Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics
Obama has substantially widened his lead among Catholic voters since June, the Pew poll found.
September 27th, 2012
11:24 AM ET

Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - President Barack Obama has opened up a significant lead among Catholic voters, a crucial swing voting bloc, according to a recent Pew poll.

Obama leads opponent Mitt Romney among Catholic voters by 54% to 39%, according to the survey, conducted from September 12 to 16 by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

Obama’s lead in the Pew survey comes despite outspoken recent criticism of the Obama administration from America’s Catholic bishops and despite Mitt Romney’s selection of a Catholic running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

The survey was released last week, but the findings on Catholic voters were highlighted this week by the Religion News Service, which notes that Obama held a much tighter 49-47% lead over Romney among Catholics in a June Pew poll.

John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s gains among Catholic came from growing support among Hispanic and black Catholic voters, but also from white Catholics, among whom Obama is now tied with Romney.

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“That’s the part of the poll that I think is kind of surprising,” Green said, noting that Obama lost white Catholics in 2008, even as he won the overall Catholic vote.

Green said that it is white Catholics who were most likely to be receptive to the bishops’ recent attacks against the Obama administration over what the church says is the White House’s curtailment of religious freedom.

In its recent “Fortnight for Freedom,” campaign, the church urged American priests to denounce the administration’s requirement that health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage to employees, even if those employees work for Catholic organizations that oppose contraception.

“The bishops were hoping those efforts would bring more moderate and liberal Catholics, not necessarily for Romney but against the administration’s position,” Green said.

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John Allen, CNN’s chief Vatican analyst, noted that at least one other recent national poll gave Romney a slight lead among Catholics, and that Romney leads among Catholics who attend Mass each week.

“That either shows that the more practicing you are, the more pro-Romney (or anti-Obama) you are,” Allen said in an e-mail message, “or it says something about the political message Catholics are getting in their parishes these days.”

Catholic voters, who accounted for more than a quarter of the electorate in the 2008 election, have voted with the winning presidential candidate in every election going back to the early 1990s.

In 2008, Obama beat John McCain among Catholics by 54% to 45%. In 2004, John Kerry - the first Catholic nominee for president since John F. Kennedy - lost the Catholic vote to George W. Bush, provoking Democrats to take Catholic outreach more seriously.

Both major parties had America’s highest-profile Catholic cleric, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, give the closing prayer at their recent political conventions.

The Democratic Convention also featured a Catholic nun who led a “nuns on the bus" tour attacking the federal budget that Ryan designed in his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee.

The Obama and Romney campaigns have both rolled out Catholic outreach efforts in recent days, and the Romney camp has highlighted Ryan’s Catholicism.

“A faithful Catholic, Paul believes in the worth and dignity of every human life,” Romney said when he introduced Ryan as his running mate last month.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Bishops • Catholic Church • Mitt Romney • Politics

soundoff (1,503 Responses)
  1. White and male A left wingers worst nightmare

    CNN is a left wing organization, they have zero credibility.

    September 29, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • OneTruth

      CNN are not left wing – they're pretty much in the center. I imagine that from a tea party perspective that may look left wing but so would Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:10 am |
  2. Dorothy

    Thank God for the 54% of Catholics with common sense. The 39% are with the right wing religious nuts who are basically taking exception to the three things: 1. Gay Marriage – They believe it is sinful for two gay people to live together in a legally recognized, committed monogamous relationship and to raise their children in a stable household as a couple. OMG....love and commitment are contrary to their religious values. Give me strength. 2. Contraception – They believe that they should have the right to deny people coverage for a medication that will do multiple things....it will decrease ovarian cancer in celibate women (interesting for a religious that promotes celibacy in a sector of its women).....it will control menstrual pain and excessive bleeding (are they still that much out of sorts over the sin of Eve that women should have to just suffer through it?).....and finally, it does help people plan their families responsibly. 3. Abortion – Well if they allowed contraception, this wouldn't be such a big issue would it? And their rules have not kept up with modern science. Based on their theology, a woman with an ectopic pregnancy can have the pregnancy terminated so long as the remove the fallopian tube as well. On the other hand, if they spare the fallopian tube surgically or by using medication, the patient and the doctor have committed one of the gravest of sins. Really?

    September 29, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Angela

      @Dorothy – Cut the crap. You sound like a liberal loon. Since when has contraception not been "allowed"? You ramble on as if you live in Soviet Russia. You can find contraception at any Walgreens, Walmart, or any drug store. There are entire aisles that are dedicated to contraception. You are a professional victim. Did you get queues on your little speech from Cecile Richards? Or perhaps Sandra Fluke? She's the Left's new professional victim who whines that she needs help buying contraception because apparently the salary of an attorney isn't enough to sustain her. From the sound of your rant, you seem to express that contraception was just made available in the 21st century. As for the rest of your rant, you sound like you're wound too tight. You come off as a little too desperate and therefore do not sound credible. Take it down a notch.

      September 29, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Dude

      Angela, the post clearly says that the Catholic Church wants to deny insurance coverage for contraception. There is nothing there about banning it from store shelves, as long as you pay for it yourself.

      This is called "a straw man argument". If you have nothing good to counter with, you attribute an outrageous claim and then counter a claim that was never made.

      Clearly from your mode of attack, you have nothing to counter with and are just making stuff up.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Dorothy

      @Angela – Dude is absolutely correct. If you read any newspapers – including the Catholic ones – you would know that the Catholic Hierarchy's beef with Obama's plan is that it is requiring the insurance companies to pay for contraception even if the employee works for a Catholic organization. While they do not require the employer to pay for it if they have a moral objection, the insurance plan still needs to cover it. The Church feels that is making them go against their conscience. If you are going to defend the church, at least get your facts straight.

      September 30, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      It's worse than that, Dorothy, Dude.

      There has been an exception for catholic organizations (churches schools) almost from day one. What the Catholic church is fighting for is that Joe Catholic has the same exemption on religious grounds. Joe Catholic and his grocery store, his sign company, his office.

      That Catholic organizations.. christian organizations, church run have an exemption, makes sense. Catholic churches and schools are also allowed to have morals clauses and the like, and insist that their employees follow their moral codes. (for example, a teacher at a catholic school is supposed to live according to their moral codes. ) But just because your boss in your office is a catholic, you have to follow his religions beliefs? No.

      When you study the history of employer supplied health insurance it makes even less sense. This is something that is part of your pay package. (Health insurance really took off as a perk for employees back during WWII – when there were wage freezes in place. Perks were a way of getting and keeping good employees in a period where there was a shortage in the labor force, and you couldn't pay them more, due to government wage freezes) This makes health insurance, NOT something that your employer GIVES you, more it's PART of your pay. And as your employer can't tell you you can't use the money he gives you to buy that burger on friday in lent, he should not be able to tell you what you use any other part of your pay package for.

      September 30, 2012 at 3:11 am |
    • Angela

      "Strawman argument"? Get serious. "Getting my facts straight"? Here are the facts: Contraception is available and very affordable. The fact is you want someone else to pay for your contraception. You can obtain BCP's for $10 per month. If you have financial difficulty, there are several programs to help you in any city in the country. Free contraception has also been provided and available for some time. You're a professional victim since you want someone else to pay for your birth control through insurance. The professional liberal whiners made this an issue that they feel so oppressed. Sensible men and women do not want to pay for your birth control. That is fellow Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Mormons, and likely Muslims. You sound so miserable. It's pathetic. This does go against the Church's conscience and it goes against the conscience of millions of other Americans. It is you who needs to get YOUR facts straight. I am repeating what Dennis Miller directed his remark to Sandra Fluke: Stop whining about birth control. You're going to find out that many other Catholics (Protestants, Baptists, Mormons, etc.) do not want to pay for your birth control through insurance or "Obama's plan." Over 53% of the country still want it repealed. Deal with it already. Professional victim is correct.

      September 30, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • Dorothy

      @Angela – you poor dear, you sound so angry. The reality is that your blood pressure medication doesn't cost that much either...nor does your thyroid medication....nor does your migraine medication. That having been said, insurance pays for those medications and it should also pay for the hormone medication commonly referred to as birth-control. It is as simple as that. And although $10 may not be a big deal to you and me......somebody working minimum wage, it can be a very very big deal.

      September 30, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      There is a bigger elephant in the room though. If you allow a catholic or christian employer (not a church or a church run organization – they are exempt as they are also allowed to dictate moral clauses to their employees. The average church going employer is not) to dictate what can be excluded from coverage for their employees for moral religious concerns of the employer, you open a very big can of worms.

      To whit – do you want to find out that the owner of the company you work for is a Jehovah' Witness and has taken the self same exclusion on moral grounds – when you can't get a blood transfusion you desperately need because your insurance won't pay for it? Jehovah's Witnesses forbid blood and blood products. Do you want to find out that the owner of your company is not just an orthodox jew, but an extreme orthodox – when you cannot get certain prescription drug because they contain pig gelatin? (Many common drugs do... and while most rabbis allow for an exemption, not all do. Same with Muslims – some of their imam's do, but not all. )

      Do you want that?

      Religious organizations are allowed to dictate moral clauses to their employees. They can, as a church run school, make your teachers toe the line on religious rules and values. They can fire a single female teacher for getting pregnant on such a moral clause. But the average everyday christian who runs a secular company? No. You can't.

      The history of medical coverage provided by employers is clear. It's part of your pay package. (It took off during WWII, when the government had a wage freeze going on due to labor shortage. Employers starting giving perks to get and keep good employees. Free lunches. Child care, Medical coverage.) IIt's part of your salary. It's just like your salary. And as an employer who happens to be catholic cannot tell you you cannot buy and eat a burger on friday in lent, he cannot tell you what you use your medical for. It's really that simple.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Angela

      You are such a whining victim it's astounding how you were able to able to make it to an adult with your victim mentality. You probably identify yourself with the "Life of Julia", the cradle-to-grave nanny state mentality story Obama tried to brainwash every American with her helpless, desperate albeit fictional story. The problem with your mentality is eventually everyone gets tired of hearing it because your learned helplessness insults other average intelligent independent women who do not share your misery. That is what you're looking for, isn't it? You, Cecile Richards, Sandra Fluke, you're looking for other women to commiserate with your misery loves company ideology. That is laughable. Millions of married and single women don't share your misery, nor do we ever care to be lumped in with you as a broader demographic. Keep your whining to yourself. We conservative women who embrace our traditional Catholic values and will vote Obama out of office don't want to be bothered with the likes of your sad lot! 🙂

      September 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • OneTruth

      Angela. How is that different from a toddler-to-grave dependence upon a god to "kiss and make it better"?

      September 30, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Angela

      @One Truth:
      Keep your Catholic anger to yourself. I'm not (nor is anyone else) responsible for your misery.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:23 am |
  3. Jack Watcher

    I am a recovering Catholic. I am voting for Obama. But really, that is beside the point. What the hell do religious beliefs have to do with the leadership of a nation that was formed, in great part, to gain freedom from religious persecution? How can we let anyone's religious beliefs impact the freedoms of our fellow citizens? If your "morals" don't like some behavior then don't do that behavior. But don't tell me that your "morals" should tell me how to behave. I have my own morals for that.

    September 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • solex

      In order to assign blame to someone else for problems caused by you, you have to have a moral directive to do so. It basically means holier-than-thou, and THAT is what people figured out a long time ago – since Og decided he wanted a larger cave.

      September 29, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
  4. Bill Zanine

    Gabby Johnson is a racist, bigoted, insensitive commentor who bases her opinion not on the good of the country but on her personal gains. Please tag all of her comments by selecting "Report Abuse".

    September 29, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Gabby Johnson is a character in Blazing Saddles.

      September 29, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      "Authentic frontier gibberish" no less!

      [after Gabby Johnson's speech]
      Olson Johnson: Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
      [townspeople murmur and nod in approval]
      Olson Johnson: What are we made of? Our fathers came across the prairies, fought Indians, fought drought, fought locusts, fought Dix... remember when Richard Dix came in here and tried to take over this town? Well, we didn't give up then, and by gum, we're not going to give up now!


      September 30, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Dagnabbit and dern it.

      The imdb quote above is incorrect. It really should say "Fort Dix" for the joke to make sense.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      September 30, 2012 at 12:25 am |
  5. Mostpollsarewrong

    You can't be a true Catholic and vote for Obama. The CHINOs (catholic in name only) out there wear the Catholic name and do not know their faith. If they knew what it really meant to be catholic they would some universalist movement and continue their moral relativism.

    September 29, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      They would what? Better yet, instead of correcting your post why don't you tell us what it is that you DO that makes you a real Catholic. I'll check back because I've just got to hear this.

      September 29, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Micus

      I will make my own moral decisions and the church should not push their beliefs onto me. I think it is difficult for the church to take a "moral" position on anything since the clergy from top to bottom felt it necessary to hide and protect pedophiles at the expense of the children that were abused.

      September 29, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Dude

      Chick-a-dee Johnson is right about Gabby Johnson.

      ~Dude Johnson

      September 30, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • OneTruth

      Wouldn't that be a CINO ?
      I'm not sure what your last sentence is trying to say but I don't think the catholic church is any position to judge other people's morals and before you accuse others of moral relativism you maybe should address the systemic abuse of children by pedophile priests, the cover up of that abuse. Not to mention the hypocrasy involved when the vast wealth of the catholic church is in contrast with its teachings. The "nuns on the bus" are obviously setting a good example but the church hierarchy are in their usual position of supporting the powerful in society.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Aw shucks! There's no reply. I was all set to hear what you had to say about what you do to be a loving Catholic. Sorry to have scared you off. I really did want to hear it.

      September 30, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
  6. DWN

    No great mystery here. Catholics keep electing liberal Catholics to represent them. Check the numbers of Catholic Democrats vs Catholic Republicans in recent decades. During the early 1980's nearly all, if not all, of the Chairmen and women in the of all the Committees in Congress were held by liberal Catholics. Mystery Babylon is still a mystery to so many people. It shouldn't be. Come out of her my people! Sadly it is trying to control the GOP as well. Evangelicals are quickly being absorbed into mystery Babylon as well.

    September 29, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      The city's name is not "Mystery Babylon," as some Fundamentalists claim. The word "mystery" indicates that the ascription "Babylon the Great" is a symbolic name, so it can't refer to the city of Babylon rebuilt in Iraq, as some Fundamentalists claimed it must during the Gulf War. The RSV renders the passage better: "and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: 'Babylon the great, mother of har.lots and of earth's abominations.
      James Akin

      September 29, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
  7. SteveInMN

    As a proud recovering Catholic – I am proud of the ones who are ignoring the –advice??– of the "leadership".

    As for the remaining sheeple – whadda bunch of mono-issue, ignorant hillbillies! Get a bigger world view, people, we left the 14th century at least a couple days ago!

    How the Vatican Taliban preach polictics from the altar and maintain tax-exempt status is way, way beyond me.

    September 29, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Gabby Johnson

      several thing stand out from your infantile rant, SteveInMN. You're in MIN, that makes you automatically a suspected (not definite) lefty nut. Sorry, but your state has a reputation, well earned... Also, your name calling is adolescent. Calling yourself a "recovering Catholic" is so very cute, and was very hip when I was young in the early 1970's....and based on the way you lefties are acting and how you have taken this country continually downward, it feels like those dark days again. Finally, dont believe for a minute your Humanist Savior Obama is going to win.

      The one thing collectivists and progressives forget often is that when someone makes a stab at telling them to stuff their religion (even when they are not practicing) they always end up getting stuffed themselves.

      Romney in a landslide. Count on it. We have had enough centralized stupidity, perversion, punitive taxation and subversion. Funny thing is, we going after many of our own "conservative leaders" soon too...they dont cut the mustard. Boehner, I am looking in your direction.

      I am thinking....310 electoral votes minimum. Look into it, then get your crying pillow.

      September 29, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
  8. palintwit

    Repeated studies have shown that there is a greater incidence of child molestation and incest among southern white evangelical christians than in any other group that participated in the study. Living in tightly cramped quarters (such as trailer parks) is one of the main causes of perverted behavior among christians. Those requiring further proof need only to take a casual drive south of the Mason-Dixon Line. The abundance of toothless christian cretins you will see are a direct result of years of inbreeding.
    Oddly enough, many of these christian misfits make their way north or west where they can be found working in gas stations and car washes. And yes, some do end up in Congress on the republican side of the aisle. And some end up in mainstream cinema in such classics as Deliverance and Smokey and The Bandit.

    September 29, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Gabby Johnson

      my God, what a perfect example of hate filled speech from a "diversity loving liberal." Sick sick sick. Take out white and put in black. Still read okay to everybody. You are ignorant and pathetic.

      September 29, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Well, Gabby, at least your honest about your hatred and bigotry.

      September 29, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  9. Reality

    Only for new members of this blog:-–>>

    Why the Christian Right and "Catholics" no longer matter in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.


    September 29, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • chris16

      Your comment doesn't make sense. The Catholic Church bans any and all forms of artificial birth control. When ACA provided coverage for birth control prescriptions the Catholic Bishops had a fit threatening to close their Catholic Businesses. Most Catholic women have used birth control prescriptions at some-point during their child bearing years. You no longer see families with six, seven and more kids in the pew at Catholic Mass.
      Many Catholic women were outraged that the Catholic Bishops would try to impose the rules regarding birth control on the general public called their employees. The Catholic Church needs to have enough confidence in their flock that they will follow the practice of birth control that suits their needs and quit trying to forces their outdated rules on the general public.
      The Catholic Church's ban on birth control doesn't make sense if you want to reduce the number of abortions. Women have been able to finish college and start their careers and plan their pregnancies.

      September 29, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Dude

      So the anti – Roe V Wade folks are breeding faster and still they are a minority.

      How could that possibly work? Unless some of the children of the right to lifers are growing up to embrace choice.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Reality

      The RCC does approve "natural" birth control. As noted, it does not approve of artificial birth control. One however can make a strong case that many forms of artificial birth control are indeed natural i.e. the use of hormones or barriers made from natural materials. And indeed many who call themselves Catholics use "artificial" methods of birth control and many "Catholics" are members of the Immoral Majority.

      Added observations:

      The reality of se-x, contraception, abortion and STD/HIV control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-
      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)- RCC approved
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)- RCC approved
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)- RCC approved
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)- RCC approved

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      September 30, 2012 at 12:46 am |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    September 29, 2012 at 6:48 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 29, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • Bobert

      Religious intolerance is not healthy for children and other living things. Yes, you are intolerant. Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone.

      September 29, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!-.

      October 1, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  11. tallone

    Tax rates for the rich, with all the loopholes they can use, is very low now.
    If Romney is elected, they will be the lowest in American history. His
    contractor friends to the military will get still richer, selling items for $100.00
    than can be bought in a store for $9.99.
    Why do people want to cut their own throats literally, by supporting R/R?
    Also, if people want another war costing trillions, vote Republican.

    September 29, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • Gabby Johnson

      are you so uninformed and stupid that you would write something like this knowing full well what MIDDLE CLASS TAX HIKES are coming online in January 13 from your precious OBAMACARE??????

      MY GOD, HOW DO YOU LIBERALS LIVE WITH YOURSELVES????? Are you really so angry with everyone that you believe the only way for you to go up is to take someone else down????

      We have got to start with the schools. Take back the schools and work for a generation to renew the sense of pride and
      creativity and entrepreneurship that made this country the best for so long.

      Because much of what is laying around these days, I mean our ersatz citizenry, is finished, done, smoking bongs, waiting for the checks.

      September 29, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  12. Hugh Mann

    Muggles for Obama

    September 29, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • Dorothy

      Lemmings for Mitt.

      September 29, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Gabby Johnson

      well, make believe people should have no problem voting in heavily DEM districts. Hell, the dead and the illegals all do. Often!

      September 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Angela

      Gabby is correct. Just look at Chicago and Detroit.

      September 29, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  13. ben

    Don't pay attention to any polls on CNN. They are bought and paid for.

    September 28, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Dorothy

      Right.....go for the polls from gallop......oh wait....they say the same thing.

      September 29, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • stateschool

      Should we also not pay attention to the polls from Gallup, AP, Reuters, CBS, NBC, FOX (yes, even FOX), the New York Times, or the Washington Post? Because they're all saying the same thing.

      September 29, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • Gabby Johnson

      re-weighted polls, I am being told, show Mitt with an actual 10 pt lead across the board. Get involved. Think nationally, act locally. DUMP THE COMMIES. Yep, I wrote it.

      September 29, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Dude

      Re-weighted polls that count every person who supports Romney twice and do not count any of the people who support Obama show that Romney will get 92% of the vote to 0% for Obama. Sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "la la la la la la la la la" whenever there is contradictory information supports this claim.

      Re-weighing the polls to match the party affiliation claims from 2010 exit polls is only valid if you assume:
      1. There has been no change of party affiliation since then.
      2. Both parties' get out the vote campaigns in 2012 will be exactly as effective in 2010.

      Both assumptions are wrong. The obstructionist nature of the new Tea Party Congressional members has inspired a lot of people to change party affiliation. The Republican's base was much enthusiastic than the Democrats in 2010. In 2012 that has reversed. It looks like the Democrats will have a better voter turnout this time.

      So, the re-weighing of the polls is not valid.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  14. David MacD

    Does ANYONE like Romney? Lol...the man is a piece of wood in a $2300 suit. Friends and I were talking tonight about how completely aristocratic the guy comes off as. Show horses, overseas tax shelters, 48% comments. This guy is the conservative answer to Adlai Stevenson!

    September 28, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Gabby Johnson

      I like him a lot. A lot more than the ignorant empty shirt collectivist currently caretaking the oval office. Say, you wanna good idea of how brilliant your guy is? YouTube search the first St Pat's speech he gave....I dare you.

      September 29, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  15. Roget

    Carol, my ten closest friends are Catholic and they are supporting Romney.

    September 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, well, then THAT'S going to make ALL the difference in the WORLD!

      Laughing at you with your ten Catholic pals.

      September 28, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Patricksday

      The Catholic Sisters are standing with President Obama who has been a voice for the Poor and Voiceless.Romney will only serve the vices of the Wealthy GREED, SELFISHNESS, MATERIALISM and GLUTTONEY. Jesus would not approve and who knows if he approves of a Book of Mormon too, what the Holy Bible was not good enough for the Mormons?

      September 28, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • ofarrell

      This Catholic, and her friends and family, and most of those at her parish... are voting for Romney. You can add that to your list 🙂

      September 29, 2012 at 1:02 am |
    • Roget


      Your post is also bogus. The majority of the Catholic Sisters support the Catholic Bishops. Did you see where the Catholic Health Association, Catholic Charities, and Catholic Universities do not support Obamacare because it violates religious liberty and forces Catholics to pay to violate their morallity. Please get your facts straight.

      September 29, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • Roget

      Tom Tom,

      You won't be laughing when you lose.

      September 29, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Gabby Johnson

      truth: every Catholic I know in Michigan is voting Romney. Half in Illinois that I know are voting Obamanation.

      September 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Angela

      Gabby, there are a lot of Republicans (and Democrats) in Illinois that are voting for Mitt Romney. It was in central Illinois that Obama made the statement in 2010, "At some point you've made enough money." Obama is a clown. People haven't forgotten.

      September 29, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  16. Dan Crocker

    Kind of surprising to hear that Catholics are supporting Obama – a man who has come out in support of gay marriage which is a sin against God. Or it used to be anyway. Now they give it a nice name and I guess it is supposed to be ok.

    September 28, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Roget


      See this link. The support is not as great as being stated.


      September 28, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Or perhaps they're all just not single issue voters like you seem to be.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • Roget


      I am not a single issue voter. It comes down to many other issues also like the economy, unemployment, 6 million added to the deficit, a terrible handling of the Libya crisis, etc.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And if you're looking at history, Romney added massive amounts to the state debt in Mass. He made outsourcing more profitable, put thousands out of work while in the private sector, and on the few details of plans he's given, has shown that he would keep the rich getting richer at the expense, and probably the lives, of everyone below.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Dan Crocker

      I checked the link that you provided. Thanks. Knowledge is power.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      If you want to talk military, not only does Romney want to expand our already massive military spending, but he also wants to get into another war on the side of Israel. If you really want to know what Romney will do, it'll be George W Bush that favors mormons instead of protestants baptists and catholics.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Roget

      Sorry, Obama has had about four years to lower unemployment. He has not gotten a plus job ratio. Romeney can do this. He has business experience. He was successul at Bain and saved far more jobs and companies than were lost. Obama has given billions to GM. Now they cannot pay back over 25 billion. Ford has said they are so glad they did not take a bail out. The bail outs have done nothing to improve the economy. All they did was feed a union and the banks. And the housing market still stinks. I only got half the value for my house when I sold it.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Dan Crocker

      I think that everyone has pretty much made up their minds about who to vote for this November. I for one hope that those who voted for Obama the first time around have realized their mistake and understand that his version of CHANGE is something that we can not afford.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Are you one of those people who don't realize that those two bail outs were drafted by the bush administration, and the first bailout was actually signed by Bush but not effective until after he left office? Are you willing to completely ignore the solid job growth we've had for a while now, or the fact that the president does not have the power to instantly make the economy go in a single direction. We cannot afford another set of deregulation and another bubble burst. We cannot afford to continue to let the richest slide on paying a fair share on their capital gains. We cannot sustain the changes Romney and Ryan want.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      You're willing to blame Obama for a stale economy, but refuse to comment on the complete lack of passing anything in the senate and house, especially when the vast majority of bills coming from the house are bills on gay marriage, deregulation, and other bullshit that will either not do anything, or hurt the economy more.

      Anyway, I need to go.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Roget

      Hawaii, sorry that I have to go now. Have to rise early to drive to Toledo, Ohio. Going to the art museum. Don't see the jobs improvement. Obama had Congress for two years, the House and Senate and didn't do anything. Sorry, I cannot vote for him. Good luck.

      September 28, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not Catholic, and don't think voting for Obama was any sort of "mistake," sweetie. Do you REALLY think McCain and Caribou Barbie would have done a better job of fixing the Shrub's complete screw-job on the economy, you idiot? Sorry, but if you do, you're completely clueless about economics.

      September 28, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Dorothy

      Right.....those sinful gays....wanting to get married and live in a legally recognized, committed monogamous relationship. Wanting to safeguard their families so that they can raise their children in a stable home as a couple. And even worse!!!!!! Wanting to serve their country in the military. How outrageous can they get.

      Why can't they be like the holy religious right? They preach the Word and give little old ladies the opportunity to give their last dime to the greater honor and glory of God. They get out and defend their pastors when they just give a little too much attention to underage kids (they're just soooooo giving, they can't help themselves). And imagine, they actually have to go to courts to protect the assets from taxes and lawsuits and keep women in-line so that they do go out and actually try to have a planned family.

      September 28, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Sorry Roget. Obama had the congress for 60 days. Not two years. Go and look it up. (hint. Al Franken and Ted Kennedy figure greatly in this).

      September 29, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  17. Roget

    This poll is bogus. I am Catholic and Catholics will go for Romney. Obama does not support Catholic values.

    September 28, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Juls1314

      I am Roman Catholic and I am voting Obama/Biden again.

      I vote for a President based on his plan for the economy, foreign policy and social services.

      If I need moral direction, I will refer to my church, my priest and my family – not the government.
      If I need medical advise, I will refer to my doctor – who has a medical degree – no the government.

      Since Obama supports helping the poor, the needy and the elderly – well, that is God's way.

      September 28, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Ltinny

      I am a devout Roman Catholic and I also will vote for President Obama and VP Joseph Biden. Romney/Ryan ticket is immoral for our country financially, and anyone who idolizes Ayn Rand certainly is not someone I would agree with.

      September 28, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      Oh, the poll is bogus because you say so?

      For many election cycles Catholics tend to vote the way the nation does – split right down the middle. This is true again this year – but a majority are leaning to Obama, even for the white non-Hispanic Catholics who voted with a slight majority for John McCain last time.

      Perhaps you will find this data interesting:

      September 28, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Roget

      Yes, the poll is bogus. While Catholics do support the poor, they also support religious freedom and morality. Catholics do not want the government forcing them pay for what is against their religion.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Roget

      See this link regarding the Catholic vote.


      September 28, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • Carol

      My two closest friends ae Catholic and they're supporting Pres.Obama.

      September 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Romney doesn't support Catholic values either. You just have to decide and weigh what matters.

      Are you going to fall for the carrot on a string... given that 'abolish abortion' has been a plank in the Republican platform for 36 years and nothing much has been done about it, even when the Republicans have held congress? Let that get you to vote for a man who you know little about? Who says 'trust me' who's plan is so nebulous that non partisan economic think tanks can't make head nor tail of how he will do what he promises?

      Who's running partner has put forth a budget that caused the American Catholic Bishops to send letters warning that it fails the catholic morals test? and that Ryan's only response to that is to reiterate that his budget is 'informed' by his faith? Not according to the bishops.

      Toss out 'Humanae Vitae' That's all well and good. Make one vote for a president on that... but what about all the other votes you make? It's your congressmen and senators who make the laws. It's there where your vote matters for that position.

      In response I'll toss you back 'Deus Caritas' – where Ryan, and Romney's budget fails.

      It is a quandary. and this poll shows it.

      September 29, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      so your link says that there were three sets of polls and in each of them Obama was leading Romney, either by 15 points, 5 points or 2 points.

      Note that all these Polls concluded before September 16 – before Mitt's latest round of shooting himself in the foot.

      – Pew Research Center (Sept. 16): Obama with 54%-39%
      – A Gallup poll (Spet 16) Obama 49%-44%. (Based on a three-week rolling average from Aug 27 – Sept 16.)
      – Gallup’s later poll from Aug. 20 – Sept. 9: Obama 47%-45%

      The Pew's data for white, non-Hispanic, Catholic 'likely' voters (as opposed to registered voters) was pro-Obama, 49% – 46% which is very close to the Gallup numbers. You would have to read their report to find that.

      No matter how you slice it, as reported by the Catholic News Agency, Obama is ahead of Romney in polls of Catholic voters. This is a reversal from 2008.

      September 29, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  18. Chris33

    Catholic bishops said the Paul Ryan's budget plan was "immoral."

    September 28, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Indeed they did.

      There is a strong liberal tradition amongst Catholics. In recent election cycles many Catholics have been duped into an unholy political alignment with the Evangelical Protestant fundies on the single issue of abortion.

      At the end of the day, Catholics vote the way the whole nation does – their vote will be split right down the middle, this year with a trend leaning left.

      September 28, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • Gabby Johnson

      the entire conference? I find that a rather dubious statement. No, I am afraid that, like most Christian denominations, we have apostates as well.

      September 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Apostate Bishops???

      Did Gabby actually say that?

      SHe owes me a keyboard, I"m never getting this coffee out of it.

      Gabby – if you but looked – there are search engines – you will see that the American Catholic Bishops Conference DID censure Ryan. More than ones. They stated (as an organization) more than once – that it failed the Catholic morals test. They reiterated that the budget must help the poor.

      Of course, if you don't want to know that, you can not go and look and continue to ignore it. It won't make your position any less incorrect on the matter.

      September 29, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      once. not ones. I need more coffee.

      September 29, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Oh. and if you need a date April 17, 2012. In direct response to Ryan's April 10, 2012 statement that his budget was 'informed by his religion'.

      The bishops said – not.

      September 29, 2012 at 5:43 pm |

    When peopl look ppast the "hot button " issues such as Abortion, Gay marrage and obama care they see a Pres who at least cares for the.Wilard does not he has no empathy. No Kennedy fight for fair treatment for all

    September 28, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
  20. Brandon

    Maybe if people felt that Romney was actually pro-life, he would be in better shape among Catholics, but he didn't become pro-life until it was a political necessity. The man has no moral core, he only wants to be president. Love Obama, hate him, or if you're somewhere in the middle, you can at least acknowledge that you know Obama's stance on most issures.

    September 28, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
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