September 20th, 2012
01:41 PM ET

soundoff (795 Responses)
  1. Sdgman

    Opening statement... "when you came on Piers Morgan...". BwahahahaHAHAHAHAAAAAA

    October 2, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • ohmygod50

      Ha! What a creepy person........makes you want to walk away from religion altogether........he is gay.......who cares? But he steals from his 'congregation' every day...........what a pathetic loser........but those that believe in this piece of crap....they are the reason we lag behind India and China as far as education goes............dumbing down America........vote for Romney, and we will never recover.......

      October 2, 2012 at 1:24 am |
  2. Sherri

    Ask a friend, who is gay, if they CHOSE to be gay. Really. Ask them. They will tell you that they knew they were different when they were maybe 3 years old. This is what MY gay friends have told me. They never had a choice. It is just the way they were from the earliest time they can remember. They were born this way.
    Also, I do believe that Joel IS gay and is not admitting it. I bet some day he does though. Some day he'll 'come out' and admit what he feels. For now, he's in the closet. I know others like that.

    October 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  3. Bruce

    Whether a Choice or not it is still abnormal, destructive, and is a sickness........Funny ...liberals are only "Pro-choice " about one single issue ....that involves DEATH

    October 1, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Abnormal? Destructive? A sickness? How so?

      October 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  4. cberth

    i do believe it is a choice...for example Joel Osteen is clearly gay and has chosen to live a lie....but for most people who are truly honest you are born gay...if you dont believe so...im curious how much you stuggle with the decision to felate or not to felate.. im not gay and the thought scares me

    October 1, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • louie garcia

      you are not gay.. .. Joel Osteen is... I think you are sick!!

      October 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
  5. Erik

    "It is a choice."

    Being gay is not a choice science, in fact, is actually not in dispute on this matter.

    All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.

    Reparative therapy, also called conversion therapy or reorientation therapy, "counsels" LGBT persons to pray fervently and study Bible verses, often utilizing 12-step techniques that are used to treat sexual addictions or trauma. Such Christian councilors are pathologizing homosexuality, which is not a pathology but is a sexual orientation. Psychologically, that's very dangerous territory to tread on. All of the above-mentioned medical professional organizations, in addition to the American and European Counseling Associations, stand strongly opposed to any form of reparative therapy.

    In my home country, Norway, reparative therapy is officially considered to be ethical malpractice. But there are many countries that do not regulate the practice, and many others that remain largely silent and even passively supportive of it (such as the Philippines). Groups that operate such "therapy" in the Philippines are the Evangelical Bagong Pag-asa, and the Catholic Courage Philippines.

    The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.

    On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"

    Take this interesting paragraph I found on an Evangelical website: "The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" – meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are 'born that way.'"

    But that's not at all what it means, and it seems Evangelicals are plucking out stand-alone phrases from scientific reports and removing them from their context. This is known in academia as the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Interestingly, this is also what they have a habit of doing with verses from the Bible.

    This idea of sexuality being a choice is such a bizarre notion to me as a man of science. Many of these reparative "therapists" are basing this concept on a random Bible verse or two. When you hold those up against the mountain of scientific research that has been conducted, peer-reviewed, and then peer-reviewed again, it absolutely holds no water. A person's sexuality – whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual – is a very deep biological piece of who that person is as an individual.

    The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.

    Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).

    Furthermore, there are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

    Having said that, in the realm of legal rights, partnership rights, and anti-discrimination protections, the gay gene vs. choice debate is actually quite irrelevant. Whether or not something is a choice is not a suitable criterion for whether someone should have equal rights and protections. Religion is indisputably a choice, but that fact is a not a valid argument for discriminating against a particular religion.

    October 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  6. ayC Davis

    Being gay is a choice.....you are not born that way!!!!! It's a perverted existence and is disgusting. That is what Joel Osteen needs to say!!!

    October 1, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • lauren

      No it is not a choice. Get some education.

      October 1, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • C Davis

      It is a choice.

      October 1, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Being gay is a choice.....you are not born that way!!!!! It's a perverted existence and is disgusting"

      Too lazy to do your homework huh? The experts in this country disagree with you.

      Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      October 1, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • fred

      Give it a rest and stop contributing to the early death of ho-mo$exuals with your lies. The $exually transmitted disease continues to take its toll because of your lies. Medically it is proven unhealthy; medically it is known that an entire community lives 20 years less than average because of the way they choose to live. Orientation is not a choice but what you do with your orientation is a choice. STOP IT before more unnecessary death, pain and suffering is caused by your lies.
      If you want to be helpful to the community go tell them the truth not the lies the $ex bullies are pushing on the weak ones. Shame on you.

      October 1, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The $exually transmitted disease continues to take its toll because of your lies. Medically it is proven unhealthy; medically it is known that an entire community lives 20 years less than average because of the way they choose to live. Orientation is not a choice but what you do with your orientation is a choice. STOP IT before more unnecessary death, pain and suffering is caused by your lies."

      fred your prejudice stupidity is showing since you could use the same argument against straights or are you leaving out Africa in your stupid argument. Duh!

      October 1, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • fred

      Yeah Right
      There you go again. The problems in Africa are very different than in the United States. The early death rate is directly related to the lifestyle. Take a look at just how you went to lie and trap some innocent young man in the United States by twisting the truth. You point to Africa and it feeds the thought my life and my choice are not in my control. Well they are in your control. We know exactly how to get the ho-mo$exual life expectancy closer to normal. Lies like yours are what gets in the way. What is your gig are you somehow profiting from the disease or intentional misinformation given out in the ho-mo$exuual communities?

      October 1, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Over the past 20 years on these intertubes hundreds of thousands of these fundiot hômophobic nutters have claimed that gays choose to be gay.

      Over the past 20 years on these interwebz hundreds of thousands of times we have asked these fundiot nutters to post the citations to peer-reviewed scientific research showing gays choose to be gay, and thus by corollary, that we straights choose to be straight.

      Sadly, after hundreds of thousands of requestss, not a single solitary fundiot nutter has ever posted a single solitary citation. Not once. Ever. In fact, they hardly ever respond to these requests. Well, other than to damn us to hell.

      Seriously, it's almost like you nutters are just making this crap up.

      October 1, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • fred

      How is it you cannot separate choice from predisposition? I am not talking about a choice to be born with excess hormones or lack thereof. Straight and Gay both have choices to make with the cards they were dealt in life. A small portion of the straight community also exhibits risky life style behavior. In the insurance industry we used to charge higher premiums or decline coverage based on lifestyle. It is well known in the medical and insurance profession the cost of risky lifestyle choices.
      Unless you are attempting to say being Gay means you enjoy risky behavior and you were born that way.

      October 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "fred" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degnerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" deganerates to:
      "captain america" degnerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degnerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degnerates to:
      "fred" degnerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" or "...."
      and many other names, also probably "ayC Davis" but of course I prefer to refer to this H0MOPHOBE as
      the disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer".

      October 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • fred

      Truth be trolled
      Amazing you go for the ho-mophobe line. This is typical when you have no out and know you are in the wrong. You also do a great disservice to the gay community by failure to tell the truth. Just because you are gay does not mean you conduct yourself in such a manner that is known to result in an early grave. This is the problem when bullies pick on the weak. They lie and twist what is right in order to control them. There is a choice and is the same choice a straight would make when it comes to putting an end to needless suffering in a community.

      October 1, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • todd in DC

      That means being straight is a choice too. What men turn you on, Davis?

      October 2, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Patricia

      "This is the problem when bullies pick on the weak. They lie and twist what is right in order to control them. There is a choice and is the same choice a straight would make when it comes to putting an end to needless suffering in a community."

      Having a loving relationship with someone that loves you and will spend their life with you is not needless suffering. There is disease and suffering in both groups which makes your point moot.

      October 2, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
  7. David Crosby

    I agree that Osteen looks gay..Acts gay..Probably another Ted Haggard in waiting..

    October 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  8. Lucky Satanist

    Osteen is so deep in the closet he is finding old christmas presents.

    October 1, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • birdhouse9

      And right past them, stands you?

      October 1, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • todd in DC

      I think the expression is, Olsteen is so closeted he is in Narnia.

      October 2, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Milton

      Joel Osteen has all the answers. How does he support himself? He's standing on a turtle's back and it's turtles all the way down.

      October 4, 2012 at 5:51 am |
  9. JayzLookin

    The problem here is with the sodomite act –the using of body parts for that for which they were never intended. That is why it is called a perversion –it perverts the use for which these parts were created. They were designed for a specific purpose, but the sodomite act perverts their intended use. The very nature of their design and function proves their correct and intended usage.

    October 1, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bullsh!t. There is no "creation" or "creator" involved. None. Furthermore, straight couples engage in this practice all the time. In addition, you idiot, you have completely ignored the fact that lesbians, who are not as likely as their gay counterparts to engage in a nal s3x, are no less reviled by ignoramuses like you. Are their acts okey dokey because they don't include s0domy?

      October 1, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I wonder, Jayz, is it a "perversion" in your book to use your fingers to operate a car radio or type on a computer? Obviously when your "god" "created" man, such devices didn't exist. Therefore, the finger was not intended for such a use.

      Is it a "perversion" to use your head for something besides a hat rack? Is that why you never do so?

      October 1, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The ONLY thing their "design and function proves" is that evolution occurred.

      October 1, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • myweightinwords

      If men were never meant to be penetrated anally, why is the prostate located where it is?

      It would seem to me that something so tied to the male orgasm would be located in a place where it could and would be simulated during "normal" sexual activity.

      October 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  10. jms

    since gays like poop smell so much do they even flush?

    September 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Steve Chirico

      Jms – pretty strong feelings.... Makes me wonder: why it is so disturbing to you? . Most straight guys shudder, then move on to something else.

      Seems you think about this quite a lot... Your comments are very specific. Totally incorrect, but very specific.

      September 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  11. Flooby

    JMS it appears you have issues.

    September 30, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • jms

      just dont like the gayness, its gross

      September 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nope, jms, you're definitely fixated. I wonder why?

      October 1, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • truth be trolled

      Do you think, Tom, there's any chance that jms might just be our beloved disgruntled ex
      Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer"? lol. of course it is. lol.

      October 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  12. Flooby

    Osteen is the biggest nut biter out there. Seriously, look at his hair.

    September 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  13. jms

    no h o m o

    September 30, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  14. jms

    gay should still be in mental health book

    September 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  15. jms

    gaylord is bad

    September 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  16. jms

    mu ham ed was gay bait, jesus was not

    September 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  17. jms

    gay is un natural period

    September 30, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  18. jms

    man up osteen and tell everyone gay goes to the lake of fire

    September 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
  19. jms

    i declare gay is gross

    September 30, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • jug2452

      @jms, you are a neo zandweebie

      October 1, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  20. jms

    gay is perv, straights are normalmente

    September 30, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
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