My Take: I don't know if Jesus was married (and I don't care)
September 21st, 2012
09:28 AM ET

My Take: I don't know if Jesus was married (and I don't care)

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define a Nation," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

A few years ago I wrote a book about Jesus in the American imagination. What I learned along the way is that the American Jesus is a Gumby-like figure who can twist and turn in almost any direction.

Our Jesus has been black and white, gay and straight, a socialist and a capitalist, a pacifist and a warrior, a civil rights activist and a Ku Klux Klansman. Over the American centuries, he has stood not on some unchanging rock of ages but on the shifting sands of economic circumstances, political calculations and cultural trends.

Part Proteus, part Paul (who called himself "all things to all men"), he became during the Victorian period a sentimental Savior. During the Progressive era of Teddy Roosevelt’s Rough Riders, he flexed his muscles and carried a big stick. During the counterculture of the 1960s and 1970s, he grew his hair long and strummed his guitar for peace.

Now, in an era in which Americans are debating who can marry and have sex with whom, we are given a Jesus who has given his body and soul in marriage, at least if we are to believe the scrap of ancient papyrus soon coming, via Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King and the Smithsonian Channel, to a television set near you.

“Jesus said, ‘My wife,'” this Coptic papyrus reads, and since King announced her finding at a Coptic studies conference in Rome on Tuesday, the world is trying to imagine not only what manner of man (and god) this might be, but what sort of woman he might have taken into his marriage bed.

As for the question everyone is asking — was Jesus married? — the only correct answer is that we do not know.

There are all sorts of reasons to be skeptical about this find. First, according to King it is owned by an anonymous dealer who is willing to give the fragment to Harvard, but only if it buys other parts of his collection.

Second, we don’t yet know anything about where this fragment was supposedly found or by whom, and the world of ancient Jewish and Christian manuscripts is replete with fakes and fakers.

Third, even if the papyrus is genuine, it points only to one author quoting Jesus as referring to his wife. Perhaps that author was simply trying to push the early Christian tradition away from a preference for celibacy over marriage.

Or perhaps the reference is to some symbolic or spiritual “wife,” rather than one of the flesh-and-blood type. (In the New Testament Jesus already refers to himself as the bridegroom.)

In the end, what intrigues me about this tiny fragment (it measures roughly 1.5-by-3 inches) is the huge hype. The original Belief Blog piece on this story has over 4,000 comments and counting. And a Smithsonian documentary is in the works for September 30.

Jesus may be one of the best attested figures in the ancient world, but we still know hardly anything about him. And because he is the key figure in the largest religion in the world, we are keen to fill in the blanks.

The Jewish tradition has a name for this: midrash, which refers to a way of storytelling that fills in the gaps. This is what Americans have been doing for centuries with Jesus. Not sure where he was during his “lost years” from the end of his childhood to the beginning of his ministry? Send him off to India. Not sure how he looked? Draw a painting or carve a statue.

What is going on here, as I see it, is a reluctance to say, “I don’t know.”

The truth of the matter is that we don’t know what Jesus looked like. We don’t know where he was or what he was doing when he turned 18. And we don’t know if he was ever married or divorced.

What we do know is that we live in a country besotted with Jesus and in an age obsessed with marriage and sexuality and the body, which is why this tiny papyrus is making such big waves.

As for me, I don’t much care what Jesus thought about marriage, or whether he engaged in it. I think we as a society tend to collapse religion far too readily into bedroom questions, as if Jesus came into the world to tell us with whom we should be having sex, and how.

I’m more interested in what Jesus has to say about wealth and poverty, the rich and the poor. And there is plenty in the available record to read and heed, "if only we have ears to hear."

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Coptic • Jesus • Sexuality • United States

soundoff (2,026 Responses)
  1. Jokesterer

    This guy is a heretic! But so were Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Brahe, and Newton. Not too shabby company.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • The Truth

      heretic = rational thinking person not willing to accept the bull shlt being force fed them just because it seems to be the only thing on the menu at the time.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:33 pm |

      The Truth, who told you that? A headline grabbin', money grubbin', sheepskin sellin', holywood idol makin' grovester type of Athenaite? Or just ol' Bud?

      September 21, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Galileo was never convicted of heresy and never professed heretical views. His problems with the Church were political
      Copernicus was buried as a heretic but later conferred honor from the Church.
      Kepler and Brahe were never accused of heresy though their models for the universe were challenged by the Church on scientific basis. Martin Luther attacked Kepler for his views but the Catholic Church did not.
      Newton is branded a heretic not by the Church but by scholars for his rejection of religious dogma, not his science

      September 21, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill D.

      Giordano Bruno was however burned at the stake for the heresy of thinking that the stars were like our sun and might have planets with people on them, just like us.

      September 21, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • The Truth

      @Mud – Rational thinking told me that. I willingly admit I am a heretic.

      September 21, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
  2. nino

    Stop all this wasted words over your imaginary friend.........do something more constructive like pick your nose.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  3. Michael J.

    Jesus said "I am the son of God and you are all my brothers and sisters". There you have it, we are equal to Jesus according to his own words. Now, get on your knees and pray to my image every night before you go to sleep.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Dr. Donnel Johnson

      @Michael J.

      If you read the Gnostic Gospel of Phillip, you will see that, "...indeed I say unto you that we are but drops in the sea, each one a ripple makes..."

      Phillip goes on to say that, "...be not one but part of the whole. Be not in disconnect, but hold firmly and endure…”

      Scholars believe these two passages are very revealing. What do they reveal?

      Jesus, being deaf, identified with "Mother Earth" in such a way that swimming and wrestling were very enjoyable to him, and this is something he wanted to share with his disciples.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      From a doctor, pundit, trickster self proclaimed doctor. Watch his Pandora box, full of ticks before he can fool any one.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:57 pm |

    The default for man is being ruled by a god. Look how even the states in the ol' USA bow down to the feds. The diverse beast, AKA the pale horse, is a sight to behold.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • The Truth

      The default for man is self rule, there is no God as you would like to define it. Your faith is empty and just a facade to cover over your own personal failings that you have never taken responsibility for. You are a sad, pathetic excuse for the incredible process of evolution that got you here which you reject and replace with an illogical intangible. Hopefully there will be far more great minds free of the shackles of religion born in the next generation to offset all the evil organized religion and their spineless sheep have done to our planet.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm |

      The Truth, I perceive you have some kind of corrupted 'blessed hope' sitting on your throne.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Have Mud

      Do you just try to find the most irrelevant bullshit to respond to people with?

      September 21, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Christianity and Islam is a mental disease- FACT

      Mud clearly needs mental help...he thinks there is a magical pale horse running around

      September 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • The Truth

      I sit on my throne. No one may live my life for me, and no invisible creatures effect my actions, I do. And I, unlike yourself, take responsibility for those actions.

      "No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path." Buddha

      September 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm |

      The Truth, then why do you quote Bud? Was he married with children?

      September 21, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  5. AvdBerg

    Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life (John 14:6) and neither is there salvation in any other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12).

    The Jesus figure portrayed by Stephen Prothero is not the true Christ. His books and articles are a mere heresy. He might be a so-called scholar at Boston University but he is spiritually blind (1 Cor. 2:14) and we invite you to read the article ‘Boston University – School of Theology and Stonehill College’, listed on our website http://www.aaaworlddeceived.ca

    Also, are those that are referred to as ‘Christians’ by the media really the followers of Jesus Christ or do they follow after a false Christ (Matthew 24:24) and why is there so much division amongst religions? Please read on.

    The above mentioned article by Stephen Prothero is a good example how distorted things have become in society with the media industry as the main culprit.

    The local media, including CNN, Fox and your local TV stations and newspapers are a very important element of social and political behavior, as society is shaped by what it sees, hears and reads and it is conditioned by the events that influence the mind of every person. You reap what you sow.

    To allow anyone to be directed by public opinion is dangerous because most public opinion is the view of the media. If the media does not like something, their bias taints information getting to the public, and this forms public opinion. Public opinion is never based on research and facts. The public uses the media for its sole source of information and for this reason social behavior will continue to deteriorate and wax worse and worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

    For a better understanding of the role of the media we invite you to read the articles ‘Influence of the Media’ and ‘CNN Belief Blog – Sign of the Times’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    The media does not provide accurate information on ‘Religion’ as it continues to ignore the truth and the history of deceptions (John 14:17). They only report how they want you to hear things. They have created the big chasm that now exists without offering any solutions.

    Consider the truth about Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Judaism, Evangelicals and Christianity and all other religions and ask yourself the following question.

    Are so-called Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, Israelites and Evangelicals and all those that call themselves ‘Christians’ followers of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God, or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8)?

    For a better understanding of the history of Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Christianity, and Judaism and its spread throughout the world, we invite you to read the articles ‘The Mystery Babylon’, ‘Can Christianity or Any Other Religion Save You?’, ‘World History and Developments in the Middle East’ and ‘Clash of Civilizations’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    Mitt Romney’s and Barack Obama’s faith does not stand in the teachings of Christ but rather in an image of the spirit and the god of this world and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8).

    For a better understanding of the history of the Mormon Church and Mitt Romney’s quest for the Presidency of the USA, we invite you to read the articles ‘Mormon Church – Cult and Spiritual Harlot’ and ‘Barack Obama – President of the United States of America’, listed on our website.

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Advertising thief.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      midwest rail

      It is people like you that provide us with the free advertising.

      But the natural man (like yourself) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:15).

      For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God (Acts 26:18).

      But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man (1 Cor 2:15).


      September 21, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • midwest rail

      False, but you already knew that. You may fancy yourself an insightful scribe, when you are nothing more than a deluded, self-published hack. And, in the end, nothing more than a common thief.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Joe

      Report abuse on all AvdBerg linkspam.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Unafiliated

      "Public opinion is never based on research and facts." If, by the "public", you mean everyone that is not you, then I can assure you that my research into the facts shows that Jesus of Nazareth was a real man, the son of Mary, and probably also the son of a kid in Mary's neighborhood who had a motorcycle.

      I'm pretty tolerant of religion in general, though I am an Atheist. But when you start preaching, calling others blasphemers, pulling down other religions, and accusing all others of simply being misled or uninformed, my tolerance comes to an end.

      Save your hate speech for where it belongs: at church.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      If you wish to discuss this in person fele free. Here's my info

      Andy van den Berg


      September 21, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Chud

      Hey Andy,

      You're yard is a mess!

      September 21, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  6. Matters of the Mind

    Actually, if Jesus had a dual nature, human and divine, it might even be logical for him to marry to further associate himself with our human side. (and potentially understand the joys and sorrows of married life). Further, as the author points out it is a fragment, Could it have been the beginning of a parable? In the end, it matters not, as Jesus would say it is up to us via free will if we choose to believe or not...the essence of belief in God is faith, not scientific evidence. Science and religion are complimentary, not contradictory. All up to you folks if you want to believe it or not.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism, absurdity of a Mithriac hindu, Christian.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      NBA-ism, absurdity of a Center trade to Lakers, LA.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Abinadi

      God, his father, had a wife. How can a father be a father without a wife? So, why not Jesus?

      September 21, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      yes, we know. The notion of a married Jesus is not problematic in any way for Mormonism.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      the theological questions are not related to Jesus' human nature, but his divine nature, particularly as it pertains to the trinity.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  7. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Teachings of son of blessed Mary were about truth absolute, essence of existence, not hinduism, denial of truth absolute.

    Figure of hindu, fabricate Jesus is nothing more than a , innovation by use of Son of blessed Mary, twisted and molded by hindu's, deniers of truth absolute in any direction to justify hinduism, denial of truth absolute, hinduism criminality of hindu criminal Roman Kings and their hindu criminal self proclaimed prophets, fortune tellers, forced upon hindu's, ignorant by force to deny human equality by corruption of truth absolute. Way of hindu Magi's, criminal tricksters to hind, fool humanity by making them believe in some one who never existed. Why hindu pagan french of hindu pagan Persian heritage source of hindu Mithra ism, pagan savior ism labeled as Christianity hate Muslims and Isalm. to learn more visit limitisthetruth.com/blog.html and click on word Choice to open file.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Jokesterer


      September 21, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Teachings of son of blessed Bum Phillips were about truth obsolete, essence of offense, not defense, denial of 3-4 absolute.

      Figure of fat man, fabricate coach is nothing more than a , innovation by use of dad in houston, twisted and molded by nfl rules, deniers of truth absolute in any conference to justify clipping, denial of chop blocking, AFC criminality of south criminal officials and their booth replay criminal self proclaimed experts , fortune tellers, forced upon teams , ignorant by force to deny receptions by corruption of truth absolute. Way of corrupt filthy replacemtn officials criminal tricksters to hind, fool Las Vegas by making wagers on games they officiate. Why let them on field source of bad calls strike source of corruption NFL-ism labled as professional football. to learn more visit nfl.com and click on word week 3 schedule to open file.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Matters of the Mind

      You need help...quickly!

      September 21, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Timmy

      Hindu's are super cool and awesome, probably the nicest people on the face of the Earth.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  8. MennoKnight

    Check Out This:

    September 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Dr. Donnel Johnson

      Many in my field believe that the many references to Jesus as being "dumb" were in fact a reference to the fact that he was mute. This has given further creedence to the well know assertion that Jesus did not deliver the "sermon on the mound" but instead "signed" his wisdom to the deaf community present at the time.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      Damn that treacherous "Taurus " he sold the lamb of God "Mithras" to the Romans for 30 pieces of silver; i would have lest gotten a gold piece out of the deal.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      1. Written in 1280 BC the Book of the Dead
      a. Wrong, it is even older, oldest edition are from 1550BC – with newer editions made up to around 50 BC
      2. Horus Born of a Virgin
      a. Horus’ parents were Osiris (father) and Isis (mother). He was conceived after his father had been killed by his uncle. His uncle killed his father and then cut him up and threw him into the river which were eaten by crocodiles. Mom then got all the pieces out, put them back together and then got pregnant.
      b. Dad dies once again shortly after that.
      i. That is hardly the definition of virgin birth now isn’t it?
      3. Baptized in a River
      a. There is no mention of baptism other than mom hiding Horus in a basket of reeds in the Nile River from his uncle who wanted to kill him.
      b. Baptism is not invented until around 400BC and this was invented by Jews during their time in Babylon and Persia as part of a ceremony for people who wanted to convert to Judaism.
      4. Baptizer who is later beheaded
      a. No baptizer mentioned, a friend did get beheaded by that bad uncle in one version.
      5. Tempted in the Desert
      a. He did hide in the desert from the uncle after his friend was killed. That makes sense but that hardly sounds anything like the story of Jesus being tempted in the desert.
      6. Healed the sick and the blind
      a. He did heal the sick and the blind in the story.
      7. Cast out Demons
      a. No mention of casting out demons.
      8. Walked on Water
      a. He hid in the water, not walked on it!
      9. Raised a Man from the Dead named Lazarus
      a. He did not raise anybody from the dead, his mother did raise his father from the dead only long enough to get pregnant!
      10. 12 Disciples
      a. No mention of number of followers or disciples.
      b. Horus is the god of war and hunting and he taught his followers to make iron weapons.
      11. Crucified
      a. Biggest mistake here yet, crucifixion was not invented until around 500 BC by the Persians and then perfected by the Romans with a cross around 150BC. Oh and Horus
      12. Resurrected from the Dead
      a. Horus never dies in any of the stories! He defeats his uncle and becomes the chief God of the Egyptians. Pharaoh is the living embodiment of Horus.
      13. Was Born December 25
      a. This is true that Horus’ birthday is celebrated December 25, that is the day traditionally linked to the shortest day of the year in ancient times.
      b. This is because Horus’ birth was to be celebrated on the darkest day of human history and from then on it only got better!
      c. Jesus was NOT born on December 25, the Church decided to celebrate Christ’s birth on that date for political reasons around 312 AD in order to supplant Winter festivities such as Horus’ birthday.
      d. Christmas is a man made holiday not a Biblical holiday celebrated by the early church.

      September 21, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  9. george alaimo

    OMG this is blasphimous to christianity. We should go and burn all of the embassies of what ever country the annonymous dealer belongs to. We should call an end to the degrading of our christ! This is intolerable! Death to Whomever! Then again. . . SO WHAT.

    September 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Dr. Donnel Johnson

      Did you know that in the Gospel of Thomas, it is written that Jesus relied heavily on Thomas saying, "...it is a weary day dream that Thomas earns great victory in quenching the thirst of my people."

      It was incorrectly translated from the Coptic to mean that "Thomas the Contender" was a champion for Jesus, when in fact; Jesus was referring to Thomas' ability to mix wine-based c.o.cktails! We often joke that he should have been called, "Thomas the Bartender".

      September 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  10. Dood

    Isn't anyone aware that the Churchn – which is not a building, but God's people – was and is often referred to as Christ's bride?

    September 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Only only by hinduism, absurdity of a pot head hindu, ignorant, Son of blessed Mary had nothing to do with hindu Church, criminal dungeon of hinduism, illegality, inovation of hindu Jew's, filthy self centered to fool humanity.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Only only by brewing fresh, absurdity of freeze dried coffee, ignorant, Son of blessed Chile Juan Valdez had nothing to do with starbucks, criminal chain of burnt coffee, illegality, inovation of fast food, filthy self centered to please stock holders.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Timmy

      I love Hind's, especially the pot head ones.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  11. Reid

    This is Blashphemy plain and simple-it is foretold that in the END TIMES this very thing would happen how blind we all have become, calloused and blind. Just because 2000 plus years have gone by- how have we drifted. So sad- and sad taht people cannot realize that the name JESUS was very popular in those days-furthermore- if it were true why wasn't it NOT written and in the Bible and when Crucified, why wasn't she there or anything else/ I am NOT a BIBLE SCHOLAR but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see through this nonsense. Many are going through life now with a selfish, ME mentality and so forth. No wonder the GREAT USA has lost it's GRACE-no wonder the WRATH soon to come upon this earth has to happen at all...how blind--it's NOT ABOUT US--realize that!

    September 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • The Truth

      You are nothing more than a deluded psychopath who is wasting his free speech on worthless and meanigless doctrine that only serves to divide this country. Go peddle your poisonous snake oil somewhere else.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest


      RANDOM words in capital LETTERS MAKE my post much more LIKELY TO be taken SERIOUSLY!

      September 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Michael J.

      The name "JESUS" didn't even exist when Jesus lived. His name was "Yahweh", not Jesus. For someone calling this article blasphemy, you know surprisingly little about "Jesus".

      September 21, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Michael J.,

      "Yahweh" or "YHWH" or "Yahuwa", "Yahuah", or "Yehuah" is the OT Hebrew name for "God". "Jesus" could have perhaps been Yeshua, or something like that.

      If you are a Christian, it is shocking how little you know.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • The Truth

      @Michael J – Not that I care, but you are wrong, none of the greek scriptures ever uses the tetragramiton to describe Jesus. Infact, he was killed for blasphemy when the priests accused him of claiming to be the son of Yahweh. Even using the name aloud at that time could get you killed for taking the name in vain, which is why later scriptures had the original name of God changed to "Lord" or "God" or "Almighty God". But no, Jesus was never refered to, at least according to the bible, as Yahweh.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • sam

      I thought his name was Jeshua. And isn't Yahweh actually an old Sumerian war god?

      September 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Hammer Of The Gods

      This is Blashphemy plain and simple.

      The only thing plain and simple was your response.
      Why would it matter if Jesus was married ?
      You know that little story in your book about Jesus
      at a wedding turning water into wine ?
      Guess who was the groom at that wedding.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  12. joe

    The absurdity of it is laughable.

    God gets tired of running the universe for 14 billion years. So God comes up with an idea to force his God wigglies into a 12 yeard old girl in the middle east. Then God splits himself into 2 beings and pops himself out as a middle eastern baby. Then It disappears for 30 years. Then It shows up lecturing for 3 years. Then It fake kills itself and comes back to prove to a handful of middle easterners that It's really god. Then It disappears again forever. And all this supposedly to lift the curse that God Itself put on all mankind because Eve ate the fruit from the tree God put in front of her even though It knew she would before It put the tree there.

    Naw, nothing unbelievable about that story is there. .

    September 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Jokesterer

      You're not supposed to think about it logically.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      don't forget the part about God ignoring the rest of the world – Asia, India, the Americas, etc – so Satan (having finished burying all the dinosaur bones and writing the Hindu Vedas) can get busy being Allah, Confucius and the Buddha.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  13. Starstuff

    We all should care... what other lies can be found in some obscure manuscript.

    September 21, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Dr. Donnel Johnson

      We know that the so called "missionary position" was so named after Jesus walked in on Mary Magdalene and Joseph having relations. He condemned their activities saying, "...you have soiled my sheets, you have confused my mission and compromised my position."

      September 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  14. PraiseTheLard

    "the American Jesus is a Gumby-like figure" ??? No... that would be "Dumby"...

    September 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  15. Martin Luther

    Ask the Pope if he cares.

    September 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Pope Rope Nope III

      No. The Pope is a fraud and a liar and is a habitual premature ejaculator, in that he like to ejaculate on boy's who are pre mature...

      September 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  16. Jokesterer

    Now we know what he meant when he said he would come again.

    September 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • The Pope

      All over my face...!

      September 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  17. lazurite

    Thank you. So many people do care that it's refreshing to see others like me who feel that the "marriage or not" question is totally irrevelvant. Honestly, shouldn't people be listening to the message, not focusing on something like this?

    September 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  18. Chat Pata

    Catholic Church cares. If it is proven that the character Jesus, whether he existed or not, married to a woman, the thousands of years old concept of celibacy comes down. There would be questions if other Christian beliefs are also valid or not e.g. the fat corporate spokesman Santa exists or not 🙂

    September 21, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Not neccesarily

      September 21, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      of course you are correct that whether Jesus was married or not is only indirectly related to a celibate clergy, but the notion of a married Jesus has profound implications to the divinity of Jesus, particularly as it pertains to the notion of the trinity.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  19. mk

    Who cares if Jesus was married?

    Christians do, because if he was married and had children, he then has descendants of which are living among us and there goes his "only son of god" status. Doesn't anyone wonder why the bible skips such a huge swath of time between when he was a boy and a man and never mentions his marital status or personal relationships?? The book has been edited over and over to suit the needs of the religious nuts.

    September 21, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Chat Pata

      ... not to mention that the Christian bible was written three hundred years after Jesus supposedly existed, by apostles who supposedly existed.

      September 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Chat, you should do some studying before you comment. There are atheist as well s believers on here who will rip you apart for your inaccuracies

      September 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I have a lot of trouble dealing with views that oppose mine.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest


      Wrong on many points. The "Old Testament" was written over a long period of time but was not compiled into any kind of format, as was the "New Testament" of which the earliest writings are dated between 70-100AD. You're talking about the council of Nicea, where Constantine and a bunch of other old repressed religious zealots decided they had some kind of divine right to decide which books were god inspired.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Parfin Woodell

      Chat, you should do some studying before you comment...

      Dont you just hate it when some ignorant moron with a different belief
      just assumes that you have never read the book.
      Its like those little jerks who yell...Wake up America,
      like we are all in some fog.
      Usually its from a Christian or a Republican.
      Figures, after all they think they know everything.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Hawaii and I are almost always diametrically opposed but his correction is accurate. Don't say I didn't warn you.

      September 21, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  20. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    Two observations.

    1. This is nothing new. Copts have claimed that Jesus was married for centuries. They broke with the Latin Christian church in 451 over the issue of the divine nature of Jesus.

    2. For those who want to evaluate the theological implications of a married Jesus for traditions that derive from the Latin church, they are really substantial.

    The Latin tradition is a carefully crafted house of cards that a married Jesus disrupts entirely.

    Jesus is God.
    Even as a man, Jesus is without sin – both original sin (immaculate conception) and during his life.
    His crucifixion is the manumission of 'our' sins – not his own sins (he is sinless)
    He cannot be a fornicator (this is a sin)
    Marriages are permanent in the eyes of God
    If Jesus marries a woman, he is permanently married in eternity
    So, the eternal God is now married to a mortal woman
    Jesus, Yahweh and the spirit are one God in the trinity.
    So, Yahweh and the spirit are also married to a mortal woman for eternity who is not ressurected until the last day?

    See what a mess this makes!

    Which is why so many posters want to deny this and say that this meant 'Jesus is the bridgegroom of the church'.

    The simpler answer is to do what Latin Christians did in the good old days. Call it Coptic heresy. But in these days of Christian ecvmenicalsim, the word 'heresy' is heresy.

    It's all pretty funny to watch.

    September 21, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Gabriel

      Copts believe and have always believed that Jesus is God and Has not married. The separation from the Western church in 451AD was because the Western church declared that Christ has 2 natures (full divinity and full humanity) while the Orthodox church believed that Christ has ONE nature of full humanity and full divinity never separated.

      September 21, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
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