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October 9th, 2012
05:41 AM ET
Man arrested in plot to blow up 48 churches in OklahomaBy Joe Sutton, CNN
Authorities in Oklahoma have arrested and charged a 23-year-old man who they say planned to blow up 48 area churches. Gregory Arthur Weiler II was arrested last week at a motel in Miami, Oklahoma, according to Ben Loring, first assistant district attorney for Ottawa County. Authorities were tipped off to the plot by workers at the motel about 90 miles northeast of Tulsa. One discovered a duffel bag full of Molotov cocktails near the outside trash, while a room service employee reported suspicious items in Weiler's room, said Loring. FULL STORY
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for getting caught?????
you make a lot of sense..... not.... 🙁 🙁 🙂
Report this CNN! Some Christian!
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/
Religions sure do stir up a lot of unresolvable hatred, don't they? The deeply religious folks, better known as 'zealots' actually go mad.
If this man truly was plotting to burn down buildings then he must be prevented from hurting people or property. What a waste it would have been if he had succeeded. Those buildings are going to be converted to community meeting houses and performance centers as the religions leave our society. We just have to wait, for the zealots are getting grey and getting gone.
Seems to me in this case that it's atheism that stirred up the hatred.
I'm sure you intend ot be around all that time after 🙂 🙂 🙂
Maybe he's a Christian posing as an atheist just to give atheists a bad rap.
Taking being a Poe to the extreme!
Sigh . . . nobody reads. He is a Christian cultist who was trying to create a single church. He is a religious purist. It's been all over the news.
Let me guess – you would now like to say that he is not a true Scots . . . uh, Christian, right?
His actions sure doesn't line up with the life and teachings of Christ, so I think it is safe to say no he is not a christian. And applying the "there is no Scottsman" fallacy to everything is in itself a fallacy
@Mike
If the shoe fits. To be a christian, in the most basic sense, is to believe that jesus christ is your lord and savior. That's all. Once you start getting into the nitty gritty you can figure out what kind of christian you are, but if you truely believe that christ is lord then you get to take on the ti.tle of christian. Just because this yahoo perverted everything christ taught so that he could rationalize his actions just means he's a really really really bad christian.
I like the way you recognized that you were committing the "No True Scotsman" fallacy as you wrote your post, and tried to pre-emptively stop the obvious and deserved conclusion. Not much on intellectual honesty, are you?
This guy is the real deal as far as practical atheism is concerned. Glad nobody was hurt though.
"Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
"truth be told" degenerates to:
"The Truth" degenerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
"tina" degenerates to:
"captain america" degenerates to:
"Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
"Chad" degenerates to
"Bob" degenerates to
"nope" degenerates to:
"2357" degenerates to:
"WOW" degenerates to:
"fred" degenerates to:
"!" degenerates to:
"pervert alert"
This troll is not a christian..
Another mentally ill person.....Pray for him all ye Christians, burn him at the stake or do both depending which Church you belong to!
No Christian church advocates burning anyone at the stake. If you want to see capital punishment for transgressions like this, you'll have to look to islam.
Where's the word terrorist in this article?
Good question.
That word is only reserved for Muslims, what do you think?
I guess you missed the part of the article where it explains that he was charged with violating Oklahoma's ANTI TERRORISM law.
Can you camel fvckers even read?
is their any evidence suggesting he was an atheist, no. is there any evidence that he was going to do this, no. in America the man is innocent until you can prove with out a reasonable doubt other wise. their are to many unknown factors in this case, and this report is rather ambiguous to give any definite evidence to the contrary.
but it seem the Christians on this site have already jumped to conclusions, just like the Muslims did about the blasphemy charge of a Pakistani girl.
i don't know about you but my Goddess Athena, want me to remain Just, skeptical and void of making rash opinions.
this man is innocent unless you can prove other wise.
but if i had to make an assumption; this man is troubled.he is likely a victim of persecution at the hands of Christians; like so many LGBTQ, polytheist, animist, spiritualist and atheist are, judging from the torn notes, broken bottles and wicks. he came to his senses. now i ask; any one who has ever faced persecution, how often to you think about retaliation?
even i fill from time to time climbing up the local churches steeple, and taking a chainsaw to the symbol of my suffering and the suffering of my people.
Christians caused this in this man, you are monsters.
Google his name, Sam. You will find that other news agencies have been a bit more thorough: he is a religious fanatic. And a mentally ill junkie. But the one thing he isn't is an atheist.
Is you rgoddesss your own just for you , or are you willing to share? 🙂 🙂 🙂
absolutely
Athena rules
wisdom through reason and skepticism.
not through a horrible tyrant that just "says so"
If you would take a moment
i have been looking into it, it appears he is Christan killing Christians, sectarian violence its called.
he probably thought to him self; all these sects are influenced by Satan, and must be purged,.. or since his life was such a hell,.. "god is evil"
in which case i'm cool with
Prayer changes things
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
I hate psychos who bomb things. They make life suck for everybody.
@Mennoknight,
And Josephus, of course, wasn't written until the 90's AD so again hardly solid historical evidence.
also misposted
Freedom for all of Life
Death to the Tyrant God
all those who support the Tyrant shall be judged
purge the unvirtuous from the world.
to day we do not ride against Fomorii, but the Angels.
we shall avenge Cernunnos.
and kill this treacherous God
dude....You are kidding, right? But, you sound hatefull though – you uncapable litlle ant
belittling her will not ease her rage; that what caused it. still she has a point. the subjugation of nature is enough to despise Christians; the fairy are the forces of nature, so Morrígan has every right to be at rage with Christians
its not terrorism.
its liberation
terrorism is what Christians do; he was fighting the terrorist; we should be giving him a Medal of Honor.
Wow, hate much, Sam?
for getting caught???? yeah! not really you make a lot of sense .. 🙂 🙁 🙂
Petercha i have my reasons, with God its a personal matter.
i have a question Petercha, if some one killed your husband/wife and children; then did the same for every family you love; then through you in to prison for life/eternity because you dared love them, more then him. how would you act?
sorry this goes here
sorry that me different name and incarnation and what.
im also called
Lucifer
the Devil
the Divine feminine
and a
hole host of different names.
im the goddess with 1000 names and one image Damn~nd!
better luck next time brother
@Mennoknight,
And Pliny, I think, didn't so much docu.ment Jesus, but the Christians and what they did. No one denies the existence of Christians.
misposted
ME if you had jesus you wouldnt have misposted
May God guide me in the true ways of the interwebs...
kidding, of course.
Seeeeeee Atheists are evil...we finally have an example.
I bet he is a dirty jew.
Geez, anti-Semitic much, fat guy?
@Mennoknight
" changed the course of history by bringing peace. "
Uh... not so much.
Peace...
About a year ago, I wrote a novel about this happening. No one was interested. It went unpublished.
Was it a religious freak who blew up churches, as this guy is? Or did you chum out total pulp diarrhea and come up with an atheist psychobomber, because you love to villify people with a different opinion than yours?
The terrorist was an atheist, but given that I'm also an atheist, it didn't quite have the bent that you are suggesting. Rather it looked at the problems we have of reducing those of different opinions to villians or idiots. It placed the blame not simply on the person committing the crimes, but on the atmosphere that we have created in our political discourse.
“[Six principles that make for a good story:] 1. Absence of lengthy verbiage of a political-social-economic nature; 2. total objectivity; 3. truthful descriptions of persons and objects; 4. extreme brevity; 5. audacity and originality: flee the stereotype; 6. compassion.”
― Anton Chekhov
Chekhov never said don't touch on political topics–only that we shouldn't spend time writing a treatise within the works. Political novels have been powerful in world literature. Take, for instance, Bulgakov's Master and Margarita or Pamuk's Snow.
Writer
About a year ago, I wrote a novel about this happening. No one was interested. It went unpublished.
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After reading your posts, I see why it was not published. Keep your Burger King job.
Funny how he believing in iron age fairy tales is fine, until you try to blow up a building. Then you have a mental problem.
I have to admit that I can't seem to figure out why it's acceptable to believe in magic sky wizards, virgin births, and talking snakes, but this dude is considered totally loco for wanting to blow something up.
You are nuts! This man wanted to burn down private property, endangering many people's lives.
While on the other hand the story of Jesus is not made up. It is real history recorded by eye witness accounts with the vast majority written down between 15 and 45 years after Jesus (With the book of John and Revelation written down 60 years after).
It is collaborated by over a dozen secular Roman and Jewish historians
It is the true story that changed the course of history by bringing peace.
@Mennoknight
" it changed the course of history by bringing peace. "
Uh... not so much.
Peace...
"It is collaborated by over a dozen secular Roman and Jewish historians"
There is not one contemporary secular account of Jesus existence in Jewish or Roman records.
The first gospels date no sooner than 35 years after the supposed date of Jesus death, and not a single original text exists.
All four gospels contradict each other. All four gospels were edited multiple times before the council of Nicea.
There are over 2,000 conflicting versions of the "true word of god".
"It is the true story that changed the course of history by bringing peace"
Yes those peaceful crusades, the peaceful spanish inquisition, those peaceful witch burnings, and the peaceful holocaust.
Oh, and this bomber guy is one of your own. Yeah peaceful.
It is bizarre that society has zero problem with delusional zealots believing a story that has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
And the word you are looking for is "corroborated."
@derp,
I don't disagree with your point, but I think the word you are looking for is "contemporaneous".
The Christian's faith is based on the historic reality of Jesus Nazareth who is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have existed. From a Secular Perspective: Roman Historians
1. Thallus (52AD)
2. Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
3. Suetonius (69-140AD)
4. Tacitus (56-120AD)
5. Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
And the Jewish Historian: Josephus (37-101AD)
The New Testament is the guild-line to Christian living. It is historically accurate. The Letters of Paul were started around 15 years after Jesus and finished around 35 years after.
And Luke/Acts is written about the 30 years of Jesus life and the 30 years after Jesus. I challenge you to check out the historical accuracy of Luke/Acts. What you will find will sock you. Check out Sir William Ramsay
@Mennoknight
Ahem...
" it changed the course of history by bringing peace. "
Uh... not so much.
Peace...
1. Thallus (52AD)
2. Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
3. Suetonius (69-140AD)
4. Tacitus (56-120AD)
5. Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
And the Jewish Historian: Josephus (37-101AD)
And yet not a single one was written when jesus was actually supposedly alive.
Again, there is no record whatsoever of anything to do with jesus life written while it was actually supposed to be happening.
The earliest accounts are decades afterwards.
Ever play whisper down the lane.
Care to explain why there is over 2000 versions of the bible?
"I don't disagree with your point, but I think the word you are looking for is "contemporaneous"."
No, I actually meant contemporary. However, contemporaneous would probably work as well.
"contemporary, contemporaneous, simultaneous, synchronous, concurrent, coincident, concomitant
These adjectives mean existing or occurring at the same time. Contemporary is used more often of persons, contemporaneous of events and facts"
On second, though maybe contemporaneous would have been better. Since I am disputing the actual existence of jesus, is that a challenge of the persons existence, or the facts surrounding their existence?
For your criteria there is Luke / Acts as your answer:
All great histories are written that way. For instance I just finished reading the Rise and Fall of the Thrid Riecht by William L. Shirer. He interviewed and researched and I learned what happened during that dark time in history. But by your standards, because it was written 53 years after the events it is no good.
It is written much as any great history book is written. It is first written by a Roman trained historian who was also a doctor. It is also a combination of personal eye witnesses accounts (Mary, Peter, James half brother of Jesus, Paul etc...) as well as personally being a eye witness.
Luke writes 30 years after, and then in the second half of the story he himself enters into the narrative as part of the journey!
Every location, every secular leader is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have lived and existed at this time. Luke's narratives are simply phenomenal.
Care to explain why there is over 2000 versions of the bible?
This is extremely simple and easy to explain. These are Not versions but translations. The bible has been translated in part or in whole into over 2200 languages. That means that there is a different translation for each language. And then in langues like English we update the grammar and wording as our language changes over the years.
And all reputable translations say the same thing in all critical areas of theology. The only difference is word order.
But please don't just talk about the Bible, read it.
The perfect place to start it read Luke / Acts.
derp,
Your analogy of whisper down the lane does not work when you are dealing with the written word.
When you have something written out in front of you, you then copy it word for word and then get three separate people to proof read, the changes for mistakes are very slim.
@Mennoknight,
Not a scholar, but wasn't Thallus the subject of a debunking by Africanus about the "darkness" being an eclipse? In other worlds, isn't the mention of Thallus not only second hand, but also a statement that Africanus didn't agree with Thallus.
@Mennoknight,
And Pliny, I think, didn't so much docu.ment Jesus himself, but rather the Christians and what they did. No one denies the existence of Christians.
@Mennoknight,
Also, didn't Suetonius' reference place Jesus in Rome in 49AD disturbing the peace, which caused Cladius to kick the Jews out of Rome? How is that a validation of historicity of Jesus? Or are you claiming the resurrected Jesus was causing riots in Rome in 49AD?
@Mennoknight,
Tacitus apparently wasn't written until ~110 AD, hardly strong historical evidence.
@Mennoknight,
Mara Bar-Serapion is interesting for its apparently pagan source, but your date of 70AD is quite optimistic, isn't it? Isn't it actually dated at "sometime after 73 AD but before the 3rd century," And it doesn't actually mention Jesus, or Christ, or Chritians, does it.
@Mennoknight,
And Josephus, of course, wasn't written until after 90AD so again hardly solid historical evidence.
@mennoknight, not to be seen as piling on, I didn't read all the responses I admit, but the story of Jesus, if written by the Greeks, would have been a comedy or a tragedy, depending on who wrote it. If Shakespear had written it, then it would have been seen as great literature, NOTHING more.
The fact that there are so many contradictions even in the Bible, of the life of Jesus, makes his existence suspect. Add that to the fact that NOT ONE single first century historian wrote a single word, not so much about Jesus, but about the remarkable event that was his birth and his death. At his death, supposedly the earth shook, day turned to night, and the eath opened up and dead prophets rose and walked among men. Sounds like a current day Zombie movie to me.
Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely.