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Newly revealed Coptic fragment has Jesus making reference to 'my wife'
September 18th, 2012
03:28 PM ET

Newly revealed Coptic fragment has Jesus making reference to 'my wife'

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - A newly revealed, centuries-old papyrus fragment suggests that some early Christians might have believed Jesus was married. The fragment, written in Coptic, a language used by Egyptian Christians, says in part, "Jesus said to them, 'My wife ..."

Harvard Divinity School Professor Karen King announced the findings of the 1 1/2- by 3-inch honey-colored fragment on Tuesday in Rome at the International Association for Coptic Studies.

King has been quick to add this discovered text "does not, however, provide evidence that the historical Jesus was married," she wrote in a draft of her analysis of the fragment set to appear in the January edition of Harvard Theological Review. The divinity school has posted a draft of King's article to which AnneMarie Luijendijk, an associate professor of religion at Princeton University, contributed.

"This fragment, this new piece of papyrus evidence, does not prove that (Jesus) was married, nor does it prove that he was not married. The earliest reliable historical tradition is completely silent on that. So we're in the same position we were before it was found. We don't know if he was married or not," King said in a conference call with reporters.

"What I'm really quick to say is to cut off people who would say this is proof that Jesus was married because historically speaking, it's much too late to constitute historical evidence," she continued. "I'm not saying he was, I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm saying this doesn't help us with that question," she continued.

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In the accounts of Jesus' life in the Bible, there is no mention of his marital status, while the accounts do mention Jesus' mother, father and siblings. The four Gospels - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - tell the story of Jesus' birth and early childhood then skip to his short, three-year ministry before detailing his death and resurrection.

The idea that Jesus was married is not a new one.

In other writings about the life of Jesus from antiquity suggest Jesus may have been married to Mary Magdalene, a disciple who was close to Jesus. Author Dan Brown also used the idea of Jesus being married as a jumping off point for the fictional novel "The Da Vinci Code." King dismissed that notion in her call with reporters.

“There’s no indication we have that Jesus was married,” said Darrell Bock, a senior research professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary. “One could say the text is silent on Jesus’ marital status is because there was nothing to say.”

Initial dating for the honey-colored fragment by the team of scholars puts the papyrus piece coming out of the middle of the second century.

King is referring to the fragment as the "The Gospel of Jesus' Wife" or "GosJesWife" as a short hand for reference, and noting that the abbreviation does not mean this scrap has the same historical weight as the canonical Gospels.

Biblical scholars often use the term gospel to refer to a genre of ancient writings featuring dialogue between Jesus and his disciples, King notes in her paper. The Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Judas are just a few of the ancient accounts about the life of Jesus that Christians do not consider canonical.

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At the conference, King said another professor suggested the fragment could have come from the text of a homily, or sermon, where the writer was using this phrase as a literary device. She told reporters that while she will consider that as a possibility, the fragment is “probably a gospel. Probably from the second century and most close to the Gospels of Mary, Thomas and Philip.”

Bock agreed with the notion that the text fragment shared similarities with those gospels, called the Gnostic Gospels, which were the writings of an early outlier sect of Christians. He said the text could be referring to a "gnostic rite of marriage that is a picture of the church and Jesus, not a real wife."

But he added, "it’s a small text with very little context. We don’t know what’s wrapped around it to know what it’s saying.”

Bock said it’s likely to be a gnostic text if it proves to be authentic. “The whole text needs vetting. She’s doing the right thing to release it and let scholars take a look at,” he said, adding “it’s a little bit like trying to analyze the game in the first quarter.”

“It’s a historical curiosity but doesn’t really tell us who Jesus was,” Bock said. “It’s one small speck of a text in a mountain of texts of about Jesus.”

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The owner of the fragment has been identified by King as a private collector who has asked to stay anonymous. The owner brought the fragment to Harvard have King examine it in December 2011.

King then brought it to the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University. Roger Bagnall, the institute's director and an expert on papyrus, examined it and determined it to be authentic, Bangall confirmed to CNN.

Ariel Shisha-Halevy, professor of linguistics at Hebrew University, Jerusalem, who was asked to examine the authenticity, according to the draft of the article, told King via e-mail, “I believe - on the basis of language and grammar - the text is authentic. That is to say, all its grammatical ‘noteworthy’ features, separately or conjointly, do not warrant condemning it as forgery.”

Little is known about the origin of the text. Because both sides of the fragment have writing on them, King said it could have come out of a book rather than a scroll.

"Just like most of the earliest papyri of the New Testament and other literary and documentary papyri, a fragment this damaged could have come from an ancient garbage heap," the King says building on prior research by Luijendijk.

King writes "the importance of the 'Gospel of Jesus’ Wife' lies in supplying a new voice within the diverse chorus of early Christian traditions about Jesus that documents that some Christians depicted Jesus as married."

The Smithsonian Channel also announced Monday that it will air a special on King's findings on September 30.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (4,539 Responses)
  1. HM8432

    If Jesus was married, so what? In that day, any respectable Jewish guy who was 30 was expected to be married. It obviously did not take away from His message of following God's, peace and loving your enemies. On the other hand, the fact that the Coptic manuscript is dated several hundred years after his resurrection, and neatly fragmented with the writing cut-off in the 'right' place, suggests that the message most likely would have been a heretical Gnostic scripture, something that was fairly common at the time.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

      Gknow it all gnostics are famous for cutting in line.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

      And gnot wearing the proper attire.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

      They haven't realized it yet, but they are just the flip side of the coin shared with the gagnostics.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • creation002

      its no use even trying to talk to non believers its a waste of time they will find any reason they can not to believe in god i my self have been to the afterlife it does exist and jesus will come again to this world the next time he comes it will be for wrath and judgement the things your seeing in the middle east now is just the start of things to come in the eternal there is no such thing as time like the government says and cnn is used by the devil to turn alot of people away but its just the great deciever ive seen the afterlife and its the most peacefull place there is to all christians never give up because the god you believe in he is very real and in the end wisdom and knowledge will get better your minds will be open to the things unseen only few will find life others will not find it we are living in the last days now once the believers disappear and leave this earth non believers will make all kinds of storys up about what happened thell say so many things some will believe aliens took us others will say nuclear radition killed of certain blood types and it just keeps going on but the truth is will be gone cause of god himself itll come like a thief in the night we will dissapear in the blink of an eye and people wont even know until they see were gone a thief breaks into a house when someone aint home it aint until you get home that you relize your house is broken into the same in the end itll come like a thief in the night and people wont relize it at all i dont even waste my time trying to convince non believers of anything i wont even respond to people that wanna argue because i know the truth and it will set you free i dont care what people think why should i when ive seen the truth and been there peoples petty little problems and disbelief mean nothing to me anyone killing in the name of god is not of god at all religion is man made jesus god is above all religion he wants only peace anyone not creating peace calling themselves christian is not a christian theres more to it then believing but its living it also god will reaveal him self when all stop believing there will be a time most all the world will stop believing in him and the bible tells you that it also god will come at an hour you think not meaning when everone turns away and least expects it then it will happen i know ive seen the afterlife and the truth of god i do not fear whats next after this life because i know without a doubt for those who have proof no proof is neccary for those who dont have proof no proof is possible there minds are so closed they wont listen anyway even when the see the truth they shall not believe minds are like parachutes they only work when there open well god bless take care and to anyone wanting to argue i wont respond back its worthless and a waste of time god bless all and have a great day

      September 19, 2012 at 10:12 am |
  2. Bob Lewis

    They missed some of the fine print before the word "wife" that specified, "New Jersey."

    September 19, 2012 at 9:34 am |
  3. pentax

    And yet no Christian is burning embassies..They have even called him gay before and yet no one lifted a stone in protest.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • LOL

      Apparently mass murderous protests, beheadings, bullet spraying executions, and other creative killings make people a bit scared to say anything about Mohammad, so they have to take their anger out on passive Christians instead.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:33 am |
    • Bob Lewis

      Yes, Christians today are a little more sophisticated in expressing their hatred. Yet, the bloody history of Christianity makes today's Muslims look like rank amateurs.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • LOL

      I'm sure you meant to say closet atheists who obviously wouldn't listen to Jesus words to love their enemies.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • asdf

      They're too busy protesting at abortion clinics.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:42 am |
    • Just_thinking

      Somebody might says that Jesus was I child molester, and I respect their opinion. But as His followers are not burning embassies and killing innocent people, I will not give them too much credit.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Paul

      I can't agree with here. I am Christian so I am not against you to start with. Christians had killed millions in the name of God. The Catholic Church bless Armies before or during wars. Germans killed million of Jews because of their believes and etc. So every single religion is Screwed up. Religions are made to divide humanity.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:47 am |
  4. HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

    Talk about teenage mutant mutations!..........'Luk 13:18-19 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.'.....Don't say Jesus never threw one at the evolutionists!

    September 19, 2012 at 9:29 am |
  5. Reader

    Christians are refered to as the bride of Christ many times in the Bible. Old news!

    September 19, 2012 at 9:26 am |
  6. Azhure

    Fake Fake Fake fake.... The Media They just like to brain wash you.. I AM LAUGHING MY A$$ OUT OF HERE SO FAKE.. THNX MEDIA

    September 19, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Doddie

      May I ask what reasons lead you to declare it an obvious fake?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • Evenstar13

      "But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." Luke 11:28

      September 19, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • richunix

      Apparently your easly brainwashed by the writtings in the "Bible"....

      September 19, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Turth

      God is fake

      September 19, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  7. writingmomma

    True believers won't let this undermine their faith, because they know the word of God. Remember, Christ did have a bride! His bride was the church. Oh yes, he is also married to the "backslider." So, it's not too late for you unbelievers to come on board. Amen!!!!

    September 19, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • Eric G

      LOL Please define "True Believers".

      Weak and pathetic post.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • Turth

      True believers prefer Harry Potter !

      September 19, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • joels2000

      true believer = loyalist to the christian doctrine and to the christian church who's only interest is in the preservation of
      the religious hierarchy.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  8. icanread2

    Does it really matter that much if Jesus was married or not?
    #1.Marriage is something holy and sacred, so it doesn't take away from Jesus' holiness if he was married.
    #2.Christians believe that Jesus is God in human form. Key word-HUMAN. Jesus did everything that humans do, besides sin (although he was tempted just like all humans are tempted.)
    #3.What separated Jesus from being only human, was that he was also God and therefore there was more to him than your "average human" (meaning he also had divine abilities).
    #4. So if Jesus was in a holy and sacred marriage, the only thing that would be changed in terms of Christianity, is that maybe the Vatican would have to consider allowing priests to marry (which many would argue should be considered anyway!)

    September 19, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • J R Smith

      I suspect it means more for church history and the powers that be in the church since the Dark Ages than for the core truths of Christianity as they existed before the time of Constantine. .

      September 19, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • john in costa rica

      as a student of history and topic, it is almost impossible to believe a rabbi the age of jesus would not be married, it is too obvious that the church wanted to diminish the role and power women had until finally releasing the truth about mary magdeline, jesus' probable wife, they needed to create a divine son of god to give the church power especially after the council of nicea

      September 19, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • Eric Ramirez

      The belief that Jesus is God is not totally correct. Read for instance in John 10:25- Jesus answered them: “I told YOU, and yet YOU do not believe. The works that I am doing in the name of my Father, these bear witness about me. Clearly you can read that Jesus is referring to his father, Jehovah God. So if he is referring to him, how can he be him??

      September 19, 2012 at 9:46 am |
  9. Bill

    No one makes fun of our faith because it is ours, therefore the true faith. We are 1.5 billion strong, the other 5 billion or so think other wise. There is a remedy for peace and that is for God's booming voice heard around the word saying something. No burning bushes, holy spirits and all other man made stories.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • sam stone

      Everyone thinks their faith is the true faith

      September 19, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • LOL

      Including you, Sam.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Turth

      Pastafarian!

      September 19, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  10. Barbara Sturgeon

    And the Word became Flesh......doesn't matter if Yeshua married or not back then. That text could go on to say.....Jesus said...My Wife is the Church, not a building, but those who believe in me, Love God and one another. If Yeshua married, so what? If he didn't, so what? Personally, I hope he did get to experience the love and companionship that comes with marriage. I love Him as He is and for the values he shared and the way He lived His life and the way He loves.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • WASP

      @bar: or it could go on to say "my wife is...............josie, jane, mary, elizabeth, and some chick i just woke up beside from a horrible bender." lmfao

      September 19, 2012 at 9:19 am |
  11. Atheist Hunter

    Come on people! Just one FACT that debunks the BIBLE. HELLO??? ANY ATHEISTS OUT THERE?

    September 19, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      You mean you guys have NOTHING? You sit here and argue all day and you have NOTHING?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • That guy

      How about one that proves it? And while you're at it, prove santa claus, and fairies too 🙂 You can't disprove something that isn't real and is completely open to interpretation.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      Sure, physics, history, the fact that people have differing morals, evolution, age of the earth/universe, the list goes on.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • Eric G

      "Proof"?
      Is that too complicated? How about "Evidence"?

      Please provide any verifiable evidence that your god exists. Any verifiable evidence?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      And just to clarify:
      Physics because it doesn't allow miracles,
      History doesn't allow Eden, world floods, etc.
      Different morals , there is no absolute morals
      Evolution, self explanatory
      Age of, not 6-10 thousand years.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Primewonk

      The earth was not created in the beginning. The earth didn't form until 9,000,000,000 years after the singularity began expanding. When your god gets the very first verse of the very first chapter of the very first book wrong, it does not bode well for the rest of the book.

      Also, land vegetation did not form before the sun formed. Liquid water did not exist on the earth before the sun formed.

      Birds did not appear before terrestrial animals.

      There was no global flood.

      2.5 million Jews did not escape from Egypt and then wander 40 years in the desert.

      All humans did not descend from one breeding pair.

      Bats are not birds.

      pi is not 3.0

      Rabbits do not chew their cud.

      Grasshoppers don't have 4 legs.

      Sorry.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • That guy

      To the best:
      Physics also doesn't allow the world flood, it ignores both the law of mass conservation and conservation of energy.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • That guy

      To primewonk:
      and the earth is not the center of the universe 🙂

      September 19, 2012 at 9:42 am |
    • Charles

      JESUS IS AND WILL REMAIN LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS ALSO AT THE NAME JESUS EVERY KNEES MUST BOW NOW AND FOREVER REGARDLESS OF ANY PRESENT OR FUTURE FINDINGS.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:42 am |
    • That guy

      lol really, that's all you have... man you guys are mindless drones.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • truth be trolled

      You have to look at the Bible like spam. When you look at what your subscription spam service puts in your spam folder, do you have facts to say in all certainty that it is spam? Probably not. But you know and I know what spam is when we see it. And if you saw a lot of non-spam going into your spam folder, you would stop paying for that subscription service and switch to a different program since it is failing in its job. So I for one, know religion and the bible as spam, regardless of my outlook on a deity. You don't need facts to come to an assessment of things that other people cannot prove – such as religion. But rather, I have had the religious and general education to see where it came from – fable; who affected it over the centuries: politicians, lobbyists, salesmen; and who laps it up: weak-minded, uneducated suckers such as yourself.

      And I should add, that in addition to being spam, the bible is harmful for society, because it causes the Xtian to feel happy about speaking with a forked tongue on just about any subject.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • Turth

      The only true bible is Harry Potter

      September 19, 2012 at 10:03 am |
  12. ROMNEY 2012: OBOZO HATES AMERICA AND FREEDOM

    This is a fake created by the democrats to attempt to undermine the faith of the righteous republicans! It won't mean a thing! The faith of those who are righteous will persevere through the temptations and trials given to us by the vile Obama worshipers.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • greeneyedirishlass

      Really? Conspiracy theorist much? Your reasoning is absolutely ridiculous. Go climb back under your rock.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • WOW

      Clearly a Christian ROMNEY 2012. Read your own text (like the rest of us) and tell me who is the Vile one. Take your anger and relax. I am no less free today than I was 4 years ago. I own guns (because I enjoy them) and I own the exact same number today as 4 years ago. Nobody from the White House came and took them away. Encouraging rights for others DOES NOT TAKE THEM AWAY FROM YOU. See how I did this without being VILE.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • truth be trolled

      Poor Rumney Captain Crunch. Did he sit in white watery 1% milk too long??

      And so kids, they couldn't put Rumney Captain Crunch back together again. . .

      September 19, 2012 at 9:37 am |
  13. Joseph Zacharia

    What I don't understand is that its a scrap of ancient papyrus written in ancient Egyptian Coptic and the photo legend explains it is original. Why are the words in Anglican and not ancient Hebrew or Arabic.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • J R Smith

      From what I remember from my courses in Biblical Hebrew and Greek, they appear to be in the capital forms of Greek letters, as are many other Christian texts from that time. I have not had time to look closely enough to see if I recognize any of the words in the text or if they are in a Coptic version that I do not recognize.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:22 am |
  14. tomboyz

    I think your all wrong....MAN created money and thats really all it comes down to. Period

    September 19, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Evenstar13

      And if you were to have all the money in the world, would you be able to purchase one minute more of life? And if so, from whom would you make your purchase?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • WASP

      @ever: answers to question
      1) yes you could buy years not minutes.
      2) from some of the most brilliant minds in the world.

      3) why should you care , you have your god to go kiss up to when you die................or atleast you hope it's that one. lmfao

      September 19, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Evenstar13

      Wasp:
      And just how would you go about pruchasing another year of life...hmmm?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:29 am |
  15. Atheist Hunter

    Give me one atheist who has a fact the debunks the bible. Just one! Present your invisible facts. Prove them like you expect me to prove God. WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS PEOPLE??? Maybe they are just sky fairies in your mind.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I agree. Give me one atheist, just one, who can debunk the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • Andrew

      Bible = Fiction

      I am surprised the Catholic Church let this one slip through,

      September 19, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Rational Libertarian..........why not you...you skeered???...or just like the others clueless?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Atheist Hunter
      Any story that uses magic as a central plot device is fictional.
      Supernatural is a null word.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • LOL

      Yeah, after all, we all know how many ancient books were written in support of the atheists' God, the FSM!

      September 19, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Grand Poobah

      I don't have any claims I need to prove, I simply reject your claim because it is nonsense.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • furianxo

      @Doc Vestiblue.... magic? You cannot comprehend the beginning of time, the beginning of the universe, what was before the universe, or if it was always here, and you are talking about magic? Give me a break. You know nothing.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Here I forgot I was talking to atheist let me help you out. ...... THEN TRY AGAIN.
      fact [ fakt ] something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened
      truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something
      piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth

      September 19, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • Chris

      What proof do you need? It's called common sense. You need to stop trolling the comments section and get a life. Why do you care what some random internet man doesn't believe in what you believe in?

      Not all of us are as moronic as you...

      September 19, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • ernesto castillo

      where should we start? If you studied any science in elementary school (i may be stretching my assumptions), you would know certain facts about the laws of nature:

      people don't walk on water
      people don't rise from the dead
      snakes don't talk
      virgins don't give birth (unless you claim in vitro fertilization was perfected in the iron age)
      water doesn't magically turn into wine

      Is that enough for you to chew on? or should we begin to discuss all of the contradictions in your inerrant book.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Chris........you all get on here and boast of your knowledge, you mock Jesus and God, so let's see you facts. You all got the mouth, where's the facts to back it up. Isn't that what you demand from us. I guess you have a life reading my trolling. WOW! I care cause they trample my rights to freedom of speech and religion. Why do you care?

      Not all of us are as moronic as you...

      September 19, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      ernesto castillo.........I said facts, that's your opinion. If God wants them to they can. where are your facts that the bible is not prophetically accurate?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • It's not hate of God

      You make the assertion: "god exists" and then say "prove me wrong." That's not how assertions work. Let me show you:

      "Evolution is real" Proof:
      http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-recent-signs-evolution-is-real.php

      September 19, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Furianxno
      The difference between you and I is that I'm willing to say "I don't know", whereas you default to "goddidit" for anything you don't understand.
      Once you have accepted a proposition on faith, you cannot thereafter judge that proposition with reason and logic.
      Many things are unknown, but nothing is ultimately unkowable.
      The God hypothesis is a non-starter as it simply put the origin question into a loop of infinite regression – if God created the Universe, what created God? And what created God's creator .... so on, ad inifinitum.
      As for Magic – see ernesto's list for a starter.

      Do you believe in the vocalizing incendiary foliage that Moses met, or the rocks that are supposed to scream if people can't praise Jesus? How about unicorns (Isaiah 34:7), half man half goat beasts (Isaiah 13:21 and 34:14), flaming snakes (Numbers 21:6), seven headed dragons (Revelation 12:3) and serpents that can kill just by looking at you (Jeremiah 8:17)?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:33 am |
    • Eric G

      Attempting to shift the burden of proof inherent in your claim of the existence of your god is intellectually dishonest. That is, unless you do not understand logic, which makes your attempt an argument from ignorance.

      In the interest of accuracy, please let us all know from which position you base your argument. Ignorance or Dishonesty?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Atheist Hunter
      “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things be fulfilled.”
      – Matthew 24:34

      The biblical definition of a generation can be found in Psalm 90.
      "The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away."
      26 Psalms 90:10
      This is confirmed in the Gospel of Matthew.
      "Therefore all the generations from Abraham down to David are 14 generations; and from David down to the Babylonian captivity are 14 generations; and from the Babylonian captivity down to messiah, are 14 generations."
      – Matthew 1:17
      Matthew is using the Psalm 90 definitions of Generation in order to tell a specific chronological story.
      Even we we put aside that argument, there is further scripture indicating that the Second Coming was expected shortly after Christ's zombification.
      “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
      —1 John 2:18

      We're all still waiting for His return, but he hasn't shown up yet.
      But tell you what – if an entomologist finds the locust from Revelation that wears armor and a tiny little crown and has the face of a man, the hair of a woman, the mouth of a lion and the tail of a scorpion, I'll convert.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • WOW

      Your rights are being trampled...by who? did someone tell you that you can't worship however you want? It's when people stop talking to God and start talking for God that politics gets involved. Believe what you want...do not put your beliefs into governing. EVER. EVER EVER! You can't make people believe your nonsense...stop trying

      September 19, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • iwillia

      Ernesto, I would say that you need to brush up on your science. All of these "Laws" of nature that you are quoting are in fact not laws at all, the physical pricipals that they rely on are true, unless thaer is what would be referred to as "outside influence", such as God. My child can't walk on water, unless I hold her up. People don't rise from the dead, unless someone revives them... Learn your science.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • Dionysus

      @Atheist Hunter
      Quit yelling and pay attention. First read the Theogony, in particular the bits about me written long before your Jesus came along. The characteristics attributed to christ were stolen from stories about ME, is that not proof enough that your boy was compiled from myths of earlier Gods? As I have said before your guy was a total screw up, even the sheepies that supposedly follow his teachings, love, charity and poverty, these not the standard of christianity, are they?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • WASP

      @ah: you want facts that debunk god, correct?

      ok simple enough.
      1) your bible is a stack of lies invented by humans, by that being stated everything in your bible is now irrelevent seeing it's authinticity is now in question. without the bible for a concept of god, he doesn't exsist.
      2) cave paintings in europe date back to 30,000 years ago, thus the biblical understanding of god making humans in their present form is impossible.
      3) knowing the speed of light is the universal constant, we can judge age of universe from how long it took those beams of light to reach our planet.
      Equation Number One: λν = c
      Equation Number Two: E = hν

      September 19, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Dan

      How do you prove that something does not exist? Where is your "proof" that it does. You have faith not proof. Your faith is, I'm sure, proof enough for you. But your faith is not everyone's, or even anyone else's, faith. Work on proving your faith not disproving other's.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • ernesto castillo

      Hey Iwillia,

      Thanks for clarifying the laws of nature for everyone. It all makes so much more sense now. Water can turn into wine if someone empties the pitcher of water and replaces it with wine. That must be what Jesus did!

      September 19, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  16. HAVE MUD WILL TRAVEL

    Exactly, and a well informed argument for revelation.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:07 am |
  17. Evenstar13

    "For we walk by faith, not by sight" Corinthians 5:7
    "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful" Psalms 1:1
    "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation" 2 Peter 3:3-4
    "How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit." Jude 1:18-19
    "Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you." Acts 13:41
    "Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth." Isaiah 28:22
    "How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?" Proverbs 1:22
    "Also now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my record is on high. My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God." Job 16:19-20

    September 19, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • WASP

      @EVER:
      1) try making your point without bouncing through the bible to piece together what YOU want it to say; in other words, the verses you used try using them in correct context with the rest of the coesiding verses.
      2) using the bible to prove the bible is correct is CIRCULAR LOGIC; it's an epic fail dude.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • Eric G

      "You are the caretaker now, Mr. Torrence. You have always been the caretaker. I should know. I have always been here."

      September 19, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • Turth

      Funny stuff. Good bathroom reading material

      September 19, 2012 at 10:06 am |
  18. dunbar13

    They are after Jesus personal life.It doesn't matter if Jesus was married or if he even existed.
    This is not the point.

    Jesus is the WORD,the message that will survive until the last human walk on earth.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • It's not hate of God

      Given all the wars caused in the name of religion, I can certainly see how the use of Jesus would bring about the last human.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:38 am |
  19. irock

    ut oh, jesus odviously was anti gay.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Jesus never mentioned anything about being gay.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:08 am |
  20. deadlyserious

    I absolutely love that Christian scholars are saying that this text isn't important because it wasn't written contemporary to the life of Jesus.

    Neither are the gospels, geniuses.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • Me

      Wrong. Matthew and John were written by men who were with Jesus for three years. They would certainly know if he was married. Luke did extensive research for his books - Luke and Acts - and lived within the same time period Jesus lived. Mark heard the stories firsthand from Peter and the other disciples, who again, lived with Jesus. Peter, John, James & Jude (both Jesus' brothers) were all with Jesus. None mention a wife, ever. Paul also lived in the same time as Jesus. His conversion happened around AD 38, just a few years after Jesus was crucified. Again, Paul never mentions anything about Jesus being married. The Gnostic gospels were not written by eyewitnesses or even by people who knew someone who knew Jesus. That's why they were not canonized.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Armchair Scholar

      It is because this text is much newer than canonical ones, and because it comes from a well known heretical Gnostic sect that was prevalent in Egypt where the text was found. This text is no different from texts like the Nag Hammadi texts.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • Chris

      Welcome to religion. You pick and choose what you want to follow and ignore or disregard the rest.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • LOL

      How is that different from what atheists do with moality?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • deadlyserious

      Me:

      The gospels were authored by men who clearly didn't see Jesus first-hand. And they definitely were not written by the men they are named for.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • LOL

      Deadly, you made the claim. Now prove it.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • WASP

      @me: and you would know the books were written by those men walking with jesus, how preytail?
      did jesus tell you directly or did you read that in your bible? or could it have been your mother/father/preacher TAUGHT you that?

      the bible is just a book assembled by a pagan emperor to rule an empire.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:01 am |
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