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Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?
A voice vote to change the DNC party platform turned to chaos Wednesday night.
September 6th, 2012
03:24 PM ET

Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – This convention season has not been good for atheists.

The word "God" was reinserted in the Democratic platform after it had been removed. A plan to raise atheist billboards in the convention cities was stymied by opponents. And though there were preachers and rabbis and other religious leaders opening and closing each day of each convention, there wasn’t an avowed atheist talking up unbelief on either convention’s speaking list.

The political lockout has left many nonbelievers asking, “What political party represents me?”

“We are deeply saddened by the exclusion of a large number of Americans by both parties,” said Teresa MacBain, a spokeswoman for the group American Atheists, in an interview on Thursday. “It amazes me that in modern-day America, so much prejudice still exists.”

After word spread Wednesday that Democrats left God out of their platform, atheists rejoiced. “Truly amazing news,” wrote Loren Miller on Atheist Nexus, a popular atheist blog. “The Republicans remain in the firm grasp of right-wing Christian religiosity, and I really don't know what it's going to take to free them from it.”

But the convention committee immediately received huge pressure get God back in the platform. Even President Obama, according to CNN reporting, said, “Why on earth would that have been taken out?” when he first heard of the omission.

In an awkward session that required three voice votes on the convention floor, the Democrats opted to add “God” back to the platform.

For atheists, the Democrats were seen to be taking away a hard-fought victory. “We had 24 hours of joy as we felt (that) finally our government values all people,” said MacBain. “But that was short-lived. The vote last night angered many atheists and left them feeling excluded once again.”

Online, atheist websites and Facebook pages went from upbeat to downcast as news spread of the platform revision.

“Obama was the first president to acknowledge non believers,” Mark Musante wrote on the American Atheists’ Facebook page. “I wish he would stick to his guns.”

Musante was referring to Obama’s 2009 inauguration speech, when the president said, “We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers.”

Beverly Sitherwood, on the Friendly Atheist blog Facebook page, accused the Democrats of “Pandering for power.”

Some atheist leaders used the platform defeat as a rallying call.

“I guess a tiny step was too much to ask for,” David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, told CNN. “This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population - we don’t count. Well, guess what, Dems - we do. And we vote.”

Silverman says that 16% of the voting public identify as nonbelievers. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, 12% of the electorate in 2008 was made up of people with no religious affiliation, though experts say the number of avowed atheists is much smaller.

While acknowledging atheists, Obama has given platforms to high-profile religious leaders, including Rick Warren, a megachurch pastor who prayed at his inauguration, and Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who is giving the final prayer of the convention on Thursday night.

American Atheists’ plans to raise billboards ridiculing the presidential candidates’ faith ended in failure. After the group put up billboards in Charlotte, North Carolina, the site of the Democratic National Convention, last month, it quickly removed them due to “physical threats to not only our staff, but the billboard company as well.”

American Atheists had also planned on a billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there. But American Atheists said that all the billboard companies in Tampa rejected a sign taking aim at GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith.

Perhaps because of the Republican Party’s ties to conservative Christianity, atheists tend to be Democrats. According to a 2012 Pew study, 71% of Americans who identified as atheist were Democrats.

“The Republicans who spoke at the RNC seemed more like televangelists than politicians,” MacBain said. “The message was clear from the RNC: Get God, or get out.”

The Republican’s 2012 platform mentions God 12 times, many of which describe the “God-given” rights that the Republican Party says are inherent to the American idea.

Though most atheist groups claim that there are closeted atheists serving as representatives and senators, only one has come out as such.

In September 2007, Rep. Pete Stark, Democrat of California, affirmed his atheism in a speech at the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Atheism • God • Politics

soundoff (3,922 Responses)
  1. Joe

    I thought about being an atheist once, the pride comes easily for me, but I just couldn't do that whole bigotry thing they do, and they silence free speech, remove crosses and Christmas decorations (you can have Christmas decorations in public in Egypt, so we're not really teh land of the free) and they spend a lot of money on promoting bigotry against religious minorities. However, they are accepted by Democrats (they posted their mocking anti-Christian billboards) The Democratic party will accept anyone who votes for them, even if they are Socialists, racists (gay socialists, etc)

    September 7, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • snowboarder

      joe – i think you are projecting.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • snowboarder

      joe – are you truly suggesting that in america we can't have christmas decorations in public? that is rich!

      September 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      I thought about being an atheist once

      This is slightly dishonest, don't you think? If you believe, how would you "think" about becoming an atheist? Do you believe because you choose to, or because of your life experience?

      the pride comes easily for me,

      Pride is not necessarily a bad thing. Pride becomes a stumbling block when it is over blown or blinding.

      but I just couldn't do that whole bigotry thing they do,

      I'm seeing some of that pride thing you think you do so well. It is easy to point a finger and call someone a name. And the word "bigot" seems to be a favorite these days. It's bandied about on all sides, and seldom in a way that rings true.

      and they silence free speech,

      What atheist has impinged your free speech? Is it silencing free speech to speak themselves? Is it silencing free speech to request that the government uphold the constitution?

      remove crosses and Christmas decorations (you can have Christmas decorations in public in Egypt, so we're not really teh land of the free)

      You can place any and all crosses and Christmas decorations on public display on your private property. The government (local, state or federal) can not display ANY religious symbol, unless they wish to display ALL religious symbols. To do otherwise would violate the constitution.

      and they spend a lot of money on promoting bigotry against religious minorities.

      I'm going to need you to cite this with some references please. The only people I see spending money on promoting bigotry are firmly on the faith side of the equation.

      However, they are accepted by Democrats (they posted their mocking anti-Christian billboards) The Democratic party will accept anyone who votes for them, even if they are Socialists, racists (gay socialists, etc)

      The democratic party upholds a great American value. Equality. Possibly the most American value. Ranks right up there with Freedom.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • To Summarize

      I thought about being an atheist once – B S

      I just couldn't do that whole bigotry thing they do, and they silence free speech – B S anyone and everyone are welcome into the undefined group of free thinkers.

      remove crosses and Christmas decorations – B S , just does not happen here in US, unless you count most stores three weeks into January, but then they have them ready to go the day after Holloween so they can be up in everyone face for almost 3 months out of the year.

      they spend a lot of money on promoting bigotry against religious minorities – B S, very little money is spent by the few organized atheists compared to the millions spent by organized religion. The fact is that by 2007 the Catholic Church alone spent $650,000,000 on settlements from priest abuse cases, last atheist billboards cost just over $1 million. And at over 70% of the populace it's hard to claim Christians are a "religious minority".

      "even if they are Socialists, racists (gay socialists, etc)" So Joe here calls atheists "bigots" then refers to the "gay socialists" showing how bigoted he really is.

      Joe, you are a dishonest, disgusting bigot who doesn't deserve the freedoms and security you are currently enjoying that were meant for everyone in this country, not just the smug ignorant white male protestant bigots who gained power and control during the darkest periods of American history, establishing their "old money" power structure on the backs of the slaves and that money and property still survives to this day. Just take a look at the history of property rights in almost every southern state and you can see the clear line drawn between the old bigots and the generations that followed inherriting all the wealth while trying to abandon any fault or guilt for how they got it.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Joe, Thinking about being an atheist is not the same thing as DOING THE THINKING that leads you to atheism. It's like saying, "I thought about getting a job once..." This very different than thinking about HOW to get a job. Really, your expression is just exposing a level of intellectual laziness. Rather than do the work required to critically come to conclusion, you sit back and only think about what thinking would be like if you thought—which, is not really thinking.

      As to the Christmas remark, I doubt you have read many of the posts here but a lot of atheists have come out in support of the cross being at the memorial. Most atheists I know recognize that xmas trees are actually pagan symbols celebrating the winter solstice, and having them is actually condemned in the bible. Why would we be against that? So, can you see the difference here in the power of thinking versus, thinking about thinking?

      September 11, 2012 at 12:03 am |
  2. Julia

    Believe or don't believe...its all the same to me. But I am sooo tired of all the bickering and descrimination. Best way to end anger in the name of religion is not to create more of it. The only people's behavior we are in control of is our own.

    September 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Adam

      And beliefs show themselves on the level of behavior. It matters what people believe. In many cases it matters gravely.

      September 7, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • snowboarder

      adam – very true. take the westboro baptists for instance or the radical islamists. their beliefs are broadcast in their daily lives.

      on the other hand, the average person of mild belief or none at all, go about their lives in a more contented society.

      September 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Julia

      Yes @ Adam and @ snowboarder. I definately agree it does matter what people believe, particularly when it comes to extremists. If I had my choice I'd soften extremist behavior and extremist beliefs (all sides) but of course theres always...how.?!?

      September 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  3. Reality

    Putting the kibosh/”google” on all religions in less than a minute: Tis amazing how easy this is --

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    prob•a•bly
    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    September 7, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Another fvcking novel by Reality.

      September 7, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Reality

      For those who are reading-challenged, a PowerPoint slide:

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
      THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      September 8, 2012 at 12:13 am |
  4. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    I am an atheist and I believe it is our duty as Free Thinkers to spread the word, to teach the world the truth. So long as men worship beings that do not exist, society is doomed.

    September 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      If you disagree, just look at this Presidential election and how much religion has divided this country. Without religion we could move forward with things like stem cell research, with religion we can't even agree on women's right to reproductive health, ie planned parenthood, abortion, etc.

      September 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      So you are sort of an evangelical free thinker?

      September 7, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Alpa Chino

      Bill, I don't get it. Are you trying to be funny?

      September 7, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • snowboarder

      rational thought does occasionally need an advocate.

      September 7, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • greg

      If you had the power would you force us to believe as you believe?

      September 7, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  5. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Atheism is hinduism, absurdity of hindu's pagans, Atheism is domain of hindu ignorant animals not of huam in their hindu Judaism filthy self center ism, every hindu Atheist or Jew's filthy self centered, deniers of truth absolute do not belong to humanity but with their own kind in a PIG, self centered farm, for more visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/

    September 7, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • NanH

      Wow, go back to bed, you must be tired after spewing so much hate

      September 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • HINDU

      HEY – HEY GUESS WHAT? YOUR MOM'S GONNA NEED SOME HELP AROUND THE HOUSE AFTER THE NIGHT WE HAD. I THINK YOU SHOULD GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND DO SOME CHORES

      September 7, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • rasko41

      Tesll your God He can kma.

      September 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      @HINDU – MY MAMA CAN TAKE CARE OF HER OWN BUSINESS. I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE NIGHT!

      September 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  6. tuvia

    -----------

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947by3X6_RU

    September 7, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • old ben

      This Jonathan Pollard is a traitor to the U.S. And a highly unstable lout to boot. Keep him locked up.

      And just google Richman and "red cow" to read more about this nutball.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Huebert

      Tuvia

      Please fvck off. No one is going to support freeing a convicted traitor.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • NanH

      waaa waaa waaa

      September 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  7. NanH

    Politics means pandering to the majority, the majority of Americans claim they believe in a higher being, let the politicians court the religious as long as when it comes to making policy separation of church and state are the rule.

    September 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • mzh

      You reminded me the early times of Christianity when the head of the state and the head of the church was same... like constentinople added trinity concept to the bibile on early third century... at that time there was no technologies like we have these days... these days if someone firts in this part of the world and the other part of the world know it right away.... but at that time it was not possible.... also if someone stood against the head of the state/church will be crucified...

      Peace!!!

      September 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Constentinople? Doesn't he always stay in Turkey?

      September 7, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      lol

      September 7, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • mzh

      at that time it was part of the roman emperor...

      September 7, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • mzh

      or byzentene 🙂 whatever...

      September 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
  8. more2bits

    Religion is one small step for mankind, one big leap to futility.

    September 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  9. Wrenn_NYC

    Do you know what I find amusing?

    The whole 'tacked on' take of this addition to the Democratic platform. Yet, the religious people will point and say ""Lookee, they're all mostly religious types, aren't they!!'

    Of course, the whole constant barrage of invocation to God in the Republican platform comes across as bogus, too.

    September 7, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • greg

      But it woke up all the prophecy types, Those fairy tales tell tales of the world doing as its doing. That little incident of Saying no to God three times tripped them all out. You got to believe it. But its all foolishness to non believers, But the fairy tales even said that too!

      September 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  10. Sivick

    Makes me glad i'm agnostic.

    September 7, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Huebert

      I herd a great quote, I think it is form Dawkins but I'm not sure. "Agnostic is atheist writ nice. Atheist is agnostic writ aggressive."

      September 7, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Amniculi

      If that's the case, I prefer atheist. Nobody is going to hand your rights to you. You need to fight for them.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Amniculi

      R'amen

      September 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Sivick, to calrify, you do believe there is a god, just that that god is unknowable?

      September 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • rasko41

      What are you if you don't care if there's a god?

      September 7, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Apatheistic?

      September 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • greg

      Shat out of luck when you die, hehe

      September 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
  11. gary

    religion = ancient myth. Atheism is myth understood. Religions have become dangerous. Too much science is denied because of religion.

    September 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Maybe because science does such a great job doing things..... chemical weapons, biological weapons.... heck, yall did such a great job with Nuclear weapons. And the work with drones and other new and better ways to kill folks.... maybe something needs to hold a bit of science in "check"

      Or , maybe science is just like everything in society, including Religion. In the wrong hands, can kill, hobble and subjugate millions of people or help millions.

      ....just depends on how us as humans use either.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • mzh

      Religion is the the guidance to follow to live this earthly life and the guidance has few DON"T and most of DO... like federal laws of the country and then state laws and then county and so on... the question that everyone should ask himself is how do i choose the correct one as there thousands out there... this is where human need to spend time and brain to think of and study different faiths and by using the brain chose the true one, because 2 can not be true... true should always be ONE... here individual should use their brain like whom should i believe and submit myself? to a creator or a creation? and so on... and then go thru all the faiths around the earth and then pick the one matches with your answer of the output of your study...

      Now the science is part of the religion and it is not other way around... because the one who discover things is being well taken care of by his Creator... and also The Creator would chose one among the entire earth to send a message to the mankind... that should not confuse us that the science or scientist is above The Creator... also if you pay attention that the scientist or no one can make anything or little tiny thing out of nothing, can they? we all make something out of something and these something comes from where? comes from the earth and who is the owner of the earth? i guess if you are intellectual enough to find the answer....

      So I would follow my religion as it is THE ONLY guidance for me to live this earthly life and at the same time I would be thankful to The Creator that someone among us been blessed to discover something with the help of the Creator of the earth and heavens and anything between them...

      Also if you think about yourself... you do not own your own body even... cos you are made from clay and given the soul and after ending of this earthly life the soul goes where it comes from and the box (human body) goes back to where it came from meaning to the ground.... and on that day every single human will be raised from this ground and soul will be emerged to be judged... and then... decision will be made... either will be on the right or left.... and then there will be no ending... now if some wants to see the proof... you can't see the proof... its like you use your gifted brain and gather all the knowledge from the books and combine them and accept it.... thats all....

      Peace!!!

      September 7, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Damocles

      @mzh

      Ok, so you seem like you went on a journey and studied all the religions mankind has to offer and came up with a deity that suits your needs and desires, probably dislikes the same things you do and all that jazz. Tell me, if someone else goes on some kind of spiritual journey and discovers a deity completey unlike yours, does that make them wrong?

      September 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
  12. Chaos

    At least Doc Vestibule is the only one who makes sense here.

    September 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Huebert

      I'm calling poe. Y'all have fun with it.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Chaos

      You mean Edgar Allan Poe? ha ha ha

      September 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Huebert

      No as in Poe's Law. Poe's Law is an axiom suggesting that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of religious or other fundamentalism and its genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • End Religion

      @huebert: right, because asserting we should live by the facts of our shared reality is equally as insane as proposing we live by belief in magic. If you don't think religion is a form of insanity, fine, just give up medicine and ipods and planes, since religion fought against the facts that brought us those things.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Religion fought against iPods?

      September 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      I believe it was Nathan Poe if i'm not mistaken.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Mass

      That is correct.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  13. Kellie

    I'm an Atheist, but I don't subscribe to the "American Atheists" need to ridicule the faiths of others via billboard. There is no need to proselytize Atheism, people come to it on their own or not at all. The word God in the Dem platform doesn't abridge my rights. It doesn't mean the POTUS doesn't include me in his policies and decisions – it just represents the majority, which is what believers are. These American Atheists are picking all the wrong fights. When someone's rights are affected because of their Atheism, then fight. This is just sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    September 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Amniculi

      I think the main point of the signs is to let people who aren't openly atheist know that they're not alone. For many people revealing that they are atheist is akin to coming out of the closet as gay. Much of the time they face anger, backlash, intolerance and misunderstanding from their own families, not to mention the majority of society in America. It's nice to know that somebody stands with you even though it feels like the whole world hates you.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • End Religion

      it's OK. We'll be vocal for you.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      First off, I don't believe you're an Atheist, secondly you said ". When someone's rights are affected because of their Atheism, then fight. " So, we should disregard everyone else that is affected by decisions made by others, women, children, gays? Atheists are not selfish, in fact we are for humanity, this is why I call you out as a liar.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • True Wisdom

      Well said!

      September 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • ME II

      "Atheists are not selfish, in fact we are for humanity..."
      Again, atheism is single negative statement, not a philosophy. While it's not against humanity or particular humans, it's not for them either.
      And, some atheists are selfish.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • greg

      Its 2012 if you think your the only atheist in America your not only an Atheist your a stupid Atheist. These Bill Boards are to attack religion nothing more nothing less,

      I Never met a compassionate Atheist, They love themselves to much to give a hoot about other lovers of self!

      An Atheist will jump over 3 Muslims to attack a Christian yet its the Three Muslims that will cut off you head for apostasy someday. While the Christian could care less.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Kellie

      @TheVocalAtheist – I don't know what to tell you. I don't exactly have an Atheist card to give you. I'm 46 and have been an Atheist since 19. If my word isn't enough for you, then I guess I'll bid you good day.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Kellie

      @greg – I'm going to fix this for you, because i'm not only an Atheist, I'm a grammarian.

      "Its 2012 if you think your (you're) the only atheist (Atheist) in America your (you're) not only an Atheist(,) your (you're) a stupid Atheist. These Bill Boards are to attack religion(,) nothing more nothing less,

      I Never (never) met a compassionate Atheist,(.) They love themselves to (too) much to give a hoot about other lovers of self!

      An Atheist will jump over 3 Muslims to attack a Christian(,) yet its (it's) the Three (three) Muslims that will cut off you (your) head for apostasy someday. While the Christian could (couldn't) care less.

      You're welcome. 🙂

      September 7, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      @ME II

      I'll detract my post in order to try and clarify. I should have clearly stated I was speaking for myself and no one else.

      I never said it was a philosophy. I probably worded the sentence improperly for my point. As an Atheist I think I am more in favor in getting involved with disarming injustice against "humans" and all living creatures rather than the statement made by Kellie for not fighting unless it was for Atheism. In essence, at least what I got out of it, she was saying live and let live which is fine but not very practical when we have a sea of intolerance for diversity and truth in our country. Someone needs to point it out and I feel I have an obligation to others to do so.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • End Religion

      i think it was really compassionate for the atheist Kellie to help the religious nutter Greg with his grammar. She gave willingly of her time to help a poor uneducated man improve himself. Thanks Kellie

      September 7, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
  14. dpcfoh

    For all of those of you who keep saying "how could the entire universe possibly form out of nothing? Common sense tells me that can't happen" Well then, where did God come from?

    September 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Huebert

      Cue special pleading arguments.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Chaos, Hitler's beliefs were completely in keeping with the society and christianity in Germany in his lifetime. The belief that the Jews killed Christ was a common one in the early 20th century. And in Germany, anti-jewish sentiment within Christianity can be traced back to Martin Luther.

      All you are doing is showing your total lack of historical knowledge.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • greg

      The Universe is in the physical realm God is in the Spiritual realm, Two diffrent places, Diffrent rules apply But your gonna have to ask God where he came from because all a believer can do is speculate same as the scientist who speculate on the beginning of the universe.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  15. Chaos

    To all Atheist read this since you all want facts all the time, here is some for you.

    http://www.christianaction.org.za/firearmnews/2004-04_thegreatestkiller.htm

    September 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Huebert

      And Hitler was a Christian. What is your point?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Wow what a moronic article. Misrepresentation, misinformation, equivocation fallacies, and outright lies. Chaos, I hope your proud of yourself, you have ascribed to this pile of crap, and firmly planted your flag into the camp of lies and demonization.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Chaos

      He was born and raised in a Catholic family, but his view change about God, he became a non believer and after he did look what he has done.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • sam

      This old crap agan? Nice try.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Nick

      The difference is that those leaders, despite what the article claims, did not kill BECAUSE they were atheist. There was no rounding up of everyone who believes in god and killing them. However, religions have done the opposite of that for a long time, rounding up and killing non believers.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Chaos

      Hawaiiguest, what make you so mad? The truth makes you atheist mad and yet you proclaim that you hate lies. It's not lies that you hate, it's the truth that you cannot stand.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam

      Exactly. No one rounds people up and kills them in the name of atheism.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Simran

      http://iransnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/true-face-us-christian-fanatics-teach-genocide/

      September 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • sam

      Your version of the 'truth' is your own, chaos. Again, nice try. Done before, still lame.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Sorry, Chaos, but the tired argument of citing murders by non-Christians is rather absurd coming from a Christian - the religion that has sponsored the massacre of non-believers all through its history.

      Sort of like throwing the proverbial stone in a glass house.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Order

      Irony is fun, yuk yuk!! Let's play again!

      September 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Chaos

      http://thriceholy.net/killersf.html

      September 7, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • sam

      Trolololololol....

      September 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Huebert

      In his book Mein Kampf Hitler made numerous religious pronouncements. In its pages, historian Richard Steigmann-Gall notes, "Hitler gave no indication of being an atheist or agnostic or of believing in only a remote, rationalist divinity. Indeed, he referred continually to a providential, active deity."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Views_as_an_adult

      September 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • sybaris

      Godwins Law

      September 7, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Simran

      Time and again we see leaders and members of religions incite aggression, fanaticism, hate, and xenophobia – even inspire and legitimate violent and bloody conflicts. – Hans Kung

      In morals what begins in fear usually ends in wickedness; in religion what begins in fear usually ends in fanaticism. Fear, either as a principle or a motive, is the beginning of all evil.
      Anna Jameson

      September 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Your ability, Chaos, to cite not one but two links to the same bad argument, doesn't magically cause the argument to make sense.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Simran

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/god_cana0.htm

      September 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Chaos

      And atheist is good? Look at how many of you are attacking me while i am alone against you, that shows your personality real well. And you want us to believe you're good people?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chaos

      Do you know anything about humanism? Do you know what survival of the fittest means in evolution? That article you linked to was full of lies and misinformation. The only truth in there was that Communist regimes killed a lot of people. Unfortunately, the article likes to equate secular and communist, just like the McCarthy era fear mongers that changed our pledge and put their god on our money. Bring something more than just "you don't like the truth", that just shows the vapid nature of your posts.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Thank goodness you weren't attacking atheists. Phew!

      For a minute there I thought you were. My bad.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      “It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creeds into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.”
      – Robert Heinlein

      September 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Chaos

      Yeah yeah Hawaiiguest we all know that you all believe that we come down from monkeys and fish that came out of the waters and then walk on earth. Next you will be saying that we're coming down from crickets, good cause i will put up a band and i will cal lit Chaos and the Crickets.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      Chaos: "To all Atheist read this since you all want facts all the time, here is some for you."

      This sentence sounds funny. Wait a minute . . . . .

      I think I smell a disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer!

      September 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Simran

      Suggested reading:
      http://books.google.co.in/books/about/In_God_s_Name.html?id=fnpPf_AxWEgC&redir_esc=y

      Wow Chaos, you feel attacked? Simply wow?

      This, my dear, is a public forum for debate. Now, if you raise a topic, are you not aware you will get counter-arguments??? And the only defense you give is YOU ARE BEING ATTACKED!!!

      September 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chaos

      Hmmm, so instead of actually addressing any of the points I made, you build an anti-evolution straw man. Why am I not surprised by that?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Chaos

      All i see is a bunch of atheist people babbling their mouth as usual. Big mouth is all what atheism is all about.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Simran

      There are a number of conflicting religions in the world whose beliefs are largely closed, immutable, and frozen. Their teachings are embedded in Scriptures, which are books that religious communities accept as holy and authoritative: The Christian Bible; the Jewish Torah and the Talmud; the Book of Mormon; the Muslim Qur’an and the Mathnawi of Jalaluddin Rumi (mysticism); the Bahá’í Kitáb-i-Aqdas; the Sikh Adi Granth; the Zoroastrian Avesta; the Hindu Upanishads, the Bhagavad-Gita and the Yoga-sutras of Patanjali; the Buddhist Pali canon; the Taoist Tao-te-Ching; the Confucian I Ching and the Lun-yü (Analects of Confucius); the Shinto Kojiki or Furukotofumi; etc. Revelations from these religions disagree with each other. The truth or falsity of these religions' incompatible teachings is unverifiable.

      While the authority of a particular Scripture is considered total within the respective community of faith, it is largely disregarded outside that community. One exception is Islam: Muslims accept the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as holy texts. However, they believe that those texts have been seriously altered over time so that the original message has been seriously distorted.

      A text that is sacred for one religion may well be offensive to members of other religions, and even become a cause of intolerance. If somebody believes his particular religion to be the only true one, she/he blinds himself to the truth found in the others and also commits an act of spiritual chauvinism.

      Only religion can justify the destruction of human life sanctimoniously. It is a serious mistake to downplay the problem of religious violence in 'sacred' texts. The violence-of-God tradition in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Christian New Testament, and the Qur’an must be understood and challenged if we are to have any realistic hope of building a peaceful and tolerant world. Change, of course, is profoundly difficult for those who believe in God's inspiration of the authors, and the inerrancy of the entire text.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Chaos

      Go away with your atheism view, we don't need you.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chaos

      So now generalizations and ad hominems. Just wondering, but are you going to get to a point where you'll actually address points brought against your articles?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Grand Ole Party of Christian Taliban

      Chaos/Brony dude still lacks any form of creativity.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Chaos

      This is Atheism in all it's Glory lol.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Simran

      Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

      Moses's call to kill witches, in Exodus 22:18: "Do not allow a sorceress to live."

      Psalm 137, which celebrates this terrible revenge: "Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

      September 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      "All i see is a bunch of atheist people babbling their mouth as usual. Big mouth is all what atheism is all about."

      Luckily televangelists, the Pope, evangelical preachers, evangelical politicians, and Christian believers are all quiet as a mouse. Or are they allowed to continue spewing their beliefs 24/7, but atheists must sit quietly, and listen politely to their drivel?

      That used to be the case, but not any longer. Now we're allowed to speak as well. Believe me, we're just getting started, so fasten your seat belt.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Chaos

      Do all Atheist believe that we all created ourselves? Is that why we're all here?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      Chaos: "All i see is a bunch of atheist people babbling their mouth as usual. Big mouth is all what atheism is all about."

      Confirmation received – it must in fact be the
      disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Poor Chaos has no substance to his posts.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Chaos

      Who or what created the universe, you will say it's the Big Bang, then who or what created the Big Bang, you will say it's something or someone, then i must ask you who or what created that something or that someone?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      @Huebert Hitler was a Christian, you say? He didn't exterminate people as a Christian. He was Social Darwinist. He busied himself disposing of human "mongrels" that were "unfit" to survive. You atheists love to do body counts. Please read something about the twentieth century. It was the bloodiest and most godless century of all time. It showed what man will do with science when man himself becomes his only god.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Chaos

      My question was simple,, why aren't any of you atheist answer my question?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      "Do all Atheist believe that we all created ourselves? Is that why we're all here?"

      Have we changed the subject now? We're in this thread because you posted a claim that atheists are murderers. I'm not a murderer, even though I don't believe in god. Do I get to stop defending my honor now? Are you done?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Chaos

      I guest there is none of you atheist people who can directly answer my question about the universe.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Huebert

      Prime

      My argument is that neither theism nor atheism determine a person's morality. Their are moral and amoral atheist, just like their are moral and amoral theist.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chaos

      We don't know if the universe was "created" or not (since the word created automatically implies a creator, which I'm sure was completely unintentional on your part, and not at all a dishonest presuppositional argument).

      September 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      We don't know who or what created the universe, or whether a "who or what" created the universe, or why.

      The only difference between creationists and atheists, on that point, is that creationists have made up an answer, and have stopped looking, whereas atheists are perfectly okay with waiting until we actually have an answer that can be supported by evidence.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Chaos

      Every atheist that i've know wouldn't answer this question. You atheist always says that you hate living a lie and yet you are afraid of the truth.

      September 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Grand Ole Party of Christian Taliban

      Chaos

      Every atheist that i've know wouldn't answer this question. You atheist always says that you hate living a lie and yet you are afraid of the truth.
      -
      *yawning at troll*

      September 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Simran

      No, we are here bcoz a super-confused God created us!

      BTW, your magic book is evidence enough of his confusion.

      1. God is satisfied with his works
      Gen 1:31
      God is dissatisfied with his works.
      Gen 6:6
      2. God dwells in chosen temples
      2 Chron 7:12,16
      God dwells not in temples
      Acts 7:48
      3. God dwells in light
      Tim 6:16
      God dwells in darkness
      1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
      4. God is seen and heard
      Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
      Ex 24:9-11
      God is invisible and cannot be heard
      John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
      5. God is tired and rests
      Ex 31:17
      God is never tired and never rests
      Is 40:28
      6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
      Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
      God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
      things
      Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
      7. God knows the hearts of men
      Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
      God tries men to find out what is in their heart
      Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
      8. God is all powerful
      Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
      God is not all powerful
      Judg 1:19
      9. God is unchangeable
      James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
      God is changeable
      Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
      Ex 33:1,3,17,14
      10. God is just and impartial
      Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
      God is unjust and partial
      Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
      11. God is the author of evil
      Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
      God is not the author of evil
      1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
      12. God gives freely to those who ask
      James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
      God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
      them
      John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
      13. God is to be found by those who seek him
      Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
      God is not to be found by those who seek him
      Prov 1:28
      14. God is warlike
      Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
      God is peaceful
      Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
      15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
      Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
      God is kind, merciful, and good
      James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
      1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
      16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
      Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
      God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
      Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
      17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
      sacrifices ,and holy days
      Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
      God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
      sacrifices, and holy days.
      Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
      18. God accepts human sacrifices
      2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
      God forbids human sacrifice
      Deut 12:30,31
      19. God tempts men
      Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
      God tempts no man
      James 1:13
      20. God cannot lie
      Heb 6:18
      God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
      2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
      21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
      Gen 6:5,7
      Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
      Gen 8:21
      22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
      Rom 1:20
      God's attributes cannot be discovered
      Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
      23. There is but one God
      Deut 6:4
      There is a plurality of gods
      Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

      Moral Precepts

      24. Robbery commanded
      Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
      Robbery forbidden
      Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
      25. Lying approved and sanctioned
      Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
      Lying forbidden
      Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
      26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
      2 Kings 14:7,3
      Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
      Deut 23:7
      27. Killing commanded
      Ex 32:27
      Killing forbidden
      Ex 20:13
      28. The blood-shedder must die
      Gen 9:5,6
      The blood-shedder must not die
      Gen 4:15
      29. The making of images forbidden
      Ex 20:4
      The making of images commanded
      Ex 25:18,20
      30. Slavery and oppression ordained
      Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
      Slavery and oppression forbidden
      Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
      31. Improvidence enjoyed
      Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
      Improvidence condemned
      1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
      32. Anger approved
      Eph 4:26
      Anger disapproved
      Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
      33. Good works to be seen of men
      Matt 5:16
      Good works not to be seen of men
      Matt 6:1
      34. Judging of others forbidden
      Matt 7:1,2
      Judging of others approved
      1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
      35. Christ taught non-resistance
      Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
      Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
      Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
      36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
      Luke 12:4
      Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
      John 7:1
      37. Public prayer sanctioned
      1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
      Public prayer disapproved
      Matt 6:5,6
      38. Importunity in prayer commended
      Luke 18:5,7
      Importunity in prayer condemned
      Matt 6:7,8
      39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
      Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
      The wearing of long hair by men condemned
      1 Cor 11:14
      40. Circu.mcision insti.tuted
      Gen 17:10
      Circu.mcision condemned
      Gal 5:2
      41. The Sabbath insti.tuted
      Ex 20:8
      The Sabbath repudiated
      Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
      42. The Sabbath inst.ituted because God rested on the seventh day
      Ex 20:11
      The Sabbath inst.ituted because God brought the Israelites
      out of Egypt
      Deut 5:15
      43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
      Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
      Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
      the same
      John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
      44. Baptism commanded
      Matt 28:19
      Baptism not commanded
      1 Cor 1:17,14
      45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
      Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
      Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
      Deut 14:7,8
      46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
      Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
      Taking of oaths forbidden
      Matt 5:34
      47. Marriage approved
      Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
      Marriage disapproved
      1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
      48. Freedom of divorce permitted
      Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
      Divorce restricted
      Matt 5:32
      49. Adul.tery forbidden
      Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
      Adult.ery allowed
      Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
      50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
      Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
      Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
      Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
      51. A man may marry his brother's widow
      Deut 25:5
      A man may not marry his brother's widow
      Lev 20:21
      52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
      Luke 14:26
      Hatred to kindred condemned
      Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
      53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
      Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
      Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
      Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
      54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
      and punish evil doers only
      Rom 13:1-3,6
      It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
      good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
      Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
      Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
      55. Women's rights denied
      Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
      Women's rights affirmed
      Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
      56. Obedience to masters enjoined
      Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
      Obedience due to God only
      Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
      57. There is an unpardonable s.in
      Mark 3:29
      There is not unpardonable s.in
      Acts 13:39

      September 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chaos

      Presupposing creation is an unjustified position. Perhaps if you weren't a dishonest douche, you'd actually get answers from more people.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Grand Ole Party of Christian Taliban

      "are perfectly okay with waiting until we actually have an answer that can be supported by evidence."
      ...
      BINGO...and agnostics as well. Life is too short to sweat such questions for some.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Chaos

      When every single atheist found the answer to this question it will be like a brick hitting you in the face. Until then have a great atheist weekend lol

      September 7, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • PFFT

      Chaos,

      Not bothering to discuss this with you because any disagreeing with your script is considered an "attack".
      ("Look at how many of you are attacking me")

      pfft

      September 7, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • PFFT

      Chaos,

      Not bothering to discuss this with you because any disagreeing with your script is considered by you to be an "attack".
      ("Look at how many of you are attacking me")

      pfft

      September 7, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      "Who or what created the universe, you will say it's the Big Bang, then who or what created the Big Bang, you will say it's something or someone, then i must ask you who or what created that something or that someone?"

      We don't know the answer to that question, Chaos, and neither do you. However, you might note that your fabricated notion about a deity being responsible, suffers from the same problem you just raised. Who created him, and who created his creator, and so forth?

      If your answer is, that he has always existed, then I'm sure you're okay with the notion that universe has always existted? Same thing. in either case, you seem happy with there being no "ultimate" creator, just as we are.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Ok, have a nice trolling weekend. Try not to lose sight of your bridge.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Chaos

      Until next time, i suggest that you take your pencils and papers and spend the weekend applying your science and math and try to find the right answer to my question. Again i wish you a great atheist weekend. Don't work too hard it might bust your brain if you try too hard. lol

      September 7, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Simran

      Until next time,I suggest you take a pencil and paper and note down the points I wrote above (confused god). But that would not be enough, do open your mind too and ponder over these issues. Happy weekend.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      You derisively suggest that science cannot determine the origin of the universe, without recognizing the fact that your religion has fabricated an answer, using no evidence whatsoever. You sneer at evidence. And I do not.

      You have a nice weekend too. "lol"

      September 7, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • non believer

      So Chaos, do you believe in every other religion around at the moment, and all those that have passed? If not you're an atheist to those religions.

      There's loads and loads of proof of evolution, no one alive (or dead) has ever seen or heard from God.

      Even some of the names in the bible weren't created for 500 years after Jesus "lived" such as: Gaspar, Melchior, and Balthasar.

      I guess in 1,500 years Harry Potter or Star Wars maybe religions.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      Oooo thanks, Simran. I can add that conflict list to the others that I have – good to know.

      Chaos: "When every single atheist found the answer to this question it will be like a brick hitting you in the face."
      LOL – I see the disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer is still at it.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • End Religion

      lol... "we want facts all the time". that does get in the way of living a life based on magic.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Huebert

      @non-believer

      The moment Jediism becomes a religion I'm joining. I REALLY want a light saber.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Big mouth is all what atheism is all about."

      You are a delusional cvnt

      September 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • greg

      Sam, Stalin did it in the name of Communism, An Atheist govt who killed more people then Hitler did.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • To Summarize

      Chaos "Hitler was an Atheist, duh huh!"

      Anyone with a Brain "According to Hitler, he was a God fearing Catholic."

      Chaos "Yeah but his actions prove he was an atheist, no one could be that evil if they weren't"

      With Brains "Sooo, what about the inquisition? Crusades? Hitler was just a modern Crusader claiming defense of Christian views and attacking the supposed murderers of his Christ.

      Chaos "Nuh Uh!!"

      With Brains "You are making us all more stupid for having wasted time reading your moronic post."

      Chaos "Nuh Uh!! Yer stoopid! I'm rubber, your glue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you, nanny nanny boo boo"

      With Brains "You have got to be kidding me."

      Chaos "Youve got to be kidding me"

      With Brains "Stop copying me"

      Chaos "Stop copying me.."

      "Never argue with a fool – they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."

      You Chaos, are one experienced fool.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
  16. Nikolena

    It would be nice if non-belief could at least be acknowledged instead of swept under the carpet like a dirty secret. I grew up in a non-believing family, but have heard so many horror stories about people "coming out" as atheists and the terrible ways they have been treated by family and friends. We KNOW that the Republicans hold us in contempt, but if the Dems want to really be the big tent party, then they could at least acknowledge us as equals. It doesn't mean removing God necessarily, just remembering that we don't all share in faith.

    September 7, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • End Religion

      it does require removing god. First not everyone in this country who is religious subscribes to God, Second there's plenty who subscribe to no god. If we're requiring government to separate church from state, and knowing there are many who don't subscribe to said God, why in the world would you continue to push God into government situations unless you're thinking your God is #1 and want to rub it in everyone else's face? end religion now!

      September 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  17. Amen

    Thank you for pointing out how many Athiests feel. It's sad many atheists feel the need to hide from expressing their views because of threats and mistreatment from "believers". It's easier to just lie and claim to belong to a religion than to tell the truth. I'm sure there are many other Athiests out there such as our family who are hiding in plain sight and who are also good people.

    Signed an Athiest in Suburban America

    September 7, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • greg

      Threats and Mistreatment, dang Cry me a river!

      September 7, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  18. Chaos

    If atheism is so good why is this then?

    http://thriceholy.net/killersf.html

    September 7, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Huebert

      Atheism does not make a person moral. Their moral and amoral atheist, just like their are moral and amoral Christians.

      September 7, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Bible Lies

      If theism is so good, why are the Christians and Muslims still fighting?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • sybaris

      If christianity is so good why are there so many more christians in prison than atheists?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Amniculi

      OOOOH! LOGIC PWN'D!

      September 7, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • non believer

      99.8% of those in US prisons are Religious and only 85% of the population believes in a God or spirit.

      Meaning that those that don't believe in a God or spirit, who make up 15% of US population, only make up 0.2% of the jail population. Says a lot for the fact that atheists are generally more moral people!

      September 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      So many errors on the website, it's hard to know where to start.

      'religion is the source of all evil in the world' – no, no self respecting atheist not seeking to get a rise out of people would make this claim.

      Agnostic != atheist, unless you think that Mother Theresa was an atheist.

      Pol Pot was an atheist? Really? Proof anyone?

      Lies lies lies, topped with a healthy dose of total ignorance for good measure. I thought most religions frowned on lying?

      September 7, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • greg

      Christians are no different then Atheists there just forgiven, its the only difference.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
  19. GoodPoint

    I was reading comments on here, and i noticed atheist people says they don't feel left out, why is the 31+ pages full of atheist people commenting then?

    September 7, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • sam

      Seriously?

      September 7, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Bad Point

      What exactly is your point?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Um.... what?

      September 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • End Religion

      oh sweet, sweet irony. combining your name with your question is sublime.

      September 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  20. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Atheism is hinduism, absurdity of hindu's pagans, Atheism is domain of hindu ignorant animals not of huam in their hindu Judaism filthy self center ism, every hindu Atheist filthy self centered belong not among humanity but with their own kind in a PIG, self centered farm, for more visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/

    September 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • GoodPoint

      Good point.

      September 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Dr. Feelgood

      Take two Valiums and call me in the morning. You may want to consider staying away from sharp objects as well.

      September 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • HINDU

      HEY

      HEY HOW IS YOUR MOM? SHE COULDN'T WALK YET WHEN I LEFT LAST NIGHT...SORRY ABOUT THAT I HOPE SHE COULD STILL MAKE YOU BREAKFAST

      September 7, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      @HINDU, THANKS FOR ASKING. I SAW A BLOOD SOAKED TOWEL IN BATHROOM THIS MORNING. SHE MUST HAVE ROUGH NIGHT. FOR MY MAMA'S SAKE PUT VASELINE ON YOUR LIBI.DO NEXT TIME, DON'T GET TOO CHEAP, YOU BAS.TARD.

      September 7, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
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