Rising anti-Islamic sentiment in America troubles Muslims
The ruins of a mosque in Joplin, Missouri, after a fire last month that Muslims leaders suspect was an arson.
September 5th, 2012
01:19 PM ET

Rising anti-Islamic sentiment in America troubles Muslims

By Moni Basu, CNN

(CNN) -
When the nation pauses to remember 9/11 next week, a group of Tennesseans will gather at the Embassy Suites Hotel in Franklin for a commemoration. But it will be more than that.

On the program, called "The Threat in Our Backyard," is a lecture on Islam in public schools and a short film on Sharia finance.

It's a program organized by people who feel the American way of life is threatened by Islam - in particular, Sharia, or Islamic law.

Sharia would bring ruin to America, says Greg Johnson, vice president of the 9/12 Project Tennessee, a sponsor of the event that advocates for shifting government back to the intent of the Constitution's authors.

He says he has nothing against Muslims, but he takes issue with the tenets of Islam.

Sharia, he believes, would mean that practicing homosexuals would be put to death, women would not be educated and would be married off to men chosen by their fathers, and non-Muslims would become kafirs - nonbelievers - relegated to second-class citizenship.

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"And I don't want that coming to America," Johnson says.

He's not alone in his fears.

A tide of anti-Islam sentiment has been swelling across America in recent months, strong enough to prompt one imam to wish for the days immediately after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks when President George W. Bush declared that Muslims were not our enemies; that the war on terror was against a select few who acted upon their hate for America.

"In the 11 years since, we have retreated," says Abdullah Antepli, the Muslim chaplain at Duke University who likes to call himself the Blue Devil Imam.

Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. population. Yet, say Muslim advocates, they are a community besieged.

Hate crimes against Muslims spiked 50% in 2010, the last year for which FBI statistics are available. That was in a year marked by Muslim-bashing speech over the Islamic center near ground zero in Manhattan and Florida Pastor Terry Jones' threats to burn Qurans.

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Antepli likens the current climate to McCarthyism. Left unchecked, he says, anti-Muslim fervor, like racism and anti-Semitism, has the potential to evolve into something dangerous.

This year's holy month of Ramadan, which ended August 19, was marred by a spate of violence at U.S. Islamic centers that included a fire, a homemade bomb and pig parts. The incidents were unprecedented in scale and scope, says the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

At least seven mosques and one cemetery were attacked in the United States during Ramadan, according to the council and other groups that track such incidents.

Particularly visible on the anti-Muslim radar has been the state of Tennessee, where a mosque opened during Ramadan after two years of controversy. The new Islamic center in Murfreesboro opened a few weeks ago after delays caused by legal wrangling, community protests and vandalism.

Also in Tennessee, incumbent congresswoman Diane Black found herself publicly opposing Sharia after her opponent Lou Ann Zelenik made it a campaign issue.

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State senatorial candidate Woody Degan's website also mentions Sharia:

"VOTE CONSERVATIVE! VOTE Anti-Sharia, VOTE Against Internet Taxes, Vote FOR Gun Carry Rights! VOTE for your PERSONAL RIGHTS!"

And Gov. Bill Haslam recently came under fire for hiring lawyer Samar Ali, a Muslim woman from Tennessee, to work in the international division of the state's economic development department.

Ali's critics called her Sharia-compliant and a website called Bill H(Islam) attacked the governor for pursuing "a policy that promotes the interest of Islamist (sic) and their radical ideology."

The website links to another that discusses, among other things, Islamic infiltration of public schools.

"I cannot stress enough the seriousness of their push to spread their religion to all non-Muslims throughout our country," says website author Cathy Hinners, another speaker at next Tuesday's 9/11 event in Franklin.

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"Why? Why are Muslims so adamant that we accept their religion? The answer is simple. The answer is in black and white. The answer is in the Muslim brotherhoods "Strategic Goal for North America." It's called a global caliphate. One religion, one government, one law... called Sharia."

In November 2010, more than 70% of voters in Oklahoma approved a ballot initiative to amend the state's constitution that banned courts from looking at "legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia law."

The amendment died after a federal court ruled it discriminatory.

"That was very explicitly anti-Islamic," says Glenn Hendrix, an Atlanta lawyer who specializes in international law. "It specifically referenced Sharia."

This year, 33 anti-Sharia or international law bills were introduced in 20 states, making it a key issue. Six states - Louisiana, South Dakota, Kansas, Arizona, Louisiana and Tennessee - adopted such laws prior to 2012.

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Two Tennessee lawmakers attempted to pass a bill this year that would have made it a felony to practice Sharia, but it failed.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations says the anti-Sharia bills are based on draft legislation promoted by David Yerushalmi, an anti-Islamic lawyer from New York.

Yerushalmi founded the Society of Americans for National Existence, an organization devoted to promoting his theory that Islam is inherently seditious and Sharia is a "criminal conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

"Ideally," says the center, "he would outlaw Islam and deport its adherents altogether."

Hendrix says anti-Sharia legislation is not necessary since U.S. courts ultimately are beholden to U.S. law.

But it sends a strong message to the Muslim community.

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The American Bar Association, which opposes federal or state laws that impose blanket prohibitions on foreign laws, says such legislative initiatives stigmatize an entire religious community and "are inconsistent with some of the core principles and ideals of American jurisprudence."

Valarie Kaur, a legal advocate and hate crimes specialist, says proponents of anti-Sharia bills are battling an imaginary threat.

"There is no push to install Sharia law in the U.S.," she says. "Anti-Sharia bills target the religious principles of Muslim Americans and fuel anti-Muslim rhetoric and bias. As a Sikh American whose community has too often become the target of hate, I believe it's time to stand against all forms of racism and religious bigotry."

An attack at a Wisconsin Sikh temple last month killed six people. Many believe the shooter mistook Sikhs for Muslims. A Sikh gas station attendant in Arizona was the first victim of reprisal after the 9/11 attacks.

Kaur blames tough economic times and an amplification of hateful speech for incidents like the temple shooting and the momentum behind the anti-Sharia campaign.

For Muslims, Sharia - which means "path to the watering hole" in Arabic - is the divine law revealed centuries ago in the Quran that governs all aspects of life. More often than not, it's the most sensational parts of Sharia - like cutting off a thief's hand - that garner the most publicity.

U.S. courts bump up against it in cases of divorces, inheritance, child custody, enforcement of money judgments and commercial disputes or tort actions.

A trial court in New Jersey, for instance, ruled that a husband, who was Muslim, lacked the criminal intent to commit sexual assault on his wife because Sharia permits a man to have sex with his wife whenever he wants.

That's the kind of ruling that fuels anti-Sharia activists.

Nashville health-care investor Andrew Miller says there's no room for democracy within Islamic ideology. All you have to do is look to any Islamic state, he says.

"If you wanted to pray to a large rock and that was your God, I could care less," he says. "But the minute you want to put a gun to my head and say you will pray to this large rock and your family will or you will pay the price, that's when I see a bully. I see an overbearing ideology that wants to force and coerce people.

Miller describes himself as a tolerant person but not when it comes to people dictating how others will live.

"That's antithetical to the freedoms that we value, the liberty we value," he says.

The message that Islam is evil has been repeated so many times - sometimes directly, sometimes in a more subtle fashion - that it has sunk in as reality in the hearts and minds of many Americans, says Antepli, the Duke chaplain.

Part of it is fear of the unknown, he says.

"I, too, would have a monstrous image of Islam if I did not know any better."

But another part of it is orchestrated, he says, referring to "well-organized and polished" anti-Islam websites that have sprouted in recent years. Marry that with ignorance and the end result is lethal, Antepli says.

The Center for American Progress, a liberal research and advocacy organization, published a report last year that attributed the rise of Islamophobia to a "small, tightly-networked group of misinformation experts."

The report called "Fear, Inc." lists seven foundations that gave $42.6 million to think tanks to promote anti-Islamic thought.

It describes "deeply intertwined individuals and organizations" that "manufacture and exaggerate threats of 'creeping Sharia,' Islamic domination of the West, and purported obligatory calls to violence against all non-Muslims by the Quran."

The issue of Sharia, say some Muslims, has become a political hot potato in an election year.

GOP candidates Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann mentioned Sharia in their campaign speeches. This year's Republican Party platform makes mention of foreign laws:

"Subjecting American citizens to foreign laws is inimical to the spirit of the Constitution. It is one reason we oppose U.S. participation in the International Criminal Court. There must be no use of foreign law by U.S. courts in interpreting our Constitution and laws. Nor should foreign sources of law be used in State courts' adjudication of criminal or civil matters."

That's the message Miller hopes people will take away from next week's 9/11 meeting; that the tenets of Islam go against the constitution of the United States.

It's diametrically opposed to what people like Antepli and Kaur will be saying as America remembers the horror of terrorism. Hateful sentiment, they say, is not the answer.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (2,383 Responses)
  1. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    This is again a reason why religion is so dangerous. There is no god, and only man made religions are capable of doing the evil things done to man,.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Jack 3

      It's not righ to tell everyone that believes that they are wrong. It makes you sound arrogant and makes you sound like a religious person. Everyone has right to believe what they want as long as they don't hurt others.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Religion doesn't exist beyond the imaginations of people who are mutually deluded. People do evil, perhaps motivated by religion.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @Jack, it is my right to having said opinion that is so important to this country. Am I arrogant? Perhaps I am, or perhaps I am simply tired of the religious attempting to impose their way of life on everyone else. Your comment rings of a pot calling a kettle black.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Rabidmob

      You can't prove if there is, isn't, was, wasn't, will, or won't be a god. Also blaming religion is kind of foolish, as it's not the organized body at fault. Man's own nature is evil. We sustain our lives off the suffering of the plants and animals we have contorted to our will. Nature is this way, suffering is abound. Get over your hypocritical anti-religious atheistic proselytizing.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • ensense

      CollegeAdmissionguru if you dont believe in god then put your Quran down or burn it, I will hold on to my religious books. One more tactic of ISLAM pretend to be atheist and confuse the infidels into diluting their belief and sow discord so that they will break their ranks and unity.

      September 6, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  2. Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

    If they had an ounce of sense they would promote a national figure, or elect somehow, a spokesperson, who, when things go bad, the media could turn to for a statement, or guidance. The fact they are unorganized, and inept is their problem.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Well I see you atheist are out in full force spreading your hatred for God. Notice who is most quoted in the Golden rule. Jesus Christ's wisdom. Why do the cusions on my couch swish when I move my butt? Stay on the wrong side of the gulf until you are blotted out for eternity.


      September 5, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Stupid squirrels.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  3. AZ Wildcat

    There have been 81 bombings recorded in the United States in the last ten years – none of them were Muslim, over 60 were by "Christians". Now who are the terrorists?

    September 5, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      Agreed..... we are only NOT considered terrorists because we are "on the side of right" or so they would have us believe.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • The truth

      And you got those numbers from where exactly? And even if they're true, regular people who commit murder or a crime for other reasons cannot be associated with a religion just because they happen to be Christian or Muslim. But when a man goes and commits a crime in the name of a specific religion, then we have a problem! Guess who does that ? Yeah, that's right: Muslims...You got clerics and sheiks going off calling the west infidels and telling people to go for Jihad....One drawing out of Denmark and millions of Muslims are mad and they go violently protest and burn embassies...I know you're a Muslim from your biased argument...you know the kind of messages that are being taught to Muslim kids everywhere..stop fooling yourself.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • ensense

      In the madrasa you teach your kids to hate non believer and that they are different because of their religion. but your come out of the madarasa and pretend to be secular.

      September 6, 2012 at 10:34 am |
  4. Nasir

    Religion has always been used as a tool for political gains and this is no different. However, Sharia has no place in modern societies but if you care to look you will find that except in Saudi Arabia and some fringe failed states like Yemen and sub-Saharn countries, no other Muslim country has Sharia laws in place. Most Muslim countries have some bits and pieces of Sharia personal law. Even most populous Muslim countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia have had women Prime ministers or Presidents. So much for adherence to Sharia.
    One thing is true though that conservative Islam aka Wahabism is on the rise, fuelled by oil power of Saudi Arabia and must be checked, but US conservatives are barking the wrong tree when they attack American Muslims.
    US should take the matter up with their Saudi allies and ask them to shut down the promotion of their version of intolerant bigoted ideology around the world.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Nasir, satan has been using his lies to spew hatred for our Lord God and His gift to us, His son Jesus. Open your mind to Jesus' truth which he gave to us in His letter to us the Bible. I don't even bother to take off my mumu anymore, it absorbs the moisture. You are too blind to see His truth whether I write it in street language or scripture form.


      September 5, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @HS, satan does not exist any more than god or Jesus exist. I feel for you..

      September 5, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Nasir

      @HS not sure how your reply was relevant to my comment but no thanks, I am a secular humanist since I was a teenager and have no desire to or time to explore any religion or god.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • ensense

      College admission guru so does your Allah.

      September 6, 2012 at 10:35 am |
  5. Ed

    I can't help but wonder if these folks who are worried about Sharia law are from the Christian religious right. The ones who want to ban gay marriage and abortion, and teach creationism in school based upon their Christian views. If you want the First Amendment to protect you from the tenents of Islam, you must start by realizing that it must also protect against those of Christianity

    September 5, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
  6. wildman

    islam = death. islam= hell on earth. islam=mass murder. islam has no place in the u.s.a. send them to wherever they think life will treat them better. get them out of america. WE DON'T WANT YOU. GO AWAY!!!!

    September 5, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Skeptik

      for someone so pro-america you sure are quick to assume YOUR beliefs are the same as everyone else's... America thrives off of different perspectives. Try adopting one.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • wildman

      Islam = the insects that crawl all over me that other people tell me they can't see but they lie! Islam = Purple Barney, the dog next door who tells me with his amazing mind waves to kill Kill KILL!!!

      September 5, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • nottolate


      "America thrives off of different perspectives."

      No it don't. Do you think before you write? Think about what you wrote for a second. The result of "different perspectives" is disunity, chaos, confusion, animosity, war, and ruin. We're seeing it in the "perspectives" of the right vs the left. America use to be made up of a people with just one perspective. That what made it so successful. Now every man does what seems right in his/her own eyes and we see the result is a decaying America.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahahahhhha! "No it don't."

      What a friggin' moron. And where the h3ll did you get the idea that citizens of this country used to have just "one perspective"?

      Nottoobright, you're the one who needs a history class.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      "America use to be made up of a people with just one perspective. " When was that? Certainly not in the beginning and not recently.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  7. FlyingSpaghettiMonster

    All religious people need to take a deep breath, look in the mirror and say: "I realize that I am going to die one day. And that when I do, I will turn cold and be placed in the ground to rot. That's it, nothing more. Now I'm going to go do something extraordinary and constructive for the rest of my life rather than babble hate and nonsense."

    September 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent


      Spoken like someone who has swallowed satan's lies hook line and sinker. Jesus said he would give you reprobate minds. I am baby sitting my 12 year old daughter's kids. Matthew 21:21


      September 5, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Rabidmob

      That's a rather boring perspective. How about instead we resurrect all of the dead and then have everyone atone for every wrong doing ever committed.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  8. Skeptik

    Western religion – all western religion since the dawn of religion – was a peoples way of explaining their existence and their universe. It was a series of laws and rules that ensured the greatest success in reproduction and survival in their society. Today, in the modern world, religion's ancient role has been usurped by science. There really is no longer a need to heed religious scriptures when we now have an exponentially increasing ability to discover and extrapolate upon the most efficient ways to live and ensure the survival of our species and our offspring.

    This isn't to say that all of what religions had to say was wrong, but it does prompt an intelligent person to question and determine for themselves what was right based on scientific data and personal experience. We must abandon the mystical and the barbaric and keep the pacifying and the empathetic aspects.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  9. Jack 3

    I for one don't hate someone for being a muslim but i do hate the religion. I'm not fond of any religion but feel threatened by this particular one because of what I've seen them do around the world since 9-11 and their history before that. We who oppose their presence ( because it brings islam) here look down the road 10 to 30 years and see a large population demandind sharia law. All muslims must abide by some form of Sharia law or they aren't true muslims. That being considered makes me worry for our children and grandchilderns lives beyond us. I don't fear for myself because I'm older and can take care of myself still. This religion is what it is...it is geared for takeover and control. it oppresses women and men as well. It's just not good for the Us and our type of democracy.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  10. KeyWester

    Sharia law is not a threat in this country. However self righteous, bigoted narrowminded "christian" fanatics certainly are.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Skeptik

      all religion is a threat to the country, no one more than any other.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • ensense

      Only a Muslim hiding behind a christian moniker can say that.

      September 6, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  11. zeliha mcnicol

    This is nothing more than political stunts during election season....

    September 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
  12. Warwulf

    I dont the North Americans are paranoid enough about this. Take a look at the Sudan. This was a country of native blacks. The muslim Arabs decided they liked the geography, the oil...who knows? Through sheer numbers, they take over the government and then slaughter all the natives by the hundreds of thousands. This sounds like something from the middle ages but the reality is this is a recent event and actually happening right now. These native blacks were mostly muslim! But they werent arab so they had to go. I can give you more examples through history of identical ethnic cleansing (Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Indonesia on and on and on).
    This is what will happen in Europe in our lifetime. And will likely happen to our kids in North america.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • Satan

      Well, you only gave 1 example...and it isn't a specific example of Muslim aggression since you just stated that it's Muslim-on-Muslim. If that's all you've got, should we go down the list of Christian atrocities against other Christians? The Inquisition the Catholic Church embarked upon against the Protestants and scientists of the day comes to mind....burning "non-believers" at the stake, not for denying God, but for questioning the authority of the Christendom. So really, do you want to play this game. What this is about is people who have an irrational fear of EVERYTHING and will stop at nothing to protect themselves from it. As a response, they create stories about how Muslims are wicked and barbaric and bloodthirsty and how they aim to destroy American values. Most Christians don't even go to church...what makes you think most Muslims rally against democracy and equality. Just shut up and use reason. The world is ACTUALLY not as scary a place as you think it is. If you want me to give you a hug and comfort you until you're ready to step out into the world I'm here for ya, kiddo.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
  13. vidal808

    Nevermind muslims – Sharia law does NOT belong here, period. It should be outlawed and made sure it does not fleurish in some obscure places where muslims congregate. If they want to practice that part of their radical religion, they can go back where they came from.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • KeyWester

      I believe you meant flourish? Other than that this is utter nonsense.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  14. cmh01

    They're on to something. Maybe we should have some kind of 'seperation between church and state' in the US.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • KeyWester

      Apparently there are some people who don't realize that we do already.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Alice


      September 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  15. bingo 155

    i have to take a #2

    September 5, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  16. bingo 155

    Just because you dont believe in something, does not make you a bigot. look it up. stop calling everyone a bigot if they dont share your point of view. stop whining and get a job!

    September 5, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  17. HeavenSent

    What part of Jesus' truth is clarity and satan's lies are confusion do you not comprehend? Jesus Christ's truth are resurrected to eternity. I bag up my feces because I can longer find the bathroom. Stay on the wrong side of the gulf until you are blotted out for eternity.


    September 5, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • Alice

      Just chill. No need to get so worked up.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Hell Sent

      Why don't you go to suck Jesus' decayed d.i.c.k.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • JannatSent

      What part of Mohammad's truth is clarity and infidel's lies are confusion do you not comprehend? I had HeavenSent to bag up my feces because I could not locate a bathroom in his Bronx apartment. Stay on the wrong side of the muslim wars and you will be blotted out for eternity.


      September 5, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  18. nottolate

    And why wouldn't there be anti-muslim sentiments? Anything else amounts to idolatry.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:12 pm |


      and what makes you so sure that it is not YOU who are the idolator?

      September 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • nottolate


      notto, and what makes you so sure that it is not YOU who are the idolator?

      Fair enough question. Answer: Because I have the witness within myself. Something no muslim , sikh, jew, or hindu can testify too.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Of course they can. They can say whatever they choose. Just like you. Doesn't make it true anymore than what you say is true.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:38 pm |


      Islam has the same schtick as you do... about being inspired by "God" 'n that.

      Surah An-Najm :

      وَالنَّجْمِ إِذَا هَوَى
      {1} By the star when it sets!
      مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَى
      {2} Your companion has not strayed; he is not deluded;
      وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى
      {3} he does not speak from his own desire.
      إِنْ هُوَ إِلا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى
      {4} It is nothing less than a inspiration that is inspired to him
      عَلَّمَهُ شَدِيدُ الْقُوَى
      {5} It was taught to him by one with mighty powers,
      ذُو مِرَّةٍ فَاسْتَوَى
      {6} great strength, who stood
      وَهُوَ بِالأُفُقِ الأَعْلَى
      {7} on the highest horizon
      ثُمَّ دَنَا فَتَدَلَّى
      {8} and then approached––coming down
      فَكَانَ قَابَ قَوْسَيْنِ أَوْ أَدْنَى
      {9} until he was two bow-lengths away or even closer
      فَأَوْحَى إِلَى عَبْدِهِ مَا أَوْحَى
      {10} and revealed to God’s servant what He revealed.
      مَا كَذَبَ الْفُؤَادُ مَا رَأَى
      {11} [The Prophet’s] own heart did not distort what he saw.
      أَفَتُمَارُونَهُ عَلَى مَا يَرَى
      {12} Are you going to dispute with him what he saw?

      September 5, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • nottolate


      "notto, Islam has the same schtick as you do... about being inspired by "God" 'n that"

      It is clear you did not understand what I meant when I said, we have the witness within ourselves and nor can other can testify to that. That witness is God himself. See, God himself comes personally and indwells the person who is the authentic Christian. No one else can say that without lying. When you have another person living on the inside of you you definitely know it.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What bull. You say you know you have god inside you. What makes you think others are not just as certain they have god inside them? Why should anyone believe YOU but think everyone ELSE is lying?

      September 5, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And since when is 'god' a person who lives inside another's body?

      I think what is living inside you is a brain tumor.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • nottolate

      "And since when is 'god' a person who lives inside another's body?"

      Should I let him wallow in his own ignorance as I usually do? Not like he could learn anything anyway. To busy being a pest and demeaning others to know anything at all. Nevertheless, it is written,

      16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?

      and again

      19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.


      What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost,.... What is said in 1Co 3:16 of the saints in general, is here said of their bodies in particular. The Holy Spirit, in regeneration and sanctification, when he begins the good work of grace on a man, takes possession of his whole person, soul and body, and dwells therein as in his temple. So the Jews {o} call the body of a righteous man משכן, the "habitation" of the Holy Spirit. Now it is most abominably scandalous and shameful that that body, which is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit, which is sacred to him as a temple, should be defiled by the sin of fornication: it is added,

      which is in you, which ye have of God; meaning the Holy Spirit which was in them, as in his temple; which dwelt in their hearts, and influenced their bodies, lives, and conversations; and which they received of God as a wonderful instance of his grace and love to them; that he should be bestowed upon them, to regenerate, renew, and sanctify them, to implant every grace, to make them a fit habitation for God, and meet for the inheritance of the saints in light:

      and ye are not your own: their own masters, at their own dispose, to live to their own lusts, or the lusts of men; men have not power over their bodies to abuse them at pleasure by fornication, or such like uncleanness, neither single nor married persons; see 1Co 7:4 and of all men, not the saints, who are neither their own nor other men's, nor Satan's, but God's; not only by creation, but by choice and covenant; and Christ's by gift, by purchase, and powerful grace, and in a conjugal relation to him; wherefore fornication ill becomes them.

      Holy Spirti: the third Person of the adorable Trinity.

      His personality is proved (1) from the fact that the attributes of personality, as intelligence and volition, are ascribed to him (John 14:17, 26; 15:26; 1 Cor. 2:10, 11; 12:11). He reproves, helps, glorifies, intercedes (John 16:7-13; Rom. 8:26). (2) He executes the offices peculiar only to a person. The very nature of these offices involves personal distinction (Luke 12:12; Acts 5:32; 15:28; 16:6; 28:25; 1 Cor. 2:13; Heb. 2:4; 3:7; 2 Pet. 1:21).

      His divinity is established (1) from the fact that the names of God are ascribed to him (Ex. 17:7; Ps. 95:7; comp. Heb. 3:7-11); and (2) that divine attributes are also ascribed to him, omnipresence (Ps. 139:7; Eph. 2:17, 18; 1 Cor. 12:13); omniscience (1 Cor. 2:10, 11); omnipotence (Luke 1:35; Rom. 8:11); eternity (Heb. 9:4). (3) Creation is ascribed to him (Gen. 1:2; Job 26:13; Ps. 104:30), and the working of miracles (Matt. 12:28; 1 Cor. 12:9-11). (4) Worship is required and ascribed to him (Isa. 6:3; Acts 28:25; Rom. 9:1; Rev. 1:4; Matt. 28:19).

      Again, none other can attest to this without lying. It is only us who have the witness in ourselves that we are in fact the children of the Most High God.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Quoting your holy book is no more proof than is the quote from the guy who posted back to you.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • nottolate

      "Quoting your holy book is no more proof than is the quote from the guy who posted back to you."

      Which has absolutely nothing to do with his assertion:

      "And since when is 'god' a person who lives inside another's body? I think what is living inside you is a brain tumor."

      September 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Of course it does. You are claiming your book is proof that a god is a person living inside you. Your book is proof other nothing of the sort, nottoobright.

      I'd love to hear more about how everyone in this country once had only one perspective. It makes as much sense as everything else you write.

      September 5, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • nottolate

      "Of course it does. You are claiming your book is proof that a god is a person living inside you. Your book is proof other nothing of the sort, nottoobright."

      Except you conveniently forgot this part: When you have another person living on the inside of you you definitely know it.

      Has nothing to do with claiming what a book says then. Did those before us have a book? No. Yet they knew they were indwelt just like we know. Then you come along claiming it ain't so cause of a book you are opposed to. Not to mention that even if there was no book, yours it like telling a person they didn't see something when they know they did and you weren't even there.

      September 5, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Except you conveniently forgot this part: When you have another person living on the inside of you you definitely know it."

      Schizophrenics say the same thing, dumbfvck.

      And so do all the OTHER nut-jobs just like you who believe in every other religion. How fvcking stupid are you? You bozos, no matter what you believe, don't "know" anything. You believe something. It's not fact; it's faith.

      September 5, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • nottolate

      Don't know how to act do ya? No home training obviously and parents completely disengaged in your upbringing. Oh well, its back to ignore for you.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nottoobright, get back to me when you graduate from high school. You're dumber than a box of hair.

      Thanks for proving it once again. If nothing else, you're consistent.

      September 5, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Oh PLEASE don't throw me in the briar patch!"

      September 5, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  19. Satan

    "They may only be 2% now, but they populate like rats! The first test will be in europe, where the low birth rates of the europeans will lead to sharia law in the next 10-20 years as the percentage of muslims will be the majority. Italy and France are 2 of the most at risk" -- You sound like a lunatic. People in Europe are too busy getting educations to become parents by age 18...unlike here, apparently. I would rather live next to educated DEVOUT Muslims than many of the "Christian" folk you find infesting parts of this country. Educated people don't behave like animals. Muslims invented algebra and calculus and written language while Christian Europe was being wiped out by the Bubonic plague. EXTREMISTS are the problem, not BELIEFS.

    September 5, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • Warwulf

      Its what I always suspected. Satan is misguided.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Satan

      You obviously don't know what Satan means. Satan and Lucifer are used interchangably in a negative context by Christians and Muslims because they simply don't know what either word means. Satan, literally, means "the opposer" and Lucifer, in Christian belief, was God's most perfect angel...his original right-hand man. He fell out of God's good graces because he QUESTIONED God. In the abstract, that makes him my hero because EVERYONE should QUESTION authority. Doing what you're commanded to do isn't freedom and you will never find happiness doing it. If we all blindly trusted authority figures (pastors, priests, imams, rabbis, Presidents, police officers, business leaders, popes, etc...) we'd all still be riding around on horses, heating our huts with poop, and grunting.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Talmid

      "Educated people don't behave like animals."

      Mohammed Atta, 9/11 Hijacker, – degree in architecture
      Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, alleged 9/11 conspirator, degree in mechanical engineering
      Wail al-Shehri, 9/11 Hijacker, degree in physical education
      "Ted" Kaczynski, Terrorist Bomber, PhD in mathematics

      I could go on.

      ...theory blown

      September 5, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Satan


      "Educated people don't behave like animals."

      Mohammed Atta, 9/11 Hijacker, – degree in architecture
      Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, alleged 9/11 conspirator, degree in mechanical engineering
      Wail al-Shehri, 9/11 Hijacker, degree in physical education
      "Ted" Kaczynski, Terrorist Bomber, PhD in mathematics

      I could go on.

      ...theory blown

      Not really. There are outliers in any statistical sample. I can say with 99.9999% certainty that educated people don't behave like those guys do. By pointing out a handful of educated men who engage in terrorism does NOT disprove the overriding statement that educated people don't act like animals. There are bad eggs in every batch.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • nottolate

      Satan, literally, means "the opposer" and Lucifer, in Christian belief, was God's most perfect angel...his original right-hand man. He fell out of God's good graces because he QUESTIONED God.

      Wrong on all accounts. And ADVERSARY would be more accurate rather than OPPOSER. God has no "right hand man." Never has and never will. Satan was kicked out because being full of pride he wanted to be God. Had nothing to do with questioning him.

      September 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  20. jb

    Not all Muslims believe in Islam in it's entirety and not all Christians follow Christianity to the T here, so what is this discussion about?

    September 5, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • Jack 3

      The recent actions of islam in the world over the last 15 years is enough to put fear in anyone. These so-called moderstes don't control that religion, they just support it, the imams and clerics whom are almost all radical control it.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Satan

      @Jack 3, here's a little taste of reality for you. Based on all the terrorist attacks and the fatalities that resulted from them in the entire world since 9/11/2001, you have a 1:20,000,000 chance of being killed by an Islamic terrorist. By comparison, you have a 1:19,000 chance of dying in a car accident on your way to work...which, when you consider that there are MORE CARS on the road in the United States at any given moment than there are terrorists IN THE ENTIRE WORLD COMBINED one has to ask why you are afraid of them at all. As a percentage of the world's population, the total number of people killed by terrorists in in the decade following 9/11 is less than 1%. That's data straight from the U.S. State Department and the Global Terrorism Database...it's all public record and you can call it all up with just a few clicks of your mouse. Your fear of Muslims is irrational and WRONG. So stop it.

      September 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
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