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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

soundoff (5,973 Responses)
  1. hrpufnstuf

    To believe that everything in this universe "just happened" is equivalent to thinking that the something like the Space Shuttle could have "just happened" through evolution.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • jholland27

      The space shuttle was the product of evolution – could not have accomplished the program 200 years ago but as intelligence and thus technology 'evolved' man was able to travel beyond the atmosphere of Earth.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • admiralbrown

      The space shuttle did evolve, form jet airplanes, winged airplanes and other advances in technology. We grew our knowledge base so we could make a space shuttle.
      Creationist say the God created the universe. But ask where God came from and he was always there (no idea how God came to be). Ask a scientist where the universe came from and you get no idea. Bring God in just adds a step to the question where did the universe come from.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      No one believes that everything in the universe just happened .. everything after the universe began is a result of cause and effect. Everything organic, after life began from a chemical reaction, is the result of evolution. The end of God(s) will be a result of psychological evolution.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • End Religion

      It is not a belief that everything "just happened" through evolution. It is a fact, in as much as you rely on other facts of Physics in your life. Planes fly. Medicine works. Your computer works. While humans "design" these things on the outside, the only way they really work on the inside is due to the "facts" of Physics. Evolution is based on these facts of Physics as well. You don't personally have to understand how pills work to heal you, or how bits and bytes get turned into your CNN post, or how the world and humans evolved over billions of years. You trust in the facts of science or you surrender logic and reason and instead "believe". The question is really, why? Why surrender logic in this one aspect of life, religion? Assuming you don't need to "believe" your computer works in order for it to retrieve your email, why "believe" an invisible person created you when we just as reliably understand how we've arrived where we are today? I understand you are frightened of what happens when you die. I understand you may begin to truly grieve for those who've died because you will never see them again i an afterlife, and that is painful. But these are facts and we've all got to grapple with them as best we can without relying on imaginary belief systems that profess to soothe these anxieties through fantasy.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  2. Lowell

    I find it VERY INTERESTING that ONLY the Christian Bible is attacked by the ANTICHRISTS.
    The brave boy has NOTHING to say about the KORAN as usual.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Well, since you typed in all caps, I'm sure it must be true. ( eye roll )

      September 1, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • End Religion

      Every religion must come to an end for humans to continue to advance because religion is what holds us back, for example stem cell research, cloning. Most religions look forward to a time when their particular god destroys everyone; the end times, the rapture, the Koran's "last judgement". Because of this, many religions push for cataclysmic war, assuming that will bring about such end times. It is no less than religious insanity. Islam seems to be the most radical at the moment, but Christians certainly share enough blame. Both would love to fight to the death, which would be fine except they want to take everyone else down with them. Atheists have previously been OK with silently waiting in the wings, dragging religious people into the future kicking and screaming, using thought and science to make this world a better place. But now religious insanity threatens not just thousands as in the past (crusades, burnings, inquisitions, and on); whatever your brand of religious insanity, the god delusion threatens us all. End religion.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
  3. Leoz

    Let those who believe in God do so in peace. And for those who don't, let them believe in what they want. There is no sense in trying to prove each other wrong.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      Leoz,

      The salient issue here is WHERE and WHEN we teach these things. Nye's opinion is that indoctrinating children into religion at an early age distorts their view of why the world is the way it is, and blunts their ability to objectively seek greater understanding of the world and universe.

      I agree that people's belief is perfectly acceptable as a private matter away from schools, politics, law, and the like. The entire problem is that it doesn't end there. It NEVER ends there.

      "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." – Mark 16:15

      "preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction." 2 Tim 4:2

      See, belief commands believers to spread this garbage to everyone theycan. Conversion has always been central to the major religions. Of course Christians will always say that they just spread the word and it's the Holy Spirit that does the conversion. My friends, this is absolutely splitting hairs. Their goal is still conversion, and I don't care for that mentality one bit.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      If believers in Deities you stop trying to foist their beliefs on the rest of us we Atheists would have no reason to counter their attacks with reason ... and we'd ALL live in peace.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • End Religion

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtX_R-V5Cws&w=640&h=360]

      September 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  4. MennoKnight

    Many of the great scientists of the past and present are strong believers in Jesus Christ.

    The problem is guys like Ken Ham that present themselves as scientists and then use spiritual language to sell their point of view.
    Ham continually lies and fudges data that they know is wrong, sets up fake straw men that evolutionary scientists never say and then knocks them down. Answers in Genesis has caused so much damage to the reputation of Christ.

    Men like Francis Collins are true scientist and believers. These other guys have mail order PhD's.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • End Religion

      "Many" scientists of the past were religious because there was no comprehension of evolution. Now that the fact has been discovered, the folks working in high end of the sciences who believe in the tenets of any organized religion is @ 33% compared to @80-90% of the general U.S. population. And some estimates of elite scientists have used @7% as the figure of those who believe in any sort of god. Religion is finally waning. It'll take a long time to release the stranglehold but we're finally doing it. It's not a time to be scared, it's a time to celebrate a rebirth of human advancement. End religion now.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      Voltaire said the same thing 250 years ago that Christianity would end in his lifetime.

      Today Christianity is spreading faster than any other time in history.

      September 2, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  5. RBN

    Creationists – answer one simple question and you'll have me. If the universe is too complex to exist without an infintely more complex god to create it, how does the infinitely more complex god exist with requiring another, even more complex, god to create that god? You guys always fall back on, "You have to have faith". When translated, that means it makes too much sense for your closed, controlled minds. Grow up and accept that you still play with imaginary friends in the world you wish you could live in.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      You are simply talking in circles.
      The reason we say that there needs to be a creator is because the evidence for such fin tuning of the universe points to a creator. If you take one variable in the laws of physics and change it from it's present norms, all complex life cannot exist.
      This is why it is called intelligent design, and it is a huge difference between what guys like Ken Ham say.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • End Religion

      @menni: there is no fine tuning. An infallible creator would create a perfect world. The world and humans are far from perfect. That the world and everything in it continues to slowly evolve points only to evolution, and the disintegration of the multiple "turths" the world's religions hold dear.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Menno, if things were different, things would be different. You are posting from the premise that some being intended for us to be here and made the earth specifically for us, "fine tuning" it so it would be just right.

      I think that's balderdash. We are here because it so happened that this planet happened to be conducive to life forms that evolved over time. We're here because we evolved to fit this place, not the other way around.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • RBN

      @menno – Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. Instead of answering my question with an intelligent response you try to cloud the issue with superfluous nonsense. Way to represent your religion. If you can't answer that one simple question, maybe you need to examine your beliefs a little more closely.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:28 am |
  6. Joseph L.

    " "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

    Creationalism has nothing to do with our past. You are teaching your children a mother goose fairy tale as truth. That IS harmful to your children. Children should not be exposed to such ridiculous nonsense. It does not prepare them for the real world and teaches myth as truth. Shameful.........You do not have to be an atheist understand this. I am not an atheist but neither do I believe in man made religion and mythology.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
  7. Chris

    There are too many religions that all claim they are the right. And they all totally hate, judge, and do not tolerate anything that is NOT them. Just be fair and teach ALL major religions and evolution. Educate people and let them make up their own minds.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      Better yet, do not teach religion at all (or perhaps make it a part of history classes). Leave teaching religion for after school and weekends, or feel free to home school or private school.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  8. I AM

    First I would like to thank God the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that it contains for sending His Son Jesus to die for a sinner like me and may His glory and power reign forever and ever, Amen! 2 Timothy 3v7 explains how some people are always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now, I find it odd that some scientists appear to always be learning but some never come to the knowledge of the truth, which is God created all that we see and even what we don't see. I say some because as we know some very famous past and present scientists have professed their belief in God, are they no longer believable scientists after that proclamation? Lets make this simple, it's not about evolutionists or creationists it's about believers and non-believers. Either you believe the bible to be the irrefutable Word of God or you don't. Read Hebrews 11. One argument non-believers make is prove God exists, well where is the proof that He doesn't? 2 Peter 3 explains how people will mock Christ (They did that while He was hanging on the cross) and it becomes even more prevalent in these the last days. He does now what He did then; He asks the Father to forgive the non-believers, He continues to do so until the Father says, "THE TIME HAS COME" and at that time Revelation 10 will be fullfilled where the Angel proclaims "There will be delay no longer" and the mystery of Christ will be revealed. Come to the knowledge of the truth, confess your sins before Almighty God, ask His son Jesus to save you and then begin your relationship with Christ. Time is running out. Revelation 3 v 20 "Behold I stand at the door and knock...........

    September 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • donna

      So you think that it would be really meaningful for someone to die when they were 100% certain that were going to spend eternity in paradise after? Not much of a "sacrifice." Even if the bible story were true, Jesus got everyone to worship him because he went home to his dad. Big whoop.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      Okay that's all nice and everything, so what if I'm Hindu? From my point of view, most of everything you just professed as fact is incorrect.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      To have "knowledge of the truth," one must have facts. Scientists have those...creationists do not. Creationists have fatuous delusions.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      Who's there.......... oh no one.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Joseph L.

      I AM: You are a primitve with a double digit IQ. The kind of person we should protect our children from.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      Hey I AM you forgot to add DELUSIONAL.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • admiralbrown

      So you quote the bible to prove the bible is correct. That is circular logic. I admire your faith, I was never able to put my faith in something that can't be tested and proven. The people of Jesus time lived on a flat earth and thought the stars were campfires in the sky. If you want to want to believe in the world of 2000 years ago then stop using technology that has come since. Don't forget that penicillin resistant bacteria have evolved to be resistant to penicillin.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • DarkMood

      Didn't I hear this same speech given at the Grammy's for best Rap Album???

      September 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • ru

      I am guessing that you are also one of those people who believe that the world will end in Decemeber.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • End Religion

      God did not send his son. If you believe in the Holy Trinity they are one in the same. So for Christianity it goes more like this: supposedly god, apparently a sadistic pedophile, impregnated a 12 year old to give birth to himself. Then when he grew up he committed suicide by crucifixion, became a zombie for a while, then flew up to be with himself in the sky. And all this was for OUR sins, not mentioning of course all the "sins" he just committed.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  9. Conner

    And this is why America continues to fall behind in math and science and therefore as a world leader since technology is too important to ignore.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  10. admiralbrown

    Not to pick on Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor, but the earth is 4.5 billion years old, the universe is on the order of 13-14 billion years old. This article incorrectly states the earth and the universe to be the same age.
    The basic creationist argument is that if evolution is true then creation and the Bible must be false. The logic fails because parts of the bible can be true and parts can be incorrect unless you hold that the Bible was dictated by God.
    I'm amazed that we complain that our country is falling ahead in science and in the same breath we want to teach only the bible and ignore the past 2,000 years of scientific study.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • donna

      You should pick on him because that comment has been made dozens of times today, and he hasn't bothered to read any comments apparently, nor did he bother to check his facts before making claims about what scientists think in the first place. Sloppy writing and sloppy editing.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • chuckmartel

      Good catch. Unfortunately, creationists are not the only scientific illiterates around. Polls say alost 50 percent of the US buy into some type off supernatural nonsense that was respnsible for the creation of the universe and earth. I believe that percentage is higher now than several decades ago,.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  11. Evan

    "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

    LOL wasnt the bible written in a room with a bunch of dudes changing THE STORY that was told verbally for a couple hundred years before they wrote that book? How does this schmuck explain dinosaurs?

    September 1, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • someGuy

      dinosaurs? Are you kidding, man walked with dinosaurs...sometime between now and 6-10k years ago! Seriously the creationist museum has exhibits with men walking next to dinosaurs. I guess we all forgot we used to live next to them when they all went extinct. That's a question to ask a literal interpretation creationist, how did the dinosaurs go extinct?

      September 1, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  12. wlewisiii

    These sad little people have such weak faith that they can't accept the reality of how the universe was created. Only in America are these sad little people in a position to do so much damage to God's world because they lack faith. The specifics about evolution are unimportant. What is important is that there are a handful of people with weak faith who refuse to understand the word of god as reveled in creation.

    Keep religion out of our schools & our governments and, instead, in our churches and homes where it belongs. That was one of the most important insights of the founding fathers and the one in the greatest danger of being abandoned. Separation of church and state is better for both churches and governments.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Religion is a personal thing .. and should be kept that way.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      This silly sky fairy stuff is damaging our world.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • donna

      If we live in a democracy it matters very much what people teach their children even in their own homes and in their churches.

      Teaching voters to form beliefs based on dogma and tradition as opposed to evidence can harm us all.

      Do you remember when Bush invaded Iraq and he told the masses that god told him to do it, and he still had a huge amount of support? That's exactly why it isn't enough to say that religious dogma is fine if it's only talked about in certain contexts.

      If you are teaching people to ignore evidence when forming opinions, they are going to apply that to their thinking regardless of what building they happen to be in.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • End Religion

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M503QdUUiS0&w=640&h=360]

      September 1, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  13. Tom Lee

    The column unfortunately gets the facts wrong about the age of the universe. The earth's formation occurred some 9 billion years after the Big Bang. The article states erroneously that the earth and the universe are of the same age.

    Perhaps more important, though, is that the author makes the mistake - in a misguided application of a fairness principle - of treating creationism as a legitimate theory. Creationism is in conflict with mountains of evidence. To treat this nonsense at all seriously is to support those who would take us back to a time when ghosts and goblins ruled the world.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • admiralbrown

      I agree the media likes to stage conflicts, battles between two views, whether they are equal or not. Look at climate change and the deniers. The science is in, plenty of proof of record hot years, receding glaciers, 30 years of satellite images of the north polar cap melting and soon the northwest passage will be a commercial route. And even with that the deniers are called skeptics and given equal footing on an unsupportable position.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Ian Boucher

      Good response. I agree, this article lends tacit support to placing creationism as an equal rival to actual science, which is most unfortunate. Creationism and intelligent design are not falsifiable as hypotheses and therefore are not science. If you wish to believe that God had a hand in creation that is fine, but to deny evolution by natural selection or deep time is to make claims about the natural world that we can hold to be false empirically. Science is not merely an alternative to religion in its ability to model the universe; rather it is an open system of discovery that relies and hypothesis testing to develop ever more precise explanations of natural phenomena. This contrasts with the closed system of religion which already has the answers, and must be perpetually reconciled with new discoveries.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  14. Leopoldkitty

    Creationists, bless you. You are so amusing.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  15. Dejehe

    We need to teach our children HOW to think, not WHAT to think.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      I've thought about that and I've come to the conclusion ... that statement couldn't be more accurate!

      September 1, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • donna

      True- but not as an absolute. Children do need actual, straight information, especially when they are developing their critical thinking skills.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Donna ... that's what "how to think" means.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • donna

      Then what does "what to think" mean if not given information?

      One of our greatest strengths is our ability to learn without direct evidence. Just because that ability has a down side, doesn't mean we should abandon it.

      Kids need to be told what to think AND how to think, or they won't be able to develop into good critical thinkers.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It seems to me that donna is saying, and I agree, that kids need to be given factual information, not simply given all sides without any guidance as to what is valid and what is not.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • donna

      Yes, thank you for explaining that better, Tom, Tom.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
  16. GolfPro

    To all aethists, agnostics, evolutionists....I contend that you are actually antagonists. You fight against the knowledge of God. Who in their right mind fights against the knowledge of something they believe does not exist? Is this true sanity? I have never seen oxygen but I know it exists. I have never observed magnetism but it is. I have never observed how that magnetism catches hold of metallic objects, but it does. And these are only a few of the unknowns out there. The truth is out there! Jesus Christ said I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes unto the Father but by me. He came from out there and returned. I believe you should really begin to think, not just jump on the emotional straw lined ride because it brings up that warm, fuzzy feeling of mob grouping.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Stupid git. What those of us who don't believe there is evidence for a god 'fight' is ignorance like yours being promulgated as "fact".

      You're so damn dumb you don't even realize that organisms can be anaerobic.

      Go hit a ball, you dolt.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • madmardigan

      we deny the knowledge of god much like we deny the knowledge of the tooth fairy, easter bunny, Santa Clause, and monsters under the bed. Religion will destroy the world. Its time for rational beings to speak up and openly mock people who believe in fairy tales.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Realityisgreat

      ...And who created god?? Who created the creator's creator?? Its a dangerous and inconsitent road youre traveling on. Just dont take your children with you.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • someGuy

      F***ING MAGNETS, HOW DO THESE WORK!?

      September 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      So if someone says, "I am the way the truth and the light" we should all just believe him and be good little followers? Other than circular logic, how did you come to the conclusion this guy was right?

      September 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • ru

      From your first line it is obvious that you have no clue what you are talking about. I am guessing you have not researched the Bible's true origins. How do you explain things to a child? You tell a story right? How do you think people tried to explain the creation of earth and the stars. Is it possible that a higher power is out there? Possibly. Is it possible that there isn't a higher power? Possibly. To understand the world (because the didn't have all the technology we have today) they told stories. Elaborate stories of how the world was created. Even Biblical scholars no longer believe that Genisis was written by Moses but by scholars and by "witness" accounts of what happened. So basically, the Bible is an early form of media. To take the Bible word for word on shows your brain's inability to think for itself, so you fill in the blanks with things that others have told you is true. I am guessing that you only read what is in "today's" interpretation of the bible, because you don't allow yourself to read all the other books out there or other interpretations of books.

      Oh, and if you want to actually "see" how magnetic force works then just research it. It isn't hard. It is obvious from your post that you lack the ability to think or research answers for yourself. Instead, you allow people to tell you something is true and believe it. That is has many names: gullible, naive, insecure to name a few.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  17. Oakydoke

    Belief in creationism is a big red flag for me. Whether as an employee, or a business partner, being a creationist means, at least in one respect, he person lacks the ability for rational thought.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • obicera

      I think the same way. If people can't figure out evolution then how can they figure business or other work related issues? "I just believed the drug was safe."

      September 1, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • sharkfisher

      oakydoke What is rational about the big bang or evoloution?If you start with nothing after ten billion years you will still have nothing. The theory of evolution Started as a joke by Charles Darwin, The theory that some animale came out of the sea and evolved into all life forms.Where did the seaand the animale come from to start withAnd you have the nerve to call anyone irrational? Horse Manure.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Pray tell, Einstein, what are "animale"?

      I hope you're a kid. Or really, really old. Either you'll grow up and get an education, or you'll die and we'll all be better off.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • someGuy

      @sharkfisher

      Take some classes at a community college. They're pretty cheap. It has to do with the conditions of earth. Size and distance from the sun, the fact that earth is still volcanically active, basically these conditions lead to the ability to have liquid water on earth within a certain range of temperatures and containing the right building blocks for cells to grow and reproduce, along with an atmosphere and protection from the suns radiation/solar winds. It's kind of like athletes foot, you probably have some experience with this, once it's moist and warm, stuff starts to grow, now spread that type of cellular growth over billions of years and here we are, except not fungus but animals.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      sharkfisher, it's ok to be ignorant but it's not ok to wallow in it as if it's perfume...or to advertise it as if it's valuable.

      September 1, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • End Religion

      What's truly frightening to me is that often these people DO show critical thinking skills in other contexts. Religious people aren't necessarily stupid. There is some crazy brain shift that happens when it comes to religion, where basing things on fact goes out the window and insanity seems to be a logical jump for them. They understand a virus can "become immune to medicines over time" but fail to see how that is evolution. Christians can laugh at a Muslim's belief in obtaining virgins in an afterlife yet not see how a talking snake is just as ludicrous. There's this weird psychosis that immediately takes over their thought process as soon as it crosses into their religious turf. That's frightening because you simply can't fight crazy. All we can do is continue to shed light on fact and hope one day they finally make it through the valley of crazy.

      September 1, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  18. danwaswa

    God created us to his image eh!?
    .
    It secures me to know that God was a mammal.

    I also think he was a scientist...you know...DNA...

    September 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  19. Jeremy

    While I don't oppose religion, just don't force it on me.

    For those who take the bible as fact, you really need to delve into the history of the Catholic Church. Throughout history, the church has editted and revised parts of the bible to suit their needs. And realistically, there are many religions out there, and some that pre-date the Catholic faith (look at the ancient Romans and Greeks). Not everyone can be right.. but of course, no matter who you ask, their religion is the 'true religion' with the 'true god'. Then you look at the Catholic Churches hatred of science over the course of centuries... had that no happened, we would probably be further ahead then we are not with regards to where we sit technologically. The greatest threat to religion is science. There's no denying that. But there are alot of thing you need to look at here.. you've got your religious-nuts, your science-geeks, and the middle ground. Everyone should just do their own thing and not worry about the others.

    If there was a god, it has long since left us to our own accord.

    Fact: God doesn't create jobs
    Fact: God doesn't cause cancer
    Fact: God doesn't cause earthquakes and kill people

    People use God as a way of dealing with things.. And that's fine, we all need to blame or look to something thats 'beyond us', for hope and for answers.

    Just quit with all this nonsesne.

    September 1, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Oakydoke

      However belief in God is the biggest cause of war and death.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Leoz

      Human beings are the cause of war

      September 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • someGuy

      I have to agree with Leoz, people have consistently used religious beliefs as a reason to hate others or as an excuse to take other peoples resources, but ultimately hate and greed are at the root. If we never developed religion then people would find other reasons, political or social, it's all the same really.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      When you mix government and religion, it's religion that suffers, not government. When you force religion into schools, it's the schools that will decide which religion is taught. Can you be sure it will be yours?

      September 1, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
  20. chuckmartel

    Teach creationism alongside evolution as an 'alternate theory' ? How about sea god Godzilla as creator of it all? Makes about as much sense. Anyone who buys into this creationist nonsense in this day and age is a mental defective. Anyone who advocates teaching it to kids is a dangerously stupid mental defective. Is this an issue anywhere else in the developed world?

    September 1, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Cyle in Dublin

      They don't allow any teachings to contradict the Quran in islamic theocracies.

      That's what the christians really want here in the US. A "kingdom of god" where their rule is law and anything that contradicts the words of their 1600 year old collection of plagaristic fairy tales, is considered blasphemy punishable by stoning.

      What they don't realize is that we don't want a christian gowernment for the very same reasons that they don't want an islamic one.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • sharkfisher

      Mental defective? you buy into the scientific fairy tale of nothing exploding and creating something or a single cell omeba crawled out of the sea and evolved into hundreds of millions of species of Humans ,animales, reptiles and bird life. Talk about a mental defective. Most people who reject creationism do so trying to escape the reality of a higher power that the must one day answer to.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • chuckmartel

      Thanks for the example in mental defective sharky.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I despair when I read posts like that of 'sharkfisher'.

      What freakin' idiots some of these people are.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Sharky, don't blame science for your lack of imagination or reason. Some people win in evolution and some lose; you have my condolences.

      September 1, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
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