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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

soundoff (5,973 Responses)
  1. Crash Moses

    You can't rationalize someone out of something they haven't been rationalized into.

    And to Mr. Marrapodi, the universe is estimated to be around 14 billion years old...not 4.5 billion as indicated in your article.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:25 am |
  2. John Richards

    When discussing creationism, Bill discounts a theory but doesn't prove evolution. It's sad that a religious bias gets made into a scientific discussion. Evolution still remains a theory simply because it cannot be repeated in a lab nor is there any proof today that we as humans are progressing/evolving biologically.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • sn0wb0arder

      seriously?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • Gadflie

      John, you really need to learn what the word "theory" means in scientific terms. It isn't what you think. Theory is as good as it gets in science. They don't do proof. Scientists leave that for math and religious types.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • Genie

      Bill doesn't have to prove evolution, it's already been proven. It's been proven with observable, testable facts, not opinions or beliefs. It's been tested, observed, and repeated. From Wikipedia: Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.

      Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

      September 1, 2012 at 2:06 am |
  3. geckopelli

    Fools and their folly are not easily parted.

    Nor are belief and ignorance!

    September 1, 2012 at 1:22 am |
  4. Chaos

    "At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

    UM, HE DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS NO GOD. HE SAID CREATIONISM (I..E. THE EARTH BEING MADE IN SEVEN DAYS) WAS BS. WHICH IT IS.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:22 am |
  5. Chicago Atheist

    Ken Ham said: "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

    Hmmmmm. let me see. Do I want to have faith (belief without evidence) in a book that was supposedly written (a god sat down to write a book?) by an omniscient and omnipresent god (who created the billion of galaxies in our universe, each containing billion of suns) who is really interested in focusing, in part, on sheep and virgins on one planet, located on the periphery of one arm of one galaxy in one small, small fraction of our universe? Really? Really?!

    Or, do I believe in the more plausible possibility that humans have used their intelligence and creativity to extrapolate a reasoned explanation of the creation and natural history of the universe based on evidence generated from the scientific method? I tend to gravitate to the notion that a hypothesis is more-than-likely correct if it has less assumptions than a competing hypothesis (you go William of Ockham...).

    September 1, 2012 at 1:21 am |
  6. barry

    its amazing that the likes of people like ken ham live every day with items and technology that was created by science and take it for granted, but when science in the form of anthropology and archeology come to there conclusions by years of hard work and dedication, they turn the other cheek, still trying to impose there beliefs on others. i say,, if you want to believe in something, thats great if it fulfills your life, as long as it doesnt affect the lives of others who beliieve differently. chlldren and adults alike should be taught what is known in our world, not what is nothing more than ideas with no basis in fact.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:21 am |
  7. akmac65

    flk.....Science "evolves" as do many human intellectual activities. It is "held to scrutiny and proof". As new ways of measuring and analyzing the world are created, science compares findings with past theories and assumptions. Hence the change in the perceived causes of diseases from curses or bad air (literally malaria), to viruses and other microbes.
    By definition a given religion is forbidden to "evolve", since it would no longer be that religion. The obvious examples are the many varieties of "Christianity" all claiming to be the true church. Not only do they all descend from the Catholic church, they actually all descend from Judaism , which descended from other localized beliefs of the time.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:19 am |
  8. Ben

    Oh man, when I read "hits back" I knew it was hyperbole. They didn't hit back so much as flail their usual rehashed defenses. Because their position is incapable of growth, because the only new material it gains is human-made. Just like their creator, just like their religion. The natural world is surprising us with undreamt of things every time we turn around. Religion can't do that because it's a work of human fiction.

    You can see the red flag the moment the creationist credits Dawkins first off in criticizing Nye. Why does he do that? Because that's how Creationists think. They have authority complexes and everything in their existence is a hierarchy. The fact that they are slaves, servants to the Almighty is core to their perspective on reality. So they project that onto guys like Nye, and other non-believers, and assert (very falsely) that Skeptic leaders are our Gods or Jesuses and that their books are our Bible.

    They can't widen their view even enough to attempt to understand the opposing position, so instead they project their own position onto it and attack that strawman. It's really pathetic that they haven't learned after decades of being shut down in debates on this topic.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:17 am |
  9. daniellenewyork

    To willingly believe something based on the simple fact that it then trumps the need for all further explanation is truly ignorant. If we truncated research and science to simply say things like "it's God's will" or "that's how God wanted it to be". We'd be dropping dead of the common cold. To simply explain something away through a blind faith with no proof or reasoning is exactly how the Puritans so freely hung women during the Salem Witch Trials, how 9/11 occurred, how the Romanov dynasty was so quickly able to fall through the involvement of Rasputin. Thousands and thousands of incidences resulting in millions of deaths across the world can be attributed to a blind faith in one deity or another. As humans in 2012, through the use of our advanced technologies and our potentially brilliant minds are we still seriously following this archaic concept of "the bible says so?". The bibles that people read today completely manipulated versions of incomplete and copied texts that were NOT WRITTEN BY GOD or EVEN HIS SUPPOSED SON. They were written by men telling stories, YEARS and YEARS after the events occurred. Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon were written by Paul while he was in prison... if Charles Manson were to write a bunch of stories down, would we all start worshipping those and start holding his word in such high regard? Think people, with the tools you have before you, think. Not with fiction, not with imagine, but with what's before you. We don't cure diseases by praying them away, we go to the doctor. Get with it, and stop the nonsense. You're holding the rest of us back, and yeah you're messing up your kids and what they might be able to achieve as tomorrows doctors and scientists.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:13 am |
  10. Chris, Austin

    The author doesn't even understand the subject she's writing about. The Earth is @ 4.5 billion years old. The Universe is over 12 billion years old. The blind commenting on the ignorant's fight against knowledge in an effort to hold power over the blindly ignorant.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      It's like they're shooting arrows at the sun.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:22 am |
  11. religious guy

    Ham is amazing!! he owned Bill Maher. I think you have to youtube " Bill Maher owned by sharp Christian "

    September 1, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Ham is a complete idiot.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • sn0wb0arder

      is that supposed to be some kind of a joke?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • realbuckyball

      If that's what you called "owned" you are in deep doodoo.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:20 am |
  12. memestryker

    "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" – Isaac Asimov

    September 1, 2012 at 1:10 am |
  13. steve

    "eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all" An eyewitness? Who would that be if man were not around to write that down? You really believe God's day is 24 hours long? For a God that has lived for ... forever ... do you think he really thinks about an "hour". A God's day is more like a billion years for us. So if God made the universe in seven days, maybe that is really 7 billion years in our time. Just don't try to limit what is shown by logical and proven science that earth is many millions of years old.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • Mike

      It is absolutely astounding how absolutely retarded you Christian apologetic ignoramiuses you truly are. Un-freaking-believable.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • flk

      mike. your offering was so much uh.. less "retarded"

      September 1, 2012 at 1:21 am |
    • Jeff

      Man was witness to the genesis account of the creation of the universe? God is all knowing and all powerful and yet when he relays a story to humans with an "Earth Day" he doesn't do a conversion so that we know what time scale he works on. Even poor uneducated mexican children know enough math to convert pesos to dollars .. but gOD isn't that bright? You know you don't have to go through mental flip flops like this, the real world is right in front of you ... it's not a fantasy with angles and spirits, wake up!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:27 am |
  14. James

    Wasp: There are stones in Peru that show (by 'drawings' on the stones) that man lived with Dinosaurs. Check out this youtube and wiki links:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lM4uJ12cDk
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones

    September 1, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • t3chn0ph0b3

      There are also drawings of men living with cat-headed gods in Egypt. As everyone knows, those are 100% accurate historical depictions of reality.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • satirical architect

      You're absolutely correct, James! In fact, did you know that we are living with dinosaurs even today!?!?!? WOW! I know, it's unbelievable. But I can actually drive less than a mile down the road and see a real living dinosaur! I could litterally drive, or even walk to one of my neighbors farms, look in their chicken coop, and see a dinosaur! Well, I mean, technically it's a chicken, but since you're so in tune with science I'm sure you already know that chickens have dinosaur DNA. Oh, and if I lived in Florida I could see crocodiles, which are dinosaurs as well.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Gadflie

      James, if you are serious, you should actually read that wiki link.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • Jeff

      Dude, the second bloody line in the link YOU posted ... "They are not considered to be genuine archeological artifacts but instead have been shown to be trinkets created by Peruvian locals as curiosities or hoaxes." ... come on man, use your brain for more than holding your hat up.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • Genie

      It amazes me how often fundamentalists will share links that DISPROVE their argument. Just goes to show you that fundies don't research anything. They believe what they're told by fellow fundies.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:32 am |
  15. Mark

    I don't believe evolution is possibe and I think it's been adequately proven that macro evolution from a single celled organism to modern man is utterly impossible There's not one exampe that even one step in that process has ever occurred in the natural world.
    Legitimate forms of evolution or adaptation and natural selection have always existed and are observable. Mixing in this notion that a living thing can mutate into a higher form of life is a way of cleverly disguising a magical atheistic dogma.
    Just based on the bible alone there is no way a person can say the earth was created in a 24 hour day. It makes no sense to argue that and the wording in Genesis infers that the earth along with the universe werre created long before attention turned to the earth specifically.
    I recently wanted a creation scientists lecture where he tried to go through all the instances of the translated word "made" and the translated word "Created" which are both found in the bible. He was trying to show that both words mean "Created". This is important to Young Earth Creationists because Genesis says god originally "created" the heavens and the eart long ago and during the so called "Creative days" he began "making the earth">
    ALthough he was tyring to show the words were interchangable what I saw from the examples was that they seem to mean two differen't things. "Create" seems to indicate that something already is in existance and just needs to be formed or built. Created seems to mean that a thing does not exist and is being brought into existance.
    However we got here is going to be a crazy and ridiculous tale. Atheistic evolution seems a hell of a lot more silly then a creator. I think most people are Atheists because they're really not thinking realistically about how incredibly absurd it is that we're here and we're conscious, living beings. Accidents and unguided forces don't accomplish that!
    Evolutionists like to throw bind boggling amounts of time on the problem like some sort of magical morphine that allows people to push the deep questions of life back so far that it becomes meaningless.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • Mark

      *"* *Made" seems to indicate that something already is in existance and just needs to be formed or built. Created seems to mean that a thing does not exist and is being brought into existance.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • Gadflie

      "I think it's been adequately proven that macro evolution from a single celled organism to modern man is utterly impossible" Present your "proof" please. This should be amusing.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:11 am |
    • t3chn0ph0b3

      Well reasoned professor. Sounds like the head of your doctoral board was Stimpson J. Cat.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:11 am |
    • memestryker

      So you're saying that magic is much more logical? This saddens me that so many actually think this way, but I can only think that believing such things afforded some survival value to the species.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • WGL

      What a space cadet, no wonder we are falling behind the rest of the civilized world as our young people descend into idiocy. Very, very sick and very, very dangerous. You should be ashamed.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • jay

      so the moral of your story is, you don't know, right?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • Aja

      "I don't believe evolution is possibe and I think it's been adequately proven that macro evolution from a single celled organism to modern man is utterly impossible There's not one exampe that even one step in that process has ever occurred in the natural world."

      Go read about how mitochondria came to be, if you want to start with one example of one step in the process. Of course, you will deny that as bunk science, because that's the only argument you have. God is a human creation. That's not a bad thing necessarily, but should be acknowledged. If it makes you feel better you have an imaginary friend protecting you from the boogeyman who makes you do bad things, go ahead. We all lean on something to help us cope with life. But sticking your head in the sand and saying "NO NO NO IT IS ALL LIES" when empirical evidence backs up an opposing view is...unwise.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Some people are just too stupid to be compatible with life.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • FelixCat

      Oh good lord. New species (of insects and plants, primarily) are created and old ones die out ALL THE TIME in the biological pressure cookers that are the rain forests. This is MACRO EVOLUTION. NEW SPECIES. It demonstrably occurs on a NEAR-DAILY BASIS. Get yer head out of the sand.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • Jeff

      Wow ... examples of evolution happening right now, the common cold virus, the influenza virus, XDR (extreme drug resistant ) microbes ... based on your logic there is no evidence that giant redwood trees come from saplings, because no human being has ever lived long enough to see that happen. Why do you work so hard to be willfully ignorant of the world right in front of you?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:34 am |
    • Mark

      I'm absolutely positive that you people are the ignorant ones and you've been brainwashed with crap science.

      I do have to say though that atheism has done wonders for your personalities!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:36 am |
    • Eric Sotelo

      @ Gadflie – Absolutely. I am in awe at the great level of stupid that exists among evolutionists and athiests.. It's brain numbing.. literally... 🙂

      September 1, 2012 at 1:41 am |
    • Mark

      ANd I honestly can't even be bothered getting into the science. I've looked up both sides of all these issues and figured out for myself what I think is more likely. I doubt any of you have. FOr instance, I don't believe andibiotic resistant bacteria has ANYTHING to do with evolution, Don't forget that scientists who believe in evolution came up with the definitions here. I can call all animals with wings "birds". Does that mean a damn thing though?
      Bottom line, I"m not wasting my time explaining things to people who can't even be bothered learning. NONE OF YOU would even bother reading anything I say with a view towards understanding my point.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:43 am |
    • akmac65

      Mark...Your first 3 words tell it all, "I don't believe." thus you identify your entire argument as opinion, nothing more. In addition, linking evolution to atheism equally invalidates your position. One does not have to be an atheist in order to accept evolution as a valid concept.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • redzoa

      "There's not one exampe that even one step in that process has ever occurred in the natural world."

      We have witnessed speciation, the change from one species population into two closely related but genetically isolated populations. We have also witnessed the rapid and dramatic evolution of "new information" manifested in novel anatomy and behavior.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm

      I can never decide which is worse, the ignorance or the arrogance...

      September 1, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • redzoa

      @Mark – Feel free to write up your arguments that dismantle the evolution of antibiotic resistance in microbes and submit it to any relevant scientific journal. I'm sure with your years of research in the area, you've single-handedly confounded 75 yrs of microbiology, pharmacology and medicine.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:54 am |
    • Genie

      Here's a new phrase for you, Mark, "circular logic." Creationism is true because the bible is true. Hmm, and the bible is true because ??????

      Macroevolution is happening and being observed RIGHT NOW. In our lifetime. Here's one great example: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/10/22/natural-selection-and-macroevo/

      September 1, 2012 at 1:55 am |
  16. david G

    "[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

    I wonder exactly what he is teaching about evolution,That it is wrong? sounds like it to me IMHO

    September 1, 2012 at 1:05 am |
  17. JS

    My favorite part is that Nye allows both voting and commenting on his YouTube video, the rebuttal allows neither. That says it all, folks...

    September 1, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • memestryker

      Yes, it does. "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" – Isaac Asimov

      September 1, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • barry

      touche to JS...i agree

      September 1, 2012 at 1:13 am |
  18. Kalamazoo Mom

    We are always hearing about Christians believing the Bible's account of creation. What does the Koran say? Do Muslims believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old?

    September 1, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • sn0wb0arder

      muslims share the same abrahamic god as christians and jews, making their creation story similar.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  19. sn0wb0arder

    i expect one day it will be determined that religious spirituality is just another of the traits which make up an individual. some part nature. some part nurture. that instills in a person that "feeling" of spiritual connection. probably not significantly different than the trait which instills in an individual an attraction to ones own gender.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:01 am |
  20. Nemo Amicus

    How can you fit a Bronze Age cosmology into a 21st Century world view?
    I can't...

    Nemo Amicus

    September 1, 2012 at 1:00 am |
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