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  1. Maya

    I don't care for Joel Osteen or his net-worth. However, I do CARE that he's preaching the word of God to people who need something to believe in and something to look forward to. Faith helps and heals, I don't see anything wrong with that.
    And in my opinion, without faith (NOT religion) this world would be a sadder place.

    September 28, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • Tanya

      But Osteen's hair is so greasy. Wassup with the oil slick at his feet? Classic con man.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • Bill

      Tanya, he's a con man in the classic con game of religion. Step right up, put your money in Osteen's coffer so he can finally buy some shampoo, I guess.

      Maya, the world would be far better with more skepticism and reason, and way less faith.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
  2. btlco

    I am disappointed in how evasive and afraid he was to be bold in love about what the bible says. The interview was rather withy washy on J.O's part. You know what is was? Pitiful, to see a man of God cowering under pressure. The righteous are bold as a Lion. If Gids Word is true, let it be known without any reservation that Jesus is Lord of All and Holy.

    September 28, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Maya

      I agree. But political-correctness reigns supreme over God's word (now). It's just the world we live in today. Things are changing

      September 28, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • Clarifier

      He knows he is speaking to the devil. He did just fine.

      September 28, 2012 at 2:53 am |
    • btlco

      When Jesus spoke to the devil in the garden of Gethsemane, there was no doubt about Jesus position on The Word of God. Jesus was BOLD, not wishy washy and pitiful. May The Lord strengthen this man of God to be bold for Jesus, to not care what people think, politically correct, etc., just preach Gods Word with The Fire of The Holy Spirit.

      September 28, 2012 at 3:25 am |
    • Cindi

      That is all well and good if you remember that we, as Christians, are operating under the NEW Testament, and Jesus was all about unconditional love and acceptance...NOT judging others! What is so hard to understand about that??

      January 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • Bob

      Cindi, how come your "perfect" goddy boy got it wrong first time around, in the Old Testicle, and had to write a new one? Better make yourself a better god than that one.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
  3. Pnm9pnm

    News throwe time some life4m say it no,s yet not ment to be alive as to steel from life ment to be ?pnm.

    September 27, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  4. mps

    rich religious figures... I wonder if they can fit through the eye of a needle?

    September 27, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  5. The truth is Uncomfortable

    The American Dream is a collective compression of the delusionary expressions of hollywood. God does not call us to seek prosperity over justice or else he wouldnt have written more about that.There are 10 times more teachings on regarding the poor than walking in affluence unaware of the needs of the disadvantaged. Christianity has failed as a caring community. Having exchanged the practice of sharing with the desire to wipe out our ideological foes with venomous attacks. God says it is easy to love our friends tbut not as easy to love those who despitefully use us. Republicans seem to view God as an ATM machine or a biased grandparent that is obligated to treat the priviliged with more abundance. Self centred living makes it impossible to follow God ie: If you dont deny yourself and take up your cross and follow me you CANT be my disciple.. Under right wing idealogues there mantra is When you are strong you are strong Christs mantra is opposite: When you are weak you are strong. Romney is not a right wing idealogue. He is a narcistic person that sees himself as a prophet of uncontrolled and unjust materialism. To him money is more important than his fellow man. His enemies are to be nuked. His heart is void of any human kindness. His God is himself.

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    September 27, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • Jo

      If only all religious people thought like you did, there might not be so many of us agnostics and atheists.

      September 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  6. Lana

    Seems Joel Osteen has done quite well for himself with his reported $40 million net worth. Years ago there was that term Snake Oil Salesman...

    September 27, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Arthurrrr

      and you dont like what exactly about him??? that he has money????

      September 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Lana

      Arthurrrr

      I did not state that I dislike anything about Joel Osteen. Do you need to take reading classes?
      In my opinion, Joel Osteen is a motivational speaker for those seeking approval from their god. I don't believe in Joel Osteen as a genuine person of faith and I believe people are foolish to give him money.

      September 27, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
  7. Huh??

    Lol! Given his extremely effeminate personality, I had always assumed Osteen was a gay man.. and despite anything he or anyone else can say, I still do! (I feel sorry for all the fools who've made him a very very wealthy entertainer!)

    September 27, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • Rob-Texas

      Went to Lakewood when I was a kid, and my famiily knew his Dad. I have seen Joel at different times in his life and he was never in the past or now a gay person. Why are you so hateful for someone you don't even know.
      That is just it, isn't it. These days all most people can do is get on line and bash and speciulate, generalize and ridicul someone you don't even know. You should be real proud of yourselfs. What an insperation to others and today's youth.

      September 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Alexandr

      Actually, the other poster just believes that Mr. Osteen appears to be more effeminate and most likely is gay. It is your belief that Mr. Osteen being gay is wrong. It is what it is.

      My actions towards you are my karma. Your reaction to my actions is yours.

      Whether he's gay or not, he looks like a smarmy snake oil salesman. THAT was an insult, just so you can tell the difference.

      September 27, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  8. Tammy

    Terrible interveiw...I thought that you were really unfair to Joel. He gave you an answer yet you kept hounding him!!!! Shame on you for doing that to such a great guy.

    September 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Sammy

      Well, he's a great source of oil. You'd see the derricks there on his head if his greasy locks didn't hide them.

      Seriously, Tammy, are you astroturfing for him? Joel is a pretty slick character, and I don't mean just his hair. Pretty hard to defend a con artist like him.

      September 26, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Rob-Texas

      What makes him a con artist? Have you ever listen to one of his sermens? Do you know him personally? Please enlighten us!

      September 27, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Tammy

      Rob, you are too crude in Texas to be enlightened.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
  9. Tom H.

    Sin is defined by God as anything short of perfect holiness. Save Jesus Christ, NO ONE, is perfect and thereby yes, we are all sinners. Our society tends to think that a "sinner" is someone who say, violates one or more of the ten commandments. They might say, "Well I haven't committed adultery or murdered anyone or stolen anything, so how can I be called a sinner?" Two points: One, Jesus equates lusting with adultery and hatred with murder, so in view of that WE ALL have violated those commandments. Try getting around the "coveting" commandment. NO ONE has a leg to stand on there. Guilty of one? Gulity of all. Romans 3:23 – "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" If we were sinless then Jesus' sacrifice is a hollow execution. THANK GOD that He provided a sacrifice in His Son to pay the debt we never could.

    September 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Tammy

      Well said!
      I just thought they were to hard on Joel!

      September 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Bob

      The whole Jesus sacrifice thing is a load of crock to begin with. Let's look at it some more:

      The whole premise of Christianity that the death of the son of god would have been any kind of "sacrifice" and was required to deal with "sin" is utter nonsense. This is a supposed omnipotent being that we are discussing. Christians, think this through a bit: how come your 'omnipotent' creature couldn't do all that supposed saving without the loony son sacrifice bit? And for that matter, how was it a sacrifice at all, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time it wants with less than a snap of its fingers? Pretty feeble god it is that you've made for yourself there.

      Give that some thought and maybe it will help you leave your delusions behind. You will remain a laughingstock otherwise, and the more you dwell in your silly delusion and ancient myths, instead of keeping up with advances in medicine and technology, the more America slips downward relative to the rest of the world in science and other fields.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      September 26, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Huh??

      Ya'all planning on starting yer own taliban thing here in America??

      September 27, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • Veritas

      And that's all it takes to spend eternity in hell? That's one compassionate god you have there.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:24 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      You know, when someone says 'everyone is ill, whether they know it or not, and they have to buy this pill from me to cure them' we can see how this is not true.

      But when someone says 'everyone is a sinner, whether they know it or not, and they have to do what I say to free themselves of that sin' you can't?

      Casting everyone as 'deficient' (and getting them to believe it) and in need of something only another person, organization can give them, is Maniuplation 101.

      September 27, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Rob-Texas

      Bob you ridicule something you knw nothing about, abviously. He took on the pain of sin, though he never sinned. He brigged the gulf between mankind and God that was broken in the Garden of Eden. Since you don't have ears that hear, I guess this post is a waist on your but perhaps someone will read it and not be mislead by you!

      September 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      tom: you have no authority to speak for god.

      September 27, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      Rob: Saying it don't make it so

      September 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • sam stone

      "brigged"?

      "waist"?

      perhaps you should ask jeebus how to spell

      September 27, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  10. DodgyMerchant

    Anti gay? Huh. Methinks he doth protest too much. I smell the stench of massive denial.

    That's one closet I wouldnt bet on as being all that empty, or my gaydar (usually pretty reliable) needs resetting.

    September 26, 2012 at 3:26 am |
    • Huh??

      Thanks, I was wondering if it was just me!!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Rob-Texas

      Your Gaydar has failed. You better get a check up!

      September 27, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Merely because your family "knew his dad" doesn't mean you are privy to the intimate details of the son's life. Pretending that you "know" is just as delusional as those others who pretend to know differently.

      September 27, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  11. Lana

    I think the issue that Mr. Joel Osteen understands is the M O N E Y issue. God bless the almighty buck...

    September 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  12. DANILLE

    FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DONATING MONEY TO JOEY AND ARE OUT OF WORK, ASK HIM FOR LOAN AND SEE HOW FAST HE TURN AWAY

    September 25, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Mark

      And why should he be responsible for loaning out money???? If a perfect stranger asked you for a loan, would you do it???

      September 25, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Sammy

      He sure is laughing all the way to the bank, although maybe he won't be laughing so hard on the return trip when he slips on the oil slick that he had left behind on the inbound trip.

      September 26, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Huh??

      Hee hee! He must've discovered the secret to getting camels to jump through needle eyes (or could it be that he's actually a disbeliever who's gleefully (just look a that grin!) fleecing the gullible?)!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • Veritas

      Mark. He asks perfect strangers for gifts – frequently. How else did he amass $40 million? This prosperity gospel certainly makes the pastors prosperous.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • Rob-Texas

      Veritas, though his book sales. He asked the church to reduce his salery, and maybe eleimiate it. I don't remember. Ether way he makes less that other pasters of large Houston chuches. Maybe you should talk about something you know about instead of pretending you know how.

      September 27, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  13. Atheism is Great for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

    It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and lets them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago. (Yes, charlatan folklore and spam started long before the Bible; what would make you think they hadn't?) And they need to be taught that other things, like God, we really don't know a damn thing about.

    Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Many religious folk have the best intentions. But too often, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society). And too often, religious folk are easily offended when someone mocks their make-believe characters – and, as we can see they can get really CRAZY!

    Although there are many religious folk with good intentions – some selflessly helping others, religions and religious organizations are, as a whole, just big old clubs – each trying to out do each other and inspiring hate and division (often disguised as love) along the way. The problem is that people too easily buy into religion and don't realize how unfounded it all is. And when they buy into it, they buy into a lot of really old, really weird tenets that are nothing but harmful for the human species.

    Take Christianity, for instance. Just look at all the things that Christians argue about amongst themselves today – abortion, men's and women's roles in the church, celibacy, contraception, acceptance of gays, etc. Most of these issues have their roots in the conflicted, unfounded tenets of early Christianity. Non-Mormons harp on Joseph Smith these days. But we really don't have any more proof at all to believe that Paul, the self-proclaimed "apostle" was anything more than an ordinary man who needed to make up religious "sales literature" to survive and spread his own personal beliefs. And yet a good chunk of the NT is attributed to Paul and accepted by many Christians. And a lot of what he wrote about has to do with many of the issues I mentioned above that have Christians fighting amongst themselves hundreds of years later. It's way too unfounded to argue over.

    Get a good cup of tea, and sit down and collect your thoughts. If you find it helpful to pray to a god, fine. But it is really healthier for the mind to leave behind all the characters that people over the centuries have invented or given powers to, for which there is little or no foundation. Because with those invented characters and powers – that's where division and hate join the little party in your mind. That's where, in your mind, you are inheriting the division and hate from ordinary politicians, lobbyists and salesmen from long ago. My goodness.

    mama kindless

    September 25, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Pinewalker

      STOP SPAMMING! I see your same post again and again COPY-PASTE MUCH??

      September 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • sanityisrare

      You'll see how "healthy" it is once you breath your last breath. If I'm wrong I've lost nothing...if you are wrong...

      September 26, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'sanityisrare' is a form of the flawed argument known as Pascal's Wager.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      September 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Huh??

      Pinewalker, he/she is just trying to spread the 'ggod news'!! Lighten up!! If you don't like what it says stop reading it!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:19 am |
  14. Richard

    OK, I'm done with this forum. They have a story on "hom o se xuality" – but, we can't say that word in our comments.

    September 25, 2012 at 8:05 am |
  15. Richard

    What makes CNN think I care what an adult clown with an imaginary friend thinks about anything?

    September 25, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • Doc Magnus

      Matthew 6:5-6 should be read by a few more christianites so they can be Christian:

      “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

      September 25, 2012 at 8:11 am |
  16. dean

    A bigot, basing his assertions on stone age philosophy.

    September 25, 2012 at 7:41 am |
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    September 24, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
  18. Reality

    Joel, Joel, Joel,

    Please respond to the following:

    o "Abrahamics" like yourself believe that your god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    September 24, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • rfoster20

      all 3 of those guys were gay ... some science.

      September 25, 2012 at 2:54 am |
    • Joel

      Yes. This condition was once considered a disease until gays took over the APA.

      September 26, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • Rob-Texas

      Please list the studies that show every ga-y person did not make a choice. I believe most don't but some do.
      Also, there is no gene found for being ga-y. Actually the current thoughts are that it has to do with an embalance of estrogen and testosterine in the womb. If that turns out to be correct, what if that could prevent the embalance?
      Yes God created all, but our polution, habits and tendencies do not allow us to have the full healthy potential.

      September 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • ...

      Rob: please provide the link to the study that shows that god created all. oh and learn how to spell or go back to public school

      September 28, 2012 at 4:30 am |
  19. TC

    " Morgan – God does NOT create what he disapproves of."

    Exactly!

    Which is how we know that God does not disapprove of those He created with ONLY the ability to be attracted to and fall in love with the same gender.

    September 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  20. Dave

    Hmmm, one comment in Levitticus and nothing else. A practical view of the Hebrew Scriptures reveals that the survival of the community was behind this particular comment. People are born gay or straight, God made them this way. Or are you in the group that believes that God makes mistakes?

    September 24, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Morgan

      God does NOT create what he disapproves of.

      September 24, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
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