On campaign trail, Romney ratchets ups God rhetoric
Early in his campaign, Mitt Romney spoke at Liberty University, the largest evangelical Christian university in the world.
September 14th, 2012
03:14 PM ET

On campaign trail, Romney ratchets ups God rhetoric

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – At campaign events these days, Mitt Romney often says that if he is elected president, he will emphasize the role of God in American society and will not “take God out of the public square.”

That kind of rhetoric is a departure from earlier less God-focused versions of the Republican candidate’s stump speech and his early apprehension with discussing his Mormon faith.

According to Mark DeMoss, Romney’s adviser to the evangelical community, such lines are designed to create a contrast with a Democratic Party that had to fight to get God into its platform at its recent convention.

“I will not take God out of my heart, I will not take God out of the public square, and I will not take it out of the platform of my party,” Romney has been saying in his stump speech since the Democratic platform fight this month.

The former Massachusetts governor used the line at a campaign stop in Mansfield, Ohio, on Monday. In nearly the same breath, he said that “we are nation under God.”

CNN Belief: Can Mitt Romney’s evangelical ambassador seal the deal before Election Day?

DeMoss says the new rhetoric is not a departure from anything but is “as much as a response to something that really shocked a lot of people.”

“I think the governor is probably doing two things,” said DeMoss, a senior adviser to the Romney campaign: “reinforcing his own commitment to God and, secondly, showing some contrast.”

Some religious leaders and scholars see Romney's new God talk in a somewhat different light.

The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and media commentator, said Romney’s line that “I will not take God out of my heart” is a coded way to question to veracity of the President Barack Obama’s Christian faith.

“Critiquing the president for taking God out of the public square when he regularly refers to God and implicitly critiquing him for taking God out of his heart, any way you look at it, is offensive,” Martin said.

In his critique of Romney’s religious rhetoric, Martin cited Matthew 7:1, “Judge not, that you be not judged.”

DeMoss, a Christian PR executive, said questions about the president’s faith should not be read into the speech.

“I take that comment as a reinforced pledge and commitment that God is not going to be stripped from anything if he has anything to say about it, whether it is his heart or the public square or the party platform,” DeMoss said. “I think it would be unreasonable or unfair to suggest that that was a comment on the president.”

Last week, at an event in Virginia Beach, Virginia, Romney pledged to keep God on U.S. currency.

“Our pledge says ‘under God,’”  Romney told thousands of energetic supporters at the Military Aviation Museum in Virginia Beach. “I will not take God out of the name of our platform. I will not take God off our coins. And I will not take God out of my heart.”

On Tuesday, the anniversary of terrorist attacks of September 11, Romney tweeted, "On this most somber day, America is united under God in its quest and freedom at home and across the world."

The increased God rhetoric adds to a campaign that has frequently discussed religious issues, even as Romney says the economy is the most important issue.

From debates over religious liberty – sparked by the Obama administration's "contraception mandate" for health care plans – to abortion rights, the Romney campaign has taken stands on a number of religious issues, attempting to draw a distinction with Obama.

CNN Belief: Religious exemptions grow in contraception mandate

Jacques Berlinerblau, a Georgetown University professor with an expertise in religion and politics, says he sees the change as a response to a president who is doing better in recent polls.

“When (Republicans) get nervous about a loss, they go into base-whip-up stage,” Berlinerblau said. “They try to energize the base even more.”

He argues that such rhetoric will not appeal to “moderate religious voters” and that it is pushing Romney off his economic message.

“They are totally getting off-script,” Berlinerblau said. “We hear that this election is all about the economy, but now we are talking about religion and faith issues.”

DeMoss says it's possible to emphasize both religious and economic issues.

“I am comfortable with the balance that he has struck about talking about his faith and other people's faith, and I was comfortable with the balance at the Republican convention,” DeMoss said. “It is part of the equation, but it is certainly not the dominant part.”

- CNN’s Rachel Streitfeld contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • God • Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

soundoff (3,354 Responses)
  1. Dyslexic doG

    Is Mormonism Christian?" is a very important question. The answer is equally important and simple. No. Mormonism is not Christian.

    The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God in all existence, Jesus is divine, God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 4:1-5), and Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 John 2:19; Luke 24:39), the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Cor. 15:1-4), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the God of Christianity, and His work of salvation.

    Mormonism teaches

    Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17). Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5). See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity is (see also, false trinity)

    Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, the Mormon is not Christian – in spite of all his claims that he is Christian. Quite simply, the Mormon god doesn't exist.

    Mormonism teaches

    Mormon theology teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has been God eternally (Psalm 90:2) – which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected. The Bible tells us that Jesus – The Jesus of Mormonism – is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.

    Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil," (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience," (Articles, p. 81). This clearly contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).

    To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold. It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teache it is by faith alone. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.

    Mormonism and the Bible

    In order to justify its aberrant theology, Mormonism has undermined the authority and trustworthiness of the Bible. The 8th article of faith from the Mormon Church states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly." This means that when the Bible contradicts Mormonism, the Bible isn't trustworthy.

    The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith allegedly corrected the Bible in what is called The Inspired Version, though it is not used by the LDS church. Though they claim they trust the Bible, in reality they do not. They use Mormon presuppositions to interpret it instead of letting it speak for itself. For example, where the Bible says there are no other gods in the universe (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), they interpret it to mean "no other gods of this world" – which is not what those verses say. They do not trust the Bible and they often state that the Bible is not translated correctly.


    Why is Mormonism a non-Christian religion? It is not Christian because it denies that there is only one God, denies the true Gospel, adds works to salvation, denies that Jesus is the uncreated creator, distorts the biblical teaching of the atonement, and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.

    No-one denies that Mormons are good people, that they worship "a" god, that they share common words with Christians, that they help their people, and that they do many good things. But that isn't what makes someone Christian. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23, " Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" (NKJV). Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a church, doing good things, or simply believing in God. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus – not the brother of the devil, not the god of Mormonism, not the gospel of Mormonism. Mormonism is false and cannot save anyone.

    September 18, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Athy

      It really doesn't matter if Mormonism is Christian or not, it's a religion and should be kept as far away as possible from our government.

      September 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      If it is one of the core beliefs of christianity that there is only one god in all existence, why is there a commandment about having no other god? The commandment more than suggests that there are other gods to chose from.

      September 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Mormonism cannot save anyone. Very true.

      Nor can Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. Why? Because they are the products of the human mind, and nothing more.

      September 18, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
  2. LDSinTX


    September 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  3. CriticalThoughtIsWonderful

    Just because Romney says things like "I will not take God out of my heart," does NOT mean he is being asked to. He's subtly playing a victim by saying things that imply his belief and faith are in danger, or that people are expecting him to cash in his religion if he gets elected.
    There's not a single instance of religion being taken from anyone.
    The only political party that is threatening freedom of religion in the US is the GOP by attempting to force their religion onto others.

    September 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  4. for real with the lord

    mr.romney and his follower's of the mormon religion are praying for him to get into the white house,it would be the most stupidest thing in american politic's, he would then bring mormonism to a new high on the world stage but this is the catch the mormon religion is less than 170 years old and the founder joe smith rewrote the bible in his own word's to live by,that's right for those who don't know this man made up his own bible and if mitt say's he'll use the word god i do believe him only half way, you see this is where the mormonisn will come into play just look at the horns on the side's of his head he is truly satan's son remember the movie the omen??

    September 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Dippy

      Thanks for the run-on sentence. You write like an eight-year old. And apostrophes are never used to form plurals (assuming you even know what a plural is).

      September 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  5. concerto45

    Wow, with Romney's latest gaffe, I don't think we need to worry about how much religion he's going to put into our government, because he's just lost his chance to become President. Anybody with 5 braincells would listen to his 47% remark he just made (front page and center on every news page) and toss him overboard. The poor GOP is probably wishing they had abandoned the idea of having a mormon anywhere the White House. Mormons are just ignorant. They are kept in the dark from childhood so that they can't think for themselves and discover what a cult they belong to.

    September 18, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  6. saganhill

    He means he wont take god out of his pocket book. Thats all religion is, a money making scheme. Ask Peter Popoff, Pat Robertson, and other so-called religious despots.

    September 18, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  7. Sony Bozo & Chair

    Why does Mitty need to appeal the main stream Xtian God or the mormon God now ? He already has the almighty $$$ god in his pocket whom he wows to defend on the US currency 😉

    September 18, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  8. Jesus was a space alien

    He may need God since getting elected may take a miracle from him. He is running out of groups to pander to.

    September 18, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  9. alpg49

    Christians are commanded to separate church and state. Read Matthew 22:21, 4:8,9, John 18:36, and Luke 4:58. Luke identifies political power as Satan's possession. Also, the First Amendment does exactly the same. If you think American society is too secular (as I do), then it's time to go out and convert people. Hijacking the government won't work.

    September 18, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • alpg49

      Make that Luke 4:5-8.

      September 18, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • saganhill

      You'll look kind of funny with no teeth trying to convert me. Leave your delusion in church or your home where it belongs.

      September 18, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Athy

      Convert people? Why the fuck do you feel obligated to "convert" people? Come to my house and I'll slam the door in your face. And you're lucky that's all I'll do!

      September 18, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  10. dough

    “I will not take God out of my heart, I will not take God out of the public square, and I will not take it out of the platform of my party". Shouldn't "it" at least be capitalized if he has any real conviction?

    September 18, 2012 at 8:44 am |
  11. Peter Wolfe

    Mr Romney professes a belief in God but he wishes to demolishes Medicaid for the poorest Americans. His pants are filled with thousands of dollars with his four homes, ellaborate international vacations and 400 million in tax havens/shelters overseas and says that he is an American? I'm a Meddicaid repatient with legal blindness but if these cuts happen just toss my dead corpse on the White House lawn for everybody to remember the cost of capitalism. Remember what our relatives fought/died for and for only rich people to get even more filthy rich and the poor like me being blind with 70% unemployment to die a miserible lonely death.

    September 18, 2012 at 4:44 am |
  12. NanH

    OMG! Keep religion out of politics and vice versa already, sick, sick, sick of it.

    September 18, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • william

      Nan... at least there are two of us. Romney's new strategy of sucking up to the evangelicals really makes me angry... as a conservative he should be touting the separation of church and state as was intended by the founding fathers. He'd assure my vote if he'd say on day one of his presidency he was closing down the Office of Faith Based Initiatives at the White House, and acknowledge that this should be done by private individuals and churches, not the government.

      September 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Yeah ain't democracy a drag?

      September 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  13. Reality

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections and why Romney is wasting his money:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    September 18, 2012 at 12:31 am |
  14. Havoc7

    "one nation under God" was not in the original Pledge of Allegiance. It was added by politicians in the 1950's.

    September 17, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • niknak

      Dude, they will stone you for sure for bringing those blasphemy facts up.
      Every good fox/fundie knows that was just made up by the libural media and is not true.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • niknak

      What they should have made it say was;
      One nation under a groove, getting down just for the funk of it!

      September 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Abinadi

      So, what?

      September 17, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • End Religion

      A suggestion for a new pledge:

      I pledge allegiance to the idea of the United States of America, a darn nice Republic and dandy place to live, one Nation under a groove, getting down just for the funk of it, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And since there seems to be some debate as to the definition of "all," we don't just mean men, or just white people, or just the wealthy, or just lawyers, or just any group apart from all others. "All" means every citizen. Non-citizens, we'll try to treat you with justice but really, no one is perfect. Just get legal citizenship and you're in the club, otherwise its a bit up in the air.

      September 18, 2012 at 12:40 am |
  15. niknak

    When you are not going to get the minority vote, or the city folk vote, or the soccor mom vote and you are falling further and further behind in the swing vote, whats a fundie to do?
    Double down on god!!
    Scratch just below the surface of any religious person and you will find some creepy stuff.

    September 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
  16. Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

    And this froot loop wants to be our president? we are so doomed as a country. we're heading back to the stone age

    September 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
  17. The Mockingjay

    He he he

    September 17, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • Athy

      She she she

      September 17, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Rogue

      Ho ho ho

      September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • Byteme

      He's a ho, he's a ho, he's a ho...

      September 18, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  18. JesusChrist

    Troubling Quotes from the Second Prophet (leader) of the Mormon Church

    Brigham Young said your own blood must atone for some sins.

    "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).

    Brigham Young said you must confess Joseph Smith as a prophet of God in order to be saved.

    "...and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 312).

    Brigham Young said his discourses are as good as Scripture.

    "I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95).

    Brigham Young said he had never given any counsel that was wrong.

    "I am here to answer. I shall be on hand to answer when I am called upon, for all the counsel and for all the instruction that I have given to this people. If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161).

    Brigham Young compared his sermons with scripture.

    "I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom...I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 95).

    Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.

    "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).

    Brigham Young said you can't get to the highest heaven without Joseph Smith's consent.

    "...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

    Brigham Young boasted.

    "What man or woman on earth, what spirit in the spirit-world can say truthfully that I ever gave a wrong word of counsel, or a word of advice that could not be sanctioned by the heavens? The success which has attended me in my presidency is owing to the blessings and mercy of the Almighty . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 12, p. 127).

    Brigham Young said Jesus' birth was as natural as ours.

    "The birth of the Savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood–was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).

    Brigham Young said that God the Father and Mary 'do it.'

    "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218). "The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115). Note: the late Bruce McConkie who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated "There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events..." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).

    Brigham Young said that Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Spirit.

    "I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

    Brigham Young taught that Adam was God.

    "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken - He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50).

    Brigham Young made a false prophecy?

    "In the days of Joseph [Smith] it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 40).

    Brigham Young comments about blacks

    "You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).

    "In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 172).

    "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).

    Now if that last portion didn't strike you as unbelievably horrible, than imagine this....Mormons are taught to believe every word of their prophets as though they were the words of God: Unquestionable. And these are quotes from just one of their prophets.
    Now imagine the President of the USA being Mormon.....

    September 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Toose

      Now why aren't "Republican Evangelicals" up in arms about this?

      September 17, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Well, Paul was also a very opinionated prophet and counselled that wives should be subject to their husbands and should not speak out in public, which was probably good advice in Roman times, but is no longer true today. Brigham Young definately had personality. It appears he did not like blacks much, which was quite common for the day, but that is not what the church teaches today. Poligamy was also the commandment of the Lord at that time but Latter-day Saints have been commanded to live monogamy today. Sometimes I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are the ONLY people living monogamy nowdays. I have been married to my wife, my only wife, for 40+ years and that is certainly unusual. Some of the other stuff is true and some not. I am not going to go point by point, but let's not be so hypocritical here. The evangelicals believe some pretty weird stuff too. They have made creationism a big deal and I am afraid that is very foolish – kind of like the Catholic church insisting the earth was the center of the universe. People laugh about Kolob, but that is MUCH more sain than everywhere and nowhere – what in the world?

      September 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Sorry, Abinadi, but the 'my religion is not as dumb as other religions' argument doesn't really wash with atheists.

      Atheists tend to think they're all pretty ridiculous.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Well, yes, I understand that, goper, but, frankly, I find atheists a bit strange too. I can understand that you have never had the companionship of the Holy Ghost like I have and don't know any better, but to make a claim that just because you don't have it, nobody else does? I have never smoked pot, but I would never claim that just because I haven't that you haven't.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      the vast majority of adult atheists were brought up in a religious tradition and have subsequently rejected it.

      While this is changing with millenials more and more of whom are being brought up without religious instruction you shouldn't make assumptions about people's experiences.

      Please undertstand that I only challenge your argument – not your faith.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      @abinadi: this companionship of the Holy Ghost of which you speak – can you fill us in on that? Companionship generally implies "companions". So, do you hang out, have a few beers, play some darts maybe, with this companion? And if it's a ghost, I assume you can't see it? Or hear it? Or taste it? Or touch it? Or smell it? Or sense it in any way? And how is this companionship any different than a child that makes up an imaginary friend? Or a paranoid schizophrenic who hears voices? How can you discern the difference?

      September 17, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Athy

      There is no difference.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Commenter


      I thought that I had this "companionship of the Holy Spirit" for many years (over 40 of them). Then I figured out that I was talking to myself. I could conjure those same feelings of euphoria in an instant if I wanted to. It is not real. It is an emotional response to plain old thought processes.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      @abi: "The evangelicals believe some pretty weird stuff too."
      This makes you more human. TY for sharing.

      It's the next part that befuddles me. Knowing how "weird" parts of your religion are, how can you not see it through to the logical conclusion? When you think its "weird" that's because you're seeing it as irrational. Yet it is a commandment or "truth" in the same way any other part of the faith is. How can you not see its all just made up by some guy who loved the attention, wanted the power and what he thought was easy money in making up a religion?

      September 18, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • End Religion

      @abi: "I can understand that you have never had the companionship of the Holy Ghost like I have and don't know any better, but to make a claim that just because you don't have it, nobody else does? I have never smoked pot, but I would never claim that just because I haven't that you haven't."

      This is the gold mine of religion. It basically answers my previous question. You either live in a world of fact, reason and logic or you live in a world of magic.

      None of us has truly had the companionship of a ghost – there has never been any peer-reviewed science proving the existence of such. Many have suffered some delusion to that effect, for various reasons, mostly so they can feel purpose or because they're feeling small and alone in the universe, or some out of sheer ignorance to some real world event. Loneliness is what appears to be your need; the need to be loved. You need a buddy in your life, Jesus Buddy. So you make up ghost stories and attend gatherings with others who share the need for Jesus Buddy so as a group you don't feel as weird.

      The example of pot smoking just doesn't jibe. Pot exists, ghosts do not. It is rational to claim there is no ghost since there is no proof to the contrary, however there is proof pot exists.

      September 18, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • End Religion

      Here's your Buddy Christ...

      September 18, 2012 at 12:19 am |
  19. PraiseTheLard

    Never have this many been fooled by so little...

    September 17, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
  20. 2Sliqq

    FYI – As a former Mormon I assure you they do NOT worship Joseph Smith, but they ABSOUTELY believe they will be gods and goddesses (married and in a constant state of copulation to produce the billions of little spirits they believe they will rule) of their very own universes. The great Satanic promise is that they have bought into is that they will one day be worthy of being worshipped just as the Judeo-Christian God is worthy of being worshipped now.They great giveaway to the soursce and nature of this promise is that it goes directly to the core of human pride. Where have we heard this promise before? I picture a garden,a fruit of some kind and a Sepent. It is LITERALLY the oldest trick in THE BOOK!

    September 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Yeah, and evangelicals think they will spend all eternity sitting on a cloud with a harp. Boring!!!!

      September 17, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Actually, Abinadi, you don't have it quite right – they don't sit on clouds with harps – they sit on clouds with harp seals. Harp seal pups, actually. Do you have ANY idea how cute they are? (The seals – not the fundies). Great way to spend eternity, just sittin' and lookin' into those big round cure harp seal pup eyes – until you get some eternal Newfoundlander coming along on the cloud and bashin' the harp seal's head in. Oh well. Hey – my meds – that's where they went!

      September 17, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Samantha

      EXACTLY...I wish people would see Romney for what he really is...a demonic worshiping demon.

      September 18, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74
About this blog

The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.