 |
|
|
|
 "The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET
Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own videoBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host. "Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.
Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories "At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God." Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible. The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom. "[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past." For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom. In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state. A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world. Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old. "The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video. Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years. "Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?" Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years. The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God. |
  About this blog
The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.  |
|
|
|
Evidence in support of evolution
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tQIB4UdiY&w=640&h=360]
There is not one single piece of evidence in support of intelligent design. There is no debate every major scientific body has accepted evolution as established fact.
Nye better hope the devil likes bowties...or he's in for a world of hurt!
Thank you for continuing to post this.
What devil?
That creature does not exist either.
I guess you believe in ghosts, and goblins and witches and bigfoot too huh?
People like you are who the scammers go after as you are stupid and should be seperated from you money.
This article states "the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth and the universe as 4.5 billion years old". WRONG. The Universe is much older. Closer to 13 billion.
Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.
Im totally OK with people believing in God but they need to understand it is not science, for the same reason that fixing a car is not called cooking.
Could you imagine how efffed up this world would be if we used the same "creationism" logic to design medicines
Their is no need to imagine, just read about medicine, and how it was viewed, during the dark ages.
So putting mud made with spit on someones face doesn't heal blindness?
Nothing like being stupid AND making a video to confirm it... You go, "creationists"... You go...
What proof is there in creationism? Stay and chat w/ us. It seems that everyone on your side give one post and runs off.
Oh, did I misconstrue what you said? I thought you were rooting for the creationists.
If there is no God, how do you exist? If there is no God, how could there have been evolution? I myself don't believe in evolution, but remember that everyone has different views. I knew an Atheist before I went to high school and I didn't say anything offensive to that person. I didn't mind his religious preference.
May I ask why you don’t believe in evolution? Like I said below, I have no problem if you don’t but how can you ignore all that evidence? Do you feel the bible is suppose to be taken literally?
So you are going with the argument form ignorance fallacy I see. Just because the answer to all of your questions is "I don't know" does not mean that "god did it". In order to get to that conclusion you need to provide evidence for gods existence.
Why do you equate a creator with a "God"?
What other options would there be? I suppose we could be created by aliens or something but then who created the animals? That is some deep stuff right there.
@CK. Who created god. If you think (s)he can just exist then why can't the universe just exist?
Tom wrote, "If there is no God, how could there have been evolution?"
Please explain why a god (any god) is required for evolution. Be specific. Use modern molecular biology. Include citations to actual peer-reviewed scientific research.
@ where does god go for vacation
We could very well just exist w/o a creator. Sam Stone stated, “Why do you equate a creator with a "God"?” If we’re assuming someone created us, then who else would do it besides a higher power?
@CK. I understood you to presume that only a god could create and then further presume that we were created; hence god must have created us.
"If there is no God, how do you exist?"
This is like saying "If there are no Unicorns, then how do horses exist?"...
I have only one thing to say to flat earthers and evolution deniers, GET AN EDUCATION, PLEASE!!
Bubba the Amazing, Keeper of the Evolutionary Truth, Defender of All that is Rational, and All-round Good Guy (or Girl, as the case may be)
I accept my new name. Now, if you meet someone with the name Bubba, you should assume they’re intellectually smart and believes in evolution.
I thought that intellectually smart (another thing that I find you wrote amusing because being smart is part of intelligence) people never assumed...they verify. For someone that says they just graduated college (which to me, someone who went to college, means simply that you can open books and copy down the answer that the professor of the class tells you is correct, hardly what I would consider independent thinking) you seem to have a very narrow grasp of what intelligence is all about.
That being said I find this issue with the Biblical book of Genesis amusing. Everyone is up in arms about it when all the book says is that God created a swarm of living things. There is no description in the book as exactly the writer meant.
Oh, I’m an independent thinker alright. In fact, I’m the most independent thinker on this entire site. Even more than Bill Nye! That said, I actually have no problem if an adult believes in the literal sense of the bible as long as they don’t brush it on their kids, just as Nye said in a different article. People can believe in whatever they want.
Also, I coined the phrase, “Intellectually smart” because some people are intellectuals and some people are both. But I am “Intellectually smart.
@Bubba
Who give a rats Azz what you think about what parents teach their kids??? ..Are U able to take care of a single one of their brats????
U have a right to your opinion but spare me the crap about what people do with their kids as long as they are breaking any laws they're ok with me!!!
but YOu 🙂 now I have a problem with the likes of U as much as I have a problem with people trying to tell a woman what to do with here unborn .....
Teaching creationism is something that is not approved by the science community. There is NO logical reason to support it.
If someone were to teach a child that 2 + 2 = 5, wouldn’t you have a problem with it?
I understand you perspective but I feel if parents promote creationism they will be shunning them away from science and school. Wouldn’t a child be less likely to embrace science if their parents are essentially speaking out against what they’re learning at home?
God is the dirtiest and most evil causing of all words.
Prominent creationists are about as credible as prominent ghost hunters.
HEY!
Yes, it's true: this original poster has no d!ck
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OgAXbyzP5g&w=640&h=360]
either that or a match
You know, just because they have a mental illness there is no need to belittle or humiliate them. That's just poor form. I find it offensive, would you put a copy of grim's fairytales in the toilet? Just think about it for a second what happend to you that you've become so envenomed?
Respect other people until they give you a reason for you to lose respect, it's not something to be earned. This kind of gerneral malice just isn't healthy, I feel sorry for you.
This is rich. Mr. Ham trying to argue with Bill Nye is like someone bringing a water balloon as their own weapon into a raging gunfight.
Oops. "own" should have been "only."
B"H
LET MY PEOPLE GO SENETOR HILLIARY CLINTON
AND PRESIDENT OBAMA. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW
LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW. WHAT WAS IS AND WILL BE
IN THE FUTURE. LET MY PEOPLE GO. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO.
B"H
PLEASE ASK THE CANDIDATE THE FOLLOWING QUESTION.
JONATHAN POLLARD HAS SPENT ENOUGH TIME IN PRISON.
IT IS TIME THAT HE IS PARDONED
@tuvia
Most countries don't take kindly to treason.
He's lucky he hasn't been executed.
B*H: How do you determine how much is enough time in prison?
He can rot.
Hillary Clinton is no longer a senator. What has an Israeli spy got to do with creationism?
And please, oh please turn off your caps lock. That's for children who haven't mastered lower-case letters yet. Are you a child? Or do you just think like one?
All is for the best. Believe in what we’re told. Blind men in the market buying what we’re sold. Believe in what we’re told, until our final breath. While our loving Watchmaker loves us all to death. – BU2B By the band RUSH
i have hairy monkey ba11s
Um, citation needed.
Here I am – how much more proof do you need?
Dear Bubba,
It is with all humility and sincerity that I apologize for soiling your good name. I am guilty of generalizing solely on the basis of socially constructed stereotypes. I hope that you will accept my humble penance.
Sincerely,
Rufus T.
As long as you’re willing to admit that I am better than everyone else here, then apology accepted.
Except me. Me.
You are indeed the best Bubba here.
Although I find Bubba lacking in hairy monkey ba11s, thus showing that he is imperfect, thereby NOT designed by an Intelligent Designer, thereby proving the theory of evolution.
Hang on – itchy. umm . . . . can someone give me a scratch, please? not asking for anything more – just a scratch.
Puppies and Bunnies are nice! Tee Hee
@JESUS: yeah puppies and bunnies make a delicious stew. mmmmmmmmmm nom nom nom. lol
@WASP
Bunnies are indeed delicious, but i find puppies to be to gamy.
@Huebert
Puppy meat should be marinated in the tears of young children for 8-12 hours and brushed with the blood of infidels before cooking to really bring out the flavour.
@Doc
Yuks, you sound like those who wrote the magic book!
Do you all know who else was known as Bubba? William Jefferson Clinton. That’s right the 42nd president of the United States had the nickname of Bubba. I guess getting accepted to schools such as Yale, Georgetown, and Oxford is the equivalent to going to a diploma mill college, right guys?
Or that being from the South really does brand you as an imbecile for life, even if you are not one.
I accept my new name. Now, if you meet someone with the name Bubba, you should assume they’re intellectually smart and believes in evolution.
I reckon y'all done gots more gooder grammer then I has.
Hey Doc, I resent that. I am a college graduate. I also have a VERY difficult time believing that you’re a real doctor. Unless, you’re a poop doctor. He he he.
nice name! – poop doctor – is that a doctor made out of poop, or a doctor who studies poop, or a doctor who looks after sick poop? You since, since we frightened away all of the creationists, we now must turn the probing beams of our intellect upon each other's posts.
Poop doctor is a discredited doctor.
I am not a gastoenterologist.
I hold a sacred theology doctorate from the University of Baptist Scripture.
That's right – I got an STD at U of BS.
Some religious schools are great. Like Notre Dame or Sacred Heart.
Those are schools affiliated with a particular denomination. That's not the same thing as being a "religious school."
Yeah, but I was right about that whole Clinton/Bubba thing.
Iffen you says so, Bubba. I wouldn't know-I'm a Yankee.
Look it up if you don’t believe me. It’s on his Wikipedia page.
Just b/c my name is Bubba doesn’t mean that I’m southern. In fact, I am also from the north.
There is also a wrestler known as Bubba Ray Dudley that was born in Queens.
I am so sick of the stereotypes.
In the real world that we live in, on average about 50,000 children starve to death every day for lack of food. I could list a hundred other stats to point out that if there is indeed a huge all-powerful, all-knowing being in the sky who loves us, He has a strange way of expressing his love.
It is far more likely that sometime in our distant past, probably in the Neanderthal era when Man began to develop language, someone witnessed lightning striking a tree and setting it on fire. He told others about the bolt of light coming from the sky, and their rudimentary brains began to imagine how huge and powerful must this man in sky be to be able to throw a bolt of fire at a tree. Hence the idea of God was born. Or Gods, plural, as in Greek mythology.
Of course, now we know better, and no longer believe in fairy tales. At least those of us who have evolved past the Neanderthals do. We are much more advanced, as we believe in a single God, not many Gods like our forebears believed. How ignorant they were! And how amazing that 2000 years later they still believe!
Belief in a single God? Please explain because I know of none.
Why is believing in a single god more advanced than believing in many? Doesn't it make more sense that there are gods responsible for different things, some bringing good while others bring evil, instead of a single god who brings both good and evil lording over an army of angels and archangels as well as devils and demons who are gods in all but name only? As witnessed by the mountains of theology produced in an effort to make the monotheistic systems work, polytheistic systems are simpler and more intuitive.
Why do people keep bashing neanderthals?
I bet they were quite bright, and far more open minded then your garden variety of republican/fundie.
Let's not denigrate them by comparing them to republicans and fundies.
How great is His love that he creates enough food for the entire world about 5 times over, that includes the food just in the USA that is double what could feed the entire world.
How great is our God, that he gives us so much land to live on that if everyone in the world can live on about 8% what is available to them.
Woe to those that do not feed the hungry or be hospitable to there neighbors in need.
Mike from CT
Meanwhile, we have made some species extinct by living on the fraction of land that we do. This is a population issue. Once our numbers reach 50 billion we really will be feeling the pressure and God's supposed blessings won't be at all evident.
Yeah. You'd think god would have to have some helpers. The ancients had it right. No single god could do everything. Every major corporation has many vice presidents, directors, etc to keep it running smoothly. I think the bible babblers have got it all wrong. We atheists should encourage them to increase the god count instead of reducing it to zero. What the hell, if one god is good, more is better, right?
@Rufus T. Firefly
HEY! MY NAME IS BUBBA AND I DO INDEED BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. I RESENT THAT STATEMENT OF YOURS.
Now, is Bubba a short form, like for "Bubbaliscious"? Or is it just Bubba? enquiring minds want to know. Oh, and the caps lock key on your keyboard . . . . ?
In my case, Bubba is short for Amazing!!!!
Sorry for keeping the caps on. I just get so emotional and I don’t know how to deal with it.
Also, it should be noted that there was a MSNBC poll out that showed that the majority of people named or nicknamed Bubba have a significantly higher chance of accepting evolution than someone with another name. I am not sure why we have such a bad rap.
I see that nobody else is daring to insult my pristine name now. Funny how everyone can bad mouth someone when they’re not around but when that individual shows up, everyone is as quiet as a church mouse.
Hey, Bubba – chill, man – i was trying to post a welcome to you and the CNN word Nazi filter kept denying my post. You shall henceforth be known as Bubba the Amazing, Keeper of the Evolutionary Truth, Defender of All that is Rational, and All-round Good Guy (or Girl, as the case may be)