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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. realbuckyball

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqPGOhXoprU

    August 31, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      It's a waste of time to argue the existence of god. The argument presumes an already extant, (pre-existent) structure, or concurrent structure, of existence/nonexistence. (Existence has no property which does not require spacetime) .Every property of intelligent existence require time ... thinking, loving, moving, acting, creating..). THAT structure, (existence/nonexistence) had to, at least concurrently, (if not prexist), be in place, or come into place, in the universe, if god exists, ((as it presumes it's opposite, (nonexistence)), as a property also, (in, or of the structure). Existence is (a) "something" / property. one has, but is not the thing, itself. If I exist, I have existence, I am not existence, itself. That means it has to be a property of a being, not the being itself. If god possesses existence, as a property of god, it's not the god itself. It's a descriptor of the god. There are two choices. God IS existence, or god created existence, and possesses it. If god IS "existence", then we are all gods, as I exist. I'm not a god. The opposites have to exist already, and god could not be the creator of that structure, if he is a part of it. The already extant structure had to come from somewhere. The "nihilo", in "ex-nihilo" presumes a structure already in place. One cannot be subject to a system, and be it's creator, (being/nothingnesss, positive/negative, plus/minus, existence/nonexistence etc.)

      Either "existence" itself, (in their world), is non-contingent, (and thus god IS existence itself), OR it's not, and the property, (existence as a contingent being), had to come into existence, as a result of god. That means god causes his own non-contingent status. That is meaningless. I have existence. If the possession of existence, per se, or sui generis, makes a being non-contingent, then I also am god. If it does not, then god's existence is not the thing that makes god , god, and has to be non-contingent.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      God cannot be existence itself, as nonexistence also exists along with existence, and thus something "other " than god, always existed also.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  2. Lila

    Creationism isn't a theory therefore who cares if they strike back at Nye, it's not science and it certainly shouldn't be reported as news. They are religious people who should teach their "belief" in Church or at home and leave real science for schools and information in the media. When was the last time the media reported "a creationist discovered...."? Never, they are a bunch of flakes who should be ignored.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Back in the days folks cared what others thought of them but, now in the age of the internet folks from Bill Nye to Rev Terry Jones can surround themselves with countless people who will agree and stand with them. That is why you asked "who cares".

      August 31, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
  3. bp

    Mr. Nye is learning in full how great is the depth of hate, ignorance and bigotry that characterizes creationists. He should have known better – these people cannot be reasoned with.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
  4. Bob the Cat

    This is pure silliness, there is not argument here. One is fact based on hard science, the other is fear of death.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      It's rational thought against pre-Enlightenment, pre-scientific thinking. It is civilization versus barbarism.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Intelligent Design

      "It's rational thought against pre-Enlightenment, pre-scientific thinking. It is civilization versus barbarism."

      Believing that order, structure, logic and programming (which is what biology is all about) came about by mistakes (which is what mutations are) is "rational thought"?

      September 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Kalgoorlie Chris

      So much of this belief many have in Science holding all the true Answers,makes science out to know all the answers. A young man who did not want to become a Cleric wrote a Theory prior to the Discovery of the Pre-Cambrian explosion which had he known of it before postulating his theory would have discovered that his thoughts on Evolution were severely flawed. Sadly Today many push Darwinian Theory in the same ignorance as Charles Darwin despite information to the contrary. Evolution is just a political argument to justify many acts of inhumanity to mankind.

      September 21, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  5. DRTSAT

    I have a proble with people taking the bible as the literal word of God. It's not. It's a series of parables and stories meant to help guid your life. Many people think the bible tells you not to drink. It does not. It cautions against excessive drunkeness. I was raised in protestant churches. Fundementalist churches. I quit listening to the minister preaching the dogma of the denominaton to which he belonged and I did research. The bible was put together as the "Catholic Bible" at the Council of Nycaea which was convened by Emporer Constantine of the Holy Roman Empire. The changes to the bible for protestants happened with the Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther. In the end, religion is one's interpretation of teachings. These teaching themselves are flawed as they are concieved by man based on interpretation of what they think. I will teach my kids to think before they commit to anything.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Joe

      What really turned me off of Christianity is doing a bit of homework. Turns out there were loads of religions floating around at the same time about a son of god walking on water, healing the sick, and being persecuted for our sins. Turns out much of that goes back to ancient Egypt even. But oh what I would give for a new religion based on common good and ethical practices, without all that hocus-pocus magic.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
  6. Nope!

    Oh, I'm so glad my God is so far ahead of all of you , darwinist bozos! You're like silly kids on the playground, sitting in a sandbox, making sand houses and arguing whose is the best to live in! Stupid people, lacking any sense!

    August 31, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Bob the Cat

      I hope this is bad sarcasm, but I suspect not.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Sad Kid

      @nope!

      nope.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
  7. What evolution deniers would sound like if we were talking about algebra

    Perhaps you should try to understand the theory of evolution before you mock it. see my post at the top for an an'alogy of your own post.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
  8. jhenshaw

    "Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth and the universe as 4.5 billion years old."

    Um, no. The majority of scientists date the age of the Earth at 4.5B years, and the age of the universe at 13.5-15B years.

    NBC, irony. Irony, NBC.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
  9. Jerry

    I AM GOD..............

    except on alternate Thursdays, when I'm Napoleon.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • .o.

      Well, I heard that sometimes on Saturday night you kind of flare up into AGAG YDAL

      August 31, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
  10. What evolution deniers would sound like if we were talking about algebra

    Perhaps you should try to understand the theory of evolution before you mock it. see my post at the top for an analogy of your own post.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
  11. msadr

    Creationist Craziness. I can't believe this nonsense still goes on in my country. I firmly believe that GOD created the universe. But I do NOT believe in the literal 7 days of creation from the book of genesis. For heavens sake! Even a tiny little bit of research into the origin of Genesis chapter 1 makes it blatantly clear that it is a fictional poem based on an old Sumerian text. It was never meant to be taken literally! Yes, God created the universe. But Genesis chapter 1 is a metaphor. Wake up and look at the facts people. Things evolve. And Charles Darwin was a Christian when he penned the Origin of Species. You CAN be a Christian and a Biologist simultaneously.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • GeeWhizzy

      If it isn't true, then why are you so bothered by it? Go on and live your life, any way, if you've so fully embraced the post-modern ambivalence about truth, then your way of thinking is merely a part of a human societal construct that is different from others. So try to stop being so unhappy.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • transitional form

      Don't be silly, the whole point about science is that it is not a societal construct. Science is a method for obtaining objective truth. And judging from its success, it works better than any other method.

      September 1, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
  12. What evolution deniers would sound like if we were talking about algebra

    You silly algebraists!!! Just how can Algebra be true if everybody knows that eleventeen + slippery does NOT equal candycorn?!?!? What's wrong with you Algebraists?!?!? LOL!!!! 1

    August 31, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Laughing at you own jokes.

      Trying to convince yourself that you're funny?

      Sad, so sad.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Expecting creationists to have a sense of humor is like expecting dogs to play poker (wearing eyeshades and smoking cigars).

      August 31, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
  13. nm

    I don't understand why people still believe in fairy tales. Religion is suppressing human evolution. Religion is dangerous for our society. We need to evolve and make steps forward not backward.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • msadr

      You are a complete idiot.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • GeeWhizzy

      If there is no higher being, then what is there to fear but your fellow man? I'm always intrigued at how bothered people are by religion. It points to a deeper conflict within. And as for progress....progress to what? Ever heard of the principle of entropy. The whole universe is eventually going to grind to a halt, so that human construct doesn't make sense either.

      In fact, if there is no higher end to our lives, this whole discussion doesn't really matter at all. The French existentialists would be right, it all boils down to power relations. Good for people like Putin and Assad. Bad for the rest of us. Thank goodness...no, thank God that this is not true.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • .o.

      Religion is certainly suppressing progress.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • PopeurbanII

      @geeWhizzy: "what is there to fear but your fellow man?"

      What is fear itself. Ill take logic for 200 Alex.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • James

      @GeeWhizzy,

      September 1, 2012 at 3:21 am |
  14. thegadfly

    James, you're poking your finger in the egg yolk. Step back and look at it without poking. Please.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  15. Albert Leo

    "Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth and the universe as 4.5 billion years old."

    No. The earth and solar system, 4.5 billion. The universe, 13 billion. Pretty basic blunder, CNN.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  16. Skeptic001

    Man and dinosaurs coexisted........on the Flintstones. Evolve. Please!

    August 31, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  17. thegadfly

    James, you truly misunderstand everything. What you need to ask is, what is meaning? Please come up with nothing, because then you will begin to understand.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  18. StuporDave

    Hope wanes when reason is sabotaged. Faith leads to a wall. Adding science helps one climb over it.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • msadr

      Faith does not lead to a wall. Refusal to accept anything other than what you learned in school (religion OR science) leads to a wall. Faith is an action – when you test what you believe and it works, THAT is faith.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Ok, so how does a creationist test his faith and KNOW that it works?

      August 31, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
  19. Robert

    More than anything else, it really makes me sad how Bill Nye has let children down with his beliefs. It's very disappointing more than anything else.

    August 31, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
  20. James

    Gadflie:HOW DID THE DNA CODE ORIGINATE?
    The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and
    words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the
    chemical properties of the letters—just as the information
    on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?
    HOW DID LIFE ORIGINATE? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.” Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”. A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even
    one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by
    chemistry without intelligent design?
    HOW DID THE DNA CODE ORIGINATE? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and
    words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?
    3. HOW COULD MUTATIONS—ACCIDENTAL COPYING MISTAKES (DNA ‘LETTERS’ EXCHANGED, DELETED OR ADDED, GENES DUPLICATED, CHROMOSOME INVERSIONS, ETC.)—CREATE THE HUGE VOLUMES OF INFORMATION IN THE DNA OF LIVING THINGS?
    How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?
    There is information for how to make proteins and also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains
    the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See
    creation.com/meta-information. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human
    diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible?
    E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency, ATP,
    for all life), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate ?

    August 31, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • nm

      It called EVOLUTION... Took millions of years for DNA code to evolve .

      August 31, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • What evolution deniers would sound like if we were talking about algebra

      Perhaps you should try to understand the theory of evolution before you mock it. see my post at the top for an an'alogy of your own post..l

      August 31, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqPGOhXoprU

      August 31, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • CR

      First of all, there are no letters and numbers in the genetic code. The "letters" and "numbers" are simply mental constructs to help us understand the natural world, but they do not exist in the natural world. Second of all, scientists have experimentally recreated the early conditions on Earth and have shown that amino acids, proteins and other macromolecules can spontaneously form under the proper conditions. Over billions of years in time and evolution via natural selection this has resulted in extremely complex and varied DNA.

      August 31, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Gadflie

      James, argumentum ad ignorantiam. Sorry, want to try again?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:05 am |
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