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 Does religion have a place in the movement to change public education?
October 2nd, 2012
09:00 AM ET
Faith leaders sound off on role of church in public educationBy Tomeka Jones, CNN Dozens of faith leaders from across the country recently gathered to attend The Stand Up Education Policy Summit in Atlanta, Georgia, to talk education reform. The daylong conference was hosted by education organzations StudentsFirst, founded by Michelle Rhee and Stand Up, led by her husband, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson. The purpose of the event was a call for action for clergy to take part in the national movement to transform public education. CNN spoke with some prominent religious leaders in the African-American community to find out their views on the role faith institutions should play in public education. Rev. DeForest Soaries, Jr., a senior pastor at First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset, New Jersey, laid out what he believes are three roles of the church in education. |
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"laid out what he believes are three roles of the church in education."
1) ignorance
2) misdirection
3) filling the money baskets
Absolutely agree with 1 addition... brainwashing the youth-creating the pressure to conforrn without question
I'm kidding, right?
As if it matters whether you are or not.
So now the religious left wants to tell schools what to think and do. No big surprise.
Like that great blog post said, religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the cowardly, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them. Enough voters fit into those categories such that unfortunately, religion matters in an election even though it should have no presence in politics at all.
@petervd...
nope
nope to nope
Prayer changes things .
Loosen up. I can't get my hand out of you.
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!/
Tell that to JC.
"Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" This is so true. I mean remember the 2000 year old war between Atheists? no wait that was Christians and Muslims..Oh wait I know remember when Atheists gathered up men women and children and tortured them in every way imaginable for 365 years until they converted to Atheism? Damn..sorry that was Catholics.
dont even reply this troll post this same crap everyday
Complexity isn't a good argument for god. It got pretty beaten up and down.
@fred
Hi -fred...
Maybe... you're right about the narrative in the Bible being accurate, and that there is a Heaven for believers and Hell for non-believers, etc...
And... maybe you're wrong. It's all based on your 'faith' which doesn't necessarily= *absolute fact* here.
That 'is' as close as you are going to get. No matter how strongly you 'believe' in your heart, it is still just a 'belief' like all others.
You 'may' be right ? We'll see I guess.
But, hey buddy... If you 'are' right, will you put in a good word for me with the Big Guy at the Pearlies ? 😀
Peace...
*See below in proper discussion thread*
Sorry !
If fred's right, I'd rather he put in a bad word for me. The god fred believes in is a mysoginistic, philocidal, genocidal, infanticidal asshat. Everyone in the world should hope that christianity is wrong, because almost certainly it has one of the most evil gods that people will worship for some reason.
@hawaii
Don't worry brother... I haven't gone 'nutters' on ya.'
I'm just playing with Fred a bit. *If*... there is a God and it is the God of the Bible like fred and others think... I'll be right there with ya' in the reaaaaaaaaaally hot fvcking place ! 😀
Peace...
I know you were joking around. I just wanted to give my opinion. I'm just waiting for the inevitable "BIBLE SAYS THIS AND THIS AND THIS" irrelevancy from fred.
How did I miss this thread?
You all need to get off the fence. Either you are of sound reason or you are not. An atheist cannot say God is evil or God is good because by your own standards you do not have any acceptable evidence or proof. This is the problem with you hawiiguest like atheists and Stephen Hawking stratonician atheist types. You both claim to be brilliant scientific minds yet you paint yourself into a corner every time you attack God.
"Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
"truth be told" degnerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
"tina" deganerates to:
"captain america" degnerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
"Chad" degnerates to
"Bob" degnerates to
"nope" degnerates to:
"2357" degenerates to:
"WOW" degnerates to:
"fred" degnerates to:
"!" degenerates to:
"pervert alert"
This troll is not a christian.
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Heads up there is another fred on this site that is filled with darkness. It is very easy to tell the difference if you actually cared
@tbt
Still waiting for you to disprove Zeus. Use a book if you have to, but it has to be objective and definitive, and preferably not a single-source reference...and....go!
I guess it was just a matter of time that truth be told fakes would replace HS fakes. Time to start a TBT blog I suppose but I BELIEVE that TBT and HS are one and the same bigoted moron. I shall burn in hell, fat dripping, worms and all......
The serpent did not speak on its own. Read the account. The ass hole is refuted and has been for some time.
Eve put her hand up its ass and used it like a puppet.
I have my hand up truth be told's ass.
Confronted by Truth the so called atheist will steal a name and degenerate to filth.
The truth is, my Christian hand is up you again and I can't get it out.
@TBT: if you read the torah it names the serpent. it's name was lilith. adam's first wife that refused him and left eden then god made eve from adam's rib when he approached god and said he was lonely after trying to find lilith in the garden.
it's not in the KJV because priests couldn't afford to have females believeing themselves equal to man; thus it was stricten from the bible.
Having been brought up in a sort of catholic family and forced to attend a cathoilc school I can tell you that the belief in jesus christ and prayer quickly left me when I managed to escape their clutches. My family paid their dues but seldom attended the rituals but still were considered good catholics by the church, cash counts. I can only hope that sooner or later if religion and prayer are allowed in schools it is for a universal loving god figure not the ugly version that many christian religions have adopted.
Prayer changes things .
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!|..
actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time...
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Really? Have you gotten richer from your prayers? Have you seen an increase in the number of naked men parading through your bedroom? Has your mother given up the trade? Have you discovered who your father is? Does your pastor still molest you?
Faith leaders or cons?
Only for new members of this blog:
Is Students First a tax-dodge "non-profit" set up by Mayor Kevin Johnson, ex-NBA star and his wife?. Investments total $619,850, donations are about ~$4.5 million with ~$1.5 million going to advertising and promotion. (guidestar.org, IRS Form 990 for 2010). "Non-profits" pay no tax on dividends, interest or capital gains on their investments.
Do you think maybe Kevin is hiding some of his basketball earnings in this group? Hmmm????
going by the bible, we can see that christians would teach our children that snakes and donkeys can talk, unicorns, dragons, satyrs and c.ockatrice are real creatures, the earth is flat, slavery is acceptable, women are second class citizens, g.ays, disobedient children, non-virgin brides and anyone working on sunday should be put to death, light came before the sun was 'created'... and much, much more craziness.
no thanks. religion has no place in a school that is trying to give a serious education.
This poster bippyfink knows nothing about the Bible but loves to play pretend.
atheists have more biblical knowledge than your average christian. this has been shown in survey after survey. because you don't like something that's in the bible, like talking donkeys and unicorns, doesn't mean it's not in there. read your bible. look up what i wrote. see that i am correct.
@truthbetold
I know the bible as a compendium of lies perpetrated on humanity by a self-interested priesthood that traces its origins to the political/religious situation of Ur in Sumeria back in the days of the supposed abraham. Remember, if you want to tout your knowledge about the bible, you'd better trace it all the way back to its polytheistic beginnings, polytheistic middle, and polytheistic now, cuz the historians (and me) already have and it ain't what you think it is.
Sure you want to quote a single-source for your information when that source isn't immune from dissection and revelation as to its TRUE contents? True with a capital T? Hmmm? You know, historically true? Might not fit your pre-conceived ideas as mis-taught to you by the priest- per Verts....
@TruthbeTold
= Tali bani Drone his a r s e! Anti-American wants us to be christo-sharia law slaves, undemocratic bible-thumper!
Drone his anti- American a r s e !!!
It has been repeatedly proven that you know squat about the Bible. If you represent "atheists" then it follows they don't know squat either.
@truth be told
I'm curious... what is inaccurate in @Bootyfunk's original posting about the Bible, seeing as you are an acknowledged expert ?
Peace...
@tbt
I find it hilarious that you continue to make the assertion that Booty doesn't know the bible, but I have yet to see you actually providde an actual refutation. Then again, you're just a troll, and have been confirmed as such, so I don't see why it matters what you say.
@tbt
No one yet has refuted a thing I've said....troll...
Unicorns is not the original Hebrew word used. The ass hole is refuted again.
@tbt
And the word used is not really the point. What does the original Hebrew word describe? Is it a horse with a horn on its forehead? If so, guess what, that's what a unicorn is.
@hawaiiguest
it would have been better for you to keep silent and let people wonder if you were an ass hole than to post that comment and remove all doubt.
tbt – pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
I get dumber every day.
@truth be told
"I get dumber every day."
You wouldn't if you'd use your brain, then all would be well with you. Peace out, yo...
@tbt
LOL Really? What else would you call a horse with a horn on its forehead? Little boy you're getting more ridiculous by the day. It's actually somewhat entertaining to watch your spiral into utter irrelevancy.
Bootyfunk
You claim to know the Bible yet all you do is recite from the Dawkins Bible which is not the same as the Hebrew Bible typically implied when we say “Bible”. I am certain you read the part that in the end times there will mockers of the Lord Christ. I am certain you read Luke 23:39-43 and understand how simple Christ made it for all to see the difference between those who go to Paradise and those whose fate is uncertain.
Do you actually think God used a talking snake to make Christians look foolish or shine a bright light on those who mock the Word of God? From the beginning of man in Genesis to Crucifixion of Christ on the cross only two types of eternal souls are revealed. The Bible is not complicated and choice before you is as obvious as night and day.
@fred,
I didn't realize the Gospel of Luke was in the Hebrew Bible?
@fred
Hi -fredster...
Maybe... you're right about the narrative in the Bible being accurate, and that there is a Heaven for believers and Hell for non-believers, etc...
And... maybe you're wrong. It's all based on your 'faith' which doesn't necessarily= *absolute fact* here.
That 'is' as close as you are going to get. No matter how strongly you 'believe' in your heart, it is still just a 'belief' like all others.
You 'may' be right ? We'll see I guess.
But, hey buddy... If you 'are' right, will you put in a good word for me with the Big Guy at the Pearlies ? 😀
Peace...
GOPer
Got me ! When Jesus said he was God and confirmed the law of Prophets that tied everything in a nice bow.
therealpeace2all
Since it will not work that way I will start putting in a good word for you now. If it is true we are to find the Lord while there is still light among us.
fred, why did your god make himself so hard to find? Impossible, in fact.
Glen
God is not hard to find even the Neanderthal worshiped something greater than self. I am not aware of anyone that has not pondered the question of God. That space where the pondering takes place is not an organ or of physical mass that science has figured out how to measure or even what it is. That space is where the soul and or spirit of man finds reality. The world as the Bible says will pass away and science agrees as everything is subject to the law of decay.
What happens in that spiritual realm is not attached to the physical. When a dog dies and human dies the physical nature returns to the soil. God is about that which transcends because God is spirit. You claim it is hard to find yet you are aware this zone where pondering resides exists. You may want to ask an atheist what proof science has that what is universally known is not real and worse yet becomes non-existent when the physical matter is removed.
And fred continues his pattern of blind assertions with no evidence to back it up. Not to mention the pattern of moronic tangents.