age. Each age was believed to have lasted around 2400 years and was based on the location of the sun relative to the constellations behind it. 0 AD was the first year of the age of Pisces (the fish). The end of the current age is said to occur in the next few hundred years, at which point we will be in the age of aquarius (the water bearer). Supposedly Moses was alive as we were transitioning from the age of Taurus (the calf/bull) to the age of Aries (the ram), thus explaining the story of the golden calf and the subsequent massacre that followed. In closing none of this should really come as a surprise, since we all know that ancient cultures explained the world around them in terms of nature and particularly astronomy. Fortunately, this important part of our history will soon be taught in classrooms around the world.

    Feel free to write kodiak50000@hotmail.com for more info (there is a lot more than I can put in here), I would like to help propagate this information.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Iain T

      Very interesting stuff. I've read a lot about this myself and cut my teeth on Holy Blood, Holy Grail which set me on a journey of research.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Halkes

      I actually bought that book a few years ago but had trouble getting into it, thanks for reminding me, I'll have to give it another go.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • lostisland

      And your point is what? Crazy Talk, or as they say in England – Nutters.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Halkes

      There are multiple points (in any country). Jesus Christ was a) fabricated, and b) another in a long line of sun gods that predate the Christ myth by millennia. In addition, Christianity as a whole is the largest and most successful sect of paganism in history, with a throng of idol worshipers numbering in the billions.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  18. Religion is my Life

    "Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" – Seneca

    Haha and the poor Seneca isnt alive anymore! Take that!
    God Bless America !! Land of the Christians!

    September 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      You will someday be compost as well and nothing more.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Plucky

      I guess you really pwnd Seneca

      September 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      All the authors of the bible and all the saints are also dead. Is that relevant to your point?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Tim

      Jesus is dead too...so I guess his deal didn't work out too well either.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • steve

      jl, this is NOT a christian country, it just happens to have a lot of uneducated mythical believers in its borders. but we were NOT founded on religion or christianity. You need to re read history. You mythical believers are trying to screw up this country much like the mythical believers have screwed up the middle east, no difference really.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  19. XrayLion

    Watch the NOVA episodes on "Intelligent Design on Trial". You will become educated. You will learn that I.D. is a sham... a lie. I.D. was made up and its origins subsequently covered up by the very people who intended to supplant science. I.D. has no evidence. I.D. has no proof. I.D. is not testable. I.D. is based upon faith, nothing more. I.D. is based in large part upon a book created by man and the First Council of Nicaea. READ your History, LEARN your Science. Live in the 21st Century and become a modern human being.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • my question to you

      oh yes because Nova says it is true or not that is the answer. really you get your science from TV?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • notea4me

      Jesus told me intelligent design is BS. Do you believe him?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Bill55

      What's wrong with tv science?
      Just don't watch the Big Bang Theory.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • XrayLion

      NOVA is NOT my only source. Look around and become educated. Read all of your sources, question everything. Do not take everything based on faith like I.D. Question and Experiment. Wow! You just performed some Science.

      NOVA is quick way to broach the topic and bring the facts of I.D. into focus. These episodes of NOVA are something that someone who believes in I.D. can wrap their head around. Keep it simple for those who take things on faith. NOVA does just that. If you wish to investigate further and apply some scientific methodology then by all means be my guest. 😉

      Jesus actually spoke to you? Wow! You are an expert in applying the circular logic that is at the heart of I.D. I bow to your skill in the use of a circle-jerk debate, but I do not bow to your knowledge of topic. I.D. is false. I.D. is a sham. I.D. is a lie. Learn and Read. Look up from your Bible at the world and universe around you and investigate and engage. You will be a better human being for it.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  20. Stephenson Billings

    I wrote a passionate disproval of Nye. The man just does not have what it takes to compete with people of FAITH!

    http://dailybleach.com/could-science-guy-bill-nyes-disgusting-secret-destroy-his-career/

    September 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sure thing, Stevie.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Really-O?

      OK...I admit it, I took a look at the article. Nice incoherent rant, Mr. Billings.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Luis Wu

      How utterly stupid.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      "The man just does not have what it takes to compete with people of FAITH!" Pity. Also, most people don't have what it takes to compete with viral hemorrhagic fevers. No fear – we're working on it.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Why would he want to compete with troglodytes?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Imagine No Religion

      From the description of yourself at the end of your post on the Daily Bleach...

      "Stephenson Billings is an Investigative Journalist, Motivational Children's Party Entertainer and Antique Soda Bottle Collector all in one special, blessed package!"

      ROFLMFAO!!! Yeah, you're REALLY qualified to rip Bill Nye. Keep living in your delusional world, you don't have a chance of making it in reality, Stevie!

      -
      "There ain't no jesus gonna come from the sky.
      Now that I found out, I know I can cry." – John Lennon

      September 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      WARNING: SATIRE ALERT!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Bill R in Oakland

      Stephenson...what is "Morris" code?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Bill55

      Just because your parents told you how to think, doesn't mean you HAVE to think their way. Try some independant thought.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Count Boogie

      You are correct...nobody can compete with someone who is in denial...you must continue seeking the truth without feeling as though your god will be threatened by you asking honest questions. If there is some for of god or goddesses...I see no evidence that their ego(s) would be hurt by something they supposedly created.
      I preached the gosple passionately for years, but I kept seeking the truth and it did set me free...from Jesus.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
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