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Prayer changes things
Proven
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
"Faith without works is dead" – James 2:26
Relying on prayer to change things is a lazy person's copout
"Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
"Salvatore" denerates to:
"Douglas" degenerates to:
Taskmaster" degenerates to:
"truth be told" degenerates to:
"The Truth" degenerates to:
"Thinker23" degenerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
"tina" degenerates to:
"captain america" degenerates to:
"Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
"Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
"Kindness" degenerates to:
"Lorraine" degenerates to:
"Chad" degenerates to
"Bob" degenerates to
"nope" degenerates to:
"2357" degenerates to:
"WOW" degenerates to:
"fred" degenerates to:
"!" degenerates to:
"pervert alert"
This troll is not a christian..
You're a proven liar. Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!;.
@ ...not healthy... ( a good handle for this ones mental state.). Please show me your 'proof.' You are, flat out, a LIAR.
Oh my bad. I'm such a cowardly bas.t.ard and a real spam-bot. I'm so afraid of interacting with real people. I'm really just a dweeb, but I love to poat the same drivel over and over. I get a vicarious thrill from it. You see, my god tells me to profess his love for all. I have to believe.
Kiss Gawds agents ass or burn
@doc...
nope
Prayer changes things,
Curb your God.
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
"Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
"truth be told" degenerates to:
"The Truth" degenerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
"tina" degenerates to:
"captain america" degenerates to:
"Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
"Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
"Kindness" degenerates to:
"Chad" degenerates to
"Bob" degenerates to
"nope" degenerates to:
"2357" degenerates to:
"WOW" degenerates to:
"fred" degenerates to:
"!" degenerates to:
"pervert alert"
This troll is not a christian..
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!;.
Y'all are funny, in a crazy way! Who's trying to convert who? The Christians or the Atheists? Is that the point of this blog, to outinsult one another for 1upmanship? I say let believers believe & non believers not believe! I think that's the Humanitarian way! I also think politicians should not make policies based on their religions! Abortion is legal & should remain so! Seems some of them (GOTP) are trying to end the separation of chuch & state! If you don't like that idea, use your Vote!!
Is government "help" for the poor not mixing religion and government? It sure is listening to Biden.
Leaving each to their own would be a good solution, if theists actually let people "not believe". However, from birth, children are force fed religion, from the perspective of their parents'/guardians' beliefs. Additionally, atheists don't convert, unless we are talking about converting people to "logic". Atheists educate, and let logic take its natural course.
Rot changes things.
Look at this. They close out a thread on Evolution in one day. tsk tsk tsk.
Whatever you do, ask no questions. Father allows NO questions.
Questions are dangerous.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=716813&highlight=Neanderthal
7 million people are signed up on the dating web site "christianmingle.com"
According to their T.V. commercial, God has a match for you if you sign up and pay.
I tried to sign up so God could find me a Christian match, but I don't have no damn money.
Find god's match for you !
Just pay ME. God tole me who he matched you with. Yup. He sure did.
God is kind of a powerless dude. He doesn't get how to actually tell people sh1t these days.
But we can take care of that.
(Please include your expiration date). Oops, no, your CC's expiration date.
1. Catholics love spending time with young boys.
2. Catholics enjoy drinking wine.
3. Catholics see Jesus in sandwiches. How fun is that?
4. Catholics think bird poop is blood.
5. Catholics wear pretty window curtains.
6. Catholics wear pointy hats that you hide stuff in.
7. Catholics are corrupt but know how to get away with it.
8. Catholics sing-talk in mass. It is wierd in a good way.
9. Catholics give Jesus beer. (They do!)
10. Catholic school girls like to do stuff.
Attend a conversion class in your area this week. All those attending will be eligible for a free trip drawing, and some "time" with Father*. *cough cough
"Why did today's prelates, preachers and rabbis, so focused on society's se-xual sins, lose sight of clerical se-xual sins?
FEAR, SHAME and GUILT and COVER IT ALL UP!!!
Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!
Neither is coronation!!! e.g. Henry VIII, King David.
Neither is marriage as 50% of those men convicted of pedophilia are married.
Neither is being elected president of the USA!! e.g. Billy "I did not have se-x with that girl" Clinton, John "Marilyn Monroe" Kennedy".
Neither is possessing super athletic skill!!! e.g. Tiger "I am so sorry for getting caught" Woods.
Neither is being an atheist or pagan or football coach since pedophilia is present in all walks of life.
If someone is guilty of a crime in this litany of "neithers" they should or should have been penalized as the law dictates to include jail terms for pedophiliacs (priests, rabbis, evangelicals, boy scout leaders, married men/women, football coaches), divorce for adultery (Clinton, Kennedy, Woods), jail terms for obstruction of justice (Clinton, Cardinal Law) or child endangerment (Penn State, Lynn) and the death penalty or life in prison for murder ("Kings David and Henry VIII).
A few questions should help highlight why some might be inclined to question Catholicism
The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings on the planet are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife” comes from the religion of:
(a) The ancient Celts;
(b) Bronze Age Egyptians;
(c) Pre-Colombian Aztecs; or
(d) Modern Catholics
You are about 70% likely to believe the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with only one man, one woman and a talking snake if you are:
(a) a reptile handler who has severe mental issues;
(b) a five year old boy who just read a fairytale;
(c) a scientific fraud; or
(d) a Catholic
I believe that an all-knowing being, powerful enough to create the entire cosmos and its billions of galaxies, watches me have $ex to make sure I don't do anything "naughty" like protect myself from disease with a condom. I am
(a) A victim of child molestation
(b) A r.ape victim trying to recover
(c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions
(d) A Catholic
I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am
(a) A gifted psychologist
(b) A well respected geneticist
(c) A highly educated sociologist
(d) A Catholic with the remarkable ability to ignore inconvenient facts.
I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am
(a) a delusional schizophrenic;
(b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly
(c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or
(d) your average Catholic
Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:
(a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;
(b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;
(c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or
(d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.
The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:
(a) Architecture;
(b) Philosophy;
(c) Archeology; or
(d) Religion
What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from Catholicism:
(a) Catholicism tells people not only what they should believe, but what they MUST believe under threat of “burning in hell” or other of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;
(b) Catholicism can make a statement, such as “God is comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;
(c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas Catholicism is regional and a person’s Catholicism, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than geographical upbringing; or
(d) All of the above.
If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:
(a) a deep psychiatric issue;
(b) an irrational fear or phobia;
(c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or
(d) my religious belief.
Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money I earn is tax free at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do, for example, in areas of birth control. I am
(a) A sleazy Wall Street banker
(b) A mafia boss
(c) A drug pusher; or
(d) The Catholic Church
What do the following authors all have in common – Jean Paul Sartre, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Victor Hugo, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, René Descartes, Francis Bacon, John Milton, John Locke, and Blaise Pascal:
(a) They are among the most gifted writers the World has known;
(b) They concentrated on opposing dogma and opening the human mind and spirit to the wonders of free thought and intellectual freedom;
(c) They were intimidated by the Catholic Church and put on the Church’s list of prohibited authors; or
(d) All of the above.
The AIDS epidemic will kill tens of millions in poor African and South American countries before we defeat it. Condoms are an effective way to curtail its spread. As the Pope still has significant influence over the less educated masses in these parts of the World, he has exercised this power by:
(a) Using some of the Vatican’s incomprehensible wealth to educate these vulnerable people on health family planning and condom use;
(b) Supporting government programs that distribute condoms to high risk groups;
(c) Using its myriad of churches in these regions as “boots on the ground” to distribute condoms; or
(d) Scaring people into NOT using condoms, based upon his disdainful and aloof view that it is better that a person die than go against the Vatican’s position on contraceptive use.
Psst. Colin. Over here. No, your parents didn't hire me to deprogram you. I want to tell you something for your own good.
Nobody cares how much you hate religion, only when it makes you appear pathological. I bet your friends and family are worried about you. Now go to the gym and play some b-ball. Then maybe have a pina-colada protein smoothie.
Cheers, Colin. And btw, please ease up on the eyeliner if you ever want to get a girlfriend.
Hari, instead of attcking Colin, how about pointing out precisely where he's wrong?
@colon...
nope
They won't debate with Colin because they read one line and the blinders go on and the prayer-a-palooza starts. Reality frightens the children!
Did you hear the one about the canadian that minded its own F'n business?
You won't... it loves to appear here impersonating an American as if it had something to say, eh?Its opinion is bull sh it to Canada and way less here.
Nope is a dope...crack smoking joke
Looks like Hari cannot dispute Colin's post. But that's not surprising....
Mohammad is burning in hell right now for not following Jesus' truth. I haven't been out side for three years. It smells here like Mecca. Satan is expert at spreading lies to make you follow his lies about God. Read the bible and be saved from hell.
Reading the bible for comprehension is one of the surest ways to atheism.
I like Catholics. They taught me that bird poop is a miracle from god. I didn't know that before.
I won't even eat no damn cheese sandwiches anymore either, and I like cheese sandwiches ya'll.
Mr.Biden , Mr.Ryan....both worship their respective personal faiths as they see fit because they both live by and confess the same way of life...XES...to serve and magnify oneself...the way of freedom of self-rights and self will.
But the One Christ will rule in service to the One and Only Creator God.
The One and Only Bippy, the Judging Squirrel God will rule, and every knee shall bend, and every head shall bow.
(at least until he falls out of his heavenly tree, then it's anyone's guess what will happen in the heavenly court).
hinduism, absurdity by a follower of hindu Mithra ism, pagan savior ism, labeled as Christianity. No one ever existed by the name of Jesus.
Stupid squirrels.
So John, what's your justification for spreading bullsh!t about some god and jesus? Are you mentally ill or just a liar?
To learn truth about hindu pagan Catholic ism, please visit limitisthetruth.com
Das raciss
FFS.
...Unless of course the primary argument is utterly baseless, in which case its not a "last refuge" but rather a pithy observation.
Sorry all. That was meant for our less than astute historian Justina below.
Who was on the cross? according to book of hindu Mithra ism, savior ism, bible, Jesus transfigured in to some one else on front of his dispels, At time of arrest, Jesus smiled on Judas, and Judas smiled in in kind and Jesus kissed him on cheek, Jesus transfigured in to Judas and Judas transfigured in to Jesus, Than, who was on the cross, Judas, or Jesus? Judas, hindu ignorant follower of hindu Mithra ism, savior ism, Christians pray to as their god. From Gospel of Bearnabsie.
It seems that you might not like hindus.
No , I read your post... My bad.
Savior ism labeled as Christianity is nothing else but hindu Mithra ism, not based on truth absolute equality but hinduism, racism, handy work of hindu, criminal King's and their hindu criminal Prophet's, fortune teller's priest, way of hindu's, criminals to impose them self as man god's over hindu's, ignorant's.
YOU MUST BE CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No need to be a hindu, ignorant, what is wrong with you today, Canadian, Canadian and Canadian.
Goddamn Canadian, I cast you out in Jesus' name I pray. YOu are DARKSIDED!!
Lemme guess..you a Pakistani?
This is my experience... Thank you.
MY personal testimony.
A thought to consider without an ego response
I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
my testimony
Romans 10:9
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
“How many anvils have you had,” said I,
“To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
“Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
“The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.
Truth is..exclusive
Break the matrix of delusion is more like it. More quote from Gullibles Travels, I see.
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
"The world denounces truth...."
Oh really? Could have sworn it was religion that denounces truth.
Prayer changes things
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but everything you have ever asserted regarding atheism and prayer is unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Hi Prayerbot.
There has never been a government where Christianity had significant control which wasn't an oppressive tyrannical mess. Never.
You're an idiot.
ad hominem is the last refuge of people who have already lost the argument.
There has never been a completely Christian nation such as you describe. The closest this world has ever come is the founding of America by Christians for Christians and America has been a shining light on a hill for over 200 years. On the other hand atheists have tortured and murdered more people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries.
Justina, can you give us the list of tyrannical Christian nation messes please?
Every European country between 476 and 1776. Feel free to look at England under Cromwell and the Puritans for a nice example of religious people in power. Or Spain during the inquisition.
Spiffy places to be back then.
Close examination of the leaders of those nations show them to be more closely aligned with atheism than with Christianity.
Also 1776 was not a date of political importance in Europe. I do not think you know what you are talking about.
And again, "Truth be Told" wouldn't recognize truth if it bit him/her in the behind. Christianity dominated the governments of Europe. The anglican church was created because the pope wouldn't allow Henry the Eighth a divorce. Entire wars have been fought over the theological differences between catholics and protestants. Thousands have died for that rather stupid argument.
The United States became a model for modern governments because it very deliberately separated church from state and supported personal freedom over religion-based restrictions.
@tallulah
That's not Christianity.
Truth be told,
Just how closely HAVE you examined these people ? 🙂
Yeah, Turd Tuber knows lots about Europe. Can't figure out the difference between "gall" and "gaul", though, poor little dim bulb. Has a great deal of trouble with the word "pun," as well. That's why Turdy needs the Poop's Picture Bible!
Of course it was christianity, TBT you dolt. Catholics and protestants have a history of killing each other over their own interpretation of what it means to be christian. You have no authority whatsoever to decide what is christian and what is not on the basis of your own ignorance and arrogance. History and fact determine the truth.
@tallulah
nope
@Truth be a Troll
A shining light on the hill?
Talk to the folk in Korea, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Honduras, Afghanistan, Iraq, Cuba, Greece, Chad, The Philipines, Albania, Guyana, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Zaire, Brazil, The Dominican Republic, Chile, East Timor, Nicuragua, Libya, El Salvador, or any of the other countries where the US has intervened since 1945.
None of them seemed to appreciate having said light shine upon them...
Is tallulah saying that the United States is a nation founded on Christianity? Shouldn't the atheists police correct her before word gets out she has strayed from dogma?
Solving the problem:( only for the new members of this blog)
JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")
Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.
Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.
Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.
Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!
So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?
BULL SH IT ALERT
YOU KNOW IT'S BULL SH I , OH CRAP MOM'S CALLING, I HAVE TO GO PUT THE GARBAGE OUT.
lmao @ "NT Scholar". I'm a "Marvel scholar', myself.
Some added NT scholar whose books you might want to peruse.
H.S. Reimarus
R. Bultmann
E. Kasemann
Earl Doherty
Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
Alvar Ellegård
G. A. Wells
Gregory Riley
Robert Eisenman
John Dominic Crossan
Robert Funk
Burton Mack
Stephen J. Patterson
Marcus Borg
Stevan Davies
Geza Vermes
Richard Horsley
Hyam Maccoby
Gerd Theissen
Bart Ehrman
Paula Fredriksen
Gerd Lüdemann
John P. Meier
E. P. Sanders
Robert H. Stein
Karen Armstrong
Albert Schweitzer (The Quest for the Historical Jesus)
Mahlon Smith
Elaine Pagels
See Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
Make that "Some added NT scholars whose books you might want to peruse."