September 19th, 2012
06:05 PM ET

5 questions and answers about Jesus' 'wife'

By Eric Marrapodi, Co-Editor CNN's Belief Blog
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(CNN) - Since the news broke Tuesday about a scrap of papyrus containing the line in Coptic, "Jesus said, 'My wife..' " questions have rocketed across the world about what this means.

We put many of the big questions to leading scholars, pastors and people in the pews to find the answers.

1. Why is this just surfacing now?

The papyrus fragment is thought by Harvard Divinity School Professor Karen King to be from the 4th century but could be a copy of an early gospel from the 2nd century. King said a dealer, who wishes to remain anonymous, brought the fragment to her to be translated and analyzed in 2011. The New York Times reported the dealer hopes to give the fragment to Harvard if they buy a large portion of his collection.

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On Tuesday, King presented her findings on the fragment to a conference on Coptic texts held in Rome once every four years.

In some ways, texts like this are not uncommon.

Elaine Pagels, a professor from Princeton University who is an expert on gnostic writings such as this one, noted to CNN, "You can find boxes filled with Coptic fragments." But what makes this one significant is for the first time, it explicitly has Jesus referring to "my wife."

King posits it may have come from a complete gospel she and her research partners have dubbed "the Gospel of Jesus' Wife." If that were true, Pagels said "that could make the fragment much more valuable if it were part of a gospel, but we don’t know that.”

2. How do they know this isn't a fake?

Authenticating documents is equal parts art and science. What researchers are trying to rule out is if this is a modern forgery. To do that, they look at a variety of aspects, including the age of the paper, the chemical composition of the ink and text itself. The authentication won't confirm whether the text is true but only whether the physical item is true to the time frame researchers think it is.

The document was examined by the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University. Roger Bagnall, the institute's director and an expert on papyrus, examined it and determined it to be authentic, he confirmed to CNN. Ariel Shisha-Halevy, professor of linguistics at Hebrew University, Jerusalem, was asked to examine the authenticity, according to King. Shisha-Halevy said that based on the language and grammar, it was authentic.

Chemical tests on the ink are pending, King noted in a draft of her work set to be published in January in a peer reviewed journal.

Some experts in the field, including Pagels, suggest the fragment contains too little to be faked, suggesting that a forger would have included much more in the document to try and raise the value.

“We have to have more information about the fragment," said Douglas A. Campbell, an associate professor of New Testament at Duke Divinity School. He points to recent history when discoveries turned out to be fakes. “The academic community has been badly burned,” he said, adding that there is still much to be learned about the provenance of the document, "the history of where it came from and how they got it.”

“The anonymous donor thing is very problematic,” he said.

3. Does this prove Jesus was really married?

Short answer: No.

King herself was quick to point out in interviews that this piece of papyrus does not prove that Jesus was married. "This fragment, this new piece of papyrus evidence, does not prove that (Jesus) was married, nor does it prove that he was not married. The earliest reliable historical tradition is completely silent on that. So we're in the same position we were before it was found. We don't know if he was married or not," King said in a conference call with reporters.

The early consensus of other scholars we spoke to about this agree this document does not prove Jesus was married.

"Let's not neglect the fact this was written 300 years after Jesus' death," Hellen Mardaga, an assistant professor of New Testament at The Catholic University of America, told CNN. Mardaga says "the text may be real and not a forgery, but that doesn’t mean it belongs in with the Gospels.”

There is nothing in the Gospel accounts in the Bible and the earliest Christian tradition that speaks to Jesus being married.

"This is an aberration; this is something totally outside of any biblical tradition," said Jerry Pattengale, the executive director of the Green Scholars Initiative, which helps oversee one of the largest private collections of biblical antiquities.

"We know that tradition, or anything passed down, has a huge story to tell and there is a lot that can be learned from tradition that is linked to history. There is just no solid tradition for Jesus being married, so this is certainly an aberration and an important find," he said.

4. Would Jesus being married change Christianity?

Yes. Probably. But we'll never know for sure (see above).

Without getting too into the weeds theologically, it raises lots of interesting questions about how Jesus lived on Earth and what is not known about his life. For married couples, it also adds a healthy doses of mirth to the idea of being married to someone fully human and fully God, as the Christian creeds say Jesus was.

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"Had Jesus had a wife, I have no doubt he would would have treated her with the same dignity, respect and affection with which he treated his female disciples like Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany and Martha," Christian author Rachel Held Evans said when we asked her about this.

"Though I confess I think it would be a little unfair for a woman to be married to God incarnate. Kinda makes it tough to win an argument," she joked. "On the plus side, he turns water into wine ... which would be nice!"

5. So can Catholic priests get married now ?

This discovery brought the issue of Catholic clergy and celibacy to the forefront and got a lot of people wondering whether this would prompt the church to shift on this issue.

“At the time this (fragment) was written, we had a married clergy," pointed out Rev. Tom Reese, a senior fellow at Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University.

Reese said this discovery won't change Catholic teaching on the marital status of Catholic clergy.
"It has nothing to do with whether we have a married clergy or not. For the first thousand years, we had a married clergy. For the last thousand years, we’ve had a celibate clergy."

The celibacy requirement is based on church law, not doctrine, which is the core, unchanging beliefs of the faith. "The church can change this rule whenever it decides to change the law," he said.

For Reese, the Coptic papyrus fragment does not hold great weight for the future of the Catholic clergy.

"This is a nice academic footnote, but beyond that, it is not going to be all that important," he said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (1,438 Responses)
  1. karima

    Jesus wife is refering to his church, if he wanted a wife he didn't need one from this planet tha'ts for sure, and would've said so, He came with a very specific purpose and that was not to get married but to save us, He is God and can do whatever He pleases without our consent or permission, so for those who are clueless, the marriage of the Lamb is about Christ and His church, but I guess only a few people really get it....people should read more the Bible all the answers are there.

    September 19, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Leroy

      Amen sisters and brothers. keep posting

      September 19, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Progress is Certain

      Leroy and karima, maybe Maybe one of you geniuses can explain this to me. Ok, God is Jesus, Jesus is God. God wanted to have a physical manifestation of himself on Earth and though he created the heavens and the Earth, Adam and Eve, he couldn't manage a “Jesus” so he knocked up a virgin by proxy who then gave birth to Himself and then he waited for himself to grow up so that he could preach the "truth" to those who would listen.

      Then he set up his own death so that he could suffer on a cross to "die" (even though he can't die) for the sins of all the many billions of people who would be born who had not yet committed any sins but for whom he has a plan and that plan includes sinning for some unknown reason so he needed to die for them. Then he becomes a ghost, takes a little trip to Hades to hang with the red guy and then he "rises" and walks about frightening people and then disappears after telling everyone he would return and never shows his face again.


      I would offer this counter possibility. Mary got knocked up by the blacksmith. Jesus was a cult leader. Jesus broke the law and was punished and died.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Life without God is death.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Sausage without Honda is Backyard fudge hops.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Wow, you really don't think too hard do you?

      I get it, you do not believe in anything you can't pop a tape measure on, you can't think beyond the four dimensions. Why does it pain you so to see other people enjoying and finding happiness in what you would call a delusion? Just go on chasing a void, you will come around eventually, and when you do, we will be there to pick you up and walk with you.

      You have to read the Bible with an open heart and mind, if you want to experience God, you have to give all you are not just 99% Try it, it doesn't cost anything and may reward you with everything.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      There was no such thing as a "church" when he was alive. Fail.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      @ perceived,
      That statement presumes only one moral outcome possible. If that is the case, then we really are not free to choose. If the ONLY option is eternal damnation, THAT is not "Free Will".

      September 19, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      PR, the moment you can produce even the most tenuous proof that a god exists, I'll be thrilled to see it. When do you plan to do that?

      September 19, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • zoomzom

      Jesus was gay and slept with John, Paul and other disciples, similar was the story of his mom Mary, who clamed to get pregnant without touching a man.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Seeker

      @progress is certain

      Whether one believes the narrative or not will not affect the outcome, yes? Share the source of your information...i am interested in any proof against Jesus amd willing to consider facts and argument in support of other views. You must know about the Flat Earth Society....neither belief or non-belief affect facts.

      The world is not shaped by limited umderstanding...but instead by chasing possibilities! Its a choice, and our choices shape us.

      September 19, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Kafir

      There's no need to disprove that which has not been proven in the first place.

      September 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Really?

      You come upon a bear in a beartrap. You try to save it, however the only way to do that is depressing the trap and causing more pain. The bear tries to kill you because it thinks you are trying to cause it more harm. Can you begin to compare your and the bears thought processes? How much more the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE and you? From the alignment, mass, rotation of planets to our own DNA and everything in between. Dont' you find it interesting that cyclical runs a common theme?

      September 20, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • Really?

      Open or close the door. Is that a choice?

      September 20, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Jesus

      Jesus' wife refers to James. Jesus was gay and James was his "woman". The references to James as a "brother" has many meanings including one's lover. Just think about it. Jesus lived with Mom for 30 years, had no girlfriends, and hung out with 12 guys with long flowing robes. If that's not gay, I don't know what is.

      September 20, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  2. Religion is not healthy for children and ALL LIVING THINGS!

    Prayer makes you stupid.

    September 19, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Leroy

      Come on and join His side. We could use all that passion. Move mountains man, make things happen.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • volsocal

      As opposed to not praying and being like...you?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Bob

      Proven? Please enlighten us on how an opinion can be emperically proven.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Dasher

      @Bob, this scenario happens all the time:
      Child is sick, parents pray for the child to get better instead of get their child medical attention that would have saved his/her life. Child dies and the parents only respond with, "he/she is with god no. It is what God wanted."

      Think of it as an oxymoron when you consider the fact that this religion upholds a pro-life stance.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  3. Agapatos

    Other problems:
    1. Maybe its a different Jesus.
    2. Maybe its a gnostic text.
    3. Maybe its a forgery.
    4. Maybe Jesus is talking figuratively of the church, often described as "his bride."
    5. It's not in the Gospel or in any other corroborating source.
    6. Maybe Jesus was giving an example, and playing a role.
    7. The certain testimony of a saint who had visions and works miracles (Anne Catherine Emmerich), and her accurate descriptions of many other geographic, historical, and linguistic facts, including the days, weeks, months, and years of the life of Christ far outweighs the guesses of a Harvard academic.
    8. All the presenters and promotors of this factoid have potential selfish motives.
    9. The idea of Jesus having a wife is inconsistent with the total, self-sacrificing ministry and teachings of Christ (esp. his statement that it is not convenient for spiritually-minded people to marry, in Matt. 19:10-11), as well as with the prophecy of Isaiah 53:10 of future offspring in the ages AFTER he sacrifices himself.
    10. THE DEPOSIT OF THE FAITH OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS PROTECTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM ERROR (BOTH FACTUAL AND IN PRINCIPLE), and this we believe with Divine and Catholic Faith, whether or not there is any supposed evidence to the contrary.

    September 19, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      You said it. Even when evidence proves the contrary, retarded people still believe their delusion.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Hey RL,
      I bet you believe in all types of delusion. I bet you think that most matter is solid, but that is a delusion! You probably think matter is made up of particles, but at the sub-quark level, the evidence is ambigious! Silly you!

      September 19, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • TrueReality

      So, RL, what exactly in that has been proved to the contrary? Those points are all (except 7 and 10) perfectly reasonable, rational statements. I disagree with 7 and 10 because I'm not a Roman Catholic, but the rest are totally consistent with mainstream Biblical scholarship.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • IrishinToronto

      11. maybe the bible was a scam to ensure control of the Roman Empire.

      September 19, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • atDissenter

      11. Maybe Jesus never existed and it was ALL made up?

      September 19, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • TB3Nrg

      Ok, here’s some possible answers:
      1. Maybe, but how many famous Jesus’s of the time were worth writing about? “a different Jesus” is always a cop-out for those want to draw difference between beliefs.
      2. Maybe, if so, why shouldn’t it be less true then the bible gospels as they all came for similar sources and either rejected or accepted by men, not God?
      3. Umm. Didn’t the article say so far it is authentic?
      4. Now you’re getting into translation differences, although this is possible don’t forget that wife and bride are two different things.
      5. True, but you could say the same thing about most of the books in the bible.
      6. Now this is a very true possibility. But very few, if any, parables Jesus told involved him.
      7. Sorry, this point doesn’t prove anything to anyone outside of Catholics. Nor does it make any sense.
      8. Possible, but how does this disprove the finding? Bedsides, you can’t prove their motives.
      9. That’s you interpretation of those verses. In Matthew after he was referring to adultery of others his disciples asked if the adultery sins apply to women and if it is good to marry. My interpretation is that he said that marriage is not for everyone, it’s only for those that can honor it.
      10. Again a catholic specific position and a bit naive. But let’s say for one instance this is true. The problem is that while the church itself would be protected from error, the men in charge of the church aren’t. as even the most religious of people know that all men make mistakes.
      I’m not saying I completely believe that Jesus had a wife as proven by this writing. But it is a possibility. After all, the wedding he was at when he changed the water to wine, whose wedding was it? Why would Mary be so concerned about no wine left for the guests if the wedding wasn’t for one of her own children? Lastly, wasn’t it the custom to marry at about Jesus’ age, just like joseph? At the very least it brings up some interesting questions and I know a few Christian religions were if this was a fact, it would only added to their faith, sorry Catholics.

      September 21, 2012 at 3:14 am |
  4. Progress is Certain

    Jesus did not have a wife you fools. The Bible is clear on this point as it is on ALL Biblical points. It is the the defacto standard for biblical historical facts.

    That is the problem with you people. You have turned your back on common sense and you are letting the weak and the poor take over our country. I am sick and tired of it. We WILL take this country back and the Evangelical laws will prevail.

    Prepare ye to be judged!

    September 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.


      September 19, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Dyl

      LOL. being judgmental is for the weak. SOOO.... hmmm I guess I was being judgmental but judging your judgment huh?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • jean

      Genesis contains two different versions of creation. Which one is the correct one?

      Genesis 1:1-31?
      Genesis 2:1-24?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Progress is Certain


      A snot-nosed kid like you should be very happy indeed that I am sitting on the fence looking out for you and your parents. I am sure they are left-wing liberals pumping you fuel of enema juice so you can get all bound down, but do you know what they are really doing? Taking a fist full of downs with a warm beer so they can forget you exist while they sqander your college education on sushi and donations to the tree huggers association and finance poor children everywhere in the world except right in their own house. You won't even be able to afford a one room appartment in slap-out Oklahoma by the time you get your AA in nothing at Junior College and start your career working at Six Flags selling glow sticks without being able to even count change and all of your hard earned pennies will go to getting giant holes cut in your ears so you can stick wood plugs in there to gross out all the people who will never hire you because you have made yourself to grotesque for anyone to look at except the night janitor at Best Buy who has a face tattoo.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • volsocal

      "you people"..."fools" ??? Perhaps you should review some of the Words attributed to Jesus.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • Dyl

      LMAO! I LIKE ON THE FENCE TOO. I LIKE THE COLOR PURPLE. I am 22 and am suuureee I've witnessed more than you. BTW. we live in a matrix. You should fast, not rest a lot, meditate, AND YOU WILL SEE. Ever have a strange wave come in from of you while driving long distances? YEAH, that is because that's the matrix loading in front of you. Or maybe I am just gifted? IDK ♥

      September 19, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • kso

      too bad it's was written and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten. Sure it's a perfect source when comes to the entirety of Jesus' life. pfft.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Judge not, lest ye be judged. Sound familiar ?

      September 19, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • @Progress is whatever ... from De Odorizer

      You wrote: "I am sure they are left-wing liberals pumping you fuel of enema juice so you can get all bound down, but do you know what they are really doing?"
      Just what Jeeeezus would have said, kindly christian, blah blah..

      And don't you dare call this 55 yr old man a snotnose, like you so lovingly called others, or you will see hell, on earth..

      September 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  5. Rational Libertarian

    If the Bible is anything to go by, Jesus wasn't a big fan of marriage. He made his disciples leave their wives and families. It would have been hypocritical if he had a skifooza while his disciples couldn't.

    September 19, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Dyl

      Sounds like Jim Jones, doesn't it?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • UD

      Using undiscovered evidence it has come to my attention that in fact, she was a f.a.g hag but was available for back door fun when Jesus was otherwise occupied. I have faith that this is exactly how it happened therefore it is true.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • UncleChicken

      Peter was married; Jesus even healed his mother-in-law. Oh, sorry – are my facts getting in the way of your biased commenting?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Mark 10:28-30
      “Then Peter began to say to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You.” So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.”

      Matthew 10:34-39
      “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.”

      Also, there is no mention of Peter's wife, just the mother in law. The wife was probably dead.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Jesus thought, mistakenly, that the world would end in his generation. That is also why Paul did not push marriage. They BOTH thought the end-times were immanent. They were both wrong, totally.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Life for all

      Neither Paul nor Jesus said anything about the end times being in their generation. Obviously like many here your fail to understand certain passages in the bible. Jesus said no man will know the time of the end. If you speak of the passage where Jesus refers to the Kingdom coming : "But I tell you of a truth, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27)". This could refer to more than one later event for example:
      After six days Jesus took with Him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

      4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

      5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is My Son, whom I love; with Him I am well pleased. Listen to Him!”

      6 When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. He said, “Get up. Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up they saw no one except Jesus.

      9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Do not tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
      The Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-9)

      This is one example and this is what Jesus spoke of IMO but there are others as when John was on the Island of Patmos and the The Book Revalation was revealed to him.

      Paul refers to in much detail in this way:

      Those interested in the signs of the end times often take note of a warning given by Paul to the Thessalonians, speaking about the return of Jesus Christ to earth. He writes, "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first" (2 Thessalonians 2:3
      ). He then proceeds to explain this "falling away" in greater detail.

      Paul writes that it will involve the revealing of "the man of sin...the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God" (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

      I really think your understand of scripture is much wanting anyone can google bible text but not understand its context, which is essence is what you and many others have done here. Take the time to read the Bible and understand its real meaning and it will set you free....

      September 20, 2012 at 7:31 am |
  6. 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

    The most important question is was jesus' wife a virgin when thy got married?

    September 19, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Dyl

      No. He wasn't either.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Dyldo, are you 12?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Dyl

      Yesm, how'd you know?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Tom! How horrid! Be nice!

      September 19, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Fvck off. I don't have to "be nice" to morons.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Dyl

      What are you doing? looking in the mirror? haha

      September 19, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, I misjudged you. You're 3, not 12.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Dyl

      You should learn the law of attraction. BTW. I enjoy the number 11

      September 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • from De Odorizer

      I kinda like what Dyl says, it's hilarious, irreverent and testing some people's nerves here , quite a bit it seems.
      I always thought that the man Jesus would have had some carnal knowledge of women and / or men. He had plenty opportunity. Besides, as the article ABOVE states, there was no priesthood celibacy until about 1000 C.E.
      And before anyone asks: I am 55, been employed for 35 + years, pay taxes and I am educated and bilingual.

      September 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  7. Dyl

    Jesus was not married like people get married today. He was simply devoted to a woman and loved her deeply. LIKE marriage should be TODAY

    September 19, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And you know this how, exactly?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • Dyl

      Because I am Jesus. :3 ahha

      September 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Dyl

      jp. they had a ceremony and everything but it wasn't based as THIS IS MY WIFE, SHE IS MY PROPERTY, SHE WORKS FOR ME. I am sure it was more about LOVE and not OWNING. There wasn't all this finance crap and other things like there is today is what I am saying.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • from De Odorizer

      TomTomTom, careful, is it constipation? bad breath or something.
      Prove Dyl wrong!
      You full well know there were / are other gospels that simply didn't make it into the 'canon' and they let Jesus appear a lot more human. Which makes him lots more admirable to me.

      Go on, Dyl, give us another one... lololol

      September 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  8. Sorry folks, Jesus was qu.eer as a seven dollar bill

    you know it's true..........

    September 19, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • old ben

      And evidently he had to keep a wife (for appearances of course); he didn't mention her much because, you know, she was one of those Michele Bachmann types.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      I am a hetero male, and I love Jesus!

      September 19, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Dyl

      Yeah, and you love to eat crap. You know it's true

      September 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      You are so witty! Alas I do not like poop, you are mistaken!

      September 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Dyl

      I know you don't. Who would? hahah, prob the devil.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Well, there was those two girls and a cup, I think it was really choc ice cream though!

      September 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
  9. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Operator: 9-1-1
    Caller: Please help my Mohammad
    Operator: what is his emergency?
    Caller: He is burning, I smell his burning flesh. Please help PLEASE HEEEEEEEELP!
    Operator: Calm down Sir! What is the address? I am sending ambulance Sir!
    Caller: I think he is in place called HELL, please send help.
    Operator: stop making prank calls Mohammad.

    September 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Don't quit your day job.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu, ignorant from hindered gutter of hinduism, absurdity called india.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Why do you hate Hindus? Do you even know?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
  10. MrNirom

    There is much more evidence of Jesus being married than not. Here is some real food for thought! http://www.i4m.com/think/bible/Jesus_Was_Married.htm

    September 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Jesse Gonzalez


      September 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  11. Dood

    Who knows, Jesus might have said "....my wife, the Church..." The Church is known as the Bride of Christ.

    September 19, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • therealpeace2all


      You're right. He also might have said..."My wife... is such a nag" or... "My wife is a wonderful, beautiful lady" etc...


      September 19, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Give me a break. There was no such thing as a "church" when Jesus was alive. That is not a word he knew or would have said. (It's also one of the reason's we know that he never said the Peter, "Tu es Petrus.etc", (Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church). Scholars KNOW he could or would NOT have said that.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      they found the rest of the fragment this afternoon. It says

      Take ...... my wife........please.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      From the Book of Henny, no doubt.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
  12. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    This article proves dolphins, ignorance of followers of new englad Patriot ism , pagan savior ism, labeled as champions, having no fans to stand on but chowder heads, absurdity of a unknown running back, denier of truth absolute as proof to miami superiority, they have no proof of, so are four teams in AFC East, handy work of some unknown wide receivers, authenticated without any proof and identified under names of assumed head coaches. Way of hoody's, criminal tricksters to manipulate the Jets game, ignorant lineman. please visit http://www.nfl.com/ and click on word miami to see cheerleaders to learn true causes of awsome among humanity,

    September 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism, absurdity of some ID thief Jew' criminal self centered pretending to be Hindu. for more for more for more visit http://www.Jesusisthetruth.com/blog.html and click on Fatima to open file.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism, absurdity of some offensive plays thief patriot criminal self centered pretending to be "watching" but video taping practice. for more for more for more visit http://www.jets.com/ click on cheater to open file.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  13. realbuckyball

    You can easily be a married Catholic priest. Just get yourself ordained in the Episcopal church, get married, and leave, and join the Roman church. In that case you will be accepted, and these people are married, and priests. They're organized in the "Ordinarite", and have their own diocese, and bishop..

    September 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Really? I didn't know that, bucky. Interesting.

      September 19, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • from De Odorizer

      unfortunately, for you, Tom (name sake of mine), bucky is correct. There are isolated situations where a catholic priest is married in a scenario like bucky describes. It's the problem for the cath. church, "what god has put together, man shall not divide – paraphrasing here.
      In the reverse: how many times did the catholic church ANNULL a marriage,, even a marriage that lasted many years with kids and all? Answer: many thousands of times throughout history.
      Only goes to show: Whoever is the 'decider" can make any decision, no matter how ludicrous it is.
      So, the church decides Jesus can't have been with a woman, therefore Jesus was never with a woman. Easy peasy.

      September 20, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  14. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    This article proves hinduism, ignorance of followers of hindu Mithra ism , pagan savior ism, labeled as Christianity, having no proof to stand on but hnduism, absurdity of a unknown hindu, denier of truth absolute as proof to lay a claim, they have no proof of, so are four gospels, handy work of some unknown authors, authenticated without any proof and identified under names of assumed disciples. Way of Magi hindu's, criminal tricksters to manipulate hindu gentile, ignorant slaves. please visit http://www.limitisthetruth.com/ and click on word Choice to open file, to learn true causes of mayhem among humanity,

    September 19, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      absurdity of Hindu ID thief, denier of truth absolute 180*, Jew's self centered, follower of Pagan GAWD Jesus. Use your own ID skunk. visit my link http://www.whowasJesus.com/blog.html and click on Mohammad to open file.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why are you even posting here? Your spew is unreadable. Go blow.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      absurdity of New England playbook thief, denier of truth absolute #12 Brady self centered, follower of the Hoody GAWD Belechik. Use your own defense skunk. visit my link http://www.miamidolphins.com/and click on Fans to open file.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  15. HeavenSent Blog

    Don't be shy, give HS a try!!


    September 19, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @HS Blog

      Working now ! Nice ! 😀


      September 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • CS

      I will work on one like you suggested with quotes, etc. lol

      I might even build a web site for HS

      September 19, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • therealpeace2all


      I don't see the real HS around anymore... have you ?

      Anyway, we could even make HS t-shirts with some of the best HS quotes all over them, and HS hoodies, crosses, auto-graphed copies of an original HS bible, with all of HS's favorite bible quotes that he/she butchered, HS coffee mugs, etc... I'm thinking big here !!!! 😀


      September 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sssshhh! It's like Beetlejuice! If you say its name three times it'll show up!

      September 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Tom, Tom –

      O.K... come on... you don't miss the real HS ? LOL !


      September 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • CS

      I thought she was prayerbot...??

      No the real HS hasn't not been for some time.

      I thought of coffee mugs and t's and stuff, but if build an e-commerce site to sell that stuff, how do we get HS viral to drive traffic to the store??

      September 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah, I miss it...like a crutch.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Awesome !

      September 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • therealpeace2all


      Well, you can start here on the belief blog, obviously,.... but how are we going to get HS to agree to be a spokesperson/promoter for the site ? LOL !!!

      Maybe some royalties that she can use for a *ca-me-ltoe reduction* 😀


      September 19, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • CS

      Dam Peace, I like it. I don't how to get her but maybe she is the prayerbot and we coax her out. Whe could total hook up with octomom and be a sponser for the plastic surgeon that fixed HER hooha.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Beetlejuice, filthy self centered jew' s GAWD, denier of truth ALLAH AL, the, LA, limited, H, height. Say three time Tallaq! Tallaq!Tallaq! and get divorce, truth of Mohammad, absolute 180* Visit my blog whyTalaqHealthy.com/blog/html and click on Divorce to open file. Turn off virus protection first..

      September 19, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Adrian


      September 19, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
  16. Arvoasitis

    There is Biblical evidence of Jesus being married. Jesus was referred to as "Rabbi" on a number of occasions. To be a rabbi in Jesus' day, there were two requirements: (1) a trade or profession and (2) a wife. There is only one known case of someone being a rabbi without having been married, and he is remembered for that oddity, and that oddity alone, to this day. (And, no, that individual was not Jesus.)

    September 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Here is an example of the education Jesus would have received-
      Age 5 – ready for study of written Torah
      Age 10 –ready for study of oral Torah
      Age 13 – Bar Mitzvah (religious ceremony for coming of age)
      Age 15 –Study of Halachot (rabbinic legal decisions)
      Age 18 –Ready for marriage
      Age 20 – Looking for a profession
      Age 30 -ready to enter the mainstream of community life

      September 19, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • Rabbi

      Rabbis were not and are not required to marry. Why not spend your time doing something constructive?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Fr. James

      There is no biblical evidence of Jesus Christ ever entering marriage. He chose to server God and put away all earthly desires. Why does that bother you so deeply? Try our side. Seriously. Don't let others persuade you to miss out on what is rightfully yours. I remember as a kid not wanting to sky dive. When I finally did years later, it changed my life forever.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      Not only was a rabbi required to have a wife, but a precise schedule of marital relations was stipulated (probably so that the rabbi was not distracted by se.xual issues during the performance of his religious duties). Thus, it is likely that Jesus fathered children. It is true that if the wife of a rabbi died, a reasonable period of mourning was in order.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Sorry Father. Fallacy of the False Analogy. Don't they teach logic in the seminary ?
      I WAS a Catholic. I studied the Bible at an Ivy League University, and it made me a a-theist. Everything you assert about Jesus has not ONE shred of evidence for it. THAT is irrational. Skydiving is not "irrational".

      September 19, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      And your "millions" business is the Ad Populum fallacy.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  17. UD

    I am saddened by all those who cling to religion and continue to endorse it as reality and insist that it somehow should govern morality and law-making. One can lay out all the evidence and build (and have built) an airtight case against every single religion on Earth past and present, but still believers will not budge from their point of view, even when presented with the lies and contradictions in the very scriptures they base their beliefs on.

    Understand, I am not talking about a belief in God. I do understand that. I am talking about religion. Every one of which has been empirically proven false but yet clings like moss to ancient rocks.

    I believe the single most important factor in this inability to see through the foolishness of religion is fear. Children’s stories of heaven and hell. The initial indoctrination for many, simply cannot be undone.

    Secondly, there is a feeling of community that comes with any “club” Naturally this is not relegated to religion so it does not qualify as an excuse.

    Lastly some minds are unable to think creatively enough to imagine the more plausible alternatives. What are those alternatives? Well we have to turn to science, but also we have to accept what we don’t know and keep looking. And in truth, we don’t really know anything about how the universe came to be, what came before and where it is going. If there are multiple universes and time lines through which we move, these would be marvelous discoveries. There is a wonderful article in Scientific American this month regarding a new spin on the Quantum theory. That being the quantum universe could have foamlike fluctuations that rule spacetime, not unlike the 0’s and 1’s that are the foundation of computing and storing information.

    If we wish to believe in the supernatural, we have to make things up. Hence religion. It doesn’t mean there is no god, or gods, or aliens, but it does mean that we don’t have the answers and most likely never will.

    Now we arrive back at fear. What will happen to me when I die? For me, I look forward to an eternity of nothing. Others fear this prospect and prefer to believe in fairies and fantasies and are not even ashamed that their mental description of an after life is akin to that of a 5-year-old’s picture book.

    I believe the Universe and the “everything” are FAR more bizarre than we could ever imagine with the faculties we have thus far obtained via evolution on this planet. And I wonder how many millions of civilizations across the vastness of space and time have pondered likewise.

    Finally, the entire planet is affected by the irrational belief systems of the various mainstream religions. It affects the global economy, it affects world peace, it affects our secular life style in the United States. These ancient belief systems are based on superst.ition and mythology. One would think humans would have moved forward by now but instead we as a species behave in the same self-destructive manner now as we did thousands of years ago with more at stake then at any other time in history.

    September 19, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • PerceivedReality


      September 19, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Fr. James

      To "Run A Mok", I was never told. I was raised by non- practicing parents, yet I knew of Jesus from before I could speak. I have no explanation but there are many who share my experience. Not all will come to know him. Jesus himself said, you hear my words but do not understand you. You may not be in the book of life. I assure you there are people who do believe cannot be persuaded otherwise just as you may be steadfast in your beliefs. I don't bash atheists and I'm not sure why so many have such guttural reactions to believers. You don't see this same kind of reaction to followers of Hinduism, or even people who prefer Fords over Chevys. It is something distinctly different about non believers of Christianity. Best wishes and good travels.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Fr. James

      You are correct. I will never budge from my belief, nor will millions of other Christians. That should say something to you.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Fr. James

      Hindus aren't trying to put Krishna and Ganesha all over our courthouses and public areasusing tax money. Hindus and Buddhists aren't trying to get public schools to teach their creation stories, even though they have just as much conviction as the Christians. That's why Christianity is running into a wall of criticism and anger, because those in power feel they have some divine right to force their religion on others and to rewrite history.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      I love athiests, they are my wayward brothers. I hope someday to converse with them among the stars when they open their hearts to the truth beyond material.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      I wonder if the issues you mentioned are more about American tradition then it is about "Forcing Christianity" Like it or not, the vast majority of our American forefathers were Christian. Why would we want to abandon our heritage to be politicaly correct?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why wouldn't we, if said forefathers were simply wrong?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest


      1) Many of the forefathers were deists.
      2) Our country was not founded on Christianity, nomatter how many apologetics revisionists say so.
      3) Are you arguing for a state religion based on a perceived tradition in our leaders beliefs?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      All those millions of people that managed to build this great nation were wrong, and you are right?

      Hows tricks?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Seeker

      Guess that depends on one's level of understanding of context and ability to step outside their "reality" of working so they can buy things they don't need with money they don't have. Imagine being completely satiated, having every conceivable (fill in the blank)....then what?

      Your view may be true for someone in your space...comsider this; do college students understand deeper than high schoolers or grade schoolers...all less than a grad student on a specific subject or a master of a specific subject. Still, the grade schooler is nevertheless as relevant as the master, even though less consequential.

      Take a look at humanity as a whole...even with all the knowlwdge available, the most intellectually gifted of us is inconsequential in comtext of a single universe. Humanity's level of knowledge is greater today than yesterday, and not as great as tomorrow. Humanity is on a path to shared understanding. For now, all the confusion and chaos is nothing more than contrast to help you see who you are by what you are not.

      Every single one of us are on our own journey...and at different places on the path. There was this non-Christian gentleman from a different faith who was in his mid 80's...he converted to a Christian faith at his late age...and, died 6 months later. He wasn't willing to accept the risk of not believing in God and doing something about it...maybe he hedged.

      You too my friend will change your view as you open up to possibilities beyond your current understanding. There is wisdom suggsting that our senses actually limit our ability to comprehend.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • hawaiiguest


      All that crap for Pascal's Wager? Really?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Fr James,
      With Catholics, it has something to do with child abuse. Wake up.
      not being in the book of life" crap, presumes that a loving god actually created humans to go to hell. THAT is not a loving god,who grants Free Will. You are as delusional as most of your sheep, dude.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Seeker


      Impressive to spot the cosmic gamble concept...surprised you didn't see more....

      September 19, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Inhumanist

      Sorry, Pascal's wager is a little too contradictory to make sense. To even make the wager plausible, one must already have subscribed to the concept of a tyrannical deity demanding a profession of belief, authentic or otherwise, for this allegedly proffered salvation. To wit, the only ones for whom it would make sense to take that wager, would already have "progressed" well beyond its minimum requirements, while those presumably in dire need of it, would likely be unconvinced of its efficacy.

      September 20, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  18. HeavenSent Blog

    All are welcome!


    September 19, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Still not working for me ^HS.

      September 19, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent Blog

      Try the new one, we got it now. Matched third party for new song and no international copyright issues.

      September 19, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Try my Blog, and see filthy denier of truth absolute 180*, absurd. for more fore more visit Jesushadfourwives.com/blog.html and click on MadamQ to open file.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Nice to see all my athiest friends here tonight! Where is HBDC?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
  19. BurntOffering

    I have been trying to explain to my family since 1995 that I am Satan, risen and reborn as the Daughter of God, Sister Spirit and Espoused Wife of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately most people never thought Jesus Christ would have a wife of his own, but God used the same bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh that was inside of the 1st Adam to make him a suitable wife. Rev. 5:2-5 tell men that No man in heaven in earth or under the earth could unlock the 7 seals and that the Lion of the tribe of Judah would prevail. But no man includes Jesus Christ himself, and especially prepared by God for only a Woman aka Lioness which the bible described as Isreal's Treachers Backsliding Sister, orginally given the part to play the Harlot. Well somebody had to do it, Give me a call, tweet, email, etc....However if you really want to see my mark as the Beast that was and is not and yet is; typing this message, Read Isa. 66:6-9 cause there is a big differnce between a 6 and 9. or you can read Rev. 21:9 which is talking about an Angel with the last 7 plages and ends with Come Hither, and I will shew ye the bride the Lamb's Wife.

    September 19, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Jimmy crack corn

      Well I am convinced you are Satan. Does that help you?

      September 19, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
      • BurntOffering

        well that makes two of us so many you will be my witness when a find a lawyer willing to represent Satan, risen and reborn in the flesh of a real Christian woman.

        September 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
      • BurntOffering

        Yes it does, so go tell all your friends in the GOP it aint President Obama. Then ask the Pope, news agencies and Holy See why they didnt see me coming

        June 14, 2014 at 2:33 pm |
    • Inhumanist

      Ann Coulter, you sure are more eloquent with the written word.

      September 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
      • BurntOffering

        My 1st name is not Ann its Marsha but I prefer to be called Mrs. Jesus Christ.

        September 23, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
      • BurntOffering

        I am not Ann Coulter or Orley Tait and I definately Aint No Saint, However Jesus did save a wretch like me from a Terribly Fate.

        September 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    September 19, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • Dasher

      I prayed that you would not post that copy and paste tedious statement, yet here you are.

      September 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Run A Mok

      Children are born atheist. They don't believe in Santa Claus until they are taught about Santa Claus.

      September 19, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • PerceivedReality

      Prayer changed me!

      September 19, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Into what?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • PerceivedReality


      September 19, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Correlation is not causation. You cannot prove causation.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
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