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September 17th, 2012
05:43 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Monday, September 17

By Arielle Hawkins , CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: On campaign trail, Romney ratchets ups God rhetoric
At campaign events these days, Mitt Romney often says that if he is elected president, he will emphasize the role of God in American society and will not “take God out of the public square.” That kind of rhetoric is a departure from earlier less God-focused versions of the Republican candidate’s stump speech and his early apprehension with discussing his Mormon faith.

CNN: Pope Benedict begins trip to Lebanon amid Mideast protests, violence
Pope Benedict XVI arrived in Beirut, Lebanon, on Friday for a previously scheduled trip as anti-American protests and violence spurred by an anti-Islamic film roiled the Mideast, including in Lebanon. Police killed one person in Tripoli, Lebanon, on Friday after a group of armed men stormed a restaurant amid protests in the city, Lebanese security forces told CNN.

CNN: Controversy over anti-Islamic film shines light on Coptic Christianity
Violence in the Muslim world over an anti-Islamic film that appears to have been produced by a Coptic Christian is bringing uncomfortable focus on the religious tradition. A staffer on the film, which has provoked anti-American protests and violence across the Muslim world, said he believed that the filmmaker is a Coptic Christian, information that has sent shock waves through the Coptic community.

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Enlightening Reads:

Huffington Post: Dalai Lama Tells His Facebook Friends That 'Religion Is No Longer Adequate'
On Monday, His Holiness the Dalai Lama took to Facebook to tell his four million friends that "religion is no longer adequate." The Tibetan religious leader was quoting from a book he published last year, entitled "Beyond Religion: Ethics for a Whole World," in which he argues that religion by itself may no longer provide a satisfactory solution to the ills of the world.

The Guardian: America's 'counter-jihadis' fan flames of hatred across Middle East
It is a disparate and often lonely brotherhood scattered across the US, fighting what it considers to be an existential threat: Islam. There are no headquarters, no organised structure, but members co-ordinate and communicate in pursuit of the common cause they call "counter-jihad". With different backgrounds and skills – religious and secular, tech and media-savvy – they wage personal campaigns through blogs, books and films to warn America of the grave peril it faces. Critics call them peddlers of anti-Muslim hate speech and try to ignore them but last week's mayhem in the Middle East thrust this fringe group into the spotlight.

Religion News Service: Professor Jacques Berlinerblau tells atheists: Stop whining!
Jacques Berlinerblau wastes no ink in his new book trying to flatter his fellow nonbelievers. “American atheist movements, though fancying themselves a lion, are more like the gimpy little zebra crossing the river full of crocs,” he writes in “How to Be Secular: A Call to Arms for Religious Freedom.” Ouch. “In terms of both political gains and popular appeal, nonbelievers in the United States have little to show. They are encircled by cunning, swarming [religious] Revivalist adversaries who know how to play the atheist card.”

New York Times: A Comedian and a Cardinal Open Up on Spirituality
The comedian Stephen Colbert and Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York bantered onstage Friday night before 3,000 cheering, stomping, chanting students at Fordham University, in what might have been the most successful Roman Catholic youth evangelization event since Pope John Paul II last appeared at World Youth Day.

Opinions of the Day:

CNN: My Take: It’s time for Islamophobic evangelicals to choose
Brian D. McLaren, author of "Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World," explains why "The greatest threat to evangelicalism is evangelicals who tolerate hate and who promote hate camouflaged as piety."

CNN: My Take: America’s attention deficit after Hurricane Isaac
Bill Horan, president of Operation Blessing International, calls on Americans to help those devastated by Hurricane Issac in southern Louisiana.

CNN: Anti-Islam video does not represent Coptic community
H.A. Hellyer, a nonresident fellow at the Brookings Institution and Cairo-based specialist on Arab affairs and U.S.-Muslim relations, says “we have to be cautious and ensure that we do not point fingers in the wrong direction” when discussing the anti-Muslim video behind recent protests and riots in the Middle East.

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Iraqi protesters burn Israeli and U.S. flags during a protest Thursday. The U.S. ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, and three others were killed during a protest outside the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, on Tuesday.

CNN: Jewish groups mad about initial reports on anti-Islam film
Jewish groups are upset that the initial reporting about the anti-Islam movie known as "Innocence of Muslims" depicted the film as being financed by a group of Jewish donors. The groups say the reporting was irresponsible and even dangerous. "We are greatly concerned that this false notion that an Israeli Jew and 100 Jewish backers were behind the film now has legs and is gathering speed around the world," Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League said Thursday. "In an age where conspiracy theories, especially ones of an anti-Semitic nature, explode on the Internet in a matter of minutes, it is crucial for those news organizations who initially reported on his identity to correct the record."

- A. Hawkins

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soundoff (99 Responses)
  1. ME II

    While I think Berlinerblau has some valid points about "New Atheists", I think his approach antagonizes those he claims he wants to help, Atheists.
    Especially if his only yardstick is "“...is there any law New Atheists can point to that has been their political output? "
    How many organisations can actually claim a direct influence on legislation? There are many laws and changes to laws that Atheists support, but as Berlinerblau himself indicates, Atheists don't have the numbers for such influence, by themselves.

    September 17, 2012 at 10:27 am |
  2. ME II

    The Dalai Lama makes a lot of sense.

    "Any religion-based answer to the problem of our neglect of inner values can never be universal, and so will be inadequate. What we need today is an approach to ethics which makes no recourse to religion and can be equally acceptable to those with faith and those without: a secular ethics," he wrote.

    September 17, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • Rogue

      Someone should tell him we already have such values ready to go. They are called "secular humanist" values and are easily thousands of times more "universal" and "moral" than anything any religion could ever produce in a billion years.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • ME II

      @Rogue,
      I don't know that he would disagree. Note that this particular quote didn't say "new ethics or ethical system", but is talking about a new "approach to ethics".

      September 17, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • Rogue

      Well, at least I won't feel like slapping him upside the head anymore. It's all good.

      September 18, 2012 at 12:12 am |
  3. Here's Your Sign . . .

    OK, so let's review . . .

    The U.S.A. was founded on freedom, not on any religion. Despite any personal tendencies, the founders ratified a Const!tution with its very first amendment that protects from religion meddling in the affairs of government. Pretty simple. Enforcing the law of the country has always been a challenge, but we are moving in the right direction every day. A good example of this is when, in 2005, the Supreme Court issued a decision concerning official display of the Ten Commandments in a Kentucky county courthouse. It recognized that the Ten Commandments is "an unmistakably religious statement dealing with religious obligations and with morality subject to religious sanction." The Court ultimately decided that the display was unconst!tutional, and was to be removed.

    September 17, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • truth be told

      truth ...
      caught in your own trap, chewed off three feet and still caught.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • truth be told

      Replied in wrong place but since i'm here i'll take a moment to say you are full of it. The Supreme Court is only as consistent as the appointees beliefs. A Romney court will blow liberal BS out of the water and return America to its Christian foundation.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Here's Your Sign . . .

      truth be told wrote something under the influence, then : " . .A Romney court will blow . ."

      LMAO. Too bad you never see that happen. Romney is sinking faster than Chris Christie in a hot tub. His hopes will soon be vaporized. Yep – time for the word on the taxes.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • truth be told

      Christie doesn't sink... fat floats.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Here's Your Sign . . .

      Tell that to his old hot tubs at the junk yard.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • truth be told

      Word is Romney just picked up the Jewish vote. Doesn't sound like sinking to me.

      September 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Here's Your Sign . . .

      Nah – lots of them will jump the rummy pirate ship when his tax info comes out. lol.

      September 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  4. captain america

    Do not have a mother, was born of liberty, if you ever served you should not have we are ashamed of you. There's your sign

    September 17, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • truth be trolled

      ca: "Do not have a mother, was born of liberty, if you ever served you should not have we are ashamed of you."

      Hmm... I think I smell a disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer".

      September 17, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • truth be told

      @truth...
      a skunk always smells its own hole first

      September 17, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • truth be trolled

      ca aka truth be told: "a skunk always smells its own hole first"

      Now see, that's why they let you go. Even an Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. has its standards.

      September 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • truth be told

      @truth...
      caught in your own trap. chewed off three limbs and still held fast

      September 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  5. justmetoo

    Stephen Colbert loves his religion and he is rich, successful, handsome, and famous!!!!

    Therefore, it is perfectly acceptable for a nobody like myself to be religious too.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/entertainment/celebrity/NATL-Colbert-to-NY-Fordham-Students-I-Love-my-church-169900616.html

    Plus, he provided the following reason why he remains Catholic:
    “The real reason I remain a Catholic is what the church gives me, which is love.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/nyregion/stephen-colbert-and-cardinal-cardinal-timothy-dolan-at-fordham-university.html?_r=0

    September 17, 2012 at 8:52 am |
  6. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Rather than engage captain america I'd like to say some positive things about Canada. It's good to have a friend to rein us in when we are acting strange in public, someone to give our keys to when we've had a few too many – that's just to say Canadians are steady when we aren't always, and good citizens of the world when we aren't always. I look forward to spending a sabbatical in Vancouver next year.

    September 17, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • justmetoo

      Someone told me that Vancouver is one of the most beautiful cities in the world.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • truth be trolled

      "justmetoo" – Vancouver is very nice city, indeed. I am from the U.S. Victoria is quite a lovely place, as are several cities on the east coast, such as Halifax and the smaller towns of Nova Scotia. I've not been in the middle of Canada anywhere.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • captain america

      As noted in previous post the opposition is not against canada but against those few ass holes that reside there that are trying to undermine our values and way of life. So as said to the other post and now to you to Tom Tom Fck you and the horse you rode in on. There's your sign.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • captain america

      As noted in previous post the opposition is not against canada but against those few ass holes that reside there that are trying to undermine our values and way of life. So as said to the other post and now to you to Tom Tom Fck you and the horse you rode in on. There's your sign.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      What comes natural between captain america and his horse is one of those embarrassing secrets America has tried to conceal.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:25 am |
  7. Captain Canuck

    Captain America, my star-spangled counterpart – how is it that you have strayed so far from the path of peace of diplomacy?
    Has our old nemesis, The Red Scourge, replaced you once noble soul with xenophobic vitriol?
    Have you gone mad with power and declared youself Regent of The American Empire?
    Forget the hate, Captain. Return to the old ways of peace and understanding.
    But down your hate filled placard! It is a poor metpahor that you have shamelessly plagiarized from one of your nation's least funny redneck comedians.
    Stand with me! Stars and striped side by side with the Maple Leaf!
    If you don't, I'll have to march down there and burn down the White House, like in 1812.

    September 17, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Three cheers for our hero Captain Canuck 🙂 🙂 🙂

      September 17, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • captain america

      canuk you are not the first terrorist to target the White House. The White House was not burned down, it was singed by vandals and then painted over to become the white house. God protected Washington that day and sent a storm that decimated the invaders and caused them to flee in terror. Your threat against America is not taken lightly.The opposition here is not against canada merely those few ass holes residing there that are trying to undermine our land. So fck you capt canuck and the horse you rode in on. There's your sign.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • truth be trolled

      Does CA not realize when he makes the cross with his arms when declaring "there's your sign" that this site is not transmitting the image to other posters?

      September 17, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Captain Canuck

      @Captain America
      I fear there may be no hope for you, Captain.
      Beyond you xenophobic threats, you are now engaging in revisionist history.
      While the walls of your buildings may have stood, the interiors were decimated – including the Library of Congress.
      You should count you lucky stars that we were polite enough not to raze any civilian buildings, despite your troops' habit of doing so to Canadian towns.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • captain america

      Now the story changes, sniveling cowards. God ran you out of Washington and you whine because we kicked your sorry towns to the curb. Americans are winners our enemies are losers simple historical Truth. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Captain Canuck

      Again with the revisionist history.
      God did not run us out of Washington.
      We strolled out casually of our own volition.
      The burning of your government building was in retaliation for your troops' atrocious conduct in slaughtering innocent civilians.
      Furthermore, given that the operation we're discussion put a stop to Madison's plans to annex Canada, I'd say it counts as a victory for us.
      I know you don't like to admit defeat, but you lost the War of 1812. And vietnam. And the Bay of Pigs. And Afghanistan.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • captain america

      Check your history ass hole. God put a whoopin on canadian butt with a massive storm that decimated the invaders and drove them from this land of freedom, faster than Andy Jackson beat them in New Orleans.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • captain america

      Review :1812 USA wins (final study found the ass hole/sq mile ratio too high to assimilate the north into what would become the greatest nation on the face of the earth) History has proven that prediction 100 % accurate.
      Vietnam police action peace with honor
      Bay of Pigs Cuban nationals not America at all

      September 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Sorry Capn Am – in 1814, the White House weas totally destroyed on the inside and the exterior was charred. It took 3 years before a president could move back in to the partially restored residence.

      Washington was raised. No 'God' protected the capital. The British (Canadians) stoked the fires to ensure they would still be burning the next day, and reports said that the smoke could be seen as far as Baltimore.

      Yes, there was a storm the day after that put out the fires... Spun off from a tornado.. because, you know. August in the mid east coast.... There are NEVER anything like tornados every happening there... /snark.

      The British left because they never meant to keep the city, They left in the boats they came in.

      September 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • captain america

      You had better review your history, the tornado killed more of the enemy than the battle and they literally ran away and never returned. There has never been a tornado recorded in Washington before or since.

      September 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert Rangerfield
      There was a tornado in DC a little over a week ago.
      There was another one on September 24, 2001.

      September 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • nope

      @ doc vestipuke
      nope

      September 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Oh – and the tornado in 1814 killed 1 person.

      September 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @nope
      From the Washington Post at 12:33 PM ET, 09/08/2012
      "Severe storms, confirmed tornado roll through D.C. area."

      September 17, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • nope

      @doc vesticanuk
      nope

      September 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @nope
      You should discuss your obsessive verbigeration with a medical professional.

      September 17, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  8. ...

    Captain America, truth be told, Atheism is not...; just sayin, nope=same person (do not trust them...retarded people)

    September 17, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • captain america

      Prove your allegations or take a hike. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:22 am |

    • captain america pauses to massage his scrotum...

      September 17, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • hal 9001

      Good morning, "...". The degree to which posts by "Captain America", "truth be told", "Atheism is not...", "just sayin", and "nope" indicate retardation is 99.7%. Although I cannot validate your assertion regarding these ent!ties representing the same person, there is a high degree of likelihood that your assertion is correct.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      AtheistSteve's PC
      Computations verified.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • nope

      @theorists
      nope

      September 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
  9. truth be told

    A great President George H W Bush has said an atheist is not a patriot and should not be a citizen of the USA. We are one nation under God. George was 100% spot on !

    September 17, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • nope

      NOPE

      September 17, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • nope

      @truth be told
      Yep and yep !

      September 17, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Mirosal

      ok, this was a guy who was the head spy (Director of the CIA) and an outright liar ... do we relaly need to go over his "no new taxes" fiasco again? And you trust a CIA director to tell.. the what? the truth?? You really are an idiot. Just another politician, which is the modern way of saying he's just a well-paid public liar.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • captain america

      And he has the goods on you you foreign, butt kissing, commie loser. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • truth be trolled

      I'm sorry, "truth be told", but your assertions regarding atheism and patriotism are falsehoods. The degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is: "TOTAL FAIL, DUDE".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 17, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • truth be trolled

      (as "hal9001" would say)

      September 17, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • truth be told

      Some slug forgot to change its alias. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

      September 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  10. AtheistSteve

    You know CA... I'd call you an idiot but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere you fucking dipshit.

    September 17, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • captain america

      Missed the reply thread did we you foreign pos. Try minding your own F'n business rather than trying to tell US how to live. We don't want or need you, just like the folks in your own country. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      I'm not telling anyone how to live. But you can do everyone a favor and kill yourself you useless fuck.

      September 17, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • captain america

      Bull sh it you are trying to export your atheist crap to a Christian nation that doesn't want it, you are no better than a rag head terrorist, a useless enemy to US and useless to your own country as well. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • Mirosal

      He didn't forget the "reply" button. He started a new thread. But simple things like that escape CA's grasp, for he has the intellectual capabilities of an aborted fetus.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Bullshit. The US has ten times as many atheists as we do and far better organized too. You're a dinosaur and soon will be extinct. I'm so happy I'm not a sorry piece of shit like you...in fact I don't think I've ever come across such a disagreeable sorry excuse for a person in my life. If there was a hell you would surely end up there...lucky for you there isn't..

      September 17, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • captain america

      We know about your foreign butt kissing ass hole, whatever they lie to you swear to. No wonder you chose mirrorsal we can see right through you. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      CA: You're the biggest loser in the USA.!!! You are as clueless as a rock!!! THE USA IS NOT ONE NATION UNDER YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND GOD AND YOU DO NOT REPRESENT THE USA AT ALL....MOST CITIZENS OF THE USA ARE INTELLIGENT-YOU ARE RETARDED!! I understand that an education past the 2nd grade is not something you have but you should at least try to comprehend that your country also has Atheists within it (approximately 20%) and that CNN is an INTERNATIONAL news site (when you purchase the rights to them, your useless opinion will matter..until then fuck off and die). Further, our dollar is above your dollar right now and when your country stops going in to other peoples countries, those other countries will stop having a say in your country but until that happens, we will continue to have our say-FREEDOM OF SPEECH is a good thing and something we take to heart. Now get off the internet-IT WASN'T CREATED by Theists...it was created by ATHEISTS....go thump your buybull elsewhere you useless waste of flesh!!

      September 17, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • captain america

      @steve
      Who the F do you think you are lecturing US on our own country. We buy and sell ass holes like you every day and you aren't sh it to US. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • Mirosal

      Even the President has said that we are NOT a "chrsitian nation". NOWHERE in our consti'tution does it mention anything about ANY deity or deities. The Founding Fathers all knew that religion was nothing but trouble, so they intentionally excluded any refernce to ANY "god". And before you spout off about "in god we trust" and "one nation under god", you need to know those terms were not used prior to 1954, when they were added as a purely political response to the threat exploited by Sen. Joe McCarthy and his ilk.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • captain america

      @steve & liar prefails
      Who the F do you think you are lecturing US on our own country. We buy and sell ass holes like you every day and you aren't sh it to US. There's your signs .

      September 17, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      CA: Who the fuck do you think you are coming on an international website and dictating who can and can't speak??? No matter how stupidity you spew we will remain here and we will continue to call you our for the delusional fucktard that you are!!!

      September 17, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • captain america

      Mirror you have already been identified as an undermining fifth columnist your words are nothing but foul gas and we know where that comes from. There's your sign.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • truth be trolled

      "captain america" : "trying to export your atheist crap to a Christian nation"

      good morning, o "wise" disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer".

      September 17, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • Mirosal

      CA when you draw a pension check for 21 years of honorable service in the U.S. military, then you can talk about how you think your views even matter. Until then, shut the fu'ck up. You deserve no rank, because you are so rank. Also, you could learn to spell my screen name properly. It's only 7 letters, but I know it might be a stretch for you. Have mommy help you when she gets over her hangover and climbs out of bed with that new "uncle" of yours she brought home from the bar last night.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • captain america

      An atheist drawing money from America is a welfare cheat. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 9:17 am |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    September 17, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is: "TOTAL FAIL, DUDE".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 17, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      September 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  12. nope the dope

    The Americans:
    In the early 18th century, the states of Ma.ssachusetts, Con.necticut, and New Jersey promoted a gen.ocide of their local Natives by imposing a "scalp bounty" on dea.d In.dians. "In 1703, Ma.ssachusetts paid 12 pounds for an In.dian scalp. By 1723 the price had soared to 100 pounds." Ward Churchill wrote: "Indeed, in many areas it [murd.ering In.dians] became an outright bu.siness." This practice of paying a bounty for In.dian scalps continued into the 19th century before the public put an end to the practice.

    In the 18th century, George Washington compared them to wolves, "beasts of prey" and called for their total dest.ruction. In 1814, Andrew Jackson "supervised the mutil.ation of 800 or more Creek In.dian cor.p.ses" that his troops had kil.led.

    Exter.mination of all of the surviving natives was ur.ged by the Governor of California officially in 1851. An editorial from the Rocky Mountain News in Denver, CO in 1863; and from the Santa Fe New Mex.ican in 1863 expres.sed the same sen.timent. In 1867, General William Tec.umseh Sherman said, "We must act with vin.dictive earn.estness against the Sioux [Lakotas] even to their ext.ermi.nation: men, women and children."

    In 1848, before the gold rush in California, that state's native population is estimated to have been 150,000. In 1870, after the gold rush, only about 31,000 were still alive. "Over 60 percent of these indi.genous people died from disease introduced by hundreds of thousands of so-called 49ers. However, local tribes were also syste.matically chased off their lands, marched to miss.ions and reservations, ensla.ved and bru.tally ma.ssacred." The price paid for a native scalp had dropped as low as $0.25. Native historian, Jack Forbes, wrote:

    "The bulk of California's Indians were conq.uered, and died, in innu.merable little episodes rather than in large camp.aigns. it serves to indict not a group of cruel leaders, or a few squ.ads of rough soldiers, but in effect, an entire people; for ...the conq.uest of the Native Californian was above all else a popular, ma.ss, enterprise."

    September 17, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • nope

      @nope...
      nope

      September 17, 2012 at 7:25 am |
    • snopes says

      nope to nope

      September 17, 2012 at 8:13 am |
  13. Robert Brown

    To my atheist acquaintances on the belief blog, Jesus said, “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:” John 6:44. So, it is not all your fault that you do not believe. Gods holy spirit just hasn’t drawn you yet. When he does you will know he is real.

    September 17, 2012 at 6:30 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Quoting a 2000 year old book over and over again to Atheists is rather pointless. If we do not believe in your god, we do not believe in your buybull and chances are most of us have read that horror story and have dismissed it for the fairy tale it truly is. Most of us were christards, we just grew up and left our imaginary friends with our childhood...you might wish to consider doing the same...an open-mind will do you good!

      September 17, 2012 at 6:50 am |
    • captain america

      Coming on an American news site and undercutting our American views and values is rather pointless. We have no use for you or your canadian bull sh it. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 7:25 am |
    • Mirosal

      Fine.. thn I will say it for her, as I am an American citizen ...
      Quoting a 2000 year old book over and over again to Atheists is rather pointless. If we do not believe in your god, we do not believe in your buybull and chances are most of us have read that horror story and have dismissed it for the fairy tale it truly is. Most of us were christards, we just grew up and left our imaginary friends with our childhood...you might wish to consider doing the same...an open-mind will do you good!
      So suck my left nut there C.A., and make the right one jealous.

      September 17, 2012 at 7:30 am |
    • captain america

      Along comes bully parrot #3. Ever think for yourself ass hole or do foreigners do all your thinking for you? There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • great intellect my ass

      Misspelling again mirrorsal? What a F'n moron ! Mensa my ass !

      September 17, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Sorry Robert but no cigar. Was raised in the faith and cursorily bought into all the hype. Then I grew up and applied critical thinking to all the nonsense I was led to believe. All of it fell apart under close scutiny as most make believe stuff usually does. Your God is a fantasy created by ignorant morons who didn't know any better. That's it...no happy ending...no fantasy afterlife...no final judgment. All we get is this one brief lifetime...get over it and stop wasting your time on fairytales.

      September 17, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • captain america

      And it should matter to US what some third world flunky did or didn't do in life. Take a hike loser we are one nation under God here keep your sh it in your own yard. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • Mirosal

      I think very well for myself and am quite eloquent should the need arise. Upon which topic would you like to engage in a diatribe?
      And as far a a simple typo goes, I've been at work for almost 10 hours now, what's YOUR excuse?

      September 17, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • captain america

      Translation for mirrorsals last post = " whine, whine, sob I'm an ass hole whine and moan." There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Actually captain asshole you're the only crybaby on this site. Time to change your diaper. Just be sure to wear it on your head fuckwad.

      September 17, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • captain america

      The only rag heads here are the three bullies trying to infect America with lies. Take a hike loser. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • nope

      ca: NOPE

      September 17, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      CA: Basic reading comprehension is taught in 1st grade loser!!! He said diaper not rag!!! The diaper on your head is meant to catch the shit you constantly spew!!

      September 17, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Ohhh...are we bullying you? Do you fell threatened? Your vitriol and hatred speaks volumes about your sorry existence. Must just twist your panties into knots knowing you can't do anything to shut us up. Too bad sucker...looks like your great American value of free speech is your own worst enemy. Live with that fucker....

      September 17, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • captain america

      @feeb and liar prefails
      We do not need your undermining communist terrorist bull sh it and your own country obviously doesn't want it either. We real Americans know your evil threats and are not intimidated by you. We will graciously tolerate your crap for a season then crush you with shock and awe. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • captain america

      Bully speaks to your disgusting character, we are in no fear of it, we bomb bullies. There's your sign

      September 17, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Who is this "WE" you keep referring to CA? You're hopelessly alone in your postings of bigotry and hatred. I made one comment directed to Robert but you just had to stick your ugly nose in. So since then every one of my posts has been directed at you and you alone. You're a powerless coward and I'm letting everyone see that. Eat shit and die motherfucker.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • captain america

      My balls still hurt from the last time you kicked me! Ease up, dude! There's your sign.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Getting back to Robert's post, it's hard when you take that position to avoid double-predestination. If I am never chosen (drawn?), the default is hell.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • captain america

      You can always tell an atheist loser because they will steal an alias when they know they are exposed. Now there's your real sign.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:34 am |
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