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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

soundoff (5,973 Responses)
  1. D

    "At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes" - sadly that "truth" is wholly disconnected from ACTUAL REALITY.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
  2. ScottCA

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKF5ZgBzick&w=640&h=360]
    Bill Myer and guests tear apart a creationist on TV

    September 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  3. Shannon in Vegas

    Religion is what happens when people who know nothing about science and reason are allowed to fill the vacuum with their hopes and dreams.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  4. James229

    Where does this obsession of 'wanting to believe in god' and 'NOT wanting to believe in god' come from? Logically, both creationism and evolution make absolutely no sense. Evolution is based on 'cause and effect', but if you go back to the very beginning of that theory you have to ask yourself the most important question, which is 'what was the cause of the first effect?'. A physical reality couldn't have created itself. So where did the first 'physical' thing come from? My hypothesis so far is that our physical reality was somehow created by a non-physical reality. The more we begin to understand consciousness, the more we'll be able to understand our own existence. But until then...what's the point in arguing over these 'two' ideas? The 'athiests' are preaching their 'faith in science' just as much as the religious people are preaching their 'faith in god'. Is there anyone who has their OWN idea for why we exist?

    September 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      It is easier to just be agnostic. We should all just acknowledge that we don't know much of anything and that we may very possibly will never know everything. But at least science is still trying to find the root causes of everything instead of just accepting some ancient, supersti-tious belief in an invisible deity....especially one that is going to PUNISH us if we don't believe in it!

      September 1, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Praise G.Zeus

      September 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • TheDukeOfHighwayJ

      Easy there, Tex; one thing at a time. Evolution adresses the variety of species (including us) we observe. Period. It doesnt address the origin of life, nor the origin of matter.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      I believe it started with a sneeze. At least that's what i read somewhere.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      James ... evolution is what happens "after" the initial creation of life from natural chemical reaction, evolution does not cause life to begin, it simply helps it adapt to a changing environment for survival of the best suited.
      and .. we all have our own ideas of why we exist but ideas do not make reality, coming up with an idea to answer why we exist is what caused religion. Observation and testing is how we answer the question .. if there is an answer.
      and no, creationism is not as illogical as evolution, creationism is purely illogical all by itself.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      @ G. Zeus ... I tend to agree with most of your posts. However, I can't agree with agnosticism in one regard ... it gives as much credibility to the existence of God(s) as it does to their non existence. I do not agree they are on equal footing of probability and reason. Your thoughts?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • James229

      If horses had Gods...so life was created from a natural chemical reaction? Where did these chemicals come from? Did they always exist? If you say 'yes' then how is that any different from religious people saying god always existed? You're saying 'chemicals' always existed while they're saying 'god' always existed. There's no logic in either of them, because we can't logically comprehend how something could have 'always' existed. Both science and religion are pointing towards the exact same answer that we can't even begin to comprehend. G Zeus...I like what you're saying.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      I just throw agnosticism out there because it might at least attract some interest from the religulous side. After all, I think I went through that phase on the way to being purely atheist. The point is, why does "god" matter when you can't observe "it"?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      James ... Not knowing where chemicals and elements came from puts me in the same boat with everyone else ... but we do know that chemicals and the elements DO exist whereas there is no reason to believe an anthropomophized God(s) exists ... get it?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • James229

      G. Zeus...I think we're all trying to make sense of something that makes no sense. One of the best qualities we have as a species is 'curiosity'. I agree with you, people shouldn't just accept something they read in a book. When I say book I mean the bible, text books, news stories, television, etc. We shouldn't blindly believe any of these sources. We should all feed our own curiosity and learn from our own experiences. I believe that is where we will find all the answers we're looking for.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  5. Beadles

    Mr. Nye – keep up the good work. Maybe a few people will *see the light* (ha ha.) Meanwhile, you can't have an intelligent conversation with idiots.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  6. lamb of dog

    Creationist scientist. That's an oxymoron.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  7. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Evolution is just silly since everyone knows that the universe is just so d@mn static and never changes! Yep. It's silly to think that a mere mechanical adding machine (Charles Babbage) or a paper punch card (Herman Hollerith) could evolve into vacuum-tube-driven, gigantic room-sized computers (like UNIVAC), or that could evolve further into a Commodore 64 using transistors, or further still into a modern computer with 8 GB of RAM, at least 333MHz of front-side bus speed, an independent graphics card with gigabytes of its own memory, with solid state flash drive support, touch screen, etc., etc.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • D

      Uh, dude, inanimate objects don't evolve.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      It's a concept and a snarky comment, DUDE. There is plenty of real evidence about real evolution, such as microorganisms adapting to drugs, polydactyly in humans, dogs evolving from wolves, let along fossils and carbon dating and DNA and......

      September 1, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
  8. If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

    The more I read the "logic" and "answers" from followers the more resolute I become in the need to be more outspoken. The more they preach .. the more I need to counter it with reason without apology.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      become atheism
      when will you start using reason?

      September 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Beadles

      If – absolutely!

      September 1, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  9. Rogue351

    Creationists, a monk sat down and added up what he considered to be the correct passage of time for events listed in the bible . Now that has suddenly become fact that stands to disprove years of research, math, observations and thousands upon thousands of very educated people work. We now have museums with people riding dinosaurs, the world as we know it only being 6000 years old and everything outside of our solar system an illusion put there by satan to test our faith. But these very same people will turn around and vote for a Mormon that believe that if you are good in this life. You will receive your own planet to rule over in the next life. A planet that exists in what creationists consider the illusions of Satan outside of our solar system? This one fact stands as proof positive that these people are in capable of rational thinking. It is really hard to imagine people are really this stupid. As Americans we really need to start putting more money into education and less into taking over other countries in an attempt to make them more like us.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      You're giving them too much credit for thinking about it ...

      September 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Ketzazu

      You have no idea of what creation is. Have you ever read the story of creation with understanding?

      The story hints that life on this planet can not be more than 6,000 years old according to our reckoning of time. The same lifespan goes for the sun, the moon, and the stars and else "above" us. However, the creation story that is reported in Genesis hints that Earth and waters are ageless: thousands, million, billion, trillion, or whatever number you may chose years old!!!

      For, The Intelligent Creator did not call waters and earth into existence as he did for the earth's landscaping that was put in place to sustain our life that He made from dust. His Spirit was already hovering over the waters before He called the Light that kindles the whole universe in an instant. The sun, as source of light, came after His Light lights up the farthest galaxies in an instant.

      Take time to read the genesis creation story with comprehension and intelligence and you will discover for yourself there is a lot of misunderstanding about the creation. Are you and the evolutionists intelligent enough to understand those fine prints in the story of Creation? I believe the Intelligent Designer has given you intelligence to understand. Make good use of it and go read the story of creation in the Bible. It is beyond any imagination. That is why God is God and not an easily proven demagogue like the so called scientists.

      To put it plainly: according to the story of creation in the bible, waters and earth are ageless: thousands, million, billion, trillion years old [pick one that suits you] but life on earth with her sun, moon, stars et cetera is just as old as our reckoning of time.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • End Religion

      @ketzazu: but, you see, we cannot apply "whatever amount of years we want" to the age of the planet and/or universe. We have a good understanding of the time period, currently 4.5 billion years for the earth and i think 14.5 billion for the universe. Science is based on fact and religion is based on beliefs. You can believe whatever you want but that simply doesn't make it true.

      September 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
  10. drkent3

    Remember – Christians also firmly believed at one point that the Earth was the center of the universe, and that the Sun revolved around it. Truth is not simply what you firmly believe, it is what you can prove. I find it unfortunate that too many people misuse the term 'truth' to mean what they want it to mean. It is no coincidence that advances in technology, medicine, mathematics, physics, and all other natural sciences has been more rapid in the few hundred years since the adoption of the scientific method than in all the thousands (and thousands) of years of prior human history.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      Its truthiness.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  11. ScottCA

    It i utterly frightening the level of ignorance that exists in the US due to religion over 40% of people are completely ignorant of the very basics of applied logic and reason. This is a terrifying level of ignorance.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      Its scary stuff.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • nope

      @scout...
      nope

      September 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • FKell

      Why do you think we keep getting idiots typically elected into office? The country is quickly moving towards "Idiocracy"

      Quote:
      "The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections. "

      September 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  12. rocinante

    Why do Creationists believe the Earth was created 6000 years ago? Howd they come up with that number?

    If they believe that God created the Earth 6000 years ago, but to trick us, he put fake 500 million year old dragon bones and fake 4 billion year old rocks in the soil and faked everything else to make it look like the Earth was actually created way earlier than 6000 years, why pick 6000 years old as your number?

    You could pick 20,000 years ago. After all theres just as much evidence of 6000 and 20,000 years (none).

    Or you could even pick 100 years ago, afterall he might have created the Earth with fake historical records of our non-existent grandparents.

    Heck, you could even pick 1 year ago. Maybe, the Almighty just created the Earth and stuck fake memories in all of our heads about an awesome ski vacation that we took in 2002, just to trick us into believing that the Earth wasn't created 1 year ago.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • SixDegrees

      The 6000 year age was derived by Bishop Ussher around 1640, although others had arrived at similar estimates. Their method was to examine the ages of characters in the Bible, the length of reign of monarchs mentioned there and to make use of similar literary facts to establish a chronology reaching back to the moment of creation as related in Genesis.

      For its time – before a formal scientific method existed, when there were no reliable tools for estimating the age of rocks or theories of geology to speak to deposition and erosion – it made good use of what facts were available from the only trusted source at the time. As research, it's a testament to Ussher's skill and knowledge of the verses, and it was no easy task to compile it.

      Of course, it was flat wrong. But it isn't right to sneer at those who made a diligent effort to arrive at some form of the truth using logic and reason, as those in the newly begun Enlightenment would do in just a few more years. Ussher's motivations and efforts were in the right place; those who believe such things today, however, are sorely misguided.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Beadles

      Roc – they've extrapolated that number, 6,000 years, from their interpretations of the Bible. As far as items that scientists believe to be older than 6,000 years (some creationists say 4,000 years) – the creationists believe the scientists are wrong or stupid OR it is all part of some government conspiracy (to what end – who knows?).

      September 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Ketzazu

      No creationist believe earth is 6,000 years old. They believe that life on earth and the elements above are as old as our current reckoning in time puts it.
      Read the genesis story to see if your assertion would make sense. Waters and earth are ageless according to the story of Creation. The question is can you and the evolution big bang peers deduce that conclusion after reading the story?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • End Religion

      Aketzazu: yet we know now that the Earth is not ageless. We've discovered its age. So stories based on the Earth being ageless are false. What you now need to decide is whether you're mentally prepared to move forward within the shackles of a religion in the face of that fact or not.

      September 1, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  13. Emilio

    Religion is the slickest trick ever devised by the evil human mind to keep the chronically mind-less zombies in their place whilst eating away their material substance.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • ScottCA

      Well said, Sir! That was poetic in its clarity. Absolutely correct.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Rick Springfield

      I like this analysis. The chance that humans evolved to be able to create a device that could be sent from Earth and land on Mars and send back motion pictures is the same chance that you could put random electronic parts and raw materials 3-foot deep on a football field and TNT it up and a fully equipped space shuttle would land on the field with the assembled parts.
      Humans are incapable of developing necessary intelligence for the achievements we have today.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • drkent3

      @Rick – er, were you responding to Emilio? Are you actually trying to claim that the probability of a being as intelligent as a human over a span of 12+ billion years (age of universe) is smaller than the probability that some omnipotent, omni-present, omni-intelligent being just popped into existence before anything else existed, and then proceeded to create everything else in just a few days?

      September 1, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Ketzazu

      Pickup a Bible. Get on your knees. Ask the One who inspires its content to open your mind so you can understand what you read. Read it for yourself, With prayer and understanding. Then, what is your opinion about not any religion but of the religion the Bible? The best way is really to find an audio version of the Bible. Start from Genesis. When you get distracted, start over again. It is just a story filled with case studies on how we came about about [as much as can be revealed for our comprehension. Man made out of dust from the ground? Too much science for me.] and where we're going.

      Keep away from the noises of pastors, priests, evangelists etc. Just study the book for yourself.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, I'm not going to get on my knees and study some book written by a bunch of men 2000 years ago. I'm going to read what science has to tell me.

      You want to remain ignorant, Ketz, you go right ahead. I choose to deal with facts and knowledge, not faith and mumbo-jumbo.

      You're welcome to your beliefs; don't attempt to pretend that they are necessary for me or anyone else.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • End Religion

      @ ketz: i'd rather study other fictional works, such as from Dr. Seuss. He's kinder than the gods in your fiction.

      September 1, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  14. Chip Fields

    Richard Dawkins once said, "Evolution has been observed. It's just that it hasn't been observed while it's happening." Operational Science is observable AND repeatable. Creation scientists do not have a problem with operational science. Historical science is another matter...it is interpreted by your presuppositions.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Since large scale evolution would appear to take millions of years to occur and therefore be observed, and since mankind has not been around that long, let alone with modern scientific knowledge and tools to make such observations, it is easy to understand that we may never get a chance to actually observe it while it is happening.....at least not for a long long time.....but by then who knows if we'll even still be around.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      About the most sane thing I've read here

      September 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • drkent3

      Evolution has been observed in organisms that produce large numbers of offspring with very short lifespans (think bacteria, for example). Not only that, but evolution has predicted the existence of creatures that whose fossils were later discovered. DNA mapping has shown that the interpretation of fossil evidence is consistent with what is in the genes. It is about as solid a theory as any in science – you know, that field which produced the computer you are using, the TV you watch every night, the car you drive every day, the energy you use to power all of these things... you know, science.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Chip Fields

      Do you think it is correct or incorrect to use scientific facts to infer that Pluto orbits the sun, even though its orbit takes far too long for us to observe it complete an orbit?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Moby, I have faith it will complete the orbit...do you?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And this faith is based on what, Chip?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      drkent3, that is amazing....the great Richard Dawkins claims we have not observed evolution while it is happening, yet you claim we have. You must be a genius.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Tom Tom, it is based upon the same operational science (observable and repeatable) that leads me to the conclusion that our morality, this world's design (in light of the 2LOT), and our existence (how we got here, in light of the 1LOT) has a common denominator.....a creator.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      and I must now go spend time with my son....he just bought an AR-15 and wants to try it out.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How is it observable?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Funny how all you great christian warriors are such chickensh itz that you run away when asked to come up with answers.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Programs based on the principles of evolutionary dynamics work and solve problems for me. I observe that all the time. Pity life happens in slowmo so we have to contend with people who can't wrap their heads around anything that happens in time that exceeds their attention span.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Ketzazu

      Evolution has never been observed and will never be observed. Pick any example of evolution and put it in a lab to observe the evolution. It will never happen in your lifetime neither in the future. The specimen will not stand the passage of time. Never. No one will ever witness a monkey becoming a human being.

      Oh! Evolution! Where is your observable evidence so we can replicate it? Until then you are no different from creationism!

      September 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ketz, you're wrong. It has been observed.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ketz: "No one will ever witness a monkey becoming a human being."

      Duh. Whoever said they would?

      September 1, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • End Religion

      @chip: Dawkins was talking about evolution in the sense of where he gets the most argument: from people who claim evolution is false because we don't observe monkeys giving birth to humans. That sort of evolution is unobservable in our lifetime because of the amount time it takes to generate the mutations (not to mention we don't come from monkeys but from a common ancestor that we'd likely call "a monkey", but i digress).

      But we do observe evolution in the simple mutation of a virus that grows to become immune from penicillin or many other drugs that initially kill it. Eventually the virus can evolve to become immune. And because there are so many generations of bacteria happening so fast, that evolution scenario doesn't take as long to observe as does "monkeys giving birth to humans."

      September 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
  15. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    If we didn't evolve, then "god(s)," (whatever its name(s) is(are), sure did make a lot of mistakes!

    Take wisdom teeth for example. Why is there usually not enough room on the human jawbone for wisdom teeth to fit? Was man not supposed to learn science, and therefore that acid, sugar, and oh.....BACTERIA, make a detrimental environment for tooth enamel, thus causing decay? Was man just supposed to continue living in ancient ignorance, without proper dental hygiene, so that many of our teeth would rot out, therefore making the wisdom teeth an advantage (albeit a temporary one since they would rot out too)?

    How stupid can a creationist be?!?!

    September 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      On a scale of 1 to 10. 11

      September 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Beadles

      lamb – beautifully stated.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  16. topfuel500

    It should be pointed out that through most of history, people did not understand a great deal about the natural world. We have acquired a great deal of that knowledge through observation and rigorous investigation. In every case, from conception to the hydrologic cycle, miracles once attributed to God, have been explained in natural terms. It seems unreasonable to presume a divine creator when virtually everything else has been shown to be of natural causes.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • RustyHinges8

      You're absolutely right. As man evolves...throwing rocks at the moon, and sacrificing to the "fire God"....myths and mysteries are falling away. Our minds are our best asset. We can actually cripple ourselves, just by believing we can't walk. We should believe in ourselves and our strengths, instead of using an excuse. How many people are curing themselves of diseases and illness through relaxation, or exerciese and inner confidence.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  17. ScottCA

    We are seriously still debating this? There is no debate. Science is the application of logic and reason to the natural world to predict events with accuracy. Faith is to believe in something for no good reason. Guess which one is the sane one. Thats right the one based in reason is sane. Faith is the opposite for reason, faith is an utter act of insanity.

    Evolution based on logic and reason is correct. The ancient book of faith based on no evidence and no good reason to believe it, is wrong.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Then, demonstrate your first principles....that is, where did all matter come from? If you can't, then you believe it just popped into thin air....sounds a lot like faith to me.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Wrong, Chips. Not knowing the answer to all questions about the beginning of the universe does not mean "goddidit." Except to people like you.

      In addition, evolution doesn't have a thing to do with the beginnings of the universe or the Big Bang. Why don't you know that? Do you even READ the responses here? This has been pointed out many times. Why don't you get it?

      September 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • nope

      @tom tom
      nope ,

      September 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Sorry, guess I'm pretty much an idiot

      September 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're certainly playing one on this blog.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Tom Tom, "reading the responses here" has little to do with my comments (your logic)

      September 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Tom Tom, futhermore, using your logic, not knowing the answer to all questions about the beginning of the universe does not mean God didn't do it

      September 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you have not yet figured out that the onus of proof is on the one who makes the claim, dear, then you haven't been reading the responses on this blog. If you had, you'd know that one cannot prove something doesn't exist. I can't prove that leprechauns don't exist. i don't have to. The burden of proof is on the one who claims they do.

      Bill Nye didn't say there was no god. You are making a straw man argument.

      The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of the universe. It has only to do with how species evolved over time.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you can produce evidence that an invisible, omnipotent being caused the universe to begin, please do so. The ball is in your court.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Tom Tom, he's on the other side of your computer monitor...go look...and by the way, if you don't see Him, He has moved

      September 1, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You want to be an azzhole, go right ahead. You seem to practice a lot on here.

      September 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • End Religion

      @chip: something does come from nothing. Watch it over and over.

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U&w=640&h=360]

      September 1, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ,

    September 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Prayer never made your prehensile tail disappear, did it?

      September 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • PrayerFull

      Prayer changes things...except those things that it does not change.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Templeton Foundation Prayer Study (a religious foundation)

      When post surgical complications were studied for the efficacy of prayer the conclusion was:
      1. Prayer had no effect.
      2. Those knowing they were receiving prayer had a HIGHER incidence of complications (59%).

      Question ... why (Just Sayin & HeavenSent) did you need to spam us again so soon?!

      September 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • ScottCA

      Hey prayer bot you are correct. Prayer changes a sane person into a insane one. faith is to believe in something without reason. Faith is the opposite of logic, it is an act of insanity.

      Prayer has been proven time and again to have 0 effect on anything, only a small placebo effect on illness when someone knows they are being prayed for. In other words you can get the same effect by taking a fake medicine sugar pill, that does absolutely nothing for you. It is all in your imagination.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven Again

      September 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • donna

      The scientific evidence is overwhelming that mediation/prayer can be a beneficial stress reliever. So yes, of course, it can change things. But not in a mystical way.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • End Religion

      I wish prayer would change my adult diaper. What a messy task...

      September 1, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  19. GenericMan

    Where is the video they made in response? Ugh, I want a video, not some link to a website.

    September 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • End Religion

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghtoPiAE1sA&w=640&h=360]

      September 1, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
  20. RustyHinges8

    How many of us have started a story with one person, but by the time it passed through 5 people, the story was completely different? How can we let a story dictate our lives, that has been retold over and over in primative terms? It was discovered that the Roman Catholic Church in the 11th century, actually rewrote verses of the Bible to reinforce its power and rule over the people. How do we know what is true? If Adam was made of dust, was it the dust ot the new universe? What does Adam represent?

    September 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
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