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'God' also absent from Democrats' platform
September 4th, 2012
05:22 PM ET

'God' also absent from Democrats' platform

By Kevin Liptak, CNN

(CNN) – Democrats omitted the word "God" from their 2012 platform, a change from the party's 2008 document and a noticeable split from Republicans, who mention God ten times in their official party stance.

In 2008, Democrats wrote, "We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential."

The paragraph extolling the value of hard work in 2012 reads, "We gather to reclaim the basic bargain that built the largest middle class and the most prosperous nation on Earth-the simple principle that in America, hard work should pay off, responsibility should be rewarded, and each one of us should be able to go as far as our talent and drive take us."

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- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • God • Politics

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  1. ScottCA

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDZb0KtJDk&w=640&h=360]

    September 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  2. tuvia

    B"H

    SHALOM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
    YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A GREAT SHABBOS.
    HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

    SHALOM, YOM TOV.
    TUVIA

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    ??

    September 5, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Forget it

      May they add another year to his sentence for every time you post your spy-loving spam.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  3. tuvia

    B"H

    LET MY PEOPLE GO SENETOR HILLIARY CLINTON
    AND PRESIDENT OBAMA. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW
    LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW. WHAT WAS IS AND WILL BE
    IN THE FUTURE. LET MY PEOPLE GO. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO.

    PLEASE ASK THE CANDIDATE THE FOLLOWING QUESTION.

    JONATHAN POLLARD HAS SPENT ENOUGH TIME IN PRISON.

    IT IS TIME THAT HE IS PARDONED.

    WILL THE PRESIDENT PARDON JONTATHAN POLLARD ON

    THE PLATFORM OF HUMANITARIANISM

    WILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO LET
    JONATHAN POLLARD GO BACK TO ISRAEL
    WITH HIS WIFE ESTER AND LIVE THEIR LIVES IN
    ISRAEL ONCE IF POSSIBLE THE PRESIDENT
    AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO THIS.
    LET MY PEOPLE GO. PLEASE PARDON JONATHAN POLLARD
    MR. PRESIDENT.

    THANK YOU,

    TUVIA

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    NEWS RELEASE

    'Germany met with Munich terrorists after attack'
    By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL, JPOST CORRESPONDENT

    08/26/2012 18:05

    Fearing additional attack on German soil, Germany offered Black September political upgrade of PLO, 'Der Spiegel' reports.

    Photo by: REUTERS / Handout

    BERLIN – For years, Germany’s government had contact with the organizers of the Black September terror group that was responsible for the murder of 11 Israeli sportsmen and a German police office at the 1972 Olympic Games, German newspaper Der Spiegel reported Sunday.

    Several months after the murders, the West German government proposed a secret meeting between one of the organizers of the Palestinian terrorist group and then-foreign minister Walter Scheel. The aim of the clandestine meeting was to create a “new basis of trust,” according to Der Spiegel.

    The Berlin office of the American Jewish Committee issued a statement last week calling on Merkel’s administration to ban Hezbollah.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  4. tuvia

    B"H

    LET MY PEOPLE GO SENETOR HILLIARY CLINTON
    AND PRESIDENT OBAMA. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW
    LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW. WHAT WAS IS AND WILL BE
    IN THE FUTURE. LET MY PEOPLE GO. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO.

    PLEASE ASK THE CANDIDATE THE FOLLOWING QUESTION.

    JONATHAN POLLARD HAS SPENT ENOUGH TIME IN PRISON.

    IT IS TIME THAT HE IS PARDONED.

    WILL THE PRESIDENT PARDON JONTATHAN POLLARD ON

    THE PLATFORM OF HUMANITARIANISM

    WILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO LET
    JONATHAN POLLARD GO BACK TO ISRAEL
    WITH HIS WIFE ESTER AND LIVE THEIR LIVES IN
    ISRAEL ONCE IF POSSIBLE THE PRESIDENT
    AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO THIS.
    LET MY PEOPLE GO. PLEASE PARDON JONATHAN POLLARD
    MR. PRESIDENT.

    THANK YOU,

    TUVIA

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947by3X6_RU&w=640&h=360]

    NEWS RELEASE

    'Germany met with Munich terrorists after attack'
    By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL, JPOST CORRESPONDENT

    08/26/2012 18:05

    Fearing additional attack on German soil, Germany offered Black September political upgrade of PLO, 'Der Spiegel' reports.

    Photo by: REUTERS / Handout

    BERLIN – For years, Germany’s government had contact with the organizers of the Black September terror group that was responsible for the murder of 11 Israeli sportsmen and a German police office at the 1972 Olympic Games, German newspaper Der Spiegel reported Sunday.

    Several months after the murders, the West German government proposed a secret meeting between one of the organizers of the Palestinian terrorist group and then-foreign minister Walter Scheel. The aim of the clandestine meeting was to create a “new basis of trust,” according to Der Spiegel.

    Germany’s government demanded a quid pro quo.

    The PLO would cease attacks on German soil in exchange for a political upgrade. In addition to granting political legitimacy to the PLO, the government would pull the plug on any criminal charges for the murders in Munich.

    Paul Frank, the state secretary in the Foreign Ministry, sent a signal to the PLO that the “Munich chapter” is now “closed,” Der Spiegel wrote.

    The newsweekly reported that when the French police arrested Abu Daoud (real name Muhammad Daoud Oude) – one of the main organizers of the killing spree in Munich – and inquired about extraditing him to the German authorities, Bavarian justice secretary Alfred Seidl recommended that Germany take no action. The French released Abu Daoud. Syria’s Assad regime protected Abu Daoud and the Fatah terrorist in a Damascus hospital in 2010.

    Germany today maintains a quid pro quo policy toward the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah that is similar to its posture toward Black September, according to German journalists and intelligence officers. The Federal Republic allows Hezbollah’s 950 active members to work legally in Germany in exchange for not engaging in terrorism on German soil.

    Philipp Missfelder, Bundestag foreign policy spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party, wrote The Jerusalem Post last week, “It is long overdue to place Hezbollah on the EU’s list of terror organizations.”

    The Berlin office of the American Jewish Committee issued a statement last week calling on Merkel’s administration to ban Hezbollah.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  5. FrayedJeff

    I was brought up to believe the universe has a plan. We are only human, it’s not ours to understand. The universe has a plan, all is for the best. Some will be rewarded, and the devil will take the rest.

    All is for the best, believe in what we’re told. Blind men in the market, buying what we’re sold. Believe in what we’re told until our final breath. While our loving Watchmaker loves us all to death.

    In a world of cut and thrust, I was always taught to trust. In a world where all must fail, Heaven’s justice will prevail.
    The joy and pain that we receive, each comes with its own cost. The price of what we’re winning is the same as what we’ve lost.

    Until our final breath, the joy and pain that we receive, must be what we deserve, I was brought up to believe.

    -BU2B by the band RUSH

    September 5, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  6. Leo

    2 Timothy 3

    3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • niknak

      So you learned how to cut and paste. Bravo.
      What you pasted is meaningless.
      But keep wasting your time on your imaginary friend and your book of magic spells.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Leo

      The Scriptures are wonderfully accurate in this day and age! Awesome!!

      September 5, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Leo,

      Paul of Tarsus ranting from atop his soap box again... without a shred of verified evidence that anything he says is fact.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Ned

      Amen Leo!

      September 5, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Bob

      Since Leo is dumping quotes on us again, let's have a closer look at what's really in the Christian book of nasty AKA the bible. Christian god is apparently quite the violent, vindictive jerk:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      September 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Leo

      Bob, Thanks for verifying the accuracy of the scriptures and fulfilling exactly what I posted in Timothy!! Praise God!!

      always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

      unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

      September 5, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Leo,
      "unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure..."

      Fulfilling what?... like those types of people didn't exist all over the place for eons before Paul thought them up?!

      September 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  7. FrayedJeff

    Which god are they talking about? In America we have Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Scientologists, Baha'i Faith, Christianity, Jainism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Agnosticism and humanism, Atheism, Deism, Native American religions, so on and so forth.

    Actually by not naming a specific religion, the Democratic Platform in fact included each and every American.

    September 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • niknak

      I go with the pink unicorn.
      But could support the flying spaghetti monster, he of the lusciousness.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      It's funny that you put Hindu in the list, but then again that probably went over your head.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • FrayedJeff

      @Mike from CT

      Hindu's don't believe in gods?

      September 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  8. ScottCA

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3YF73SNuY&w=640&h=360]

    September 5, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  9. Amniculi

    Slow traffic on this post today...

    September 5, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Speedy Gonzales

      Not me!

      Andele! Andele! Yeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      September 5, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • ScottCA

      Hopeful that is because all the faith based religious have finally come to their senses and realized their religions are lies, that have no evidence whatsoever to support them.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Ned

      haha no, it's because we dont spend most of our lives on the internet. We have a thing called life we love and cherish.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Amniculi

      @Scott – I lol'd!
      @Ned – By posting you disproved your premise.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  10. Reality

    The only prayer suitable for political conventions:

    The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    September 5, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  11. Amniculi

    Good! That is exactly how it should be. Religion has no place in governement.

    September 5, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Amniculi

      And extra e's have no place in our government either.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • tallulah13

      I agree with you. On both counts!

      September 5, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • ScottCA

      Until there is some evidence of a god actually existing, there is no reason to introduce non existent imaginary friends into politics.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Barry Wom

      But you must admit that there are many things not in government now that certainly should be there. For example, politicians should dress like clown prostitutes. Bills should be decided in gigantic mud-wrestling battle royales. Elections should be announced after they happen.

      Little things like that.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Exxtra lettterrs are OKK.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  12. PrimeNumber

    "responsibility should be rewarded, and each one of us should be able to go as far as our talent and drive take us." Has anyone noticed that big streak of red states through the middle of the country? THat's where people grow wheat, corn, soybeans, other agricultural products. Livestock. That's where they produce oil and gas. These things require hard work. When the economy ripples, these folks are the first to feel it. THis makes them conservative. What could the party of the Old Hippy, "ME" generation, "down with the establishment", "if it feels good do it", "peace and love (until it becomes hard)", "think for yourself and then blow your mind" possibly know about hard work and drive?

    September 5, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • William Demuth

      That inbreeding is really dragging you down.

      By ANY quantifiable measure, the blue states drive this economy.

      If the agricultural states are so important why do they ALWAYS need my tax dollars?

      Perhaps less time with a Bible and more time with a text book, and your states might emerge into the 21st century.

      And while we are at it, if Jeebus wants the hill billies to breed, then he can feed them, because I am tired of subsidising redneck procreation.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • therealpeace2all

      @PrimeNumber

      Interesting take on things. Also, something to consider... "California" in 2011, had the *8th* largest economy in the *world.*

      Us "Blue States" don't know anything about hard work and 'innovation'

      Just an FYI

      Peace...

      September 5, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • PrimeNumber

      My son spent some years drilling deep wells in 100 degree F temperatures to power your car and heat your home. And contrary to beliefs of the denizens of the coast lands, a loaf of bread does not grow on the shelf of your grocer. Do you know what a drought is? Every day for the last three months the temperatures have approached 110F with no rain. We don't expect you to know what that does to the price of your bread so you wouldn't understand the need for gubment assistance. And don't worry about inbreeding. Worry about that smog cloud over your city produced by a million gaseous citizens living on the environmental catastrophe produced by paving over pristine land.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • tallulah13

      Gosh, Prime. Are we talking about the same farmers who get government subsidies?

      September 5, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • therealpeace2all

      @PrimeNumber

      Gee... thanks for the 'non-answer' and the 'appeal to emotions' argument about your son, etc... Yep, the 'red-states' are the only ones that work hard.

      Yep... got it.

      Wow...!!!

      Peace...

      September 5, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • William Demuth

      PrimeNumber

      A drought? I guess Jeebus is mad, or perhaps those who believe in him are.

      As far as hard work, we need laborers, but if the Mexicans want to underbid you, I say we drop the Carolinas and add Tiajuana as a state.

      Cheap Labor and better food.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I think it's hilarious that Primenumber believes that "hard work" must consist of manual labor.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When you get pregnant, Reality, let us all know.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Yup. And it's also the part of the country that receives more federal tax money than it collected in those states. The coasts collect more federal tax money than they receive back. This is easily looked up.

      The federal government does that. Takes tax money from NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, California... and gives it to Missouri, Wisconsin, South Dakota...

      If the 'small' government, conservative, libertarian types have their way... do you really think that will continue?

      Honestly, I think it will.. for some. For the people who can get a politicians ear. But the little guy? No. It won't.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • TR6

      @PrimeNumber: “Do you know what a drought is? “

      Yes, we also know what farm subsidies are along with government subsidized crop insurance. Your persecution complex is showing

      September 5, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  13. IslandAtheist

    I noticed there was no mention of unicorns or pixies either.

    September 5, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • Amniculi

      Yes, I noticed that too. Unicorns and pixies are severely under-represented in our current system of government. Unfortunately, mythical sky-fathers are unfairly over-represented.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Twinkles X, leader of the Visionary Unicorn Liberation Victory Army

      We the V.U.L.V.A. will right this terrible wrong, this injustice by the neofascist oppressors of the unicorns! The V.U.L.V.A. will create openings for penetration into mainstream society! The V.U.L.V.A. waits with dewy anticipation for the thrust to begin, again and a gain until we reach our climax of success!

      Thewe will smoke cigarettes.

      Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the unicorns!

      September 5, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Pixies for Equality Now in Society

      Hmmm...sounds like there needs to be an in-depth summit between the leaders of V.U.L.V.A. and P.E.N.I.S.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Primewonk now walks away, searching for a moist towelette.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  14. Reality

    Why no mention of god? Tis obvious:

    Obama "mouths" that he is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of abortion/choice however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting bloc in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted womb babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39.

    39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008? 69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    September 5, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • niknak

      Ph you and your god.
      You hide behind your magic book of spells all the while doing much worse behind closed doors.
      I work with fundies just like you and to a T they are racists, cheats, gamblers, smokers, drug users, wife cheaters and liers.
      But they think they are somehow above everyone else because on Sunday they go to their god communicators and softly speak their magic spells.
      Get ready for 4 more years of moving the country foreward when Obama wins again.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Primewonk

      Up to 50% of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion. Most in the first week or so, before the woman even knows she was pregnant.

      Your god claims omnipotence and omniscience.

      Thus, your god is personally responsible for all these tens of millions of abortions each year.

      Get him to knock it off. Then we'll talk.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • Amniculi

      Good! That's one million people per year this over-populated planet doesn't need.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Reality

      The reality of se-x, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-
      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      September 5, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      September 5, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Reality

      Hmmm, so a growing baby is considered by some to be nothing more than an infection? Talk about having no respect for human life!!!!!

      And Nature or Nature's God is the #1 taker of everyone's life. That gives some rationale for killing the unborn or those suffering from de-mentia, mental disease or Alzheimer's or anyone who might inconvenience your life???

      We constantly battle the forces of nature. We do not succ-umb to these forces by eliminating defenseless children!!!!!

      September 5, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      *yawn* When you get pregnant,Reality, be sure to send out an announcement.

      Try to keep it smaller than a novella.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " We do not succ-umb to these forces by eliminating defenseless children!!!!!"

      Fetus is to child as acorn is to oak tree.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Reality

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      September 5, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  15. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    I keep claiming that prayer changes things, but it hasn't changed my mental state, it hasn't changed the fact that I'm unemployed and collecting welfare checks and it hasn't changed how annoying I am.

    September 5, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • Amniculi

      So you're realizing that talking to yourself isn't productive? Congratulations.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  16. Horus

    God should be left out of governing a free nation. Believe what you choose, but don't legislate and take away other people's freedom of choice; especially while claiming to be for freedom and the Consti.tution....

    September 5, 2012 at 8:33 am |
  17. collectivedementia

    Obama blamed George W.
    Athiests and agnostics blame God.
    Go figure.

    September 5, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Dubya blamed Clinton.
      Christians and Muslims blame atheists.
      Go figure.

      September 5, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      Atheists and agnostics may blame religious believers for some things, but they don't blame God. They don't believe in God – some of you really can't comprehend that at all, can you?

      As for the politics – don't kid yourself. This mess is pretty much Dubya's making. Remember all those critics who warned that spending wildly on two wars while cutting taxes would be an economic disaster? Well, here we are.

      September 5, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • sam stone

      atheists cannot blame a being in which they do not believe. if you need any more help with logic, let me know

      September 5, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • Topher

      Rufus T. Firefly

      "Atheists and agnostics may blame religious believers for some things, but they don't blame God. They don't believe in God – some of you really can't comprehend that at all, can you?"

      You know why that is, right? Have you read the books by the popular atheists? Dawkins? Hitchens? The themes of their books are basically "there is no god and I hate Him." So which is it? Yeah, I know, these men don't necessarily speak for how you feel on the subject, but this is no different than when atheists bring up Falwell or Pat Robertson as their only source for Christian spokesmen.

      "As for the politics – don't kid yourself. This mess is pretty much Dubya's making. Remember all those critics who warned that spending wildly on two wars while cutting taxes would be an economic disaster? Well, here we are."

      I care a whole lot less about who's fault it was than who can get us on the right track. Unfortunately, with our options this time around, I def. can't vote for one of them and I'm not sure I can for the other.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • old ben

      Topher: – "Dawkins? Hitchens? The themes of their books are basically "there is no god and I hate Him."

      Really? I would like to see something that would back up that claim. On the contrary, the very nature of an atheist or agnostic atheist is to not apply feelings (hate, love, reverence) about what they deny or what they don't acknowledge without proof. It's the followers of religion that atheists have feelings about. Atheists want to wake them up and bring them out of the spell of unfounded tenets that so adversely affect them and everyone around them.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • Amniculi

      The closest thing that Dawkins or Hitchens come to saying what you claim is when they state that religion, not an imaginary "god", is responsible for a majority of the major problems that have occurred now and throughout history. And they are not innaccurate in claiming this.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • tallulah13

      Hey Topher, I've read a lot of Dawkins. There is no mention of hating god. There's a lot of explaining (with facts and docu.mentation) that god doesn't exists. I think the question here is have you actually read any books by Dawkins or Hitchens. From the sound of it, I'd say no.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • A Frayed Knot

      collective, Topher (and others),

      Real short and clear, since it has been said hundreds of times (here and elsewhere):

      Non-believers do not believe that a god or gods exist... Believers, however, DO exist – and they are the ones who we take issue with, because they do irrational things that affect everyone.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • niknak

      And they are the ones with all the guns, who have no issues with using them to kill to prove just how much they love their god.
      OK fundies, how many of you DON'T own a gun?
      I bet every last one of you do. And not just one, but multiple guns, most not hunting guns but guns specifically designed to kill another human being.
      Then ask yourselves this fundies. If your jesus came back, would he own a gun?

      September 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
  18. Portland tony

    Let's hope that "God" has more important issues to deal with than the American political farce!

    September 5, 2012 at 7:56 am |
    • Jesus freaker

      God is so busy helpIng out the Republicans that he doesn't have the time to help children with cancer. He's the best.

      September 5, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      So long as He still has time to help out sports franchises....

      September 5, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Amniculi

      I wish I had a personal relationship with God. Then I'd have an inside track on betting.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  19. AvdBerg

    Democrats and Republicans are both of the same spirit (Luke 9:55). All political parties follow after an image of a false god and serve the spirit of this world in Satan’s divided kingdom (Matthew 12:26).

    For a better understanding of the mystery of God we invite you to read the articles ‘The Mystery of God Revealed’ and ‘The Natural Body vs the Spiritual Body’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    Also, please read the article ‘Barack Obama – President of the United States of America’. It explains why politicians and
    the media continue to mix religion with the country’s political agenda.

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as
    confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    September 5, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • Joe

      Report abuse on AvdBerg posts. They are a frequent website spammer.

      September 5, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • mama kindless

      Oh no, not this nonsense again. Spamming with references to spammers from a couple a thousand years ago.
      And Revelation? Please. Everyone knows whoever wrote that was high as a kite and crashed their camel in a lake of bath salts to come up with that mess. My goodness.

      September 5, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      mama, you crack me up.

      You have any good chicken soup around? I hab a code id my dose.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    September 5, 2012 at 4:29 am |
    • Al

      In my very best Lewis Black voice: "NO IT DOESN'T!!!"

      September 5, 2012 at 5:08 am |
    • Joe

      Report abuse on the root poster. He is a frequent spammer on these blogs. If enough of us report it, CNN will act.

      September 5, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 5, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • jim

      Every time I see your posts I pray for you to stop, but it still has not worked!

      September 5, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • Rynomite

      Michael Clarke Duncan disagrees.

      September 5, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • just sayin

      prayer brings out the anger in demons

      September 5, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • truth be trolled

      "prayer brings out the anger in demons"

      I smell a disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer.

      September 5, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
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