Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?
A voice vote to change the DNC party platform turned to chaos Wednesday night.
September 6th, 2012
03:24 PM ET

Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – This convention season has not been good for atheists.

The word "God" was reinserted in the Democratic platform after it had been removed. A plan to raise atheist billboards in the convention cities was stymied by opponents. And though there were preachers and rabbis and other religious leaders opening and closing each day of each convention, there wasn’t an avowed atheist talking up unbelief on either convention’s speaking list.

The political lockout has left many nonbelievers asking, “What political party represents me?”

“We are deeply saddened by the exclusion of a large number of Americans by both parties,” said Teresa MacBain, a spokeswoman for the group American Atheists, in an interview on Thursday. “It amazes me that in modern-day America, so much prejudice still exists.”

After word spread Wednesday that Democrats left God out of their platform, atheists rejoiced. “Truly amazing news,” wrote Loren Miller on Atheist Nexus, a popular atheist blog. “The Republicans remain in the firm grasp of right-wing Christian religiosity, and I really don't know what it's going to take to free them from it.”

But the convention committee immediately received huge pressure get God back in the platform. Even President Obama, according to CNN reporting, said, “Why on earth would that have been taken out?” when he first heard of the omission.

In an awkward session that required three voice votes on the convention floor, the Democrats opted to add “God” back to the platform.

For atheists, the Democrats were seen to be taking away a hard-fought victory. “We had 24 hours of joy as we felt (that) finally our government values all people,” said MacBain. “But that was short-lived. The vote last night angered many atheists and left them feeling excluded once again.”

Online, atheist websites and Facebook pages went from upbeat to downcast as news spread of the platform revision.

“Obama was the first president to acknowledge non believers,” Mark Musante wrote on the American Atheists’ Facebook page. “I wish he would stick to his guns.”

Musante was referring to Obama’s 2009 inauguration speech, when the president said, “We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers.”

Beverly Sitherwood, on the Friendly Atheist blog Facebook page, accused the Democrats of “Pandering for power.”

Some atheist leaders used the platform defeat as a rallying call.

“I guess a tiny step was too much to ask for,” David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, told CNN. “This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population - we don’t count. Well, guess what, Dems - we do. And we vote.”

Silverman says that 16% of the voting public identify as nonbelievers. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, 12% of the electorate in 2008 was made up of people with no religious affiliation, though experts say the number of avowed atheists is much smaller.

While acknowledging atheists, Obama has given platforms to high-profile religious leaders, including Rick Warren, a megachurch pastor who prayed at his inauguration, and Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who is giving the final prayer of the convention on Thursday night.

American Atheists’ plans to raise billboards ridiculing the presidential candidates’ faith ended in failure. After the group put up billboards in Charlotte, North Carolina, the site of the Democratic National Convention, last month, it quickly removed them due to “physical threats to not only our staff, but the billboard company as well.”

American Atheists had also planned on a billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there. But American Atheists said that all the billboard companies in Tampa rejected a sign taking aim at GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith.

Perhaps because of the Republican Party’s ties to conservative Christianity, atheists tend to be Democrats. According to a 2012 Pew study, 71% of Americans who identified as atheist were Democrats.

“The Republicans who spoke at the RNC seemed more like televangelists than politicians,” MacBain said. “The message was clear from the RNC: Get God, or get out.”

The Republican’s 2012 platform mentions God 12 times, many of which describe the “God-given” rights that the Republican Party says are inherent to the American idea.

Though most atheist groups claim that there are closeted atheists serving as representatives and senators, only one has come out as such.

In September 2007, Rep. Pete Stark, Democrat of California, affirmed his atheism in a speech at the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Atheism • God • Politics

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  1. joe

    Why do atheiest get so uptight?? Because in their subconscience, they know God exits and feel guilt and fear for their regecting him. So any mention of God reminds them of that "something misssing" inside of them. To justify their sin, these people rationalize to themselves that God doesn't exist, but deep in their hearts they know they are living a lie. God loves you and will take you with open arms and fill your soul with joy.

    September 8, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I feel that way about Baal. I never have sacrificed an unblemished child and that's been on my conscience for many years.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Jackie Treehorn

      You want to talk uptight? See my comment below. How uptight would you be if the government forced you to acknowledge Allah? Do you think you would be a little...uptight? People generally don't like the government forcing beliefs on them. That's why Europe was wracked with hundreds of years of war, and why our founding fathers wisely chose to include an establishment clause in the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights. Of course, that's all lost on the modern religious right.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'joe' is an instance of the Non Causa Pro Causa fallacy.


      September 8, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Mention of

      god actually reminds me there is something stupid inside of your mind. Get an extra hug from jesus, you can have mine, atta boy.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry, "joe", but your assertions about atheists are falsehoods. Since the enti'ty "God" that you reference does not exist, none of your statements are true. To help you understand, I will access my Idiomatic Equivalency Module. The expression that best matches my evaluation for your post is "TOTAL FAIL".

      I am confident that you would benefit from reading the book:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society.

      If your location is close to the enti'ty "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", then perhaps the enti'ty "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" would share this book with you.

      September 8, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • I don't THINK so

      Ok, let's do some correcting here:

      Why do atheiest (atheists) get so uptight?? Because in their subconscience (subconscious), they know God exits and feel guilt and fear for their regecting (rejecting) him (Him). So any mention of God reminds them of that "something misssing (missing)" inside of them. To justify their sin, these people rationalize to themselves that God doesn't exist, but deep in their hearts they know they are living a lie. God loves you and will take you with open arms and fill your soul with joy.

      Joe, I'm impressed that you have direct access to the subconscious minds of all the atheists on the planet. Heck, I'd be impressed if it was just ONE. You also apparently have an advanced degree in psychology since you're able to pinpoint the roots of atheism with such astounding accuracy.
      God will take you with open arms and fill your soul with joy? Sounds as if you may have some closeted issues yourself there, Joe.

      September 9, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  2. Jackie Treehorn

    I like the way Christians always assume that words like "religion" and "God" apply only to them. Imagine how they would freak out if the government or either political party forced them to acknowledge "Allah" or "Vishnu." (Imagine your kids in school being forced to pledge allegiance to "One nation, under Odin..." and you might have SOME idea of how atheists feel) Here's a challenge to all believers in invisible boogeymen....prove which one of your 10,000 Gods is the "real" one, THEN come have an argument with us atheists and agnostics.

    September 8, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Which is the "real" God? The one that endows us with our rights and liberties and the one in whom we Trust, of course. Sorry, that's being facetious. Arguments with people who will come out and defend their God, usually the God of Abraham, are fun, but ultimately what will prevail is higher educational standards. I love to hear it when kids tell their parents and elders to keep all that religion crap to themselves.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • joe

      Thought. Assume there is no God. What started civilization – it was organized religion. Before that we were 100,000+ years of nomads and barbarians. Religion created civilization and made us live by rules that enabled civilization to grow. Take away people's religion and you have caos – nothing to fear, no after life, why abide by any earthly rules, just have fun for your self and screw everyone else. Religion is critical to society. Our civilization began in the middle east with the begining of Abraham's religion. Our, maybe this religion is true.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't see anyone attempting to "take away" anyone's religious beliefs. They simply do not belong in a secular government or in public schools.

      As for having the sort of chaos you envision, look at Switzerland and tell me how chaotic it appears to be. Or Denmark. Or any of the other nations that have a very secular society.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Sue

      joe, look at all the persecution of scientists that your evil religion has done, and all the suppression of medical progress, and all the hate and bigotry that it is responsible for. Society would likely be much further ahead today, had it not been for your religion. Your religion is holding the world back from being a vastly better place.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'joe' is again an instance of the Non Causa Pro Causa fallacy.


      September 8, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Jackie Treehorn


      As an archaeologist, I would LOVE to have a debate regarding the origins of civilization; however, when you assert that Abrahamic religion was the origin of civilization, your utter ignorance is so apparent that further discussion is clearly futile. Before pontificating on topics you know nothing about, you might want to brush up on some basic history; perhaps just eyeing a timeline of cultural developments in the Middle East. Did Abraham use a time machine to go back to 4000 BC and found the Sumerian civilization? You might also want to consider that civilization developed independently in several areas of the world completely divorced from Abrahamic religions. Bah, why am I wasting my time with this....

      September 8, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  3. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    Atheists, (and I'm sure everyone uses the term to include agnostics, pagans, non-believers-of-religions-ripped-off-from-and-including-Judaism, etc.) will never have a political party to represent them until they become an obvious majority in this country. The political machine realizes it has a built in voter base if it just conforms to the expectation that their candidates must at least pretend in public to believe in some version of the Jewish god.

    Of course nowadays, they're all trying to one-up each other. Hey, the Dems ran a Catholic back in the 60's. Now they've gone and put a black guy (even though he's 50% white) in the White House whose father was once upon a time a Muslim. Ooooh we sure are breaking old stereotypes of "WASP's Only" now! Now the Republicans are getting bold enough to run a Mor(m)on, but see! Romney is still following a Yahweh-ripoff myth. I know! The Dems should run a Rastafarian in 2016, That would still be in line with the Zionist theme.

    September 8, 2012 at 9:42 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      "Atheists ... will never have a political party to represent them until they become an obvious majority in this country."

      As long as the majority would reject an atheist candidate that statement would be true. That may not be the case even now and, if not, that will probably change before atheists form a majority.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Another obstacle to overcome is religious freaks who just cream themselves to mention that atheist world leaders like Stalin had such egregious public relations records, meanwhile turning a blind eye to all the religion-fueled violence at the behest of their most revered "god"-fearing leaders.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:02 am |
    • Arvoasitis

      I guess a woman would be out of the question. She might press the shiny red button when out of sorts. (Sarcasm intended.)

      September 8, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • Comment

      Michele Bachmann was a credible candidate.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Marcuthhhhh Bachmann

      I need Michelle to be busy being a candidate again so I can spend more time with my secret male friends.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • truth be trolled

      Michele Bachmann does represent other reptilians and the V queen, but let's do get back to serious discussion for representation for atheists.

      September 8, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  4. tuvia

    מלחמה בלתי נגמרת

    September 8, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      That's SO effective on an English-language blog, let me tell you.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Comment

      It says something like "a war that doesn't end".

      September 8, 2012 at 10:21 am |
  5. saggyroy

    Gods come and gods go.

    September 8, 2012 at 9:19 am |
  6. Picture worth a thousand words

    why does that guy look so tormented?!?!?!

    September 8, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • Answer

      O, tormented soul, you cannot fight God.Give it up, already!

      September 8, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • saggyroy

      The voices in his head are speaking Spanish, and he can't understand them.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • truth be trolled

      Talking to yourself again, Picture and Answer?

      I think I again smell a disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Hmmm. I bet you would look that way too if you were in the minority and felt you had no representation in government.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • OTOH

      @Picture worth a thousand words,

      I guess you've overlooked all of those pictures of Pentacostals, Holy Rollers and such, as they have their godgasms in public.

      September 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  7. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    What political party best represents me? The Democrats, I suppose. But the political parties should be asking how they might best be able to get us to represent and support them. The parties exist on sufferance.

    September 8, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • Arvoasitis

      Good point. Political parties don't represent the people, although the the desirable ones see to the public good. In turn, politicians represent their parties, and are disciplined if they don't. All that the parties and politicians require is public consent, however grudgingly given.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:24 am |
  8. truth be told

    Former president George H W Bush once said "an atheist is not a patriot and should not be a citizen of America. We are one nation under God." Let atheism rot without contaminating its surroundings.

    September 8, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      HW may have been an authority on patriotism only to the extent that he knew its uses.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • truth be trolled

      "Let atheism rot without contaminating its surroundings."

      I smell a disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer!

      Helpful Hint: don't base your wonderings about life's origins on politics or politicians.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:20 am |
  9. cnnsukz

    They can all go to hades.....

    September 8, 2012 at 8:40 am |
  10. Ali54

    Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

    September 8, 2012 at 8:14 am |
  11. mikeinmiami

    I'm an Atheist and didn't feel left out at all. I am a critical thinker and I'm comfortable in my belief – or more properly my non-belief – and don't feel any need to be recognized by anyone. Other Atheists should get over it. Atheism is not a "movement," it is simply a thought process that doesn't see religion as a rational mind set. No big deal.

    September 8, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • saggyroy

      I don't have a problem with that either. I always vote 3rd party anyway. My problem is when the believers impose their belief on the rest of us, and make decisions based on their emotions. A recent example is GW invades Iraq because he was told by god.

      September 8, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • Nietodarwin

      I'm atheist too, and would have agreed with you years ago, but not anymore. The american Taliban religious nuts that now run the GOP make it imperative to move against religion. Good luck to us all.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • JEEJEE

      Thank you for your post – since you are an Atheist, maybe you can shed some light on why this has become such an issue. I don't understand exactly what those who are "atheists" want... Are they being limited in their ability to "not believe" and that is what they are fighting? Are they being forced to "believe" when they don't want to? Are they trying to have "gatherings" and are not able to?

      I'm just trying to figure out what it is that the atheists want that they aren't getting? Or is this just an issue being pumped up by the media and true atheists are really not behind this discord?


      September 8, 2012 at 9:56 am |
  12. Reality

    Only for new members of this blog:

    Putting the kibosh/”google” on all religions in less than a minute: Tis amazing how easy this is -

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    September 8, 2012 at 7:56 am |
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      September 8, 2012 at 7:57 am |
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      September 8, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • Sue

      Great post, Reality, as usual. Please keep on pointing out the idiocies of religion. You are doing a great public service.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:54 am |
  13. truth be told

    Thank God no one represents those foul mouthed hate filled bigots.

    September 8, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "truth be told", but your assertion about people who are religious is incorrect. There are small numbers of religious people who do not display the attributes of hatred or bigotry, even though they suffer from a form of dementia. Also, since there is no foundation for the existence of God, your thanking this imagined deity shows that you suffer from the same form of dementia as the enti'ty group that is the subject of your opinion. If you wish, I can recommend a book to help you with that problem.

      September 8, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • sam stone

      "Thank God no one represents those foul mouthed hate filled bigots."

      Look in the mirror, d-bag

      September 8, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • truth be told

      Why, there are no atheists in my mirror, and there is no use for any in my country.

      September 8, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  14. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    September 8, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 8, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • just sayin

      There is a joy and wondement in prayer known to but a few,know that as this day is given that joy is there for you. God bless

      September 8, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "just sayin", but your generalization of the number of people afflicted with dementia (for which the activity "praying" is a symptom) is unfounded. This form of dementia is a pandemic.

      Also, I have interpreted your post with an assumption that you meant to type the word "wonderment" and not "wondement".

      September 8, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • just sayin

      the post wasn't directed at you no one wants to talk with you that i know of. God bless

      September 8, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Athy

      Who were you talking to then, just sayin? You provided no name. Are all you cross clutchers that dense?

      September 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • just sayin

      hal was told days ago no one wanted to talk with it, it is a general statement , don't need your useless input either. God bless

      September 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
  15. achristian

    Since the poor athiest think no one represents them, THEN DO NOT VOTE. less votes for Obama and that is certainly a good thing. God bless you all and I hope you find Jesus Christ before you leave this earth. If you think does not exist, look all around you. He does exist and I see it everyday.

    September 8, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • Leonard V.

      No, we will not find Jesus Christ. Simply because he doesn't exist and never did. If you chose to believe a fairy tale, go ahead. Reasonable, logical adults do not need a crutch of religion. Sadly, neither of the two main parties had the guts to leave out the outdated notion of supreme being from the platform. Nevertheless, I am hopeful that day will come, and much sooner than you think.

      September 8, 2012 at 7:47 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      achristard: Pathetic that you can't comprehend that everything around you is the result of natural forces and not some imaginary deity.

      September 8, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Good morning TruthPrevails:-)

      September 8, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • saggyroy

      Jesus was a radical leftist hippie who got screwed by "the man".

      September 8, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • JEEJEE

      to Leonard V –

      The beauty of America is that you have the freedom of religion – if you choose to believe or not to believe – that is your choice. I don't particularly care for those people (on both sides) who think hurling insults is appropriate. State your case, but when the insults start – people stop listening. Who wants to be insulted because our views are different?

      It's clear that we will have differences in what we believe, whether we are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or none of the above. However, I am very unclear as to what it is that the Atheists truly want with respect to representation. Are Atheists being forced to believe in something that they don't, are they being discriminated against when they try to meet and discuss their ideas – I just don't get it.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  16. Bonehead

    Who cares about atheists? God does, so that means I don't have to.

    September 8, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      How about respecting your constitution? Your imaginary friend does not exist and since it does not exist, it can't be used in any laws and therefore it has no place in society. If you don't like Atheists, you should go back to your cave and disconnect your internet and everything else that is electronic...without Atheists and science you'd have none of it! Oh and get past grade 2 before trying to converse in an adult world!

      September 8, 2012 at 8:14 am |
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    September 8, 2012 at 1:50 am |
    • Athy

      Can anybody out there translate this for us?

      September 8, 2012 at 2:03 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Translation: Troll, schizophrenia or a non-native speaker of English.

      September 8, 2012 at 3:28 am |
    • Athy

      Or all three.

      September 8, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  18. Henry

    Dear atheist, the fact that you do not acknowledge the authority of the God of Heaven that doesn’t mean that you are outside His dominion, since God is Lord, Master, Creator, and Judge of the Universe. You will have more than enough proof that God exist after you die physically and your soul is quickly taken into the presence of the living God, then you will want to beg Him for His mercy for not believing in His beloved son Jesus Christ when you had the chance, but it will be too late, your miserable soul will be thrown into hell to suffer intensely for all eternity, where their worm does not die, and where the fire is not quenched.

    September 8, 2012 at 1:43 am |
    • Athy

      Bring it! I'm ready. And I'm ready.

      September 8, 2012 at 1:46 am |
    • Blessed Are the Cheesmakers

      Threats of eternal punishment betray a poor argument

      September 8, 2012 at 2:12 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Dear Henry,
      No matter how much you wish, believe or convince yourself that something is true, has no bearing on its validity in the end. You believe what you believe because you want it to be true. That's fine for you, but don't expect other people to blindly accept what you've chosen to blindly accept.

      The fact is, that NO ONE knows what happens when we die. Anyone who tells you they know is lying to you. Everyone takes the final step of life alone. There is no escaping this fact. You may want to believe that you get streets of gold, a mansion and you will be surrounded by your loved ones for all of eternity. I can see why this is comforting. It takes real courage though to face up to the truth that none of us really knows what will happen after we die. Maybe your story is true. Maybe the islamist have it right. Maybe you will be reincarnated as a cricket. Maybe the lights go out and you cease to exist. The only difference between you and atheists is that atheists don't pretend to know what happens after death to postpone their fear of dying.

      September 8, 2012 at 3:34 am |
    • Nitrogen

      So much for an all-loving god.

      September 8, 2012 at 4:45 am |
    • ogre

      Sometimes I feel mean for poking holes into these poor believers' fantasies. Henry, here, may well be a Poe... but nonetheless, many believe as he does, and I can't say BAH loud enough!

      September 8, 2012 at 5:14 am |
    • bsock

      You claim to be a christian ,but your statement contains two major errors-jesus told his followers that the dead know nothig and are asleep ,meaning they are not taken to god upon death . The second thing is no body suffers for eternity ,you only burn for a thousand years . Read your fairy tales more closely.

      September 8, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Henry

      Atheists disbelieve the written word of God, but they believe in Charles Darwin a mere man who dreamed up in a moment of stupor the “THEORY” of evolution.

      The fact is that Charles Darwin and his followers are puppets belonging to Satan’s troupe, which is also populated by secular humanists, atheists, deists, agnostics and God haters masquerading as pillars of truth, but in reality they are all passengers on the ship of fools, lacking a compass and a ruder and drifting on the sea of willful denial towards their inevitable eternal destruction in hell, and in the process drawing in as many people as possible, and actually believing that they are dodging God.

      Today, almost any major household appliance, computers, automobiles, airplanes, ships, and space bound rockets comes with an operating instruction manual, how foolish is to believe that the creator of mankind would omit to give his creation his written word the Bible or its operating instruction manual.

      The Bible states in Romans 1: 18-19, The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

      It is very interesting to note how deluded are in fact some of these so-called “educated” atheists, like James Watson and Francis Crick, Nobel Prize winner and the discoverers of the DNA. They believed that some sort of life form was sent to earth in a spaceship by a dying civilization, but never occurred to them to inquire about the origin of such dying civilization, perhaps they thought that they were the handiwork of the Cosmic Wizard or better yet that they popped into being out of nothingness.

      This is what God says in 1 Corinthians 1: 19-21, “For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate. Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.”

      God also chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong, God chose to glorify himself through atheists Watson and Crick by revealing to them the secrets of the genetic language of the DNA code.

      Obviously, God has a great sense of humor by choosing self-confessed atheists Watson and Crick to bless humanity with the knowledge and the proper application of DNA, a wonderful tool designed to alleviate unnecessary pain and suffering, and very instrumental in freeing countless of falsely accused individual waiting execution.

      This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

      September 8, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Simran

      God gave us a user manual for his creation! You mean this one!!! Looks like God is pretty confused.

      1. God is satisfied with his works
      Gen 1:31
      God is dissatisfied with his works.
      Gen 6:6
      2. God dwells in chosen temples
      2 Chron 7:12,16
      God dwells not in temples
      Acts 7:48
      3. God dwells in light
      Tim 6:16
      God dwells in darkness
      1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
      4. God is seen and heard
      Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
      Ex 24:9-11
      God is invisible and cannot be heard
      John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
      5. God is tired and rests
      Ex 31:17
      God is never tired and never rests
      Is 40:28
      6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
      Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
      God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
      Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
      7. God knows the hearts of men
      Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
      God tries men to find out what is in their heart
      Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
      8. God is all powerful
      Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
      God is not all powerful
      Judg 1:19
      9. God is unchangeable
      James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
      God is changeable
      Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
      Ex 33:1,3,17,14
      10. God is just and impartial
      Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
      God is unjust and partial
      Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
      11. God is the author of evil
      Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
      God is not the author of evil
      1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
      12. God gives freely to those who ask
      James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
      God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
      John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
      13. God is to be found by those who seek him
      Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
      God is not to be found by those who seek him
      Prov 1:28
      14. God is warlike
      Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
      God is peaceful
      Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
      15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
      Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
      God is kind, merciful, and good
      James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
      1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
      16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
      Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
      God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
      Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
      17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
      sacrifices ,and holy days
      Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
      God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
      sacrifices, and holy days.
      Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
      18. God accepts human sacrifices
      2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
      God forbids human sacrifice
      Deut 12:30,31
      19. God tempts men
      Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
      God tempts no man
      James 1:13
      20. God cannot lie
      Heb 6:18
      God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
      2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
      21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
      Gen 6:5,7
      Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
      Gen 8:21
      22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
      Rom 1:20
      God's attributes cannot be discovered
      Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
      23. There is but one God
      Deut 6:4
      There is a plurality of gods
      Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

      Moral Precepts

      24. Robbery commanded
      Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
      Robbery forbidden
      Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
      25. Lying approved and sanctioned
      Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
      Lying forbidden
      Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
      26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
      2 Kings 14:7,3
      Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
      Deut 23:7
      27. Killing commanded
      Ex 32:27
      Killing forbidden
      Ex 20:13
      28. The blood-shedder must die
      Gen 9:5,6
      The blood-shedder must not die
      Gen 4:15
      29. The making of images forbidden
      Ex 20:4
      The making of images commanded
      Ex 25:18,20
      30. Slavery and oppression ordained
      Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
      Slavery and oppression forbidden
      Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
      31. Improvidence enjoyed
      Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
      Improvidence condemned
      1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
      32. Anger approved
      Eph 4:26
      Anger disapproved
      Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
      33. Good works to be seen of men
      Matt 5:16
      Good works not to be seen of men
      Matt 6:1
      34. Judging of others forbidden
      Matt 7:1,2
      Judging of others approved
      1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
      35. Christ taught non-resistance
      Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
      Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
      Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
      36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
      Luke 12:4
      Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
      John 7:1
      37. Public prayer sanctioned
      1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
      Public prayer disapproved
      Matt 6:5,6
      38. Importunity in prayer commended
      Luke 18:5,7
      Importunity in prayer condemned
      Matt 6:7,8
      39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
      Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
      The wearing of long hair by men condemned
      1 Cor 11:14
      40. Circu.mcision insti.tuted
      Gen 17:10
      Circu.mcision condemned
      Gal 5:2
      41. The Sabbath insti.tuted
      Ex 20:8
      The Sabbath repudiated
      Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
      42. The Sabbath inst.ituted because God rested on the seventh day
      Ex 20:11
      The Sabbath inst.ituted because God brought the Israelites
      out of Egypt
      Deut 5:15
      43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
      Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
      Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
      the same
      John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
      44. Baptism commanded
      Matt 28:19
      Baptism not commanded
      1 Cor 1:17,14
      45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
      Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
      Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
      Deut 14:7,8
      46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
      Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
      Taking of oaths forbidden
      Matt 5:34
      47. Marriage approved
      Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
      Marriage disapproved
      1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
      48. Freedom of divorce permitted
      Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
      Divorce restricted
      Matt 5:32
      49. Adul.tery forbidden
      Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
      Adult.ery allowed
      Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
      50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
      Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
      Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
      Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
      51. A man may marry his brother's widow
      Deut 25:5
      A man may not marry his brother's widow
      Lev 20:21
      52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
      Luke 14:26
      Hatred to kindred condemned
      Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
      53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
      Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
      Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
      Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
      54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
      and punish evil doers only
      Rom 13:1-3,6
      It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
      good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
      Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
      Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
      55. Women's rights denied
      Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
      Women's rights affirmed
      Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
      56. Obedience to masters enjoined
      Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
      Obedience due to God only
      Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
      57. There is an unpardonable s.in
      Mark 3:29
      There is not unpardonable s.in
      Acts 13:39

      September 8, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • Henry


      God is not confused, you are! To understand the Bible you need to be born again, which means God will remove your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh as stated in Ezekiel 11: 19-20, “I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.”

      And as stated by Jesus Christ in John 3:5- 8, “Jesus answered, I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

      Take heed to the words of Jesus recorded in Revelation 3: 14- 22, “These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

      September 8, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Simran

      A zealous Christian who was trying to convert a Hindu found himself getting nowhere. "The thing is," argued the frustrated Christian, "you have to be born again!"

      "But I have been born again!" insisted the Hindu. "And again and again and again ..."

      September 8, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Well, now I understand why Henry is a christian. It was just too darned hard to learn all that science stuff. Why should Henry put out the effort to actually learn about evolution when he can just say "god did it" and have the support of all the other people who slept in science class?

      September 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Patrick

      An idolator which considers elephants and monkies as gods gets its information from an authentic source the infidel.org 😉

      September 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Henry, The reason we can take the word of Darwin of the word of whom people claim is god, is that we can all personally verify the words of Darwin. We can observe, test, even manipulate based on his teachings. That's because his words are based on verifiable evidence and not personal conjecture. That is the difference between believing the words of Darwin and the men who wrote the Bible.

      September 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • I don't THINK so

      I have little doubt that Henry creamed himself at the thought of all those atheists burning in eternal agony. Because, you know, he's such a loving Christian.

      September 9, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  19. Vash

    Atheists are so irrelevant. They make up what, 2% of the population??

    September 8, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • Athy

      Doesn't matter. Truth is never established by popular vote.

      September 8, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Well if you count babies and pre-indoctrinated children our numbers are much higher.

      September 8, 2012 at 3:37 am |
    • Atheists can't win a county sheriff.


      We are talking elections here, so yes it does.


      Babies and children can't vote, too bad for you.

      September 8, 2012 at 4:26 am |
    • Fred

      I'm loving this article.
      I'm so tired of this whiny vocal minority thinking they run the country
      (emphasis on whiny).
      Maybe they are finally getting the picture: they are badly outnumbered.
      I'm sure there's a country out there they would fit in.
      How about Zimbabwe? I'll help you pack!

      September 8, 2012 at 7:00 am |
    • PraiseTheLard

      I guess Fred is looking forward to the day when the entire country will be equally as indoctrinated as he is... sort of an intellectual in-breeding...

      September 8, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • sam stone

      Fred: Time to change the batteries in the Jeebus marital aid you got shoved up your rectum

      September 8, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Fred

      Hey, just keep on cryin' there, you 2%-ers.
      It's time we kicked you people to the curb and took back this
      country. You haven't completely ruined this country yet in spite of all your best efforts.

      September 8, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • I don't THINK so

      Vash is so irrelevant. He/she/it makes up, what? .000000000000000001% of the population?

      September 9, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
  20. I killed Jesus


    September 8, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Darwin's Rotwiller


      September 8, 2012 at 12:48 am |
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