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Obama camp, liberal groups use VP debate to organize Catholic voters
The debate between Paul Ryan, left, and Joe Biden marks the first time two Catholic vice presidential nominees are facing off.
October 11th, 2012
12:27 PM ET

Obama camp, liberal groups use VP debate to organize Catholic voters

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – As it organizes Catholic watch parties for Thursday night’s debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan, who are both Roman Catholic, the Obama campaign hasn’t been shy about suggesting that the GOP vice presidential nominee hasn’t lived up to his Catholic values.

“For Catholic outreach, a defining moment in this campaign has been (Mitt) Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate,” said Broderick Johnson, a senior adviser with Barack Obama’s campaign who spearheads Catholic outreach efforts.

“The Ryan budget has entered into quite a debate, particularly among Catholics, in terms of the moral test and what is in that budget and what the budget proposes to slash.”

Johnson is referring to the proposed budget that Ryan crafted in his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee, which was roundly criticized by many Catholic interests – including by the Catholic bishops – for cutting programs that help the poor.

The Obama camp hopes the debate will provide an opportunity to reprise such Catholic criticisms of Ryan. “The vice presidential debate will be a significant event and will provide a strong contrast on how these two men from the same faith come to two different visions for the country,” said Michael Wear, Obama's national faith vote coordinator.

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For a party that has often been accused of insufficient piety by its Republican and conservative opponents, Democrats' implications that the GOP vice presidential nominee has fallen short of his Catholic faith are a dramatic turnabout.

And it’s not the only way the Obama campaign and liberal groups are using Thursday’s debate to organize Catholic voters, one of the country’s big swing voting constituencies.

Beyond encouraging Catholic watch parties, the Obama campaign has been visiting Catholic colleges in swing states and dispatching Catholic campaign surrogates to address Catholic groups in the leadup to the debate.

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“Every time I see the president, we talk about how Catholic outreach is going,” Johnson said. “He’s very interested in that, and it makes my job more meaningful.”

Left-leaning Catholic groups that aren’t officially connected to the Obama campaign have been even more vocal in attacking Ryan from a Catholic perspective.

“Some of his positions are fundamentally at odds with the teachings of the Catholic Church,” said a Ryan critique issued this week by dozens of Catholic theologians and other Catholic scholars.

The organizers of the statement, part of a group called On All of Our Shoulders, said that while Catholic politicians who support abortion rights are often called out for their differences with their church, “Catholic Republicans who dissent from church teaching on issues such as torture, war, the environment and the economy receive far less scrutiny.”

With Ryan, progressive Catholic groups have taken particular aim his proposed budget, which passed the House but not the Senate.

A letter to Ryan from faculty at Georgetown, a Catholic university, summed up the Catholic opposition to the proposal: “We would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few.”

This year, a group of progressive nuns organized a “nuns on the bus tour” to decry what it called the Ryan budget’s “slashing of programs for the poor.”

This week, the nuns reprised the tour, criss-crossing Ohio just in time for the vice presidential debate. “He clearly has not been where I’ve been," Simon Campbell, an organizer of the tour, told MSNBC of Ryan. “He just is out of touch.”

A progressive group called Catholics United is organizing watch parties for the debate, noting in an e-mail blast to supporters that the event marks the first time two Catholics vying for the White House are facing off.

“This election is coming down to the wire and the Catholic vote will certainly play an important role in determining who will win,” the group said.

The Romney campaign, like the Obama campaign, has rolled out a Catholic outreach effort. And Ryan has invoked his Catholic faith on the campaign trail after defending his budget in distinctly Catholic terms earlier in the year.

“The work I do, as a Catholic holding office, conforms to the social doctrine as best I can make of it,” Ryan said in an April speech at Georgetown in which he responded to criticism of his budget.

Ryan has promoted the Catholic idea of “subsidiarity,” which he says means that “the government closest to the people governs best” and which he says informs his budget proposal.

When Romney introduced Paul as his running mate over the summer, the Republican presidential hopeful called him “a faithful Catholic” who “believes in the worth and dignity of every human life.”

About one in four American voters is Catholic, though there is such a broad range in Catholic political concerns and voting habits that many political experts reject the notion of a cohesive Catholic bloc.

Catholics have voted with the winning presidential candidate in every election since the early 1990s.

In 2008, Obama beat John McCain among Catholics by 54% to 45%. In 2004, John Kerry – the first Catholic nominee for president since John F. Kennedy – lost the Catholic vote to George W. Bush, provoking Democrats to take Catholic outreach more seriously.

Both major parties had America’s highest-profile Catholic cleric, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, give the closing prayer at their recent political conventions.

–CNN’s Dan Merica contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Bishops • Catholic Church • Joe Biden • Paul Ryan • Politics

soundoff (517 Responses)
  1. EX catholic

    Catholics are Idolaters, idolatry is worship to demons, therefore catholics in their Idolatry worship demons. That can be easily demons-trated by Scripture.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • EX catholic

      Demonic practices and their worship, which is the Idolatry of the Roman-catholic Politico-religious Organization. Is a serious and grave SIN. It brakes and is a Violation of the first and second Commandments.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
  2. ggab91

    Biden's stance is horrid. If you are pro choice, do not say you personally believe life begins at conception like Biden did during the debate. If you believe it is a human life and it is innocent, you must want to protect it. If you are pro choice, you have to believe human life begins at birth. It is not the middle ground to say I personally believe it is a human life but don't want to impose my belief on others. It is eqaually bad to say I'm not sure if it is a human life, therefore it is okay to kill it. The blatent disregard for innocent human life is the worst possible stance.

    October 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  3. CATHOLICS FOR ROMNEY

    Liars are not Catholics. So, Catholics would vote for non-commie. Which means for Romney.

    October 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • EX catholic

      Catholics do practice idolatry is the same as demons worship. Therefore catholics in their Idolatry do worship demons. That can be easily demons-trated with the Bible.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  4. Bob

    I am Catholic and nowhere in the Bible does it call for government to take care of the poor. It is up to each one of us to do that, so the liberal faction of the Church have it all wrong. Interestingly, they are the same ones that want the government to stay out of religion and yet scream if their special interest groups have cuts in their hand-outs. How can these "do gooders" really believe they are following the teachings of the Church? Biden too is wrong when he said it isn't up to him to force his beliefs on others. It is TOTALLY his repsonsibility to do just that, if he read the Bible.

    October 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      totally agree, and in addition, Biden pretends that he found the way out by saying that he does not have to force his believes in others, but the fact is that HE IS FORCING HIS TWISTED BELIEF IN PROMOTING ABORTION IN OTHERS WITH OBAMACARE AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OBAMA HAS PROVIDED TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD IN FOUR YEARS! Biden is simply a disgrace and should be expelled from the Church immidiately.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Benjamin Singleton

      Bob has it 100% right. I am a Ukrainian Orthodox.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Agree 100%

      October 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • EX catholic

      Catholics do practice idolatry in their worship. Idolatry is the same as the worship of demons. Therefore catholics do in fact worship demons. That is NOT difficult to demons-trate by Scripture.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Rudeman

      "I am Catholic and nowhere in the Bible does it call for government to take care of the poor. It is up to each one of us to do that"
      Aside from that fact that you do not list yourself as a scholar I can only accept that you are merely a person with an opinion on the Bible. ANYONE can have an opinion. Some have different views with you including those folks mentioned in the article; the Nuns on tour and some folks at Georgetown. They seem to feel strongly that helping the poor is something the Bible suggests. I'm going to disagree with you.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
  5. Raptor 612

    The catholic nuns really helped turn this race around for Obama, in my opinion, when they started their bus tour to explain to people how Lyin Ryan and Lyin Willardo were going to destroy medicare and healthcare as they know it.
    When nuns and bishops speak out against the criminal repukes, they should be congratulated for it.
    This "Baindead" pick of Ryan is going to cause lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron to lose the nun and bishop votes. They HATE Ryan and his lies.

    Any senior or anyone else on medicare who votes for a pathetic, psychotic, facist repuke for president is cutting their own throat. Your medicare costs will go up about $6,000 a year, and your secondary insurance will skyrocket. This is according to the CBO. The National Council of Bishops who support the lying repukes only because of abortion, have highly cr iticized the Ryan voucher plan as being cruel and harsh and can't support it. It gives an average $250,000 tax cut to millionaires while cutting medicare.
    There is a group of nuns travelling around the country who call themeselves "Nuns on a Bus". Their goal is to correct all the false information and lies spread by Paul Ryan that his plan is going help anyone but the wealthiest 2%. They also claim the the Ryan plan is a disaster for the poor and needy people in this country and that you should vote against the republicans.
    Once the medicare funds get into the hands of the repukes corporate criminal backers, it will be destroyed.
    Repukes are typical right wing dunces that listen to Fox Lies with Eric Bowleggs, David Axxwipes and The Sludge. Even Miss Piggy has more brains than these braindead repukes, as she knows that Faux News is only a pretend news channel and is only a poor excuse for a comedy channel.
    There had to be a reason that Rick the Dick Sanitarium and Nut Gingerhead, the criminal lobbyist both agreed that lyin Willardo is the worst person to ever run for president in U.S. history, that he can't be trusted and will destroy our country.
    They both brought Etch A Sketch boards to their news conferences to prove their points.

    October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      The Bishops have aslo attacked obamacare for its promotion of abortion and contraception and the attack to the religious liberty (they have even called for civil desobidience and filed numerous lawsuites against obamacare across the nation). The "nuns" you refer to must be the feminists/liberal non doctrinal groups that are on the verge of being expelled from the Church, so nobody needs to listen to them.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has called on American Catholics to participate in a Rosary Novena for Life and Liberty Oct. 14-22

      October 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
  6. John Edge

    It doesn't matter what Democrat Catholics think........I'm Roman Catholic. Democrat Catholics are the NEW Catholics in America. REAL Catholics are Roman Catholics. We believe in the Cathechism and the Catholic Dogma.
    They don't. So their NEW CHURCH really doesn't exist.
    Don't believe these so called "democrat catholics".

    October 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Hdtexan

      So is YOUR faction the pedophile enabling, child -raping faction or is that the OTHER one? Or is it both???

      October 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  7. Travelmpq

    That's really rich. The "Catholic" Democrats charging that Ryan is not in step with Catholic moral values, while they continue to unashamedly advocate abortion. They've just given new meaning to the term hypocrite.

    October 12, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  8. Allan

    I have a degree in theology, worked for the Catholic Church in a professional capacity for 30 years and am still an active and practicing Catholic. For me, this really is a matter of trying to discern between two evils. The current plank of the Democratic Party essentially favors the removal of all protections for the lives of unborn children. I cannot accept the idea that human life is disposable when it becomes inconvenient. On the other hand, the Republican Party wants to descimate programs that aid the poor, unemployed, sick, elderly and vulnerable while giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy. Both parties are light years from the teachings of Christ and from Catholic social teachings.

    October 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Ron

      Allan, you are absolutely correct. I don't practice any religion nor do I have religious beliefs but I am absolutely with you on this. Who was it who said – if Jesus came back and run on any Republican primary election, he wouldn't even make thr cut becasue he would be branded as "too liberal" and actually "communist". Not even the conservative icon Reagan would be able to go through the primaries. that's too funny.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      There is no confusion here about the Catholic Church's doctrine: the protection of life from conception to natural death is the most basic element to decide for which candidate you vote. Obama, Biden, and the decomcrats party platform clearly promotes abortion and euthanasia. Your vote as a real Catholic should then be for the Republican party. No brainer.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      And see the abismal difference between the two vice president candidates:

      Ryan: I am defined by my Catholic Faith, and believe that life begins at conception. Therefore I am committed t protect life (couraegous real Catholic)

      Biden: I am...also...defined by my faith.... but let's continue promoting abortion! (false Catholic, evil instrument)

      October 12, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Jesusisalive

      Unfortunately for your theocracy, not everyone is a single issue voter like you seem to be advocating.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      Of course there can be a single issue to consider, just think that if one of the candidates openly promoted terrorism, would you care about the other issues? but in this case is easier, it just happens that the candidate that attacks the basice single issue for Catholics (promotes abortion), that is Obama, just happens to be the same that is worng about the economy, employment, spending, etc. So where is the confusion? Just vote for Romney.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Hdtexan

      So, let me get this straight....Was Jesus advocating for the raping of young children or is that just your Pope?

      October 12, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Jesusisalive

      If you only take a single issue into account, then that just shows a complete lack of thought on your end. Especially if that stance is to let others make their own choices. You don't agree with people doing it, so what? You have no right to force others to adhere to your own moral code on purely religious grounds.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Allan, I have two questions:
      1. As a theologian, using the catechism can you describe the Church's development of social justice without teh foundation of the right to life?
      2. Can you show instances where the Republican's have descimated social programs beyond what is prudent?

      October 12, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • Rudeman

      @Bill Deacon
      Don't kid yourself. Most Republicans believe Romney was correct when he said 47% of Americans are looking for a hand out. Republicans do not not like social programs and will cut them when given the chance. Have they cut any programs beyond what is prudent? Well what do you consider prudent? We won't cut defense spending but I believe the VA hospitals are below "prudent" standard. Damn those Vets looking to live off the government.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
  9. Peter

    I dare one of the people to call me or come to my house and tell me to vote for Barak Obama.

    October 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • sam

      And then what, tough guy?

      October 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Peter

      You said, "I dare one of the people to call me or come to my house and tell me to vote for Barak Obama."
      Anyone with half a brain wouldn't need to be told.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Ron

      Post your address you poor pretend and we will come 🙂

      October 12, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      I will protect you if any ignorant still thinks that they could force us to vote for the baby killer, the employment killer, the marriage killer, the economy killer obama and his acomplice biden.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  10. kfish

    Was hard to watch the substance of the debate with Joe Biden's antics and interference . He even lectured the moderator. Loose cannon come to mind. The Biden theater overtook substance There was some substance. that the pundits will mull over But Joe Biden is a hairs breath away from the presidency. That's a scary thought after what transpired last light. As far as not knowing or going to National security briefings. I believe that in the Job description. Joe is a good politician,. that doesn't make him right. Paul Ryan was measured, respectful and thoughtful. This was not a sports event but serious debate on the future course of our nation. Save the antics for a bar room.

    October 12, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • BunnyBunny

      It seems strange to care more about someone's demeanor in aggressively pushing back against lies, rather than the lies themselves. Ryan got his rear handed to him.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • sam

      Ryan was often shrill and sounded like he was an inch from having a freakout. That kid is out of his league, and he's so full of it his eyes should be brown. He was a disingenious liar last night.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      Senile Biden exploded in fury (laughed like a clown) when bright Ryan exposed the obama's administration inability to propose any single balanced budget. Of course, they will never do it because they want to continue wasting our tax money in paying the rich inefficient companies, devolving the favor to corrupt groups that voted for them and continue travelling (him, and his wife) while the 16 trillion debt continues growing, 23 million unemployed people struggle to survive. In the meantime, inept Biden only laughs. Pathetic! We the young Americans are with Romney and Ryan!

      October 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  11. Bill Deacon

    Did you think Catholics don't acknowledge evolution?

    October 12, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • John Williams

      Catholics acknowledge evolution, and encourage scientific study wherever it leads. It may be difficult to understand apparent conflicts between Scripture and and scientific discovery. Also, I agree that so-called liberal Catholics are acting outside their faith when they support abortion rights and pro-choice candidates. The support of social causes on behalf of the poor and displaced is very important to the Catholic, however. In the voting booth, Catholics are often placed in a difficult spot. The Church places the abortion issue as the deciding issue because it supports life and the dignity of both the mother and child. This has been made clear at Mass and in Catholic media. Let us all pray or hope or work for (your choice) reconciliation between all of us.

      October 12, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Peter

      Sorry John Willliams but the Cathechism of the Catholic Church CLEARLY states abortion and euthanasia are intrinsic evils anyone who supports someone who would sign pro abortion legislation into law or who would vote for it are complict in the evil. All other issues are prudential judgements and you will not find another organization in the history of the world that has done more for women, children and the poor then the Catholic Church.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Jesusisalive

      of course Catholics recognize that evolution exists, is is God's creation to adjust to the environment. Microevolution, that is. Macroevolution, shift between species has not been proved by evolutionists as much as they would love to. There is no transitional archeological evidence to prove it at all. And the Catholic Church promotes that Faith and reason (e.g. science) go together. Science only proves and confirms the beauty of the Creator's works.
      On social teaching there is no doubt either, you cannot pretend to care for the poor when you are promoting the killing of the babies, the destruction of marriage as God planned since the beginning and assisted suicide to avoid suffering (Euthanasia). Any average Catholic who attend Sunday Mass and reads the Cathechism knows that.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Jesusisalive

      You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to evolution, so don't even try. You're just showing your own ignorance.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • John Williams

      My personal opinion, Peter, is in complete agreement with your own. My opinion is drawn from Catholic instruction. Why is that no matter what one writes in these comments, someone must one-up it. What I wrote is completely correct. You simply reflect Catholic teaching without compromise and so do I, yet I know what people are thinking when they decide. Remember, your devotion to our faith does not make you better than those who do not share it. Before making vitriolic speeches, we all should exercise a little humilty. And that is Catholic!

      October 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Rob Poole

      @Jesusisalive
      hawaiiguest is absolutely right, and you are mistaken about the Catholic Church's stance on evolution. I was raised Roman Catholic, had 8 years of Catholic education (including 4 years at a Catholic high school), and was taught evolution in biology class, period. Not some bowdlerized version, not "micro-evolution," etc. The only time the Church's stance was brought up was the statement that the Church recognizes that God guided the process. That's it. The creation-science-y / intelligent-design-y business you bring up, "missing" transitional fossils, etc., are not at all promoted by Catholic dogma — that's something supported by fundamentalist Protestants. You know, heretics. Pope Benedict XVI came out against Christian fundamentalism just last month, and I believe Pius XII in 1943 took a very similar stance.

      October 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  12. Carpenter

    Sorry but I can't imagine Catholics voting for a Abortion loving Communist and if they do then they sure are very good Catholics

    October 12, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Peter

      Neither can I

      October 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • BunnyBunny

      Nuns on the bus.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Gasp ! Commies ?!? Where ?

      October 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • BunnyBunny

      Republicans are always thinking the Communists are coming for them. Look out, here they come. You would think it was 19850 or something.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Hdtexan

      You conservutards who are too lazy or stupid, (or both) to look-up "Communist", "Marxist", "Socialist" CRACK ME UP!!!!!

      October 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Dick Morris has called Obama a Marxist. Maybe he cracks you up too

      October 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
  13. mbowles201

    Here it goes: http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2012/10/10/darden-restaurants-looks-to-limit.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search

    October 12, 2012 at 7:34 am |
  14. Reality

    (Only for the new members of this blog)

    Observe how abortion is coming to the front of the election issues.

    From CNN's home page:

    ELECTION CENTER

    "O'Brien grills GOP boss on abortion

    Romney takes heat for abortion talk

    Foes get personal on abortion"

    And why is that? Democrats know how to count votes.

    To wit:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    Bottom line: Watching last night's debate was a waste of your time.

    October 12, 2012 at 7:15 am |
  15. don

    wow i'm surprise people are not talking about the abortion question at all, I'm really shock with ryans answer, he is PRO-LIFE!!!!!!!!!life starts at conception. but with him being on Romneys side. now he is ok with abortion with exceptions. The man has no dignity at all.

    October 12, 2012 at 6:48 am |
    • mbowles201

      Because that should not be a deciding factor in a presidential debate. Not that it isnt important, just not a presidential issue. Too many people elect presidents based on a single issue and that is how you get into the mess we are in now.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:37 am |
  16. HeavenSent

    I pray because God needs me to tell him what to do.

    Amen..

    October 12, 2012 at 12:52 am |
  17. Jerry

    Attention all Christian right wingers here is what Romney thinks of your faith ...... Orson Pratt one of the early apostles of the Mormon Church asserted that it is bold prudence for the non – Mormon churches to call them selves Christian churches since QUOTE: “They have nothing to do with Christ, neither does Christ have anything to do with them, only to pour out upon them the plagues written…… All who will not repent, as the authority is once more restored to the earth, and come forth out of the apostate churches and be adopted into the Church of Christ (Mormon) and earnestly seek after the blessings and miraculous gifts of the gospel shall be thrust down to hell, saith the Lord God of Hosts.” That is how they take the name of """Christ""" whom they believe was not born of a virgin. Calling themselves Christian, they are experts""" at smoke and mirrors.

    October 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Peter

      Romney hasn't attacked the Church and wants to curb abortion. Catholics have seen enough of Barak Obama's plan for us.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  18. SM McMahon

    Old people aren't foolish. Most of them aren't all that healthy, either.

    Everyone should realize that if Republicans repeal "Obamacare" and Romney/Ryan went ahead with the voucher system than about 90% of Medicare eligible folks would be totally BEREFT!

    Try going out at age 70 to buy yourself some health insurance with your stinking voucher. So you've got high blood pressure, prostate cancer, osteoporosis or heart disease. Sorry, that's a pre-existing condition which WOULD have been covered under Obamacare, but no longer. We're sorry, but your medications won't be covered, either. And be happy because you didn't have to go before any death panel to arrive at this sorry state.

    I think we have to live with a fact about the GOP. The party cannot ever tell people, even their supporters, at least the ones that aren't millionaires, what they will actually do if they have the chance. If they did, they would never elect another Republican to national office. They get away with it in some congressional districts – the ones gerrymandered to the point of idiocy. But, not with most Senate races and definitely not for President.

    Consequently the GOP must lie, obfuscate and demonize the opponent to elect a President. We get lies about them wanting to preserve Medicare. They can't tell the truth – they want to eliminate it, they always have. They can't tell the truth about lowering taxes for the wealthy – it's not about creating jobs, it's about taking care of their big donors. They can't tell the truth about global warming – they know it's happening, they don't care because any action to save the planet would hurt profits. They can't tell the truth about spending – they are not against spending, they just want to spend on the military and their corporate sponsors. The can't tell the truth about the size of government – they don't want a small government, they want a government so big it can police every womb.

    To elect a President, Republicans have to lie because no one in their right mind would buy what they are actually selling.

    And to the comment that their plan would only affect those under 55 (changed,as a "concession"), well, I'm under 55 (just) and after paying into the plan for the past 35 years, I object, and my parents are not that selfish to not object its effect on their children and grandchildren.

    I am an Irish-descent, cultural Catholic. Ryan is an abomination by any measure, and Romney endorsed his plan. Nuff said.

    October 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Holy Cow

      I am relatively young, and I cannot change from my rip-off grandfathered 21%-per-year-rate-hike because I have a minor condition that costs the insurance next to nothing to handle (and never will cost more in the future). Some small business owners I know pay 1/3 of their income for their own personal insurance, with NO medical conditions.

      If you prefer the old way of doing medical insurance, you really haven't been paying attention. I mean, you REALLY haven't been paying attention!

      Obamacare may not be the answer, but the old way is definitely about the worst way of doing it . . . unless you are an insurance company or a pharmaceuticals corporation.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • TJ Fod

      As a 39 year old participating catholic (I have kids and all catholics go to mass when they have kids), it is obvious that seniors will have a great deal under Romney-Ryan, the question is what will become of people of my generation.

      This kindly gentleman of Irish extraction may not realize that his contribution to Medicare IS MUCH SMALLER than mine and it is all being spent on his generation. There is NO MATH that will support this system unless younger people like Ryan's ideas are fleshed out. The problem with recipients today is that they are not looking out for the people who are paying 90% of the freight- the younger generation. I'd say that is not living up to their Catholic Values.
      s m

      October 12, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • Syrus T Justice

      How about getting the facts right, it's not a voucher system and people currently on the system will stay on the system with no changes,,,,,,,,,,,gloom and doom and scare tactics don't make reality.......

      October 12, 2012 at 11:15 am |
  19. Ronald Regonzo

    Ryan vs Biden a tko in Ryans favor on the first question. Expect Biden to fumble on introduction. Romney / Ryan 2012

    October 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • === o ===

      Biden crushed Eddie Munster.

      And, to my delight, Ryan evidently agrees with evolution and proved it by saying his daughter was born from a bean.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Didn't you know Catholics acknowledge evolution?

      October 12, 2012 at 9:19 am |
  20. Ronald Regonzo

    Ryan walks on water while Biden steps in it ... again. It isn't too hard to accept that Biden will step in it but for the love of Pete It's the same pile ! Romney / Ryan 2012

    October 11, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • === o ===

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" or "...." where he writes such lovely posts as "QUE ERS THE ONES WHO GAVE AIDS TO AMERICA"
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this h0mophobe as
      the disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer's boot camp "flunkie".

      October 11, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Eat sh it and die, it is qu eers the folks who gave AIDS to the world

      October 11, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Maestro

      Seems to me that the one who is so totally focused on gay people is the real pervert. Eat sh it and LIVE, degenerate.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah, RR's in the closet trying on his mommy's shoes and his sister's panties.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • just wondering

      @tom tom the pipers son
      Are you saying that in hate and bigotry against trans gender people? Do you view cross dressing as a sin?

      October 12, 2012 at 4:48 am |
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