Can Mitt Romney’s evangelical ambassador seal the deal before Election Day?
Mark DeMoss and Mitt Romney at Liberty University, where Romney delivered the commencement address in May.
September 1st, 2012
10:00 PM ET

Can Mitt Romney’s evangelical ambassador seal the deal before Election Day?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Tampa, Florida (CNN) – The task of selling a Mormon presidential candidate to evangelical America has fallen to a public relations man who’s not even getting paid for what may be the toughest sales job of his career.

For six years, Mark DeMoss has served as Mitt Romney’s unofficial evangelical ambassador, making the case that born-again Christians should help elect the first Mormon to the White House.

It has often been a lonely job.

During this year’s primaries, DeMoss found himself addressing audiences of evangelical leaders in which nearly everyone was rooting for another candidate: Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry – anybody but Romney.

“It would have been tough for anyone other than Mark,” says Richard Land, the public policy chief for the Southern Baptist Convention, remembering how DeMoss performed in one hostile setting last January. “The audience was stacked for Santorum and Gingrich.

“But he has a lot of street cred with evangelicals,” Land says of DeMoss. “He understands us because he’s one of us. So he did great.”

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Now that Romney has outlasted the other candidates to become the Republican nominee for president, DeMoss is using that street cred to help the candidate close the deal with evangelical voters in the weeks before Election Day.

It’s unclear whether he will succeed.

Polls show that although most evangelicals have come around to Romney, there’s a sizable chunk who have not. With those voters making up a huge part of the GOP base in swing states like Ohio, Iowa and Virginia, whether DeMoss’ gambit works could mean the difference between an Obama or a Romney White House.

For DeMoss, who is officially a senior adviser to the Romney campaign, the stakes of his work go well beyond electoral politics. He’s trying to open the American evangelical mind.

“I took this on to tackle prejudicial attitudes,” DeMoss says, explaining how he approached Romney about running for president in 2006, convinced that the then-Massachusetts governor was the most qualified man for the presidency that he’d ever seen.

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“I discussed it with Romney the first time we met,” he continues, sitting in his room at the elegant Vinoy Resort and Golf Club in St. Petersburg, his home during the convention. “It bothered me that some evangelicals said they couldn’t support a Mormon for president. As a public relations guy, I wanted to change that mindset.”

Which is why DeMoss was in front of the North Carolina delegation at the convention Monday morning, arguing that it’s unfair for some Republicans to insist on a presidential nominee with whom they agree about everything.

“My advice to those folks is perhaps you should run yourself the next time,” DeMoss told the evangelical-heavy delegation in a Hilton Hotel ballroom, still abuzz about a powerhouse speech that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie had delivered a few minutes earlier.

“My wife and I have been married for 24 years,” DeMoss said, “and I don’t agree with her on everything.”

Looking professorial in tortoiseshell glasses, a blue blazer and a white polo shirt tucked into khakis, DeMoss never mentioned religion or Romney’s Mormonism.

But you could tell it was a big part of what he was talking about.

It’s why he told the delegation that he has prayed with Mitt Romney and shared scripture with him and has even sought parenting advice from Romney and his wife, Ann.

After years of traveling and visiting with the Romney, DeMoss told the crowd, “I trust his values - for I’m fully convinced they mirror my own.”

It might not sound like much, but an evangelical Christian vouching for a Mormon’s values in front of ballroom full of fellow believers can be a powerful thing.

At least that’s the hope.

Lessons from the Moral Majority

DeMoss developed an appreciation for Mormons from a somewhat unlikely source: the evangelical giant Jerry Falwell.

He enrolled at Liberty University, Falwell’s school, in 1980, the year after his father died of a heart attack. Falwell, a fundamentalist preacher, would become like a second father.

DeMoss’s dad had been friends with Falwell – DeMoss says it’s unclear if the insurance marketing company his father founded, National Liberty Corp., helped give Liberty University its name – and Mark found work in Falwell’s office after graduation.

By the time he was 23, DeMoss was serving as Falwell’s chief of staff and spokesman, helping his boss run a growing evangelical empire that included the Lynchburg, Virginia, university and a new organization Falwell had helped found: the Moral Majority.

The organization aimed to bring evangelicals back into the political fold, after millions of them had spent decades sitting out elections, convinced that politics were a dirty, ungodly business.

“We traveled the country, challenging pastors to get involved. He outworked staff  that were half his age” DeMoss says of Falwell, who died at 73 in 2007.

Mark DeMoss with Jerry Falwell at 1992 Republican Convention in San Diego, California.

Falwell taught him how political organizing works, from the grassroots to the very top. He took him to meetings with President Ronald Reagan, whom the Moral Majority had helped elect, and President George H.W. Bush.

Among the most important lessons Falwell taught, DeMoss says, is that politics is the art of the possible.

“You’d be hard-pressed to find someone who was more politically conservative than Falwell, but he became increasingly pragmatic,” DeMoss says, eating blueberries from a plastic cup in his hotel room. “He was more practical and open-minded than a lot of people saw.”

As he waged crusades against abortion and for prayer in schools, Falwell proudly linked arms with non-evangelicals. While others in the burgeoning Christian Right wanted to organize only among their own flocks, the Moral Majority chief pushed an idea called co-belligerency: people of different religious backgrounds setting aside theological differences to pursue common political goals.

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“A lot of people forget this or didn’t know it to begin with, but the Moral Majority was a coalition of evangelicals, Catholics, Jews and Mormons,” DeMoss says. “It was not an evangelical organization.”

Mormons consider themselves to be Christians, but some evangelicals and other traditional Christians disagree. While Mormons treat the Bible as Scripture, they also consider the Book of Mormon to be a holy book

There are other big differences between Mormonism and traditional Christianity, including the Mormon belief that the modern prophets of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can receive revelations from God. Traditional Christians believe that the period for such revelations is over.

But Falwell’s insistence on coalition building with Mormons and others stuck with DeMoss long after he left the Lynchburg in 1991 to start his own Christian PR firm in Atlanta.

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The firm, called the DeMoss Group, took Falwell as its first client and quickly added business from big Christian groups like Chuck Colson’s Prison Ministries, Franklin Graham’s Samaritan’s Purse and Christian Crusade for Christ.

More than 20 years later, those groups are still with DeMoss.

“What makes Mark different than a lot other guys in this business is that he’s independently wealthy,” says Graham, who notes that DeMoss’ wife, April, is also from a family that started an insurance company.

“I find him to shoot straight because he’s not trying to keep my business,” Graham says. “I think he’s more concerned with trying to be honest. He will bill you and then at the same time he’ll make a big contribution back to you.”

Mark DeMoss with the Rev. Franklin Graham, a client since 1991.

Though DeMoss has kept his work for Romney, which is unpaid, separate from the DeMoss Group, the relationships he built over decades through his PR work are key to selling Romney to evangelical leaders.

Graham had never met Romney before DeMoss arranged for 15 conservative Christian leaders to visit Romney’s Massachusetts home in 2007, when he was preparing to make his first run for president.

As the leaders took turns introducing themselves, many volunteered that they had traveled to Romney’s home mostly because DeMoss had asked them.

By the end of the meeting, Romney had made some new friends.

“Sometimes on TV someone can appear one way but when you meet them face to face you see the personal side of him,” says Graham, recalling the meeting. “After I met Governor Romney I liked him very much and even more l liked his wife and his marriage and his commitment to family.”

As for theological issues that interested some of the evangelicals, Graham says Romney “answered those questions extremely well.”

Since then, DeMoss has helped evangelical leaders not only become more comfortable with the idea of a Mormon in the White House but also with Romney’s evolving position on issues like gay marriage and abortion.

“He’s absolutely trusted as a pro-life person,” Land says of DeMoss. “When he says Governor Romney is pro-life, that means something. That helps.”

Land is among the many evangelical leaders who use DeMoss to relay concerns or advice to the governor.

“Mark’s a trusted negotiator,” says Land, who had dinner with Romney and DeMoss last year.

Though Romney’s 2008 campaign was unsuccessful, DeMoss counted it as a victory that no major evangelical figure came out against him over his faith, even if few publicly endorsed his campaign.

Four years later, there still aren’t many prominent evangelicals who’ve come out publicly for Romney.

And there are questions about where Romney stands with rank-and-file evangelicals. A recent Pew poll found that, while most white evangelicals support Romney, a quarter are uncomfortable with his religion. Just one in five in that group are strongly pro-Romney.

Ten weeks before Election Day, it’s not where a Republican nominee wants a key part of his base to be.

Visiting Salt Lake

DeMoss’ case for why evangelicals can enthusiastically support a Mormon candidate echo Falwell’s arguments about why evangelicals and Mormons should be political allies.

It goes like this: If evangelicals are OK with seeing a Mormon doctor or flying with a Mormon pilot, DeMoss reasons, shouldn’t they be OK with a Mormon president? We’re electing a commander-in-chief, not a pastor-in-chief, right?

Plus, fixing the national economy – the No.1 issue in this election – doesn’t really have anything to do with religion.

In fact, DeMoss was drawn to Romney because of the candidate’s unusual breadth of experience as a businessman, governor and Olympics Committee chief with dual degrees from Harvard.

“On a personal level and a spiritual level, I might care a great deal about what somebody believes doctrinally,” he tells NPR during a phone interview from his room at the Vinroy. “In the case of presidential election, I don’t care.”

After hanging up, DeMoss stays on that point: “I hope I’ve shifted a conversation about the religion of a candidate to one about the values of a candidate.”

DeMoss says that voting on the basis of a candidate’s faith is dangerous and inane. He notes that three of the most successful politicians from his own denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention, are all Democrats whom many evangelical loathe: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore.

Since January, DeMoss has spent about half his time making such arguments, stressing to clients that the work is not official firm business. Still, he suspects that some potential clients have skipped signing up with the DeMoss Group because its founder and president is pushing a Mormon candidate.

April, his wife, who’s checking her iPhone on the bed of DeMoss’ hotel room, says they’ve lost a few friends over Romney, too. But they’ve also made new Mormons friends, and have developed a deep appreciation for the Mormon faith.

On the van to the hotel to address the North Carolina delegation, Mark and April trade stories with their Mormon driver, a convention staffer, about their respective visits to Salt Lake City, where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is headquartered.

Later, DeMoss talks about being turned off by the evangelical street preachers he’d seen on the street corners there, preaching to Mormons in town for the church’s annual general assembly. How could such evangelizers hope to convert anybody in the 30 or so seconds it takes to wait for the light to change?

For DeMoss, the episode represents a civility deficit when it comes to the evangelical treatment of Mormons. He sees his work with Romney partly as a corrective.

Whether DeMoss can help soften the evangelical line toward Mormons is an open question. So is whether he can get enough of his brethren to go a giant step further and vote for a Mormon for president.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Christianity • Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

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  1. bible is B---S---

    I get a kick out of the tea party, white supremacist and KKK who worship a likely gay and black jesus. If that isn't a tell all.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • edweird69

      I like your posts thus far. You're saying stuff, I never even thought of... and they're true, and humorous.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • obrien

      Uh, it's Obama who want's gay marriage. It's Hispanics who have the largest and most murderous drug cartels, that have killed more people than the KKK ever has. You are a racist and hate whites and you blab on like you are so pure. Hypocrite, racist and bigot.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  2. Thomas

    It isn't prejudice. Romney has chosen to live a sinful lifestyle. It is nothing more than a cult that dictates everything they can and cannot do, including their own bigotry and racism. Anyone who thinks Romney is a "Christian" needs to wake up, because when the Mormon church leaders tell him to go jump in a lake, he will be doing it without question. Individuals in the Mormon church don't control their actions. They do as they are told by the leaders of the church.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • bible is B---S---

      'Sin' is silly jargon. We care about what is legal in this country.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • obrien

      God loves all his children. You aren't a good "Christian" either.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  3. bible is B---S---

    Let's see.. God, the super powerful, needed 6 days to create the universe. Why six days? Should have been instant. And a 7th day for rest? A tired god? If this doesn't say man-made concoction.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • edweird69

      Yeh, th ebook is riddled with contradictions.
      . God is tired and rests
      Ex 31:17
      God is never tired and never rests
      Is 40:28

      September 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • πολεμικός

      This belongs under Creationism, but Mitt Romney either believes it or lies about it.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • John

      That's why it's obviously a book of myths written by prmitive bronze age man. One must be force fed the garbage from childhood in order to actually believe it.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • bible is B---S---

      "Is 40:28' another of mans deceptions. Quoting proves zero, common sense has greater value.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • albert

      You can take a scientific book, take little clips of it, and come up with the same nonsense that you are coming up with about the Bible. You clearly do not know what "Days" is referring to. The Bible does NOT say that the Universe was created in six days either. Gods "Day of Rest" does not mean rest in the way humans rest. You need to read the Bible in it's entirety and study it before making uneducated comments about it. Did you know that the Bible says the world is round (Isiah 40:22)? Did you know that Christmas, Easter, The Rapture are nowhere to be found in the Bible. The Cross, the Virgin Mary, saints, and other forms of Idol worship are against what the Bible teaches? My point is, the Bible is accurate. Religion on the other hand has become an plague to the earth just as the Bible predicted it would. Do you know that the Bible prophecies that religion will be destroyed? Of course you wont hear thos words in a church.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  4. cary lacayo

    What a person believes and trusts in with their life should definitely matter especially when it comes to being the president. In this case with Romney, one just needs to simply Google – Mormonism to see the insanity behind and through out the whole belief system. In fact the founder was hunted and killed for his actions and that's the person all Mormons look to as the true apostle/prophet/messenger of God. The first thing we should do as mere humans is fact check a persons ideas, opinions and definitely statements supposedly from God. What Mormons believe and trust in changes what the Bible has to say which is strictly forbidden and the things this false prophet stated are simply wacky. Yet, people to this day follow it as if it is truth even though the facts are there in plain sight. They have changed up the writings or beliefs to fit society too, shoot, that's a big red flag! The multiple wives thing, racial issues regarding accepting blacks into Mormonism and all of the secretive things that are done in there temple should be enough to define Mormonism as a cult! I felt so bad for the family of a friend I know that couldn't attend their own son's wedding due to these secretive ceremonial rituals that take place in the Mormon temple. So sad that he went for the lies because he loved this girl, I guess love will make you blind to the truth...I am a Latino and family is always #1and so it really crushed my heart to see that happen to his mom and dad that aren't Mormon so their out!

    Why doesn't Romney come out and speak about what the book of Mormon has to say ? Why doesn't anyone expose what it says? The democrats will or some affiliated group will expose the insanity behind Mormonism. Sad that Christians are not standing against its falsehood, but just standing with him due to his stance against gay marriage and abortion.

    Obama says he believes in the God of the Bible and what it teaches. Oh but yes, he is for gay marriage and abortion. He is for those things being a persons choice that they make on their own not by force driven by a law. If people want to live by certain standards that to some are firm and without any wiggle room as in gay marriage and abortion, then they should also stand against the blatant false teachings of Mormonism and stand against it as a proven cult. They obviously wouldn't vote for Obama, so that leaves not voting at all which some are considering. During the 2008 presidential race a well known Christian writer and family counselor – James Dobson said he would' be voting based on the choices then...He eventually folded in and voted for Mccain...

    Obama based on what he has said from his own mouth in professing to be a believer in Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Bible make him closer to God than Romney who believes in something totally different. One could say that Obama's interpretation and understanding is off based on the two issues I referred to earlier regarding a persons choice. He still doesn't come any where close to the absurd false teachings that Mormonism proclaims.

    Bottom line, Mormonism is a cult, it is a false religion that has taken many people over the cliff. I hope and pray for true exposure to be brought forth to everyone that has believed in its lies. We will all face God one day when we leave this earth, if you believe that? If you do then the question God will ask of you is this...Why should I allow you into My Kingdom? Your answer should be: Jesus Christ died for my sins, He took on the penalty and payment due for my sins on the cross which made me forgiven and allows me to enter Your Kingdom...Believe and trust in that truth every day and you'll be fine

    September 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • πολεμικός

      "Why doesn't Romney come out and speak about what the book of Mormon has to say ?"

      Mitt Romney knows that it would not be in HIS best interest to proclaim and defend the Mormon faith.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • bible is B---S---

      but christain and muslim are just as silly. In fact they are all the same.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • mama kindless

      All religion is a cult.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • dre

      Well if Google says it, then it must be true... they say trust God, not the arm of flesh. ..now we should only trust in our holy search engine which can only contain that which is true and never written by just anyone.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • ConfucianScholar

      You sound like the typical ignorant alcoholic ex-gang member who "found Jesus" and now talks like a nut case. Truth is Mormonism isn't any more wacky than the rest of christian mythology. I wonder how may shops have you robbed and how many people have you killed.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • obrien

      Did it ever dawn on you it's not the 1800s anymore. Google all you want, but if you stay in the 1800s you can babble on all you want and miss out on reality. Your dogmatic rant is more frightening than any mormon church could ever be.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • obrien

      By the way I guess Obamas church is more your style.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Bob Loblaw

      Obama admitted his Muslim faith on national TV with his own lips.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Bob – false, but you already knew that.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • tallulah13

      So Obama isn't allowed to misspeak, bob? Bush did it all the time.

      This following poem is composed entirely of actual quotes from George W. Bush.

      Make the Pie Higher

      I think we all agree, the past is over.
      This is still a dangerous world.
      It's a world of madmen
      And uncertainty
      And potential mental losses.

      Rarely is the question asked
      Is our children learning?
      Will the highways of the internet
      Become more few?
      How many hands have I shaked?

      They misunderestimate me.
      I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
      I know that the human being and the fish
      Can coexist.

      Families is where our nation finds hope
      Where our wings take dream.
      Put food on your family!
      Knock down the tollbooth!
      Vulcanize society!
      Make the pie higher!
      Make the pie higher!

      source: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bljokebushpiehigher.htm

      September 2, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Bob Loblaw

      @ Midwest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw

      September 2, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Bob Loblaw

      @ Tallulah: Misstatement is not Freudian Slip.

      September 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  5. truth

    amazing to read people arguing their delusions here. Then again, most religious believe they never evolved. I'd have to agree and the posts here are a good validation of that.

    Really would wish they would evolve though and join the rest of the civilized world.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  6. noChoice007


    Problem is that even if you're white, you won't fare extremely well voting for republicans only. As a amatter of fact, a lot of white people have been going on a free ride lately.
    Please note that in an all white society, only the WASP's with fine facial features rise to the top. See, for the nordicisits, not all whites are created equal. If you are Irish, Italian, Greek, Eastern European, etc... you would be second tier in such a society. Only the nordics rise to the top. If you want a society like this , then my friend, you are on your own.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • obrien

      Just when I thought it couldn't get any wackier.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
  7. Ken

    Looks like DeMoss has forgotten, or ignores Galations 1:6 – 8. Let another that says he has another gospel be condemned. In fact, this is a rare occasion that the Bible re-states for emphasis to avoidet the Joseph Smith's of the world.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Robert

      Joseph Smith NEVER said he had another gospel.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Proclaiming that Jesus came to the Americas is not proclaiming new gospel?

      September 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Galatians 1:6-9

      6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

      September 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • mama kindless

      self-proclaimed "apostle" Paul RUBBISH = Joseph Smith RUBBISH = RUBBISH

      September 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Dorothy

      Galatians 1:6-9,

      “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, for I am the great and powerful OZ!"

      September 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  8. MagicPanties

    According to Mormon's, JC was a polygamist.

    Oh, and so much more crazy stuff. Look it up.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Robert

      I'm a Mormon, and this is all news to me. Never heard of such a thing.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • MagicPanties

      2 funny.
      How about planet Kolob?
      Haven't heard of that either, eh?
      Magic underwear?
      A simple google search will point you to many, many sites that discuss Mormon belief in JC polygamy, and lots of other neat stuff.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • obrien

      Why don't you all quit looking Mormonism up, go to the church, study the faith, look around with an open mind, then spout off. So far most of you "Christians" sound hypocritical and just plain pathetic. I thought God loved everyone, but not you Christians. Recite scriptures all day and it doesn't make you any better than the aspersions you are casting at anothers faith and love of God. If it makes you fell more self-rightous to use the term cult go ahead, it only makes you appear to think you are the only one who knows anything, and it's obvious you don't. You are starting to look like a bunch of sickos.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  9. Dre

    Those that believe in the Bible, but knock Mormons for practicing polygamy their first 10 years are nuthin but hypocrites!!!!

    Go read your Bible again! Abraham,Isaac, jacob,etc. etc. These guys all had multiple wives.

    While I personally don't like the concept, I don't condemn them for it. My problem is that I sit here and read all these comments by evangelical or Baptist dudes about how bad the Mormons are, and that they adulterate, etc. Yet, the very same prophets they worship in the Bible did the very same thing!! Oh wait...that's different because Abraham didn't call himself a Mormon.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • MagicPanties

      Yes, all organized religions are nutso, that is true.
      But the Mormon's, wow, they go the extra mile (or, lightyear).
      Aliens from the planet Kolob? Really.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • edweird69

      Good point! Al religions practice some sort of hypocricies, I'm sure.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • seenenough

      Well said.....I am always amazed at the number of people who view themselves so pure that they can pummel a man with rocks....They Romney Victory will be settled soon enough.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Robert

      Tell me again now, where the Mormons mention ANYTHING about aliens anywhere.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  10. truth

    religion is truly annoying. I treat it as p-o-r–n and keep it away from children. If when the child becomes an adult, then let them pick. However the religious don't like that since brainwashing works far better when you start on children. How sad and how abusive to children. Please evolve.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • seenenough

      have been raised by religious parents, please know that your comment is not even close to the truth. Please evolve and try some tolerance. Your ignorance is holding you back.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • mama kindless

      good approach "truth"

      September 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  11. noChoice007

    Robin, if you belong to a majority white church, you are in favor of ontrolling the budget; if you think that the poor and illegals are flooding the schools, hospitals and other public services. In other words, if you are a conservative as we know it.
    you are against abortion.
    Then I think your problem is one of lack of logic.
    You stop the abortions and the unproductive masses will multiply making it harder for the government to help them out.
    Religion is about trying to do the best for our neighbors, it's not about solving the world, if you come to me and tell me that God has spokenb you you and that he has commended you to solve the world, I will write you off.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • edweird69

      "Religion is trying to do best for our neighbors". Umm.. bet there's some gay people that would sooooo disagree with that statement. Not to mention the other horrors religion has inflicted on its "neighbors".

      September 2, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  12. Wire Palladin

    I think "by their fruits, ye shall know them" is very applicable here.

    You have many people trying to argue or judge the Mormon, and tear them down because he doesn't follow what you interpret the Scriptures to be. ....reminiscent of the saducees and Pharisees.

    Then you have the Mormon who spends majority of time anxiously engaged in service...loving God and his neighbor. This is not a stretch...per capital, Mormons give more to charitable efforts than any other group. They also are hard working, honest, leaders, and very kind people. Perhaps these Mormon people should be put to death because they don't interpret all doctrine the way a bunch of mortal men did when the got together and "voted" on what to keep in the Bible.....and this happened over 100 yrs after Christ was gone.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • MagicPanties

      No one is saying Mormon's should be put to death.
      Get a grip.
      It's just that Mormonism is certifiably wacko, that's all.
      Sheesh, chill out on Kolob or whatever.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • truth

      key magic,, like all religions. People need to realize that it is people who do good deeds, not religions. Religions do like to steal from the good hearts of others and claim it as their own, how dishonest.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Wire Palladin

      You missed the irony in your words @magic panties.

      You interpret the Bible according to your own imperfect convictions. Which isn't a bad thing. However you are quick to persecute those people (mormons) who interpret it different. Again I see you in similitude of the saducees and Pharisees who saw Christ as not accepting and following the Scriptures as they interpreted them.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • albert

      That's a lot of words that mean absolutely nothing. Romney is a liar. If he told even half the lies in his church as he has during his campaign, he would have been excommunicated. Mormons as a whole do NOT bear good fruit. They still practice a lot of the the same pagan rituals and Greek mythology as many so-called "Christians". The fact that they added to the Bible and have a book that supersedes the Bible make them non-christian.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Wire Palladin

      Whatever you say Pilate. 😉

      September 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
  13. Robert

    Those who think there is no difference between voting for Obama or Romney,
    I'd just ask you to keep five things in mind:

    1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78

    2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year

    3.. Justice Breyer turned 76 last month

    4... Justice Ginsburg turned 81 awhile back.

    We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court — in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges – all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.

    If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, you must be smokin’ something funky… (Hear that, Ron Paul supporters?)

    5. So, for anybody who is thinking of NOT voting for Romney ... Imagine this:


    Eric Holder,
    Hillary Clinton,
    Michelle Obama,
    Nancy Pelosi,
    Janet Reno,
    Al Sharpton,
    Jesse Jackson,
    George Soros (he ain’t doing what he’s doing for nuttin’),
    Occupy Wall Street Organizer Cecily McMillan,

    Just to name a few!

    Be afraid my friends, be very afraid!

    September 2, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Absolute hogwash – you should be embarrassed, if you have the capacity.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • MagicPanties

      Your point is valid, but the conclusion is wrong.
      The thing to be very afraid of is a republican making supreme appointments.
      If you want women's rights further eroded and an entrenched rich, white male ruling class, then yeah vote for the Mormon.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Rick

      Think about this non-Ron Paul supporter: You had the chance to send a man to the white house who could actually turn things around. You choose Romney instead. Live with it.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • noChoice007

      Problem is that even if you're white, you won't fare extremely well voting for republicans only. As a amatter of fact, a lot of white people have been going on a free ride lately.
      Please note that in an all white society, only the WASP's with fine facial features rise to the top. See, for the nordicisits, not all whites are created equal. If you are Irish, Italian, Greek, Eastern European, etc... you would be second tier in such a society. Only the nordics rise to the top. If you want a society like this , then my friend, you are on your own.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Commenter

      Nominees to the Supreme Court must be confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

      "As of 2010, 151 people have been nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court. Twenty-nine nominations (which includes one promotion) have been unsuccessful on at least the first try."


      September 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • albert

      So it's better that Romney appoints a Mormon prophet? One who can and will influence a Romney decision by playing the "God told me card"?

      September 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Bob Loblaw

      Breyer should be dispatched. No love lost on that guy's exit.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • What IF

      "So it's better that Romney appoints a Mormon prophet?"

      Do you really think that a Mormon "prophet" would receive Senate confirmation?

      September 2, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  14. Lord Golob From Kolob

    Mitt Romney kneels to me and is in my power. I even remotely control the flaps in his magic underwear, and soon I will control America.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  15. Michael

    What a ruse! Romney, like ALL mormons, believe all Christians are going to hell. I feel like most non-mormons don't truly understands Mormon beliefs. They truly believe non-temple mormons will go to hell. That includes all Christians!

    September 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Robert

      What an idiot. You clearly don't understand Mormon doctrine yourself. I've been a Mormon for 32 years. I should know my own doctrine. Mormons DO NOT believe non-temple attending Mormons will go to hell. They DO NOT believe evangelicals are going to hell. Do a little research next time and get your facts straight. It makes you look like a retard.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  16. noChoice007


    The republicans allowed businesses to bring in cheap and uneducated labor for the menial tasks. These people would be forever part of a second tier of citizenship and multiply by the millions.
    The productive people fled the cities leaving these poor immigrants on their own so that they could never leave the Ghetto.
    The Democrats saw in the second tier of citizenship the ideal source of votes and leverage.
    As the second tier multiplies, being uneducated, unproductive and unable to be part of the first tier by self merit, need free money to go to the schools, parks and hostpitals enjoyed by the first tier.
    All of a sudden that free money is too much to be sustainable and the first tier starts complaining.
    But it was the republicans in the first place, that allowed the massive influx of second tier.
    This, in my opinioin is a complete mess. I think I will just be an independent and vote for that candidate which makes more sense at a specific point in time.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Michael

      What a ruse! Romney believes all Christians are going to hell. I feel like most non-mormons don't truly understands Mormon beliefs. They truly believe non-temple mormons will go to hell. That includes all Christians!

      September 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • noChoice007

      mormonism is a power thirsty pyramid/Ponzi racket. Surely, they do provide a support network for many people (which is good), however, the agendas are not noble.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  17. obrien

    Isn't religion supposed to be God based not a Political combat? The evangelics better wake up and remember just what church Obama attended his whole adult life. Of the two religions Romneys is the more compassionate and care giving to all who ask and has a completely diverse group of ethnicity in their congregation. Obama's church of many years is completely of one biased group not necessarily happy this this country or half of it's population. Right now people are voting on fear based rhetoric from both the left and right, our future doesn't seem to exist and our elections are out of control. We were warned by our forefathers we are a new nation and it can easily be taken away from us, sadly, there aren't any politicians who care enough anymore. Obama is proving that fact. The collapse of our own beloved country is now in process due too open borders, refugees, illegals under the guise of immigrants, underground railroads, etc., who have no allegiance to this country and greedy politicians to match their every whim and dime. I would rather have someone who believes in America, than this president who is covertly harboring globalization, and the open borders we endure with no other country offering the same in return. We can't save the world, and the questionable, blurred "immigrants" of Obamas are destroying us one activist at a time. We need to get back on track and that's not Obama.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • edweird69

      Huh? You really think the illegals are here because of Obama? You really think our borders are gone because of Obama? He inherited a hellish mess. Your expectation that he, or anyone else could fix it in 4 years is ludicrous at best. Bush drafted NAFTA, Clinton signed it into law. All politicians have a boss, and it isn't god. It's their greed, and their allegiance to their bosses... the rich and their corporations. When criminal Bush left the WH, our country was already devestated.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • amlcpamaine

      What a crock. You're obviously on his payroll. A recent Business Week article featured the Mormon Church and outlined all the profit-making businesses it maintains with the "charitable donations." It noted that less than 1% goes to the needy, in stark comparison to other USA based Christian religions. ALL donations go to Salt Lake where a small set of overseers portion monies to the businesses, and Mormon volunteers spend time as "missionaries" in businesses that make profit. There's no comparison to the real, dedicated people in many religions who strive to help the needy. So don't tire us with your lies – Mitt's paying you to be more clever.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • obrien

      Yes, I not only think Obama encourages it, I know it for a fact, with LaRaza in tow, giving amnesty to everyone he can, making backdoor amnesties, covert amnesties and the Dream Act. Give it up,.I can tell you are a Mexican activist and all your canned rhetoric doesn't mean a hill of beans. You are a huge part of the problem no matter who you blame, although I agree Reagan and Clinton did more harm than anyone until your Obama whom you hope to get free college and amnesty for all your relatives. Big chances are, you are an anchor baby who we paid for all you and your siblings lives.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • obrien

      By the way Business Week isn't the Holy Grail on the Mormon Church. I doubt the author of the article was granted all the information he needed for a cogent article and obviously left from the sounds of your rant. S/he certainly fed you what you wanted to hear and believe. Buy the way I'm not a Mormon, I'm an Independent who has been making my decisions based on the last 30 years.

      September 2, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  18. Robin

    How can a true evangelical rationalize voting for a party that accepts killing infants that survive a failed abortion? It is hypocrisy.
    I can see being against a belief that accepts many wives but how is that worse than a culture that has many, many girlfriends with many children that the tax payer takes care of?
    We have been asked to set religion aside and look at the policies and leadership of the candidates. Hold your nose and vote.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • edweird69

      It's a side show Robin. We all know who owns and runs this country. It's not me, it's not you, and it's not the prez. It's the rich, corporate America.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • obrien

      Robin, stop painting the whole Mormon religion with one biased, political brush to appease the media and left. The Mormon church doesn't share your convenient hate version of their religion, so you can be right and throw a fit. Mutable marriages were outlawed by the church in the 1800s, and you know that too, but chose to ignore it to get attention. You and your women rights group love to throw mud. If you want 'womens rights' and open abortions, I'm sure it's yours right now even if Romney becomes president, there are too many politicians plus 90% of the country who agree with you. Quit being so silly and myopic, there is so much more at stake than free birth control and abortions that add to our depleted economy. Obama has everyone thinking he is the only cool guy who believes in abortions, gays, illegals and anything else he can kick in to get reelected. He plays to the disenfranchised, and plays them like a rube.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  19. Joe

    The middle class are going to get screwed no matter what. It comes down to this- who did think will cater to wall street and rich folks less Mitt or Barack? I think it's obvious.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • edweird69

      Oh, I so AGREE !! Very true. The rich have taken everything. I believe the statistic is like, 5% of the country own 95% of its wealth, or something like that. The poor get bennies, and the middle class foot the bill. That would be ME.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  20. Evangelical

    If you would compromise your faith to vote for the Mormon cultist Romney, you would probably embrace the Abomination of Desolation as he stands in the holy place. Look into yourself. Ask God's help in penetrating the Mormon deception.

    September 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Michael

      Romney, like all mormons, believes all Christians are going to hell. I feel like most non-mormons don't truly understands Mormon beliefs. They truly believe non-temple mormons will go to hell. That includes all Christians!

      September 2, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Imposter Buster

      You're an imposter. The real Evangelical would never cut down another Christian.

      September 2, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
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