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September 5th, 2012
12:58 PM ET

Catholic nun brings her star power to DNC

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – Sister Simone Campbell got what may have been the biggest media platform of her life on Wednesday night, when she addressed the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina. But the Catholic nun had plenty of star power before that.

Walking around Charlotte this week, Campbell was repeatedly stopped by fans who wanted to pose for pictures.

They had seen her on "The Colbert Report," pushing back on the Vatican's crackdown on American nuns, or read about the "nuns on the bus" tour that Simone organized to decry Rep. Paul Ryan's federal budget proposal.

"One woman came up to me and said 'my husband loves you; I'd be jealous if you weren't a nun,' " Campbell, 66, said Tuesday night.

By asking her to speak at their convention, the Democrats appear keen to capitalize on Campbell's budding celebrity at a moment when the official Roman Catholic Church has been critical of the Obama administration, claiming that it is infringing on religious liberty.

And at a convention that is revolving largely around an alleged GOP-led "war on women," Campbell is a poignant feminist symbol. She has stood up to the Vatican's criticisms of American nuns for what the church says is their fixation on progressive advocacy at the expense of promoting socially conservative positions.

"We're certainly oriented toward the needs of women and responding to their needs," she told Colbert in June, defending the nuns against the Vatican. "If that's radical, I guess we are."
But Campbell isn't taking marching orders from the Democratic Party, either.

When party officials asked her to speak in Charlotte, she made it plain she'd do it only if she could give voice to her anti-abortion views.

And when Democratic handlers revised a draft of her speech in a way that sounded too political to her, she told them she was happy to give her speaking slot to someone else.

The handlers were more than happy to work with her to revise the revisions.

On Wednesday night, Campbell said that Obama's health care law and expanding Medicaid coverage "is part of my pro-life stance and the right thing to do." It was the biggest applause lines in her speech, which was filled with big applause lines.

"Paul Ryan claims his budget reflects the principles of our shared Catholic faith," Campbell said later in her speech. "But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops stated that the Ryan budget failed a basic moral test, because it would harm families living in poverty.

"We agree with our bishops," Campbell said. "I am my sister's keeper. I am my brother's keeper.
Campbell, who has a law degree from the University of California, Davis, has always been political.

Her parents took her the Democratic convention in Los Angeles to see John F. Kennedy.

But she says her work has always been fueled by a passion for helping the poor. When she's not giving interviews and staging bus tours, she works as executive director of Network, a Washington-based group that describes itself as a "Catholic social justice lobby."

In 2010, the organization played an important role in promoting President Obama's health care act at a time when the Roman Catholic Church opposed the legislation. The church alleged that the Affordable Care Act used federal funds to cover abortion (Democrats deny that claim).

Campbell organized a letter of support for the Affordable Care Act that was signed by dozens of leaders from women's religious orders, giving the White House and Democrats political cover in the face of attacks from conservative religious groups.

At a celebration after the signing ceremony for the law, Obama thanked Campbell for her help: "He gave me a big kiss and said I was a tipping point."

Campbell, who joined a religious order after her freshman year at college, says her support for Obamacare grew out of a lifelong concern for the poor.

"I remember as a kid, driving back from visiting relatives in Colorado and going through Indian reservations," she said. "I would cry because it was so hard to see such poor people. Something touched me."

She got her J.D. with an eye toward advocating for pro-poor public policy but wound up hanging a shingle in Oakland, California, helping the working poor on family law cases.

"For me, it was about being the gospel and living like Jesus did," she said. "Following folks who were suffering and at the margins, struggling hard to make ends meet. I was like a parish for the unchurched."

Campbell later traveled the world as the general director of her religious order, the Sisters of Social Service, founded in the 1920s by Hungary's first female member of parliament.

At Network, Campbell's proudest accomplishment is helping pass Obamacare. But she also boasts of becoming an early thorn in the side of Paul Ryan, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's running mate, by organizing the "nuns on the bus tour" in May.

The nine-state trip from Iowa to Washington was aimed at attacking the federal budget Ryan drew up as the chairman of the House Budget Committee.

The Ryan plan, in Campbell's view, "set up this total undermining of government services as a way for there to be additional tax cuts for the wealthy."

America's Catholic bishops also criticized Ryan's budget. But weeks before the nuns on the bus tour, the Vatican issued a bruising assessment of many American nuns, saying they offered a platform for "radical feminism" and played down church teachings on abortion and gay marriage.

To some church watchers, the nuns on the bus tour represented a thumb in the eye of the assessment from Rome.

But Campbell, who is not formally a part of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, the group singled out by the Vatican assessment, has not been shy about saying that the church hierarchy is out of touch with the church's religious life.

"The shock made me numb at first, and then I was profoundly sad that my life as a woman religious and my commitment to serving the poor would be so denigrated by the leadership of our church,"

Campbell said this year, responding to Vatican criticism of American nuns.

Campbell didn't mention the nuns' tiff with Rome in her Wednesday night speech, but her mere presence raised the profile of women religious leaders at a time when the Democrats say women are under attack.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Catholic Church • Politics

soundoff (603 Responses)
  1. ScottCA

    A nun has no place in politics. She should keep her talk about imaginary friends to herself, unless she has evidence for them existing.

    September 5, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Recovering Catholic

      then priests and bishops have no place in politics either. at least with this nun, you have a very good chance that she was not a child molester nor, unlike with Cardinal Dolan who will appear on Thursday, was involved in helping child molesters evade justice

      September 5, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Roberto Bobster Bobenstien

      I doubt Scott was limiting his basic premise to just nuns.

      September 5, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Really????

      Then neither does a "bishop" which is EXACTLY what Mitt was in his church. Your argument would be laughable if it weren't so ignorant.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  2. smk

    Every time humanity deviated from this path, God sent down His of prophets (Noah, Ibrahim, Mosses Jesus and Mohammed were among thousands) who carried this single message to the whole humanity (And they all had the highest moral standards). That is the message of Islam.

    In Quran God speaks to the whole humanity ....

    “Proclaim, He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him." [112:1]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]

    It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is. [19:35]

    God will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside God?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.[5:116]

    The Messiah, son of Mary is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate! [5:75]

    (they are condemned) for disbelieving and uttering about Mary a gross lie. [4:156]

    Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Quran [5:46]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to clear your misconception by going to whyIslam org website.

    September 5, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      By Quantum physics, there is no other truth but one truth absolute Allah, Al, The, La, limit , H, most high or absolute 360*, every thing stems from and "HE" has control over every thing, hind, denied by hindu's ignorant s in by their hindu Judaism, criminal self center ism, secularism to impose hinduism, racism on humanity. For more visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/

      September 5, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • ScottCA

      The Qur'an is a load of horse crap. Not one single shred of evidence that any god exists.
      Nothing is more corrosive to freedom and human dignity than Islam in its current state.

      September 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • HINDU

      HEY HINDUISM WHATEVER WHATEVER

      YOUR MOM TASTES LIKE DONKEY MINUETS

      I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT YOU SAID IT EARLIER

      DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE ME TO TELL HER WHILE I'M BANGING HER LATER?

      September 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  3. Ed

    I have developed the view that early Christianity was based a parable and a collection of sayings. The parable is about a man who born with a blood line going back to David gives up all worldly possessions to first find God through meditation, second serve that God by tending to the sick and less fortunate and three teaching his followers that they could also know God by following his path and that knowing God was not restricted to the religious elite who professed to know the word of God. The path to God was there for all to follow, including women and slaves. For these beliefs this man was tried for sedition and executed by the religious elite who professed to know the word of God but could not see God in this man or the world around them. This man's teachings to his followers were meant to guide them to their own knowledge of God. Such a message of freedom and power would indeed be Good News to the oppressed and enslaved. Indeed early Christianity was described by Roman critics at the time as being a religion of "women and slaves".

    Overtime the parable was changed and modified to meet various purposes until around 150 AD when a restricted number of these versions the parable (4 to be exact) were declared by one man to be the canonical scriptures of the orthodox (catholic) church and established the basic tenets of the catholic church that to be christian required that you accept Christ as your savior, are Baptized and accept the authority of the bishops to interpret Gods word. All others were Heretics.

    And thus the story comes full circle, a religious elite is established and what follows is 1700 years of human suffering at the hands of this religious elite. Who knows maybe God is still there to found but don't expect your religious leaders to lead you to him/her/it.

    September 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  4. Reality

    Matt 24: 2 = Mark 13: 1-3

    As per many contemporary NT scholars who have analyzed all of the NT's passages for historic truth, said passage was not uttered by the historic Jesus. It was invented by Mark and copied by Matthew. For example, see Professor Gerd Ludemann's conclusions in his book Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 88. and also http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb064.html

    Also from Raymond Brown’s, An Introduction to the New Testament, 2 Peter was
    the last canonical work written i.e. ~ 130 AD, author unknown. Tis a bit dated for use in claiming haccurate history.

    September 5, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      To learn more about hinduism, criminality of Magi hindu's, criminal tricksters please visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/

      September 5, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

      You still hooked on Lewdman?

      September 12, 2012 at 3:40 am |
  5. crush

    It's not cool to pick on poor people. Republicans need to layoff the welfare=lazy attack. Just hire more people to weed out the cheaters. Job creation as a bonus.

    September 5, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  6. HINDU

    HEY 'hinduism source of hindufilthyracism'

    YOUR MOM LIKES HINDUS A LOT, JUST ASK HER

    September 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      No, she was your mother in hinduism, illegality, she had you from her brother like your hindu filthy pot head Enoch man god RAM had his children from his sister to follow hindu filthy tradition of hinduism, racism. Visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/ to learn to be human, "HIS" desire as he wanted human to be.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • HINDU

      SHE KEPT TRYING TO TELL ME HOW MUCH SHE LOVES HINDUS BUT HER MOUTH WAS FULL AT THE TIME

      AND MOST OF THE TIME

      YOUR MOM IS REALLY GREAT, I'LL BE BACK TONITE

      September 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
  7. truth be trolled

    PN – so this is why we're so over-populated – thanks to people like your mother who didn't have enough sense during a depression to stop breeding like a mole rat.

    September 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      reply relocated (replying to PrimeNumber)

      September 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      Trolled,
      We are overpopulated because of scientific progress. Only a hundred years ago, a man was old at age 45. Science has systematically wiped out small pox, whooping caugh (which used to decimate children), polio, typhus, many deases. Tuberculosis has been largely defeated. Nuclear medicine has prolonged the lives of cancer and heart patients, and others. Agricultural reasearch has developed drought and pest resistant strains of food crops. Improved transportation and communication has allowed education to prolong people's lives. Of course, some science has worked in the opposite direction. You may have heard of thermo-nuclear weaponry. And if you'll watch ads for medicines, they'll list the ways they can kill you.
      You can get up now. I'm sure you genuflected when I used the word "science".

      There you have it, truth.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

      Overpopulated? That's not a problem for Jealous. Man can create a problem out of anything. No wonder some men 'believe in' their own creativity.

      September 12, 2012 at 3:45 am |
  8. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Only a hindu blinded in his hinduism, darkness can not prove Existence of truth absolute, God, but science proves existence of truth absolute God in every function of life, Study math, physics or chemistry, they all are dependent on La. truth absolute, The God. Only a hindu denier of truth absolute can claim non existence of truth absolute God with his hindu soul, filthy desire from his hindu darkened heart but never by his truthful sight, To learn more, please visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/blog.html to be lighted.
    Human have no power of their own, but dependent on truth absolute, God for their existence, rest of it is hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's, ignorants, Please visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/blog.html to learn more.

    September 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • sam

      Bug off. Go write in your blog or something, you incomprehensible nit.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Get some education, knowledge, hindu uneducated or get lost in your hinduism, ignorance.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • sam

      Still waiting for you to make an ounce of sense. Never gonna happen, is it.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Lol

      Don't feed the trolls..

      That being said, I couldn't help laugh at this d*bag for picking a trolling topic on a forum where about 98% of readers have absolutely no emotional attachment to that topic. Trolling Fail? or IQ Fail?

      September 5, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Huebert

      @lol

      Is their really a difference between a trolling fail and an IQ fail?

      September 5, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • hinduism source of smelly platypus and juggle mime serendipity!

      hindu symphonies smell of donkey minuets justly arm wrestle toads! Sphincter the free Zimbabwe midgets!

      It makes sensey stuff to me!

      September 5, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Absurdity of hindu's, ignorant 's, live with it hindu's, ignorant's , hinduism, denial of truth is cause of mayhem among humanity, and none is more bothered by my post than hindu's pagans of hindered gutter called india to see their hinduism illegality go to dust in public. Visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/ again, may be it will help hindu's deniers of truth to live like human then to be like their sanatan hindu stupid god monkey.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  9. Tryon in Canada

    As a child the sight of poor Indians on the reservation made her cry. Pshaw! In other words she's been a phony right from the start.

    September 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Susan

      Are you seriously calling the her a liar? Is she not allowed to feel bad for the underpriveleged, or are you a Nun hater?

      September 5, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "Are you seriously calling the her a liar? Is she not allowed to feel bad for the underpriveleged, or are you a Nun hater?"

      And if he is a nun hater, what does it matter to you?

      September 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Really????

      Why are you commenting about the Dem convention? Tryon in Canada needs to stick to Canadian things, like Pauline Marois.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Can you explain your comment or is it just hate?

      September 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
  10. PrimeNumber

    Sister Campbell and the "war on women". My grandmother raised twelve kids on a farm in Texas during the Great Depression. She never spoke of this "war on women". When my wife was nursing our kids every two hours at night, she didn't speak of this "war". I work with women who wear steel-toed shoes in heavy manufacturing working ten hour days. They talk about the job at hand, not the "war".
    Go into a drug store. Notice that three full isles are reserved for lipstick, rouge, base, foundation, eye shadow, eye liner, eyebrow pencils, scented conditioners, special shampoos, leg makeup (!), body wash, fingernail polish, remover for same, combs, brushes, curling irons, panty hose. What's the cost of a coiffure or a session at the tanning spa? Beads and necklaces? And if the rest of us resent paying for their birth control, it's spun into a "war on women".

    Sr. Campell, go back to the retreat house. If you break a fingernail, it'd be a "war on women".

    September 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      PN, do you support the rights of women to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy?

      September 5, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I agree PN. I disagree with any healthcare mandate.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      So...because the drug store sells make up, stockings and hair color, women shouldn't have their medical needs taken care of?

      What kind of logic is that?

      September 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Today at the pharmacy, I saw hair dye made specifically for curly, african hair.
      Therefore, racism doesn't exist.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Simran

      Are you equating make-up with healthcare?

      September 5, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      PN – so this is why we're so over-populated – thanks to people like your mother who didn't have enough sense during a depression to stop breeding like a mole rat.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • sam

      Your grandmother didn't know any better -it's how the world was, and how she was raised.

      Different day, same old bullshit non-logic from PrimeNumber.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      and sorry – grandmother, not mother. but yes, a very different time – difficult to compare to today in so many ways.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Lol

      War does not mean people are out to hunt down and kill women, you d* bag

      Your grandmother probably did not have the right to vote when she was younger (and over 18).. and she was perfectly ok about it. Do you think that was correct now? Your wife probably wished for more help from you as she had to wake up every two hours while you slept through it..

      It is this indifference to their rights and problems that is termed as "war on women". Not how much makeup products they have access to, or how many steel toed shoes they got to wear. How could you not have understood that?

      September 5, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Susan

      SO, as long as there is lipstick available for purchase, there is no war on women? Just an FYI, if your wife raised 12 kids, clearly you do not believe in birth control. You are also far older than the current "war on women" so you really have no skin in the game, so-to-speak.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Padraig

      Campbell has lost direction, she is trying to make herself out to be a Mother Therea but they are so far apart from one another. One avoided the spotlight and the other is enamored in it. You need to read Campbell's comments and you will see her ignorance. Her own ignorance of the Catholic heiracrchy has also been exposed. She see's her chance and she is going to spew her crap.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Vote GOP Save the Rich

      Wow, this has to be one of the most nonsensical posts I have read. As others pointed out, because items are stocked in stores it means something? Well that must mean the companies are doing great because one store I was in had some spaces on their shelves bare (meaning people are buying) and another store had all of its shelves stocked (meaning the store has plenty of capital to keep products on the shelves). I also told my boss I don't need a raise anymore because the items I need at the supermarket are on sale this week. Wow, store economics is great and easy. I take it back, this is a great post and this type of analysis will save the world.

      September 5, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Really????

      Wow...another wunderkind that knows nothing about anything. Hooray, lets vote you into office!

      September 5, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  11. Rational Libertarian

    Catholic girls give good head.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • rude dude

      Hey, some of us guys give it just as well.
      Hey, wait a minute – that's disgusting – I'm not Catholic.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  12. ScottCA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDZb0KtJDk&feature=fvwrel

    September 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Darn reason. It should not be allowed. It is discriminatory toward those of limited intelligence.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • SV

      Thank you, I absolutely enjoyed the videos you posted. I am agnostic as well.

      September 6, 2012 at 1:48 am |
  13. Bootyfunk

    "Campbell, who joined a religious order after her freshman year at college, says her support for Obamacare grew out of a lifelong concern for the poor."
    and that's why she's at the democratic convention - republicans don't give one lick about the poor.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Poor people smell and they feel ent.itled to successful peoples' money. Screw poor people.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Zandigra

      Well, at the rate that the current Democrat administration is creating poor people in this country, I'd have to agree with you that they must care about them. They seem to want there to be more and more everyday.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  14. tuvia

    B"H

    SHALOM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
    YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A GREAT SHABBOS.
    HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

    SHALOM, YOM TOV.
    TUVIA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947by3X6_RU

    B"H

    LET MY PEOPLE GO SENETOR HILLIARY CLINTON
    AND PRESIDENT OBAMA. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW
    LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW. WHAT WAS IS AND WILL BE
    IN THE FUTURE. LET MY PEOPLE GO. LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Pollard committed treason, selling classified intelligence for personal gain.
      He's lucky to be alive since most traitors to their country are summarily executed.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Tryon in Canada

      Israel, let my government go! (US)

      September 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Forget it

      He's a sleazeball spy. Let him rot.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • John the Historian

      I can understand your concern for the country of Israel but Israel should not be involved in internal US elections. The world need peace. The US is broke from two wars with muslim countries. Both Republican and Democratic parties now support a Palestinian state. Demographically Israel is losing. Palestinians will soon outnumber Israelis. I just don't understand why Israel does not promote a multi ethnic state. Why should not Jews marry Christians or Muslims. Many Palestians marry Christians. Jewish attacks against against Muslim mosques and Christian churches and Christian leaders must stop as should muslim attacks against Jews. Israel is surrounded by Arab countries and that will not change. The radical idea of a pur Jewish state from Baghdad to the Sinai has proven to be only a dream that will never happen. Through education and personal contact peace will happen. Let education, music, interfaith dialogues, and the internet bring people together. All faiths are equal and all non-believers are eqaul as well. Give peace a chance. When the wars are all over people will always say what was it all for. War is only death, disease, destruction, and terror.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • DorisV

      People like you, Rabbbi, are the reason I no longer support Israel. Where do you think you get your military . My tax dollars give aid to the nation of Israel. I do not support a Jewish state. You kill Palestinian old men, women and children. You claim the Palestinians do the same. Takes two to make an argument. The Palestinians have a right to their land also.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  15. ScottCA

    An examination of moral logic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7xt5LtgsxQ&feature=relmfu

    September 5, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  16. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Human have no power of their own, but dependent on truth absolute, God for their existence, rest of it is hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's, ignorants, Please visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/blog.html to learn more.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
  17. Bootyfunk

    these nuns are the ONLY good part of the Catholic church these days.

    September 5, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • sam

      Agreed.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • KMW

      I diaagree. They are what I oppose in the Roman Catholic Church. I did not see one-half ounce of proof that she was a Roman Catholic nun. Why wasn't she wearing a cross or religious symbol? Shame on her and I am a Catholic!!!

      September 6, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      KMW

      See that round pin on her lapel? That's the pin of the order – Sisters of Social Service.

      Since the 1970s, a number of catholic orders have dropped the habit in favor of conservative dress. But they all wear something signifying where they belong. I knew quite a few nuns in the 80s who wore their order pin or a cross pin on their jacket lapels. THIS is absolutely nothing new. That you think 'habit' = nun shows just how far out of touch you are with catholicism in the US.

      September 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  18. ScottCA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3YF73SNuY

    September 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism absurdity of a hindu Magi, criminal crook, hindu secularism, criminal self center ism is hinduism, denial of truth absolute, having nothing to do with scale, sign of truth absolute, God, No need to make hindu pig, filthy secular Kosher. Visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/blog.html to learn more, hinduism absurdity of hindu Jew's, criminal self centered, secular s.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  19. ScottCA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQzuFrMRA3M

    September 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
  20. Reality

    Bringing the Power of Truth to any convention:

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    September 5, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Leo

      2 Timothy 3

      3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      Leo: How are those "last days" coming? Seems to me they have been coming for quite some time. Did your savior get stuck in traffic, or is he just still dead?

      September 5, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Leo

      Sam, Thanks for proving once again the accuracy of the Scriptures!!

      2 Peter 3

      3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Topher

      sam stone

      Jesus is still very much alive. As for why it is taking so long, I don't know. But I do know this. The delay is a blessing to many. What it means is there is still time for people who have not been born again to repent and trust in the Savior. That means you. That means my family. It is once again God showing His goodness.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Leo

      Have a question for you have you signed up for rapture pet care services? It is a service where you are paired with a nonbeliever who is located near you. In the event of the rapture occurring the non-believer will go to your house and take care of your pets.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      jesus, like hercules, was a mythological figure. there is zero proof that jesus existed. if he did exist - he was just another cult leader. he never walked on water, cured anyone or turned water into wine. those are made up stories. grow up.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things be fulfilled.”
      – Matthew 24:34

      The biblical definition of a generation can be found in Psalm 90.
      "The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away."
      26 Psalms 90:10
      This is confirmed in the Gospel of Matthew.
      "Therefore all the generations from Abraham down to David are 14 generations; and from David down to the Babylonian captivity are 14 generations; and from the Babylonian captivity down to messiah, are 14 generations."
      – Matthew 1:17
      Matthew is using the Psalm 90 definitions of Generation in order to tell a specific chronological story.
      Even we we put aside that argument, there is further scripture indicating that the Second Coming was expected shortly after Christ's zombification.

      “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
      —1 John 2:18
      The last hour was 2,000 years ago.

      Christians have been waiting on tenterhooks for the Second Coming since the Bible itself was written.
      Many have prophesied the exact time of date of His return and ALL have been wrong.
      George Rapp said it would be September 15th, 1829.
      William Miller predicted October 22, 1844. Jesus’ failure to arrive is known as “The Great Disappointment”. Many of his disillusioned followers went on the found the 7th Day Adventist Church, who are still patiently awaiting His return.
      Charles Russell, 1st President of the Watchtower Society told his fellow Jehovah’s Witnesses that Jesus would be back in 1874.
      Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
      Herbert Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God said 1975.
      Bill Maupin managed to convince his followers to sell all of their worldly goods in preparation for Jesus’ return on June 28th, 1981.
      Benjamin Crème stated that on June 21st, 1982 Christ would make a worldwide television announcement.
      Mark Blitz, Pastor of El Shaddai Ministries says it would be September 30th, 2008
      Jerry Falwell said it’d happen between 1999 and 2009.
      Harold Camping told everyone that the Rapture would happen May 21, 2011 after failing in his first predicted date of 1994.

      Conversely, many believe He’s all ready come in the form of Sun Myung Moon, Emanuel Swedenborg, Baha u llah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, David Koresh, Hailie Selassie, John Thom, Arnold Potter, William Davies, George roux, Ernest Norman, Krishna Venta, Ahn Sahng-Hong, Jim Jones, Mashall Applewhite, Hulon Mitchell, Wayne Bent, Ariffin Mohammed, Mitsuo Matayoshi, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, Inri Cristo, Thomas Provenzano, David Icke, Shoko Asahara, Hogan Fukinaga, Marina Tsvigun or Sergei Troop.

      It would appear that the much lauded Jewish carpenter has been thoroughly dead for 2000 years and will remain so.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Leo,

      There have been 'mockers' and 'scoffers' since the first day that your religion hit the streets.

      You have had over 2000 years to show the world that it is a fact... and still 2/3rds of the world does not believe it.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Only a hindu blinded in his hinduism, darkness can not prove Existence of truth absolute, God, but science proves existence of truth absolute God in every function of life, Study math, physics or chemistry, they all are dependent on La. truth absolute, The God. Only a hindu denier of truth absolute can claim non existence of truth absolute God with his hindu soul, filthy desire from his hindu darkened heart but never by his truthful sight, To learn more, please visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/blog.html to be lighted.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Leo

      I love you guys!!

      Booty claims "there is zero proof that jesus existed. if he did exist – he was just another cult leader." Too Funny!! Zero Proof? Wake up man, Jesus has had affected the world more than anyone in History!!

      Doc and the word Generation which is Greek, and he uses the Hebrew Psalms to prove his point?? Doc the Greek word translated as Generation is genea, which means

      1) fathered, birth, nativity

      2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family

      September 5, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Leo
      The character of Jesus Christ has indeed had profound impact on the world – but that doesn't make Him real.
      That "The Greatest Story Ever Told" isn't literal fact hasn't dimished its influence.

      And please re-read my statement:
      "Matthew is using the Psalm 90 definition of 'Generation' in order to tell a specific chronological story."

      September 5, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      well said, doc.

      September 5, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Leo

      Doc, Only a lunatic would believe that Jesus never existed, period.

      Do you understand that the Greek and Hebrew words are TRANSLATED into english?

      Do you understand that the Greek and Hebrew words are often much deeper and profound than the english word they were translated into?

      Jesus gave us clear prerequisites that would be fulfilled prior to his second coming, and one was that the Gospel would first be preached to the entire world, which is nearly completed.

      The Jews have not passed away and Israel was reborn in 1948 – Pretty awesome!!

      Yes this Generation or genea the (men of the same stock, a family) did not pass away, scattered throughout the entire world to be gathered in the end!!

      September 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Leo
      There is evidence that Gilgamesh really existed.
      The Epic of Gilgamesh pre-dates the Bible by thousands of years and has had a profound impact on many cultures, including judeo-christian ones.
      Do you believe that he was a demi-god who ruled his kingdom for 125 years in between trips to the underworld, or has the story perhaps become slightly embellished through the years?
      Do you think it might just be possible that the story of Jesus went through a similar process?
      No, of course you don't. You have on your Jesus-specs.

      The problem with religion, ANY relgion, is that once a religionist has accepted a proposition on faith, they cannot thereafter judge that proposition by reason.

      But are you sure your carpenter is indeed the messiah? As you said, there are certain pre-requisites that must be fulfilled.
      For example: They say that Jesus being born of a virgin fulfills the Isaiah 7:14prophecy.
      However, the Hebrew term in Isaiah “almah” which means a “young woman”. "Virgin" is a mistranslation.
      Christians assert that Jesus is from David's line, but tribal line cannot be passed on through adoption. Jesus cannot be "son of David" through Joseph. A tribal line also does not pass through the mother, and even if it did, Mary was not descended of David through Solomon.
      Furthermore, did Jesus manage to:
      1) Rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem? Kind of hard to do since the Temple still stood during Christ's lifetime.
      2) Re-establish Jewish law as the only law?
      3) Save Israel? Lessee – just after His death (and Zombification)the Holy Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, Jerusalem was laid to waste, and the Jews went into exile to begin a 1900 year long night of persecution, — largely at the hands of Jesus' followers.
      4) Establish a world government run from Jerusalem?
      5) Return all the exiled Jews to Jerusalem?
      Don't forget that during that time, there were MANY claimaints to the Messiah role like Simon of Peraea, Athronges, Menahem ben Judah, Vespasian, Simon bar Kokhba, etc. ad nauseum.

      September 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • ,

      http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/513/Arrogance.htm

      September 5, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Leo

      Doc, The interesting thing about you and others is you must hold back on much of the evidence that you know is there in order to present your case.

      You obviously know the two lines described for Jesus (Mary and Joseph) he was the son of David on both lines.

      You clearly do not understand the scriptural timeframe of the events that you state.

      5) Return all the exiled Jews to Jerusalem? Fulfilled 1948 and all Jerusalem 1967.

      1) Rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem? Kind of hard to do since the Temple still stood during Christ's lifetime.

      Jesus prophesied that the Temple would be destroyed. Fulfilled.

      Matthew 24:2
      And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

      2) Re-establish Jewish law as the only law?

      Not sure where you got this??

      3) Save Israel? Lessee – just after His death (and Zombification)the Holy Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, Jerusalem was laid to waste, and the Jews went into exile to begin a 1900 year long night of persecution, — largely at the hands of Jesus' followers.

      This is the second coming The Day of the Lord. Jesus first came to filfill Isaiah 53 and die for the sins of the world. Israel was reborn in 1948 to fulfill

      8"In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them. 9"And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11"In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. Zechariah12:1-11

      4) Establish a world government run from Jerusalem?

      After the Day of the Lord

      September 5, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • mama kindless

      There's also a real good likelihood that there were plenty of Bernie Madoffs and Rush Limbaughs and Michele Bachmanns and Milli Vanillis running around during those times.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Reality

      Actually, most contemporary NT exegetes believe after exhaustive research that the epistles to Timothy (and Ti-tus) were not written by Paul but by "wannabee" Pauls. See Father Ray Brown's analyses in his 878 page book, An Introduction to the New Testament pp. 639, 654, 673,
      an excerpt:

      "Authenticity: Probably written by a disciple of Paul or a sympathetic commentator of the Pauline heritage several decades after the apostle's death. "

      See also Professors Crossan and Reed's book, In Search of Paul and Professor Bruce Chilton's book, Rabbi Paul.

      And Paul (or his "wannabees") the Prophet? Hardly, he could not even get the timing of Jesus' second coming correct but it did serve to dramatically increase both the conversion rate and the coffers. Hmmm, contemporary preachers/fortune tellers/Mormon "profiteers" still use that con game

      September 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Bob

      Since we've got Leo dumping quotes on us again from the Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, let's have a look at some of the horrors that are really in that evil book:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      September 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Reality

      Matt 24: 2 = Mark 13: 1-3

      As per many contemporary NT scholars who have analyzed all of the NT's passages for historic truth, said passage was not uttered by the historic Jesus. It was invented by Mark and copied by Matthew. For example, see Professor Gerd Ludemann's conclusions in his book Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 88. and also http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb064.html

      Also from Father/Professor Raymond Brown’s, An Introduction to the New Testament, 2 Peter was
      the last canonical work written i.e. ~ 130 AD, author unknown. Tis a bit dated for use in claiming accurate history.

      September 5, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
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