October 5th, 2012
04:14 PM ET
Bishop brouhaha in San Francisco
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)– Was it a snub or a misunderstanding?
On Thursday the Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco held its installation service for new Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone in front of 2,000 invited guests at the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption. A large delegation of Catholic clergy and faith leaders from around the city were there to join the service, processing in.
But those seated in the cathedral noticed one participant missing, Episcopal Bishop Marc Andrus, the local Episcopal bishop.
Pacific Church News, the news service from the Episcopal Diocese of California, reported that Andrus "was not allowed to be seated" and "detained by an usher" in the basement until he left shortly before the service began.
Andrus posted what he dubbed as a "clarification" on his blog just after midnight on Friday morning. Andrus wrote he was dropped off at 1:30 p.m. and it took him 10 minutes to get through a crowd of protesters.
Gay marriage supporters in San Francisco protested Cordileone's installation because of his strong support for Proposition 8 in California and his vocal support for traditional marriage, the formal teaching of the Catholic church, while he was the bishop in neighboring Oakland, California.
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Andrus writes in his post that he was told by the archdiocese to be there by 1:45 p.m. Upon arrival, he identified himself and was escorted to the basement where he saw the local head of the Greek Orthodox church and his delegation.
After chatting briefly with the Greek Orthodox group he writes, "An archdiocesan employee attempted to escort me upstairs with the Greek Orthodox group, but was stopped from doing so by the employee to whom I had first identified myself. This person, who appeared to be in a superior role, instructed another employee to stand with me."
By then Andrus writes no one else was in the basement but he and the employee from the archdiocese. The service got under way and Andrus writes, "I said to the employee, 'I think I understand, and feel I should leave.' Her response was, 'Thank you for being understanding.' "
After that brief conversation Andrus said he headed for the door.
"No attempt was ever made to explain the delay or any process for seating. I arrived early, before the time given my assistant, and waited to leave until after the service had begun," he writes.
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A few days before the installation Andrus posted a letter to the Diocese of California. In the letter Andrus noted his opposition to Proposition 8 and support of same-sex marriage but pointed to the long Christian tradition of Christians disagreeing on some issues yet still working together on others. He mentioned issues of poverty and immigration as areas where the two Christian groups had partnered recently in the city.
Andrus also included this line, "Some Catholics may find themselves less at home with Salvatore Cordileone’s installation and they may come to The Episcopal Church. We should welcome them as our sisters and brothers."
That line could be viewed as either a subtle jab over a contentious issue or a reminder to parishioners over an issue already unfolding.
"We were certainly aware of his letter," George Wesolek, the director of communications and public policy for the Archdiocese of San Francisco told CNN in an e-mail.
"Interfaith relations in San Francisco have always been cordial, working on issues that we agree on (which are many: immigration, global poverty, affordable housing etc.), but disagreeing on other issues – abortion, marriage, etc," he continued.
Wesolek stressed, "We would never exclude an invited guest and collaborator on certain issues of importance to the whole community," when asked about Andrus not being seated and if the letter played any part in the incident.
"Bishop Andrus, our guest, arrived before the 2 p.m. start, but after the interfaith delegation was seated in the front pews of the Cathedral. He was asked to wait in the conference rooms below the Cathedral which was the staging area for the 40 bishops, 2 Cardinals and some 250 priests," Wesolek said.
"A staff member was trying to determine how and when to seat him in a way that was appropriate and would not cause any disruption. When they came to get him and seat him, he had left," Wesolek said explaining what had happened as he saw it.
"There was never any intention to exclude the Bishop. We are expressing our apologies to him for the obvious misunderstanding," he said.
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@ truth be an idiot
asking for proof that prayer doesn't work:
Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer
The Power of Prayer Flunks an Unusual Test
Study Showing Prayer Does Not Work
you wanted proof? there ya go. now let's hear your lame excuses...
Well, it looks like it has been scientifically proven that God is not a genie who answers peoples demands.
It's bad enough for the host (in this case Salvatore Cordileone) to appear with so many body guards, but to detain The Episcopal Bishop (Marc Andrus) in the basement is an insult to all of us San Franciscans. I am happy to say I am not Catholic, and I do not recognize the Pope.
Have you told the pope you don't recognize him? White haired, German guy? His picture has been in all the papers.
In my culture, people who issue public insults to their neighbors don’t subsequently appear up at the front door wanting to party with them. Andrus really is a pitiful figure, isn’t he?
'Andrus really is a pitiful figure, isn’t he?'
YES, he is!
Cordileone was arrested several weeks ago on a DUI charge (Google it). He was about to drop his Mother off, which would have left him alone with a young male student. In the aftermath of the pedophile priest scandal, a Catholic bishop choosing to be alone with a teen boy in his car is, at the very least, showing incredibly poor judgment. Likewise, he showed poor judgment when he snubbed the Episcopal bishop due to that church welcoming gay people. And the Catholic hierarchy showed poor judgment in assigning a reckless and rude anti-gay fanatic to serve in San Francisco.
Marjoe Gortner rose to fame in the late 1940s as a child preacher, but he had simply been trained to do this by his parents and he had no personal faith. He was able to perform "miracles" and received large amounts of money in donations. After suffering a crisis of conscience, he invited a film crew to accompany him on a final preaching tour. The resulting film, Marjoe, mixes footage of revival meetings with Gortner's explanations of how evangelists manipulate their audiences. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Doc.umentary Feature, but was not shown widely in the Southern United States due to fears that it would cause outrage in the Bible Belt.
A striking resemblance to pictures of LBJ in his youth.
I just finished watching the whole doc.u.mentary on You Tube. Amazing and a really good film. Highly recommend it.
Jesus is at the door. Remember, don't hurt your knees praying to the anti-christ. He comes first and Jesus gives him his 15 minutes of fame.
Lonnie Frisbee was an American Pentecostal evangelist and self-described "seeing prophet" in the late 1960s and 1970s who despite his "hippie" appearance had notable success as a minister and evangelist. Frisbee was a key figure in the Jesus Movement and was involved in the rise of two worldwide denominations (Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Movement). Both churches later disowned him because he struggled with ho.mose.xuality, which he always taught was sin, removing him first from leadership positions, then ultimately firing him. He died of AIDS-related complications in 1993.
You know Salvatore, now that you're so respectable, I think you're more dangerous than you ever were. In fact, I prefer you when you were just a common priest.
The fact that the pope appointed him is PROOF of Vatican control. It's proof that those in Rome should be hauled into International Criminal Court for criminal conspiracy to hide the child abuse crimes.
I like his pointy tin helmet. The table cloth looks nice on him too.
Texas Judge Adams Beating His Disabled Daughter Hillary
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Texas Judge beats his disabled daughter Hillary. Judge William Adams viciously beats his 16-year-old daughter Hillary, who suffers from Cerebral Palsy. Her crime? Downloading games and music on the Internet. This man blames his wife for Hillary’s so called crime because she allowed a computer in the house.
Here is video (warning this is graphic):
Does this kid need a foster family *now*?? I mean obviously she NEEDS one, but does the poster know if she has gotten the help she needs and if not – who to contact to assist?? We've got the space to take in a kid.
I don't know, but if I remember right she posted this video herself and confronted the issue head on.
I found the story online @
It's good to know the kid is now an adult. I hope she's got access to good health care because growing up in these conditions must have left some emotional damage.
..."No one knows if this Jesus Christ existed, and if he did, NOTHING is known about him!"
"Why I am not a christian" Bertrand Russell 1928
A 14 month old baby girl was severely beaten by her mother’s boyfriend for hours with a belt for being disrespectful and not eating her food. The baby’s mother claims she tried to intervene and was barely harmed and released from the hospital while her baby fought for her life. The baby died.
Where is your God now?
I don't know but his Bishop in San Fransisco is urging women not to live with their boyfriends outside of marriage.
Are you insinuating what I think you are? If so you're even more of an asshat than I thought.
Where is God? The little girl is in joyfull happiness in Heaven with God forever and ever. The person who killed her will reap what he has sown.
But if your right and their is no God the the little girl is lost forever, the person responsible will never pay and life is meaninless.
I place my love and trust in Jesus Christ and His eternal love for all of us!
Yep, that makes sense.
Hawaii, since what you think is usually so far off the beam it doesn't even register I have no idea what you think I am insinuating. What I am saying is that women who randomly, repeatedly and indescriminately expose their children to males who are violent because the think they are in love and have lowered moral boundaries are guilty of child endangerment. Several states have laws to this effect. If she had consulted with a religious advisor of almost any faith in America, she would have been told not to let him in until they were married. It's some of that ancient, iron age goat herder wisdom that worked so well up until about 1970.
Hawaii, since what you think is usually so far off the beam it doesn't even register I have no idea what you think I am insinuating. What I am saying is that women who randomly, repeatedly and indescriminately expose their children to males who are violent because they think they are in love and have lowered moral boundaries are guilty of child endangerment. Several states have laws to this effect. If she had consulted with a religious advisor of almost any faith in America, she would have been told not to let him in until they were married. It's some of that ancient, iron age goat herder wisdom that worked so well up until about 1970.
"On Thursday the Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco held its installation service for new Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone in front of 2,000 invited guests at the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption"
after the ceremony, the priests go down to the cellar where they have all the little boys locked up and truly "celebrate".
You alone are responsible for the filth of your soul.
only you can prevent forest fires.
Bishop Marc Andrus should light a candle that he wasn't inappropriately touched by that employee while waiting in the basement.
Since Marc Andrus supports that why would it be inappropriate?
The Pope – the Holy Father himself – has this very day blessed Michael Corleone; and you think you know better than the Pope?
The Miucci association elected Salvatore Cordileone their Italian American man of the year. He's the Italian American who invented the telephone. He did it one year before Alexander Graham Bell.
Grab the canolis
Too bad you have such a childish notion of what pope Ratty is. He's man, just like you. He poops just like you. He knows nothing you don't know. He's a fallible man, dressed up in fancy robes. He will be laid out on a stone cold slab someday. You should not worship men.
Pope I really hope you are joking. Otherwise I might die laughing.
Are you saying he doesn't sh1t ?
So the pope is just like those fallible men who wrote the books of the New Testament right? God is not powerful enough to ensure that fallible men can write an infallible text, nor is God powerful enough to ensure that a fallible Pope does not teach error on matters of faith and morals when he is doing so in a definitive fashion?
If you deny the Pope's Teaching authority given by Jesus Christ then you have just crowned yourself to be Pope, and are probably worshipping your own holiness!
To the long list of abuse meted out to suspected ho.mose.xuals in Africa, Senegal has added a new form of degradation: the desecration of their bodies. Madieye Diallo's body had only been in the ground for a few hours when the mob descended on the cemetery with shovels. They yanked out the corpse, spit on its torso, dragged it away, and dumped it in front of the home of his parents.
Where is your God now?
God isn't there, and never was.
I know you already know that. I just felt that your interesting posts deserve a response. Cheers.
That's a nice, fancy silk dress that Salvatore is wearing in the picture. Maybe he'd lend it to me. Some of my clients would probably like it.
Some of his lot probably ARE your clients. The ones not going after little boys, anyway.
Arkansas school board member Clint McCanc wrote, "Seriously they want me to wear purple because five que.ers killed themselves. The only way im wearin it for them is if they all commit suicide." Later McCance added, "I like that f*gs cant procreate. I also enjoy the fact that they often give each other aids and die."
Where is your God now?
What does Clint McCanc's hatred have to do with the whereabouts of God?
McCance is so fvcking dumb he can't even see that it's straight people who produce gay people.
And that what he's saying, is they are born that way.
This is so wrong for San Francisco!
A three month old infant had to have half of her skull removed resulting from injuries of torture and abuse by her father. The infant had bruises all over her body, a blood clot in the brain, a fractured skull, many fractured ribs, a fractured wrist which has left her with brain damage. Her doctors believed the baby wouldn’t survive, but she did, although her quality of life will be anybody’s guess.
Where is your God now?
Why did her own father abuse her?
Lol the idiot logic from non-believers...
I don't understand your reply. Can you explain?
The devil made him do it.
@ Where is your God now?:
You ask where God is and then give us a story about how a man abused his daughter. How do the two relate?
If you think God had any hand in the situation, you need to work on your logic skills.
MY logic skills? LOL
Prayer changes things
actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time.
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This troll is not a christian.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!.
It's the same mental midget who used to go by "herbert juarez"
he is a total failure at the interweb...........
You need to add Live4Him to the list now.
And of course your proof is??????
lol u got pwned, kid.
go play some video games or something cause u fail hard at trolling lol u sukk lol
Nothing of the kind no proof just bull sh it and of course all those others know you're full of sh it as well . You're the one pwned. Truth is never trolling.
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proof? do you need proof that actions cause change? pick up a mirror in your house, smash it on the ground - observe the change your actions have caused.
as for prayer, studies show prayer doesn't work. go forward in the posts, i linked studies showing as much.
so it's pretty easy to see that actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time, as i said.