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 The fragment is written in Coptic, a language used by some early Christians.
September 28th, 2012
02:30 PM ET
Vatican newspaper calls fragment referring to Jesus' wife 'a fake'By Dan Gilgoff and Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editors (CNN) - The Vatican on Friday appeared to push back on a recently publicized piece of papyrus that appears to show an early Christian referring to Jesus' wife, with its newspaper calling the fragment “a fake.” “Substantial reasons would lead us to conclude that the papyrus is actually a clumsy counterfeit,” the Vatican’s newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, said in a Friday editorial by the newspaper’s editor. “In other words, in any case it is a fake,” wrote L'Osservatore Romano editor-in-chief Gian Maria Vian. The fragment referring to Jesus wife was written in Coptic, a language used by Egyptian Christians, and says in part, "Jesus said to them, 'My wife ..." The paper is generally thought to reflect the views of Vatican officials. 5 Questions and answers about Jesus’ “wife” Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King announced the findings of the 1.5- by 3-inch honey-colored fragment earlier this month in Rome at the International Association for Coptic Studies. King was quick to add this discovered text "does not, however, provide evidence that the historical Jesus was married," she wrote in a draft of her analysis of the fragment set to appear in the January edition of Harvard Theological Review. "This fragment, this new piece of papyrus evidence, does not prove that (Jesus) was married, nor does it prove that he was not married,” King said in a conference call with reporters earlier in the month. “The earliest reliable historical tradition is completely silent on that. “So we're in the same position we were before it was found,” she continued. “We don't know if he was married or not." In the accounts of Jesus' life in the Bible, there is no mention of his marital status, while the accounts do mention Jesus' mother, father and siblings. Opinion: What fascination with Jesus’ “wife” tells us The four Gospels – Matthew, Mark, Luke and John – tell the story of Jesus' birth and early childhood then skip to his short, three-year ministry before detailing his death and resurrection. In its Friday editorial, the Vatican newspaper took aim at what it said was a media campaign to spread word of the papyrus despite questions about its authenticity. “American media outlets had been alerted, a preventive press conference by Karen L. King held to prepare a global scoop which was immediately put into question by the experts,” the paper said. - CNN"s Hada Messia contributed reporting from Rome |
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Most of you have turned in your papers. Five minutes to go then pencils down.
The Vatican is a fake, so it's a wash......
And there are, and never have been, pedophiles in the catholic church.
You're a liar, Jim. And a troll. Go die in a fire.
Why would the Catholic Church be so threatened by the news that Jesus may have been married? The early priests were married. Jewish rabbis are allowed to be married. Jesus was a rabbi, not a modern priest.
I suspect that it boils down to control. You see if someone is able to prove that the Vatican was wrong on ONE issue, then the door opens that the Vatican could be and most probably was, wrong on many, many others. Deny, deny, deny... it is afterall the Christian way, right?
because they like the idea jesus liked men. The pope and bishops would look even more foolish being gay if they found out jesus was straight.
Funny, after 2000 years, suddenly out of thin air comes an ancient papyrus with written evidence that Jesus had a wife. I expect it will vanish almost as quickly as it appeared. By the way, what do atheists say when facing imminent death? Oh My God..... Nevermind?
@OwlBore
I would ask an atheist what they say, but they are uh....all dead. Dipsh!t.
OwlBore, do you wanna get high? Have you ever got head from a towel?
@OwlBore, my question to you would be this. Does it really matter what an atheist says when dying? What is important is what he said and did as a living human being. Trust me, I know many Atheists who live a more "Christlike" life than any Christian could ever hope to live, and yet these people do not acknowledge a Jesus in any way.
Owlbore, Divide 19 by the number of joi-nts you smoked before posting, then subtract 3.923 and multiply the result by the voices in your head.
Humble yourself and ask Jesus for forgiveness. Jesus told us he would give you reprobate minds. My camel-toe has it's own real estate listing. After their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears. It is time for you to start your walk with Jesus.
Amen
Get your itchy ears over here and humble yourself before God! Join today!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq6FsOCdadI
Stay Carnal! Amen.
enjoy your fantasy.. I do hope you stay away from kids
Hello and welcome to the HeavenSent blog. This is YOUR opportunity to voice your HeavenSent opinions!
Please frame your posts to best preach to Atheists about the dangers of a Godless life-style.
Here are some suggested key words and phrases to get you started:
Hey-Zues
Personal worm that feeds off them, is never quenched, for eternity
Believing the lies of satan that they will be collectively mini-gods
Do as the atheists do in this country to ensure the USA goes belly up
Too blind to see His truth whether I write it in street language or scripture form
Jesus told us to send r-apists and murderers back to Him
Atheists lie when they talk about freedom of speech
He ran off all the Christians from the other site he oversaw
That will be the end of you
Itchy Ears
God doesn't have favorites
Carnal
You're a putz, cough fool
Liar against His truth
Abide in Jesus' truth
Prideful
Stay on the wrong side of the gulf until you are blotted out for eternity
Tommie Tom
Scotty
Minions of satan
Prayer changes things
Talmud
Man-made lies of the talmud
Jesus’ letter, the Bible
God’s truth
Jesus’ truth
The truth
Jesus Christ's truth are resurrected to eternity
I am flying with Evil
Boo hoo
I know from Moe Curly of the 3 stooges that nothing works
Truth
Those that believe in Him go with Him to eternity
Lies lies lies
Fat drippings
Personal worms
Horrors, earth quakes, floods, disasters are God's wrath against all of us
You fools doing evil
You atheists
Smug atheists
Prideful atheists
Amen
Throw away that users manual
Prayer really works
No eyes to see or hear His truth
Blotted out for eternity
Burn burn burn for all eternity
Writing your filth
True Christians
The liar satan
Snakes in your Belly
Athiests at CNN
They are blocking my posts again
Dead bones
Logic?? I don't require a single shred to define my beliefs
You must like worms
Pay no attention to the small minded fools that got their brain fried
Read back through the previous articles for over a year dummy
I know you atheists to be fools
Notice who is most quoted in the Golden rule. Jesus Christ's wisdom
You believing something doesn't make it true
I'm not holding my breath
You own those labels
Humble yourself and ask Jesus for forgiveness
Reprobate minds
Jesus told us he would give you reprobate minds
After their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
Satan's lies causes confusion
Atheists write this garbage
Satan is death
You are fooling yourself if you don't tell gays they suffer for eternity
Tortured for eternity
Pathetic
Blame it on the Christians for having the guts to tell idiots God's truth
Your father Satan
End of days taught in Jesus' truth is nothing new to Christians
Another rock. Nothing new under the sun
You insist on your lies having wings to fly
You are still a pigeon
The entire MO behind the atheist is to throw out as many lies and see what sticks
Debating is the atheists game
Satan impregnated Eve with Cain
I know you atheists to be fools
Christians are on these articles to ensure Jesus Christ's truth is posted
Start your walk with Jesus
Blinded by satan's lies
Test from God. Do you have what it takes to pass?
Serpent is just one of the multiple names of Lucifer aka satan
The big bang and evolution are lies against Jesus’ truth to cause doubt, creating confusion
Satan's lies are built on quick sand foundation
What part of Jesus' truth is clarity and satan's lies are confusion do you not comprehend?
There are no flaws in His word
Jesus' truth stands for eternity
Get over your obsession with me
Lions and tigers and bears, oh my
Rocks, everywhere on this site, rocks
Seeds of Jesus falling on rock.
Stepping over His seeds that get blown by the wind to find their way to fertile grounds
Typical of swines trampling
It's obsessive compulsion to grab at any straw to give a reason not to learn or understand
Go back to posting under my handle and answering yourself
Scott
Get a life and try to grow
Singular swine using multiple handles.
You still continue to refuse to learn your heritage
I've posted the answer numerous times
I'm glad the line from the movie Secretariat sticks in your mind
Statistics prove that the more devout someone is, the higher IQ they have
Read the Bible. It is 100 percent accurate in every facet
It makes me smile to know that people will be tortured in hell for eternity
He steals their handles to write his evil
You atheists steal my handle to post your evil will
Reap the sword of the Lord Jesus when He returns
Stealing our handles
Why are you lying?
Get an education to His truth
What's your point small god savior?
I expect foolish thinking from an atheist
Jesus’ wisdom is roaring it's ugly head throughout the world
Another Pharisees jealous that Jesus is God and not them
The atheist that hijacks my handle to spew their lies
Hhmmm, confused?
Remember….Muslims, Jews and Atheists need not apply!
Amen.
You are either a cleaver Troll or a scary Fundie... either way, you scare me...
"Substantial reasons..."
Translation. This evidence goes against everything we have believed, so it must not be true.
I'll bet the babe was his cousin.
The fakes have been entrenched in the Vataucan for century's. The Church hates women so much that they wi8ll never give credit to Jesus being married and ESPECIALLY to Mary Magdalene, "The Apostles Apostle" because the "Apostles"ust didn't
"get it" and everything Jesus said to them had to be explained in detail to them by her. 37 years after Jesus died, those same dolts began writting the bible!!!! Written by the uninformed and ignorant.
the pope and bishops wanted to make jesus gay,, as they are
Read the Bible. It is 100 percent accurate in every facet. It makes me smile to know that people will be tortured in hell for eternity. I let my 12-year-old daughter smoke at the table in front of her kids. You will reap the sword of the Lord Jesus when He returns.
Amen.
wow, heavenbent,, you were sure brainwashed. Your post reminds me of a cultural anthropology class where we studied those who worshiped volcanoes. Your fear aligns with theirs quite well.
@realist
I expect foolish thinking from an atheist. Jesus’ wisdom is roaring it's ugly head throughout the world. My daughter was born on the pool table in the back yard. Another Pharisees jealous that Jesus is God and not them.
Amen.
ok,, it's your fantasy. Run with it. At least leave kids alone
Realist,
These @HeavenSent posts are parodies. Read carefully... then ignore.
"expect foolish thinking from an atheist. Jesus’ wisdom is roaring it's ugly head throughout the world. My daughter was born on the pool table in the back yard. Another Pharisees jealous that Jesus is God and not them.
Amen."
Did ANY of this make sense to you. Seriously, his wisdom is Roaring???? Where your child was born has what, again, to do with Jesus? There are certain terms we use in psychology for people like you... sheesh
thanks, heads up. Guess the camel-toe was the give away. I've seen many hot ones
I mistakenly omitted Muslims from m post below, allow me to correct it: I think it is wonderful that this article has brought so many people together on this blog over the last two days. Muslims, Atheists and Christians alike. I just want to extent the olive branch to you Muslims, atheist people. You are lost but you will be found, check with front desk. I will pray for you and I know the good Lord will look after you all Muslims, Atheists. Praise Him for holding secretes so long!
I liked it when eve wore the olive leave,, now that was se-xy
Everyone knows you are a fake and meanie!
God never holds secretes !!
you are a meanie, heavebent. A hater too. I notice that among the religious who are confused and need religious buddies. You are much like an alcoholic who's in denial and lies about his problem with his drinking buddies.
Jesus is fake, hence any literature about him will be fiction..
that's pretty well known among the brightest of people. Jesus was a catholic church concostion
FU, because it is fiction does not make it fake. That does not make any sense at all.
I don't even know what goin' on......
Communist party of China denying news as western propaganda.
Fox News paranoid denying all major polls of Obama-vs-Romney, saying that Fox New is one True poll of the election.
that's even funnier than the gay pope in his dress
@Realist,
Well I think the Pope's dress looks FABULOUS
how about his ruby red shes and ruby red hat? No wonder women aren't allowed, the pope and bitc-hops don't like the competi-tion
I finished my Test Dr. Johnson!! Please grade, I hope I did good.
May I have your attention class. This is your exam; True or False:
1. False, duh
2. False.
3. True.
4. True
5. Very True
6. True
7. False silly
8. True
9. True!
10. I hope False!
11. False
12. True"
13. True
14. True I hope LOL
15. False
16. True
17.False LOL
18. False
19. False – party on!
20. False
21. True
22. False
23. True
24. True
25. True – I hope!
26. False
Sally, I really don't think any of these are true.
Well Sally, you have made some mistakes. Perhaps you need to stay after school so we can review.
It's a mistranslation of an ancient joke... it should read, "And Jesus said, 'Take my wife...PLEASE!' " Ba-dump-bump, ching!
Congratulations Bill! You are our 1000th blogger to make that stupid joke!
Have they carbon dated it? Wouldn't that be an important piece of information in the article? Good that they foresaw CNN though (3rd last line).
@Davec, the words Mary and Jesus are not in English, as English is only about a thousand years old, give or take.
The point is, it was written 400 years after the time of Jesus. So, as the researcher says, it is no more valid than something written today.
Bob, Good point, but wasn't there a convocation of some sort in the 4th Century where the Christian Church made major changes/proclamations regarding its tenets? That was also 400 years after the fact. So what's good for one...
Its a fake. OMG, you are kidding................
just like the pope and bishops..
I think it is wonderful that this article has brought so many people together on this blog over the last two days. Atheists and Christians alike. I just want to extent the olive branch to you atheist people. You are lost but you will be found. I will pray for you and I know the good Lord will look after you. Praise Him!
I'm better than your jesus, I'm still alive
@realist
You are too blind to see His truth whether I write it in street language or scripture form. I bag my feces in Glad bags because the door to my bathroom is blocked by my clothes-dryer. Atheists lie when they talk about freedom of speech. They only want to distort Jesus' truth.
Amen.
that is just tooooo silly
Jesus is alive and you, unfortunately are spiritually dead.
Believers and atheists, you're all kcuffin morons.
I'm a Realist, not an atheist. Realist see religion as pure childish behavior
OBVIOUIS fake, besides, I didnt see the words Mary or Jesus in it.
the entire bible is pure crap. The pope and bishops pasted, cut out and added to it. They made jesus a gay guy and unmarried. That's why the pope, cardinals and bishops are all gay
Why are athiest so angry? If they don't believe why is so important to want to prove jesus other than who he was...the son of god.
as for this post...
Realist
I'm better than your jesus, I'm still alive
Jesus is alive:) Why so angry Realist???
that wasn't anger,, that was simply fact. So when your teacher taught you math, he/she was angry? How silly you are
You read Coptic or Aramaic?
Perhaps the Catholic Church should spend more time getting rid of priests who abuse children than worrying about whether Jesus had a wife ...
the worst crimes were the cover ups by the popes, cardinals and bishops. If they instead cared for the child, that would have proven they are good. The opposite is true.
Everyone has their god, yours is the government.
Humble yourself and ask Jesus for forgiveness. Jesus told us he would give you reprobate minds. My camel-toe has it's own real estate listing. After their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.
Amen.