October 13th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

Shining light on Emory school's past anti-Semitism prompts healing – and, for one man, questions

By Jessica Ravitz, CNN

Atlanta (CNN) – Sixteen years after Susan Shulman Tessel lost her father, she sat on a Southern college campus Wednesday night and couldn't stop thinking about him. Surrounded by hundreds in a packed ballroom, she cried because he was missing. He should have been there with her and her mother. He deserved to be.

The late Irving Shulman was the only Jewish man to enter Emory University’s School of Dentistry in 1948. That was the same year someone else came to the school: the newly appointed dean, John E. Buhler.

After one academic year, Shulman flunked out. Buhler stayed on for 13 years, leading what some Jewish students would refer to as a “reign of terror.” Between 1948 and 1961, when Buhler left, 65% of Jewish students either failed out or were forced to repeat up to two years of coursework in the four-year program.

Those who lasted often paid. There were insults from professors such as “dirty Jew,” accusations by faculty of cheating and questions from the dean like, “Why do you Jews want to be dentists? You don't have it in your hands.”

Tessel's dad earned the distinction of being the first who failed.

Irving Shulman's widow, Irma Shulman-Weiner, and daughter Susan Shulman Tessel came to Emory last week because he couldn't.

His daughter, who lives in New York, heard him tell stories about the constant reminders of how awful he was. His molds of teeth  which he was so proud of  would either get crushed by hands or grades. Convinced he wasn't being treated fairly, a non-Jewish classmate agreed to turn in one of Shulman's molds under his name. Shulman's handiwork earned that student an A-minus.

“At least he knew he didn't make it up,” Tessel said.

Her late father gave up his dentistry dream and moved on to pharmacy school. But, she said, being at Emory last week would have helped him make sense of what had transpired. That's when 19 former Jewish dental students who had experienced that era came together and finally received the apology and recognition they had never thought possible.

“He didn't have the benefit of knowing he wasn't alone."

'A fraternity of silence'

Three years after Shulman was dubbed a failure at the end of his first academic year, Perry Brickman got his surprise letter from the dean telling him the same. Unlike Shulman, though, he had never been told he wasn't doing well.

Stunned. Embarrassed. Brickman was both. But he wasn't beaten down enough to give up on dentistry and was accepted to the dental school at the University of Tennessee, where he graduated fourth in his class. He would go on to have a 43-year career as a respected oral surgeon in Atlanta. He knew he was no failure. He also knew he wasn't alone. He was one of four Jewish men who entered the school in 1951; two years later they were all gone.

Brickman, 79, wasn't one to bring up the past. In 2000, he went to a reunion of his Jewish fraternity brothers from their Emory undergrad days. It turned out eight of the men in the room had been scarred by the same dental program, but it's not something they talked about. Brickman's wife, Shirley, would later start calling the former dental students “a fraternity of silence.”

It would be years before that would change.

In 2006, Emory University celebrated its 30th anniversary of Jewish studies. Eric Goldstein, a Jewish history professor, set up the exhibit to coincide with the event. He called it, “Jews of Emory: Faces of a Changing University.”

Most of the exhibit was a celebration of the campus’ Jewish life, Goldstein said, but a small section jumped out at Brickman.

He stared at statistics, a bar graph that illustrated what happened at the dental school between 1948 and 1961. The image had been featured in a chapter of “Some of My Best Friends...,” a book published by the Anti-Defamation League in the early 1960s. Like a skyscraper among short buildings, he said, the bar showing the numbers of Jews who failed out of the school or repeated coursework towered above all others. He couldn't believe what he was seeing.

The visual highlighted what Brickman always suspected about the dental school leadership and how that period was handled at Emory: “I wasn't a failure. They were a failure.”

He knew there were stories behind those numbers  not just of those who hadn't made it but also of those who did. Between the statistics and a conversation with a still-burdened classmate, Brickman set out on a path to find them all.

Making waves

A month before one man got his degree, he was forced to stand before the dean and assembled faculty for an hourlong dressing down. Later, one of the professors pulled the student aside and apologized, saying he had a wife and children to think about and had no choice but to play along.

Another said the day he got his diploma he felt like he'd been released from prison. A third repeated what a professor used to call him, "my little black sheep,” and then, bothered by the memory, muttered under his breath, “son of a bitch.”

These men said they were the "lucky" ones; the ones who actually made it through to earn degrees from the school. The 39 Jews who Brickman said enrolled during the Buhler era were all men; few women attended the school back then. Of that bunch, a dozen flunked out. Only three of those 12 became dentists. At least 15 of the Jewish dental students who lasted were forced to repeat coursework – and in some cases a year or two of study.

Art Burns, 80, of Jacksonville, Florida, flunked out in 1953 but went on to be first in his class at Temple University's dental school. The retired orthodontist recalled later bumping into the Emory dean in an Army base dental lab. Buhler looked at him and said, “Burns, I'd recognize that nose anywhere.”

Another who didn't fail – but who Buhler insisted didn't have the hands for dentistry – found himself being asked to treat dental school faculty throughout his senior year. Crowns, restorations, fillings. You name it, Ronald Goldstein did it.

“I must have had good enough hands for them,” said Goldstein, 78, of Atlanta, who lectures around the world, is considered a pioneer in his field and wrote the first comprehensive textbook on cosmetic dentistry.

The men were accepted to the school because admissions were handled by the broader university and not the dental school alone, said history professor Goldstein (no relation to Ronald). While quotas worked against Jews in many institutions at the time, the Emory dental school story was unique in that these students faced discrimination after they arrived.

Art Burns, with his wife, Olly, and daughter Marlēn, failed out of Emory's dental school but was first in his class of 131 students at Temple University.

The issues were talked about in small circles, but they weren’t discussed loudly.

What student would announce he'd flunked? What parents would talk about such news, especially in a community that put such emphasis on academic achievement? And this was Emory, a hometown liberal arts jewel many local Jews attended; who would criticize – or believe criticism about – such a place?

Beyond these hangups was the worry about backlash that permeated Atlanta's Jewish community. It was rooted in fears born of history and reality – Atlanta's infamous lynching of Leo Frank in 1913, the ongoing activity of the Ku Klux Klan, the 1958 bombing of the city's most prominent synagogue. Israel was still a fledgling nation. This was also the immediate post-Holocaust era, a time when Jewish people in America were just starting to understand the magnitude of what had happened abroad, said Deborah Lauter, the Anti-Defamation League's civil rights director.

“It was a real period of insecurity for the Jewish community, and that didn’t really shift 'til 1967,” after the Six-Day War between Israel and its neighbors, she said. “With a war victory came a newfound confidence of Jewish people.”

But a small handful of Atlanta Jews refused to let go of what was happening at the dental school. Art Levin, 95, paid attention to every snippet. Then the Southeast regional director of the ADL, Levin was determined to make Emory own up to and deal with the dental school's anti-Jewish bias. He collected graduation programs, which included lists of students in all four years, and studied how the Jewish surnames disappeared or were held back while their classmates moved ahead. He nurtured contacts who helped get him inside information from the registrar's office to back up his calculations. He wanted to make the case not by outing any victims but by presenting irrefutable facts.

When the local Jewish Community Relations Council wanted to tone down pressure on the university, Levin's response, as he stated in an Emory-commissioned documentary that premiered Wednesday evening: “Screw that. This guy has been torturing students for 10 years.”

Photos: Faces of discrimination

Levin, at the time, was “villified” by segments of the Jewish community for making waves, said ADL’s Lauter, a former Atlanta resident who, like Levin, did a stint as the organization's Southeast regional director. “But that's why we're here for people who face discrimination. Sometimes ADL has to be the tough guy. We take no prisoners in the fight against anti-Semitism.”

While Levin takes great satisfaction in knowing the story is finally getting public acknowledgement, Lauter said it's “bittersweet” for him. “He did feel stung by the whole experience." In 1962, after nine years in his position, he left the world of Jewish community work.

Levin, who now lives in Florida and is hard of hearing, was not able to be interviewed for this story.

A form devised by Buhler, which at the top asked students to check a box – Caucasian, Jewish or other (Emory was not racially integrated at the time) – ended up being his downfall, many say. The university president, S. Walter Martin, had been dismissive of the concerns Levin and some others raised. So when Martin was out of town, Levin brought a copy of the form to Judson “Jake” Ward, the dean of faculty, and Ward grew incensed. He marched down to see Buhler, who resigned soon after.

Emory's president still refused to acknowledge what had been going on and wrote off Buhler’s resignation as coincidental. Martin even insisted to local press, Goldstein said, that Buhler could have stayed at the dental school as long as he wanted.

With the dean gone, Atlanta's Jewish community essentially closed the book and put it away.

Not the man he knew

That book only recently opened for the former dean's son.

A sister-in-law sent John E. Buhler Jr., 65, a copy of a recent story in the The New York Times about the episode. What he read “caught me completely off guard,” he said. “I was completely unaware of that situation.”

He was a kid when his father landed at Emory and always believed politics in academia prompted his departure, nothing more. Everything he ever knew about his father, who died on Easter Sunday in 1976, belied what is being discussed now.

The former dean of Emory's dental school, John E. Buhler, was a different man to Jewish students than he was to his son.

The younger Buhler, a retired oral surgeon living in Huntington, Indiana, said he grew up with a man who cared about “helping kids stay in school and not throwing them out of school.” When he got into the field himself, he proudly watched how former students sought out his father at conferences, showering him with gratitude. One even boasted that he had named his child after Buhler.

“It just sort of blows me away. … He did so many positive things for dentistry and students,” the younger Buhler said. “It's hard to believe.”

Trying to make sense of it all, Buhler Jr.'s daughter sent her father an article that appeared in The Spartanburg Herald in South Carolina in 1964. It was written soon after the older Buhler assumed the dean’s post at the new dental school of what was then known as the Medical College of South Carolina – and after the Jewish community there weighed in with concerns about past anti-Semitism, demanding his appointment be rescinded.

The 1964 article quoted the chairman of the Medical College's board of trustees defending Buhler, saying he was recommended for the new position after a committee concluded the Emory charges were “not as serious as painted at one time."

The former dean's namesake doesn't remember his father ever saying a derogatory word about Jewish people. In fact, he's quick to point out that when the family lived in Atlanta, some of his parents' closest friends were Jewish.

These sorts of claims get former students like Brickman, who led the charge to humanize the dental school’s history, riled up. He has collected too many stories and seen too many documents, including incriminating notes written by Buhler himself, to call the former dean anything but an anti-Semite.

But for Buhler Jr., none of this adds up. Really, how can it?

“If this situation did exist, it was certainly out of character of the man I knew,” he wrote CNN the morning after the Emory event. “If indeed these events did occur, I feel badly for the individuals involved. Last night’s event might have made them feel better but didn't compensate for their injury.”

I am sorry. We are sorry.’

Facing its history is something Emory isn’t afraid to do.

In 2011, it issued a statement of regret for the school's involvement with slavery. The Southern institution once had slave laborers on campus and faculty members who owned slaves.

Earlier this year, Emory fessed up to fudging data to boost its ranking.

Meantime, the university boasts a Center for Ethics, campus dialogues on matters like race, sexuality and gender, and has long-proven its support for Jewish studies and community. It has 20 full-time faculty members dedicated to the field, including world-renowned Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt.

The school seemed ripe for the resurfacing of the dental school's history, which is why Goldstein, the Jewish history professor, placed a call last spring to Gary Hauk, Emory's vice president and deputy to the president. He said he had a friend Hauk needed to meet.

With testimonies he had recorded with his Flip camera, Brickman showed Hauk videos of men in their 70s and 80s, their negative Emory dental school experience still etched in their faces and emotions. Hauk didn't need convincing that something needed to be done.

A documentary incorporating Brickman's footage was commissioned, resulting in “From Silence to Recognition: Confronting Discrimination in Emory's Dental School History.” A plan was developed to invite the former students, their families and their widows to come together on campus for an apology that was half a century overdue.

What had happened to them at the dental school, which closed in the early 1990s for unrelated reasons, had never been formally acknowledged. It was time.

Blue ribbons were strung along aisles to reserve seats for the special guests, who first met privately with Emory President James W. Wagner. The men, some of whom hadn't returned to Emory since the day they left, arrived with family members from all over the country. Many went on to become great successes in dentistry. Those who gave up that dream excelled as physicians, lawyers, CPAs and computer experts. One man who flunked out tried his hand at painting, wanting to prove he had the manual skills the dean said he lacked; he won art show awards.

The experience had been a guarded secret for some – a chapter in life they hid from parents, friends, future spouses and their children. One woman in attendance said she had only learned the day before that her father failed out of Emory. For other former students, their time at Emory haunted them. One of their daughters – who refused even years later to apply to Emory when she went to dental school – dubbed herself and others like her “children of survivors,” a term often linked to the Holocaust. An 18-year-old man, who is gay and faced plenty of bullying, realized he could relate to the grandfather sitting next to him in new ways.

Widows and children of deceased former students showed up for those who didn't live long enough to see this day. One man, who was young when his father died, came to hear stories no one else in his life could tell.

All around them, as they took their seats, the ballroom filled. A standing-room-only crowd of hundreds came out to recognize them. Here, any shame from the past was lifted. Instead, these men were the picture of courage and worthy of respect – and that long-awaited apology.

“Institutions – universities – are as fallible as the human beings who populate them, and like individuals, universities need to remind themselves frequently of the principles they want to live by,” President Wagner said. “The discrimination against Jewish dental students undermined the academic integrity of the dental school and ultimately of Emory. … I am sorry. We are sorry.”

The night, which would end with a special dinner for this no-longer-silent fraternity, included a tribute to Brickman, who was called to the stage.

Norman Trieger traveled last week from New York to hear Emory's apology for and acknowledgement of past anti-Semitism. On Saturday, he passed away.

His wife, surrounded by family, clung to a tissue and dabbed her eyes. A daughter clutched her mother’s hand. A son looked up at his dad and beamed.

Brickman never did this for the Emory History Maker medal Wagner strung around his neck. Nor did he do this for the citation read to honor his work.

For him, this was a journey of discovery - one he took with the faces behind the numbers. With him that night were these men and their families, as well as the university he still loved.

Throughout the evening, and long after dinner ended, he saw tears, camaraderie, even laughter from some of the very men he feared were no longer capable of smiling.

All of this, he hoped, signaled what mattered most: Healing.

- CNN Writer/Producer

Filed under: Discrimination • Education • Judaism • Prejudice

soundoff (1,537 Responses)
  1. snowboarder

    religion is just another artificial division of man. simply useful as a reason to discriminate or persecute our fellows.

    October 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Lord Toronaga

      So you agree that Brickman is a fool....being that he mentions his religion and follows its dogma. Thanks !

      October 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • snowboarder

      lord – adherents to religion are primarily the victims of brainwashing, but there is a segment of the population that apparently has a genetic disposition toward being lead by religion.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Lord Toronaga

      Not me. I do as I please and find the law is all that is required to live amongst others.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  2. stats

    Once Buhler left, did the number of graduates increase and the number of jewish people having to repeat decrease? Although there is some seemingly really strong evidence here that the Jewish people were singled out, it just seems like the obvious numbers to look at to strengthen the case. If Buhler left and the numbers have consistently stayed low since that time, then maybe he shouldn't be singled out as the devil that brought such pain to these people.

    October 15, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
  3. palintwit

    Why do teabaggers live in trailer parks? Why is there so much inbreeding south of the Mason-Dixon Line? Why do the republicans pander to hillbillies?

    October 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Lord

      Actually the trailer parks are full of freeloading food stamp democrats; just like the urban ghettos.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Rob D. Yokels, rich registered Republican

      We rich people need votes, and once you get a moron all worked up about nonsense like guns and god, you own his vote for life. And there are plenty of morons out there. They think they are voting for Jesus Kalashnikovs, but they are really voting to lower my taxes and relaxing laws that make me responsible for what I make.

      And they don't even notice that they are usually voting against their own interests!

      It's a lovely scam. And you can even tell them the truth right to their faces, and they won't believe it.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Lord Toronaga

      Yawns once more at the windy statements from the fake Republican. Oh.... it's all about guns and Jesus ... that's it ! It has nothing to do about the nasty personal nature and ridiculous financial abilities found on the left. BORING.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions, Lordy

      @Lord – most welfare recipients live in the South, which is heavily Republican.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Rob D. Yokels, rich registered Republican

      Thank you Lord Jack for proving that you can tell the truth right to their faces, and they won't believe you.

      What has the Republican Party even done for you personally? Name one thing Obama has tangibly changed for the worse in your life? If you are honest, you will have to say the answer to both is "nothing."

      October 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Lord Toronaga

      I see no evidence to support the statement that welfare recipients would be inclined to vote Republican. NONE. So live in your liberal delusional bubble. People who vote Republican have a varied and different agenda. Most of which you would never like or understand.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  4. Keeping It Real

    This behavior by Emory was unfair and desp-icable and warrants being brought to light, but calling it a "reign of terror" is ridiculous. Drama Queen!

    (certainly can't directly connect this article writer with the old-time Bible authors, but the melodramatic presentation sounds familiar)

    October 15, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      They do the same thing to Gentiles at Ivy league admissions depts these days.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  5. Mary

    I was a patient of Dr. Burns in Jacksonville; he was one of the most, if not the most, respected orthodontist in the area. No to mention the coolest. I had no idea what he went through, I admire his resolve.

    October 15, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  6. comment

    What the heck is so wrong with Jews? Cultured, literate, good taste...nice people. You haters are really whackos.

    October 15, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      Did we 'win' you people in ww2?

      October 15, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  7. palintwit

    Why is Bristol Palin such a cow? Why does Sarah Palin's voice sound like fingernails on a chalkboard? Why do teabaggers shop at Walmart?

    October 15, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Lord Yabu

      Why are 99% of all criminals Democrats ? Why are gays so unlikeable and prone to deadly diseases ? Why do Liberals talk too much ?

      October 15, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • === o ===

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "Lord Yabu" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" or "...." where he writes such lovely posts as "Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS"
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Lord Yabu

      But when Palintwit says something obnoxious ====O==== just stands there gawking and feeling real good in side. In the end it all balances out.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
  8. Sunosa

    Great exposure of the past racist mind that uses education as a platform to showcase their inhumanness. It did not surprise me to read of story like this in our past history, but what do surprise me is that some in our mist, perhaps that guy or gal you work with daily, watch sport with daily, live next to you believe that this darkness in our history is worth some form of justification. My only criticism is that, the faces and names of those who perpertuate or induce this racist behavior should be shown or published as well. Perhaps they are the big photo hanging on the hall ways of our famous universities or in a cast monument erected in front of the famous building on campuse and continue to receive accolades and honors from the general public today. It is a history we should learn in other to avoid repeat. God Bless the United State of America.

    October 15, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  9. Lord Toronaga

    Get over it already. Everyone is a victim and wants the world to apologize. Welcome to life. It's not all about you and your trivial experiences. You want to get revenge....do it by living well.

    October 15, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • ron

      and the south shall rise again

      October 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Lord Toronaga

      A member of the richest people on Earth and there is always a sad story......ahhhhh We are so sorry for picking on your "fragile little mind". MAYBE they picked on little Shlomo because he dodged his tour of duty in KOREA. Jews aren't really known for enlisting in the service....and risking their lives.....

      October 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • urouttolunch

      @ "Lord" Toronaga. Think again, if you can do it at all. If you want to talk armed services and overseas duty, let's look into Dubya and Mittens and all of Mittens' kids.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  10. BK2OC

    There's a resaon why Muslims, Christians and Catholic hate jews. Good for Emory. More schools should have done the same.

    October 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • nicoct

      What reason do Christian and Muslims have to hate Jews? btw Catholics are Christians.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • ukrjew

      Christians and Muslims for centuries were trying to convert every nation in to Christianity or Islam, but only Jews were able to resist in spite of all killings, tortures. After all they did to Jews: Inquisition, Expelling, Pogroms and Holocaust, anti-Semites are blaming Jews for hatred, but not themselves!

      October 15, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Gabe

      You I feel sorry for you, you are so pathetic, and the rest of your family even moreso

      October 15, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • EatRunDive

      There certainly is. Jews are a constant reminder that the religion practiced by Jesus is still around.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • nicoct

      To be honest Christians and Muslims have tried to convert everyone not just Jews. Places like England, France, Ireland, Scotland were not Christians they were converted. Same thing with the countries in the Middle East and Africa they were not originally Muslims they were converted.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Stevie

      BK2OC, you are a complete moron

      October 15, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  11. crappygovernment

    They control the admissions departments. The average IQ in Israel is 94, right up there with Bulgaria and Ireland.

    October 15, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • midwest rail

      um, no. The problem is he's a great athlete but just a mediocre (at best) quarterback.

      October 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      tebow haters = arlen specter fans

      October 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • topfuel500

      The U.S. is only 98 so your point being?

      October 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      It doesn't make sense that a group of inbred Eastern europeans with an IQ of 94 would statistically dominate people with higher IQ's. It must be ethnic croneyism, just like Hollywood.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
  12. crappygovernment

    They are doing the exact same thing to Tebow for being an outspoken Christian in the Neocon Football League!

    October 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Yes, just everyone knows a 33 million dollar contract is evidence of discrimination. ( eye roll )

      October 15, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      They won't let him play because they fear he will embolden America's Christians to throw the foreign parasites who got here since the 1960's.

      October 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • LinCA


      Have you considered that maybe they won't let him play because he's a mediocre quarterback?

      October 15, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      No, it's a blacklist based on Talmudic of an outspoken American Christian instead...


      October 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • LinCA


      The National Review isn't a place to get facts. It is a highly partisan propaganda machine. It caters exclusively to the groups that the republicans need to get sufficient votes to get elected. It is targeted to keep the dimwits, the delusional and the conspiracy theorists like yourself (AKA the sheeple) misinformed.

      From their website (www.nationalreview.com/media-kit), "National Review and National Review Online are America’s most widely read and influential magazine and website for Republican/conservative news, commentary and opinion."

      October 15, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • crappygovernment

      You inbred eastern European parasites all think alike.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  13. Mama Mitzi

    Thank you for publishing this! Last week, some bozo on LZ's page tried to argue with me that Jews have never faced discrimination in America because they "look white".

    October 15, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  14. Ting

    'I never wanted proof. I just had faith.'

    Brainwashing at it's finest.

    October 15, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Rick

      You exhibit faith each time you keep yourself from electrocuting yourself with electricity. You can't see it but just because someone else stated what can happen if you touch it live you exhibit faith in the fact it will do as they say it will even if you've never seen it happen.

      Faith. You need to really learn what it means.

      October 15, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • LinCA


      There is a big difference between, believing that something that happened before can happen again, and believing there is a magical creature listening to your every thought.

      Since, for as long as I've lived, the sun has risen every morning, I have faith it will do so again tomorrow. I had faith that the chair I sat down in would hold me up, as it has done so for years. I have faith that electricity can hurt me as I've felt it's effects plenty of times and I can see what you can do with it. I've also seen reports about others getting severly hurt, and even killed, by it. Believing that electricity can hurt or even kill you is based on verifiable evidence and is therefor reasonable.

      There has never been any evidence that there ever was a creature that resembled the christian (or any other) god. Believing that it exists is therefor unreasonable.

      October 15, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • TheFoolishonesaysthereisnoGod

      Evidence of God is all around us. There is evidence in an Intelligent God in every living breathing thing and in the whole universe. Ask a scientist who wants to tell the truth.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said, "Evidence of God is all around us."
      Care to share some that evidence with us? Please be specific. Please show us what constitutes evidence that your god had a hand in any of it.

      You said, "There is evidence in an Intelligent God in every living breathing thing and in the whole universe."
      How, exactly, does "every living breathing thing" provide evidence of a god?

      You said, "Ask a scientist who wants to tell the truth."
      Let me guess, unless this "scientist" is a devout christian, (s)he isn't willing to tell the truth, correct?

      October 15, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  15. Golem1

    I'm curious as to why my posts don't show up. Any answers?

    October 15, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Sam

      There is an automatic word filter on these blogs.

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters or some html tricks to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in racc-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, sopho-more, etc.
      ho-oters…as in sho-oters
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      inf-orms us…
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-oon… as in sp-oon, lamp-oon, harp-oon
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sm-ut…..as in transm-utation
      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, t-itle, ent-ity, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, salt-water, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!

      October 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Gabe

      What posts ?

      October 15, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Seyedibar

      Either the Belief blogs have a glitch or a moderator is removing posts. Only about 1/4 of my posts make it to this board, and none contain offensive ideas or language.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Helpful Hints


      Look more closely at your posts for the tricky word fragments within words as suggested by @Sam (thanks, Sam). I'd be willing to bet that you will find one or more in there.... or maybe you'll find a new one. If so, let us know so that we can add it to the list.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  16. joe800

    It is without a doubt, this Buhler cretin was a rabid anti-semite. But I just dont understand why these obviously smart men would choose a college south of the Mason Dixon line? .. Everyone knows southern colleges are jokes, unless you count cheerleading and juvenile frats a resume builder...or you plan on staying in the south where outsmarting hicks is even done by the livestock....

    October 15, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • paulbrownandthekd

      exactly. Yes, they had the right to go there, but seriously, why? Of course, it is in the south–less effort to finish at top of class.

      October 15, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Seyedibar

      Southern schools dominate the medical field, particularly universities in Tennessee and Texas.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
  17. Kindness

    For you.
    My personal testamony
    I Follow Christ . I never wanted proof. I just had faith.

    HE WHO follows Me, walks not in darkness,” says the Lord (John 8:12). By these words
    of Christ we are advised to imitate His life and habits, if we wish to be truly enlightened and
    free from all blindness of heart. Let our chief effort, therefore, be to study the life of Jesus
    The teaching of Christ is more excellent than all the advice of the saints, and he who
    has His spirit will find in it a hidden manna. Now, there are many who hear the Gospel often
    but care little for it because they have not the spirit of Christ. Yet whoever wishes to understand
    fully the words of Christ must try to pattern his whole life on that of Christ.

    What good does it do to speak learnedly about the Trinity if, lacking humility, you
    displease the Trinity? Indeed it is not learning that makes a man holy and just, but a virtuous
    life makes him pleasing to God. I would rather feel contrition than know how to define it.
    For what would it profit us to know the whole Bible by heart and the principles of all the
    philosophers if we live without grace and the love of God? Vanity of vanities and all is vanity,
    except to love God and serve Him alone.

    This is the greatest wisdom—to seek the kingdom of heaven through contempt of the
    world. It is vanity, therefore, to seek and trust in riches that perish. It is vanity also to court
    honor and to be puffed up with pride. It is vanity to follow the lusts of the body and to desire
    things for which severe punishment later must come. It is vanity to wish for long life and
    to care little about a well-spent life. It is vanity to be concerned with the present only and
    not to make provision for things to come. It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not
    to look ahead where eternal joy abides.
    Often recall the proverb: “The eye is not satisfied with seeing nor the ear filled with
    hearing.”1 Try, moreover, to turn your heart from the love of things visible and bring
    yourself to things invisible. For they who follow their own evil passions stain their consciences
    and lose the grace of God.

    October 15, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • .


      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "The Truth" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian..

      October 15, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • Alert Citizen


      October 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Ting

      'I never wanted proof. I just had faith.'

      Brainwashing is a wonderful thing. Right?

      October 15, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  18. Anybody know how to read?

    'Isa 5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!'

    October 15, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Shakespeare

      Be wise as thou art cruel; do not press
      My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain;
      Lest sorrow lend me words and words express
      The manner of my pity-wanting pain.
      If I might teach thee wit, better it were,
      Though not to love, yet, love, to tell me so;
      As testy sick men, when their deaths be near,
      No news but health from their physicians know;
      For if I should despair, I should grow mad,
      And in my madness might speak ill of thee:
      Now this ill-wresting world is grown so bad,
      Mad slanderers by mad ears believed be,
      That I may not be so, nor thou belied,
      Bear thine eyes straight, though thy proud heart go wide.

      October 15, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    October 15, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • .

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "The Truth" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian..

      October 15, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!!

      October 15, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but everything you have ever asserted regarding atheism and prayer is unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 15, 2012 at 11:30 am |
  20. Reality

    A terrible injustice but obviously this did not prevent many followers of Judaism to do well in other schools:

    14% of the doctors in the USA are Jewish whereas the Jewish population in the USA is 2%.

    And from the following Jewish website:

    The 7 Wonders of Jewish History


    "Jews in the USA are over represented in proportion to the general population by 231% in medicine, 233% in mathematics, 265% in law, 300% in dentistry, and 479% in psychiatry. "

    "In income: Jews in the USA have the highest income of any ethnic group, 72% above the average and 40% higher than the second highest group, the Ja-panese."

    October 15, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • john

      I would add That among good doctors the numbers increase to 50% just go make an appointment with a specialist in any field ur most likely to get a Jewish ddoctor

      October 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Lobelia

      Yes. What is your point? The article makes clear that this was an Emory Dental School phenomenon, not something widespread, and many who "flunked out" of Emory transferred to other schools and excelled there.

      October 15, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
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