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 A voice vote to change the DNC party platform turned to chaos Wednesday night.
September 6th, 2012
03:24 PM ET
Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?By Dan Merica, CNN Washington (CNN) – This convention season has not been good for atheists. The word "God" was reinserted in the Democratic platform after it had been removed. A plan to raise atheist billboards in the convention cities was stymied by opponents. And though there were preachers and rabbis and other religious leaders opening and closing each day of each convention, there wasn’t an avowed atheist talking up unbelief on either convention’s speaking list. The political lockout has left many nonbelievers asking, “What political party represents me?” “We are deeply saddened by the exclusion of a large number of Americans by both parties,” said Teresa MacBain, a spokeswoman for the group American Atheists, in an interview on Thursday. “It amazes me that in modern-day America, so much prejudice still exists.” After word spread Wednesday that Democrats left God out of their platform, atheists rejoiced. “Truly amazing news,” wrote Loren Miller on Atheist Nexus, a popular atheist blog. “The Republicans remain in the firm grasp of right-wing Christian religiosity, and I really don't know what it's going to take to free them from it.” But the convention committee immediately received huge pressure get God back in the platform. Even President Obama, according to CNN reporting, said, “Why on earth would that have been taken out?” when he first heard of the omission. In an awkward session that required three voice votes on the convention floor, the Democrats opted to add “God” back to the platform. For atheists, the Democrats were seen to be taking away a hard-fought victory. “We had 24 hours of joy as we felt (that) finally our government values all people,” said MacBain. “But that was short-lived. The vote last night angered many atheists and left them feeling excluded once again.” Online, atheist websites and Facebook pages went from upbeat to downcast as news spread of the platform revision. “Obama was the first president to acknowledge non believers,” Mark Musante wrote on the American Atheists’ Facebook page. “I wish he would stick to his guns.” Musante was referring to Obama’s 2009 inauguration speech, when the president said, “We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers.” Beverly Sitherwood, on the Friendly Atheist blog Facebook page, accused the Democrats of “Pandering for power.” Some atheist leaders used the platform defeat as a rallying call. “I guess a tiny step was too much to ask for,” David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, told CNN. “This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population - we don’t count. Well, guess what, Dems - we do. And we vote.” Silverman says that 16% of the voting public identify as nonbelievers. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, 12% of the electorate in 2008 was made up of people with no religious affiliation, though experts say the number of avowed atheists is much smaller. While acknowledging atheists, Obama has given platforms to high-profile religious leaders, including Rick Warren, a megachurch pastor who prayed at his inauguration, and Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who is giving the final prayer of the convention on Thursday night. American Atheists’ plans to raise billboards ridiculing the presidential candidates’ faith ended in failure. After the group put up billboards in Charlotte, North Carolina, the site of the Democratic National Convention, last month, it quickly removed them due to “physical threats to not only our staff, but the billboard company as well.” American Atheists had also planned on a billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there. But American Atheists said that all the billboard companies in Tampa rejected a sign taking aim at GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith. Perhaps because of the Republican Party’s ties to conservative Christianity, atheists tend to be Democrats. According to a 2012 Pew study, 71% of Americans who identified as atheist were Democrats. “The Republicans who spoke at the RNC seemed more like televangelists than politicians,” MacBain said. “The message was clear from the RNC: Get God, or get out.” The Republican’s 2012 platform mentions God 12 times, many of which describe the “God-given” rights that the Republican Party says are inherent to the American idea. Though most atheist groups claim that there are closeted atheists serving as representatives and senators, only one has come out as such. In September 2007, Rep. Pete Stark, Democrat of California, affirmed his atheism in a speech at the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University. soundoff (3,922 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Next »
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Atheists want to force their big bang theory nonsense on intelligent, good will Christians. Just saying, knock it off.
Just because you don't possess the intellectual capacity to understand something, doesn't make it nonsense. That's like a person who only speaks English saying that words written in Arabic or Chinese are nonsense.
You're the one who believes that the universe was created FROM NOTHING by a god who appeared OUT OF NOWHERE. You claim that the idea that the universe doesn't have a creator is nonsense, yet you assert with a straight face that it was created by a being that DIDN'T have a creator. Your beliefs are not simply far-fetched, but completely illogical.
Please do yourself and us all a favor and stay away from the topic of science. You're clearly not equipped to understand it and you're just making a fool out of yourself.
Christians want to force their Creationism nonsense on intelligent, good will Atheists. Just saying, knock it off.
No one can force you to accept the way the world has been observed to work over a book written and re-written by mainly anonymous authors full of immorality that todays word does not accept either.
jimbob wrote:
"Atheists want to force their big bang theory nonsense on intelligent, good will Christians. Just saying, knock it off."
Did you by any chance mean to say good-willed?
jimbob . . . "Just sayin"[g] hmmm . . . I think I smell a disgruntled
ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer!
Obama wants more time to do more damage. It's time to put him in the unemployment line where he belongs.
Nope – he's doing just fine thank you very much.
Your god says "Worship and adore me or I'm going to hurt you." Sounds like a wonderful guy!
It takes a lot of balls to be a true atheist. I think most people who claim to be atheists are liars or are just fooling themselves - at best, they are agnostics.
When faced with the prospect of death or some kind of horrible calamity, most people will end up praying to something or someone.
Ah, the "there are no atheists in foxholes" lie. Why though would you want to believe in something based on fear?
Well at least we embrace our limited mortality while living on this planet than waste time trying to get a free pass to an obvious made up imaginary afterlife.
No atheists in foxholes is an argument against foxholes, not atheists.
Sometimes I really wish there were a magic genie - that would be great. There isn't.
How the hell would you know what most people will do, jonp? Your comment is ridiculous.
Christians are scared of anyone that disagrees with them – "The Christian Persecution Complex."
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.
Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).
So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.
mama kindless
Wonderful post. Well said, indeed.
Prayer changes things ,
Name one provable instance of that.
I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Only someone with no job and no social or romantic life could have time to troll CNN looking for religion related stories and post that message over and over. Why should we take seriously the baseless claims of some loser?
@maya
nope
It's amazing what some people think! I had a 25 year addiction to drugs and alcohol so severe I could never fully explain it here,after trying everything,including rehabs, nothing worked. I can remember laying in bed with my family beside me yelling
out " Why me God, Why me!!!" Doctors told me with the amounts I consumed there was NO way I should be alive. I gave my ENTIRE life to my lord and savior, JESUS CHRIST, and I have been FREE from this LIVING HELL for 3 years now, so I
KNOW without a shadow of a doubt, OUR GOD REIGNS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's excellent. Stay clean and serene. Tell Jesus I said Hi.
Funny. It sounds like you just traded one addiction for another.
@mflorian
nope
Your absolutely right. I did trade one addiction for another, and HE is USING me in incredible ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to see a happy story in reation to a mindless addiction to religion overcoming a mindless addiction to drugs and booze, in your case congratulaions are in order. In a different time and place the type of religious addiction you display now has caused others to fly planes into buildings.
@jesus
Born Agains
Born Agains are the most dogmatic of all (christians), because it is the dogma itself that forms their belief ststem. The Born Again believes that everyone needs to be told what to do–and realistically, that's the only thing keeping them out of jail. This group has a powerful system of beliefs, and they will tell you about it whenever they get a chance.
It is advisable to stay clear of Born Agains for it is impossible to determine when they may revert to their former selves or they may demand that you must join them in their delusional world, just run away.
Free advice from the Gospel of the FSM.
RAmen
I agree completely Just a John.
nope to nope
When you are weak willed and weak minded, you need some substance to give your life purpose and meaning. You just exchanged drugs for religion. In your case it is probably the less destructive of the two, but that is not always true. Both are equally irrelevant to reality.
So, you're worshipping God because he saved you? Did it ever occur to you to ask why he made you such a screwed up person in the first place? No, of course it didn't. You're just a weakling who will use anything, whether that is drugs or Jesus, to avoid having to think for yourself and deal with life. You NEED Jesus, just like you NEEDED drugs. Pathetic.
"HE is USING me in incredible ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Sounds like an abusive relationship.
@jesusrules: "Your absolutely right. I did trade one addiction for another, and HE is USING me in incredible ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Typically when I see any post whose author has trouble with which "your" to use I immediately stop reading since its fairly evident that what follows will be uneducated drivel.
@jesusrules: But you only did so once that I saw, so I granted you an exception. Thank me later. Plus I suppose your emphatic overuse of exclamation marks drew me in.
First, sincere congrats on getting off drugs, since you obviously couldn't handle them appropriately. Hopefully it has kept you from hurting others since you couldn't seem to come to that conclusion by yourself. I think the others who commented were correct about your weak nature and need for some addiction to absolve yourself of any personal responsibility.
Second, thanks for that visual of Jesus using you. I had never in my life envisioned jesus with his toga pulled high in one hand, and in the other a huge pulsing sweaty red staff. But you've changed that for the better.
is everyone on this board an atheist?
I am not an athiest, but I would like to quote one scripture I would ask nicely for everyone to read at least once. Sure, I know you are athiest so your saying why should I even open up the Bible anyway? Just do it, and you will see what I am referring to. Psalms 14:1
If you run out of TP, Psalms is a half decent substi'tute. Other than that, it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
Jim,
That quote is classic "cult logic". The book is saying that if you don't agree with what is written you are a "fool". Any good cult would do the same. It is a circular logic tactic that sounds reasonable but when looked at critically is fundamentally flawed.
jim,
Re: Psalms 14:1 – "A fool in his heart..."
A quite old and sometimes effective tactic – declaring that those who do not believe your story are 'fools'. Nobody wants to be considered 'dumb' for not seeing the Emperor's new clothes, or a 'bas.tard' for not seeing the Sultan's new turban, or a 'cuckold' for not being able to see the Miller's gold thumb.
Even Joseph Smith used it when he gathered his 'witnesses' to his golden plates. He told them that only those with 'true faith' would be able to 'see' them.
The ancient, primitive Hebrews who originated those Bible stories were quite adept at manipulative mind-games.
"Just look, Your Majesty, what colors! What a design!" They pointed to the empty looms, each supposing that the others could see the stuff.
"What's this?" thought the Emperor. "I can't see anything. This is terrible!
Am I a fool? Am I unfit to be the Emperor? What a thing to happen to me of all people! – Oh! It's very pretty," he said. "It has my highest approval." And he nodded approbation at the empty loom. Nothing could make him say that he couldn't see anything." – The Emperor's New Clothes
@ Jim – What a classic example of the arrogance which pervades American Christianity. I hate to burst your bubble, but we aren't atheists because we are ignorant and have never been exposed to the Bible. I know this will be hard for you to accept, but the majority of us rejected Christianity because we did read the Bible. Most American atheists were raised as Christians. I have known many atheists who were once true believers, who have read the Bible cover to cover countless times. I have known many atheists who are former clergy members. Even most atheists I've met who weren't raised with religion have read the Bible, along with other religious scriptures, and rejected it. When we read the Bible, we see beliefs about the world which lack any scientific or logical basis. We see beliefs which are misogynistic and extremely anti-human. We see blind adoration of a violent, capricious, vain, manipulative, and irrational God. We see coercive threats of eternal torture aimed at anyone who would dare question those beliefs. We've read your Bible, and we reject it.
@maya:
[stands slowly]
.........clap.....clap.....clap...clap..clap..clap,clap,clap,clap,clap,clap,clap,clap (for about 30 seconds)
Athesists get no love in the South. That's why their sign was taken down in Charlotte. We don't play that down here.
Don't play what? Allowing others the freedom to express their opinions publicly even if it is not popular? Well bully for you!
Land of the free my a.ss.
Another redneck keyboard warrior.
Yes, there are a lot of things that you don't "play down here" in the South. Education would be another thing.
Nice to hear people down there still adhere to the idea that if someone disagrees with you, you should threaten him until he shuts up. With that kind of capacity for rational thought, is it any wonder that states in the South have some of the highest rates of poverty, mental illness, violent crime, teen pregnancy, STDs, and high school dropout in the nation?
this is disappointing but until we're allowed to put up atheist billboards in the southern U.S. we're going to boycott moonshine, much as it makes us unhappy to give it up. But we've got to hurt you in the wallet to have a hope of overturning your decision.
I just think it is ridiculous when you watch the DNC "voting" to return God. After the first vote when it seemed as if the majority was actually saying No, they should've instantly stopped. Furthermore, the only people that cared that it wasn't originally mentioned was Fox news and the GOP. The DNC just pandered to the very people that will never like or vote for them.
Well the party that thinks anyone who doesn't believe is a piece of dukey would not be the one to support.
AS WE EVOLVE, SO DO OUR PRAYERS:
(Only for the new members)
The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)
Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??
I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)
Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,
He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
Jerusalem.
Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.
Amen
(references used are available upon request)
You do know that Zeus is the King of all Gods... Right?
There is no historical evidence that any such carpenter ever existed. Why even give that sop to the zealots. I stick with the following: everything in every religious text is absolute hogwash, there is not one shred of fact to be found in any of them. Any person who expresses religious belief is either lying, or mentally defective.
From Professors Crossan and Watts' book, Who is Jesus.
"That Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate, as the Creed states, is as certain as anything historical can ever be.
: “ The Jewish historian, Josephus and the pagan historian Tacitus both agree that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea. And is very hard to imagine that Jesus' followers would have invented such a story unless it indeed happened.
“While the brute fact that of Jesus' death by crucifixion is historically certain, however, those detailed narratives in our present gospels are much more problematic. "
“My best historical reconstruction would be something like this. Jesus was arrested during the Passover festival, most likely in response to his action in the Temple. Those who were closest to him ran away for their own safety.
I do not presume that there were any high-level confrontations between Caiaphas and Pilate and Herod Antipas either about Jesus or with Jesus. No doubt they would have agreed before the festival that fast action was to be taken against any disturbance and that a few examples by crucifixion might be especially useful at the outset. And I doubt very much if Jewish police or Roman soldiers needed to go too far up the chain of command in handling a Galilean peasant like Jesus. It is hard for us to imagine the casual brutality with which Jesus was probably taken and executed. All those "last week" details in our gospels, as distinct from the brute facts just mentioned, are prophecy turned into history, rather than history remembered."
See Professor Crossan's reviews of the existence of Jesus in his other books especially, The Historical Jesus and also Excavating Jesus (with Professor Jonathan Reed doing the archeology discussion) .
Other NT exegetes to include members of the Jesus Seminar have published similar books with appropriate supporting references.
Part of Crossan's The Historical Jesus has been published online at http://books.google.com/books?id=AsPHR4-7Wc8C&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=%22place+of+life%22+%22the+historical+jesus%22+crossan&source=web&ots=8mVx_1M6g4&sig=XFqT8S1coAT18xq8Qwt1vMcMjW0
There is also a search engine for this book on the left side of the opening page. e.g. Search Josephus
(Warning, the online book is not complete).
See also Wikipedia's review on the historical Jesus to include the Tacitus' reference to the crucifixion of Jesus.
From ask.com,
"One of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Cornelius Tacitus is a primary source for much of what is known about life the first and second centuries after the life of Jesus. His most famous works, Histories and Annals, exist in fragmentary form, though many of his earlier writings were lost to time. Tacitus is known for being generally reliable (if somewhat biased toward what he saw as Roman immorality) and for having a uniquely direct (if not blunt) writing style."
They have NEVER found his body and they NEVER will..........hes risen. You can find the grave of EVERY major religon leader that is died....except jesus....hmmmm
@bigwords: "They have NEVER found his body and they NEVER will"
How appropriate. He sleeps wit da fishes.
Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/
From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."
Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.
To wit;
From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:
"Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.
Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.
Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.
The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.
Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.
The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "
"In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM
The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.
With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:
An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,
p.4
"Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."
p.168. by Ted Peters:
Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "
So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.
So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.
Like atheists would actually vote republican...LOL
I am and will.
Politics is about compromise.Just because I vehemently disagree with Republicans on issues of religion doesn't mean that we don't have common ground in other areas.
either way i suppose its nice to at least know people will be voting based on a more humanistic bent instead of some perceived "choice of the anointed"
hold on! ya all have a club ,like a church sorta of club ?? The Atheists I know believe in nothing but daily life and there are no atheists who carry a symble saying thehir an atheist. what? Not happy because you feel left out? sorry. We could ,I suppose ,send you all little "HUG THE ATHEIST DAY" and make them happy. a real atheist votes for the party and stays out of debate concerning religion. After all it is all made up ,right ? Personally i am surrounded by that culture on and off the internet and as far as I can tell ,there is a bunch of unhappy miserable people who need a load of attention.
It needs to return to grammar school.
It also needs to learn where punctuation marks go.
And it could use a lot of help in learning how to spell.
And all of the above are characteristic of the fundamentalist idiots that populate this blog.
Yeah, there's definitely a relationship there. The fundies and vangies are generally barely literate while the atheists have a much better command of the language.
Not exactly a shock, is it? I mean, how much value to the fundies place on education in general?
Apparently not much. They're painfully slow in so many ways.
True Tom. I think proper funding of public education might be my top political priority. I guess that pretty much gives away where my vote will go.
Mine too. I must say, though, that i've been disappointed in Obama's stance on education and his reliance on Arne Duncan for input. But Romney would be a worse choice and better the devil you know.
It's a sad commentary on the truth about the value the voters place on education. They all say that it's important, but the budget and politics say otherwise.
It puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose again.
I'm kind of a profiling hobbyist and the image I get from this one is pretty disturbing .The punctuation ,is a dyslexic s' wet dream . Exclamation point
One person comment bashed by 5 different people, still assert that they are the one being bashed.
Mintaroo: Ha ha, you GOT it right!!!! Keep on speaking the truth! Look at all the whiney idiotic comments below yours which totally and completely prove your point. Democrats are the party of INCLUSION. Not going to exclude ALL FAITHS just to make some crybabies happy. UGH!!!!!
Mintaroo is an idiot.
Zombia: " . .Look at all the whiney idiotic comments below yours . ." I think its pretty clear who the idiots are here: the people who cannot put together a clear and proper sentence. There is an idiomatic expression for your assessment of Mintaroo's post: TOTAL FAIL.
it puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.
Atheists actually believe people like them? Everyone hates atheists, they spend so much time trying to disprove something that cant be disproved, instead of just living their life's.
Sure, honey. By the way, FYI, it's "lives". Not "lifes" As anyone who got past 5th grade would know.
"instead of just living their life IS..." HUH?
Disprove something for which there is no evidence? Let's see you disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster! On the same token, you are equally unable to PROVE the existence of you alleged "god." Retard!
Tom, Tom: He could be using the possessive or a contraction, there. It is not clear. 🙂
He could. But he's not likely clear on the distinction. Either way, he's guilty until proven innocent.
The Chard doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Wow. That was an educated comment. Have you met any atheists? I know several and they happen to be decent human beings who simply don't believe in "a man in the sky who has an ego problem." That doesn't make them bad people. As a matter of fact, a lot of them are better people than my fellow christian friends. Go ahead and live your life, but don't make blanket judgments about people, it's discrimination, it's tacky and you're usually wrong. And last time I checked, we ALL have the right to believe whatever we want in this country, whether it is christianity, spaghetti monsters or nothing at all. It is called freedom.
Oops. Sorry. I got confused trying to distinguish the difference between one idiotic zealot and another.
They all look alike to me.
Tom Tom, my comments were for "Anthony" not you. Maybe I should have indicated that by addressing my post directly to Anthony. Apologies for any confusion.
@Anthony... Actually Anthony we expect that most religious people hate us as that's the currency they trade in usually. However, I can tell you that I love all people, regardless of whether they subscribe to fantasies and mythologies or if they seek evidence as their basis for reality. Loving your fellow man, regardless of whether you agree with their personal opinion or political perspective is a great freedom, as hate is a baggage you must drag around with you. I hope you find this truth one day as I feel an immense amount of sympathy for anyone who wallows in that kind of depressing filth.
He's using that dang greengrocer's apostrophe for a plural (life's) in addition to the incorrect plural form of "life".
No worries, kids. I know where you're coming from. 😉
Anthony actually wrote this (I am not kidding):
"Atheists actually believe people like them? Everyone hates atheists, they spend so much time trying to disprove something that cant be disproved, instead of just living their life's."
I think I am smelling a disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer's helper's helper.
It's hard to make two errors in one word, folks. Give the boy some credit.
I still don't know what is meant by "Atheists actually believe people like them?"
Are we talking about how atheists perceive their likability from others, or
are we talking about the believability of atheists amongst their own kind?
It must be my first guess. It certainly could be more clear.
Well, it COULD be, but it was a statement posted by an idiot. No point in expecting silk purses from sow's ears.
Atheist are funny..........waaa i am upset over something I dont believe in waaaa ROFL
"Bigwords," you're an idiot (and your username, "Bigwords," is such a wonderful descriptor of your vocabulary. I'm so proud of you for mastering those really hard ones like, "and," and, "the")
Athiests are not crying over something that cannot be proven, they are angry over the constant barrage of fundamentalist nonsense that flows out of the mouths of idiots. If you have faith, I'm happy for you–truly–but we are a *SECULAR NATION*. The church needs to stay out of the government. Even more pronounced this election cycle, especially on the Republican's side of the line, it's almost seemed more of an election of a preacher than a president. Nevermind that one person may be more qualified than another, or if one has no political experience whatsoever, or maybe one candidate out of all of them has a brilliant plan for America–none of it matters if he doesn't believe in the Christian god.
The problem comes from fundie idiots believing any politician that says, "God told me," instead of critically thinking for themselves. I suppose fear is much easier. "Oh noes! They's gonna take mah beer, NASCAR and Jesus away!"
"Bigwords," if your eyes have completely glazed over and you're poor little vapid mind can't comprehend the last few sentences, let me direct you to something easier you might understand: Shut up, fool, and let the adults talk.
DUH...... Communist Party... The original "NO RELIGION" party...
Jesus was a Socialist if not a Commie.
LOL who the heck cares about freaking atheists?
Other atheists?
*rinse. repeat* Their parents and loved ones?
Any patriotic American would care; where does that put you?
yer momma certainly seemed to care last night when i popped her between the buttocks. You dad was kind enough to offer to clean me afterward. Good times!
Its quite simple, the more you know the less you know. Why? Because more questions arise with no answer.
Simpleton. You're positing we ought to seek to live in ignorance simply because its taxing on your brain to live in a world of science n' facts n' stuff. Get back to your NASCAR.
Atheists make Democrats seem genuine.
I would guess that most atheists would prefer a better choice than Democrats. It's just that Republicans are too unpalatable.