Billy Graham site removes Mormon 'cult' reference after Romney meeting
Mitt Romney meets Thursday with the Rev. Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham.
October 16th, 2012
02:53 PM ET

Billy Graham site removes Mormon 'cult' reference after Romney meeting

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Shortly after Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney enjoyed cookies and soft drinks with the Rev.  Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham on Thursday at the elder Graham's mountaintop retreat, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

In a section of the website called Billy Graham's My Answer there had been the question "What is a cult?"

Answer: "A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith."

"Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others," the site continued.

No longer. On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site.

“Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Ken Barun, chief of staff for the association, told CNN in a statement. "We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign."

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Romney is a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, members of which are known as Mormons.

The information about cults can be found on cached sections of the website on Archive.org from June 5, 2010.

The theological question of where Mormons fit on the religious spectrum has drawn more attention because of Romney's candidacy. Mormons consider themselves to be strong Christians. Many traditional Christian denominations disagree, though rank-and-file members have their own views on the matter.

The removal of the post from the Graham group's website was first noted by the New Civil Rights Movement website and then later by the Asheville Citizen-Times, which reported that the information on cults was accessed as recently as Thursday afternoon.

Last week's meeting between Romney and Graham was their first.

After the 30 minute sit-down in Montreat, North Carolina, just outside Asheville, Romney campaign spokesman Rick Gorka told reporters that Billy Graham led a prayer for the Romneys, saying "I'll do all I can to help you. And you can quote me on that."

The evangelist who has been called America's pastor and has prayed with every American president since Harry Truman said in a statement following the meeting that "It was a privilege to pray with Gov. Romney — for his family and our country."

Graham met with President Barack Obama in 2010 and with Sen. John McCain when he was the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in 2008.

"I will turn 94 the day after the upcoming election, and I believe America is at a crossroads," Graham's statement continued. "I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms."

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When asked about Graham's beliefs about Mormonism, Graham spokesman A. Larry Ross said in a statement that "Through an inclusive evangelistic ministry spanning more than 60 years, Mr. Graham was called to preach the transformative message of the Gospel to the whole world, regardless of one’s religious background, affiliation or none. As such, he never proselytized, targeted or labeled specific people, groups, faiths or denominations.

"Neither did Mr. Graham attempt to divide his audience before he had opportunity to preach to them. He has a genuine love for all people, and faithfully proclaimed the love of God to everyone, providing opportunity for them to respond by making a faith commitment.

"Mr. Graham’s calling is not to pass judgment, but to proclaim the biblical truth that Jesus is the only way to heaven, allowing every individual and group to fall along that plumb line," the statement went on.

"He further stressed that salvation is the work of Almighty God, and that only He knows what is in each human heart," the statement said.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, lists the LDS Church as a theological cult.  The Catholic Church also does not recognize Mormon baptisms as being theologically compatible with its own.

The LDS Church has long bristled at being called a cult.  Mormons note the many similarities and overlap between their teachings and that of other churches but point to their belief in other scriptures like the Book of Mormon as the reason they split with other churches.

In the 2012 campaign Romney has been generally quiet about his church, though his role as a lay church leader was prominently featured in the Republican National Convention, and his campaign has allowed members of the press pool accompanying Romney to film him attending services.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (4,065 Responses)
  1. don daniel


    October 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Anne

      Yelling and being mean doesn't help anyone. : (
      Mormons need to see an alternative, not just insults and persecution, if they're ever going to listen.

      October 24, 2012 at 5:59 am |
  2. JaneS

    Billy is being used. He has always been a democrat and now that he's too feeble and vulnerable of course he'll cave to pressure and spin of those who are closest to him.. If he had a change of heart about Mormonism he would have at least made a statement as to why his views changed. So who do you think is running this show? In my moind it amounts to elder abuse.

    October 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  3. Larry P. Grant

    Sad day for the United States of America. Mormons are not in line AT ALL with the scriptures. Rev. Graham and son, you really should be ashamed. If President Obama was Mormon, you would still hold Mormonism as a cult. Is your faith negated by race, ethnicity, greed and wealthy associations? Where is your commitment to staying true to the Gospel of Jesus Christ alone? You have sided and greed with the Son of Darkness in politics and sullied the witness you held worldwide. FOr shame... May you repent for siding with the apirirt of anti-Christ in Romney. Presidne Obama may be a weak Chrisitan but He is not a heretic. Where is your sprirtual devotion to the true God of the Bible? Jesus is NOT equal to satan, and at the Name of Jesus Every knee shall bow in heaven, in the earth and under the earth. Mormons DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus Christ is the ONLY Messiah for fallen man. John SMith was inhabited by the devil to breing this heresy into the earth. President Obama has my vote for that reason. You are revealed as an agent of darkness and deceit....

    October 22, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • End Religion

      I disagree this was a bad day for America. I believe it was a great day for America because:
      1) It helped some religious people come to their senses and finally see religion for the fraud it is
      2) all that payola likely stimulated the economy

      It's a win-win, see?

      October 24, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
  4. valerieohle

    Billy Graham et al are not my God, not my Savior, nor are they my barometer of Christianity in any way shape or form. Do I think he's selling out to GOP influences. Absolutely. Why? Probably to protect the same tax breaks for the 1% the GOP hopes to protect. God was explicit. No books were to be added after the Book of Revelation. Jesus was explicit. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It isn't rocket science. It isn't political. And what people are presenting as Christian these days is far far FAR from What Jesus Would Do.

    October 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • End Religion

      if the bible was explicit, you wouldn't need preachers to help you interpret it.

      October 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  5. david

    Who is the true "christian"?

    1. The guy who is "christian" based on his religion (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc...) but disregards the majority of the 10 commandments (lies, steals, cheats on his wife, doesn't keep the sabbath day holy, etc...)

    2. The guy with no religion but serves his neighbor, is honest, loves his wife and kids, etc...

    I believe God looks on our heart and actions based on what he has told us to do. We should know "true" christians by how they treat their fellow man and if that aligns with what Christ would do. The two great commandments from Jesus are to love god and to love our neighbor. Many get too hung up on definitions versus looking at the fruits.

    October 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Anne

      I don't think most Republicans want to treat their fellow man as Christ would have us do, and I think it's just shameful.
      Mitt Romney and all the other very wealthy people should be offering to help the poor and the sick instead of trying to take away all the programs that help them. Mitt Romney wants to stop paying a small amount for Big Bird, but he wants to spend 2 trillion dollars more on the military – when they don't want it and say they don't need it – and that is so wrong on so many levels! It tells me where his priorities are! He wants to help Dick Cheney and his defense companies instead of everyone who's suffering now.

      October 24, 2012 at 6:07 am |
  6. W.G.

    Billy Graham has sold out , plain and simple . Now he´s backing a person that believes that satan was the brother of Jesus
    and that black people are fallen angels . This is what mormons believe and evidently that´s O.K. with Billy Graham .
    Obama says he ´s a Christian , I believe him because of the Fruit of his labor . He supports helping the poor ,the sick and the elderly . Romney supports the rich and powereful lobbiests . The Bible says that the anti-christ will fool even the elect
    It´s already started to happen .

    October 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • david

      Please provide the source that mormons believe "blacks" are fallen angels. This is absolutely untrue which would make you the deceiver.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  7. Dee

    What a sad day in America, when politics overshadows Christianity. How sad that we can not even trust our religious leaders to be honest and fair. Rev Graham and his son (as pictured with Romney) will have to answer to God for the dismal of true Christianity . Romeny is a deceiver and belongs to and believes in a cult. He is bad for this country, minorities, women, poor and old people. If you are anything other than a middle class, healthy white male, you will suffer under his leadership. I am so disappointed in Rev Graham and will no longer respect or follow him as a honest religious leader. You should be ashamed.

    October 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Ruben Gonzales


      October 22, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • don daniel

      i agree

      October 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  8. Me

    I sit here and watch a stage being set up for the apocalypses spoke of in Revelation. People trying to decide what should be in the Bible. The current President bankrupting America to try to render it defenseless against the anti-colonialism saturated in communist socialism. And praying on the bad history of some misinformed Americans back in the day to which if someone were to really tell the truth they would just be labeled a racist. A President obviously anti-Israel. I would pray for Mr. Obama but you can not change anything God says that will come to pass. And I am tempted to believe Mr. Obama to be the Anti-Christ. If this man gets elected another term we will see the calamity of a Anti-American, Anti-Israel, anti Christian world in which those who kill a Christian will really believe they are doing it unto God. Or at least a Born Again Christian who stands for the truth of God's Word. We have come to a time where Jesus return is eminent. What day no one knows, what hour no one knows, but His return is on the horizon. And Barack may even be tempted to make himself God. Jesus I am ready when you are. We are ready to go home LORD. Forgive me for my sin Jesus. And look after those who would come to believe in the great tribulation. My heart hurts and flutters because we have allowed a world that wants the true living God out and made room for the end of all things.

    October 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • neauneau

      Billy Ghram is taking a lot of people tp hell his a racist he made a comment saying Haiti is the way it is because they sold thier soul for freedom from the french basically he's saying black people should have remained slaves
      Thank Haiti for black Freedom

      October 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • W.G.

      You should quit listening to your local "Pulpit pimp" they´ve sold out to the anti christ . Romney .

      October 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • You

      I also belive in the Revelation described by Scripture, and the Bible speaks into the hearts of all people regardless of their background, race, creed, or orientation. But what you said about Obama being the Anti-Christ is just foolish. He has done so much to help the poor, the middle class, and the sick, but I agree he could have done, and be doing, more. The Constiution and our Founding Fathers did not set up a nation in which we Impose our beliefs on others through legislation, but a nation of religious freedom, no matter what a person may believe. When we get hung up on imposing our beliefs about abortion and marriage, we loose focus on what really matters–Showing Christ's Love. Government should not impose religous beliefs on anyone, and banning abortion or preventing two people from committing to one another would do this. We should not judge our president, or anyone, and leave that to God, but instead we should show Christ's love to others just because they're human, and he loved us first. It's all about relationships. An individual's relationship with God through the Christ, and and individual's relationship with others. Matthew 22:37-39, and Luke 10:27.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Anne


      You are so wrong about the President. O M G, you sound like you have a demon in you!

      October 24, 2012 at 6:09 am |
    • End Religion

      @me: If Obama gets re-elected there will be no such calamity. America will continue to improve as it did in his first term. The fear you have is generated by religion. Abandon it and the fear will go away. As awful as it feels for you to admit you've been fooled, try thinking "what if religion is a fraud? what if there was no god or jesus?" You have been indoctrinated into the fear. It won't be easy but you can break free.

      Jesus' "return" has been imminent for 2000 years. Your own book of rules tells you he was supposed to come back in the writer's lifetime. He did not. If you believe the bible has prophecies then that one failed.

      Look at it this way, even if all you say is true and the world will end if Obama is elected, why are you so scared? You're a self-proclaimed follower of the "one true way". You're covered. You'll be in heaven. Why be scared? It makes zero sense.

      Zero sense.... unless... it's all a sham and you're just a scared person. And all the bogeymen you see around you Anti-this and Anti-that are just parts of that religious fear. Let it go, man. Be at peace.

      October 24, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
  9. Luis Wu

    Christianity is a cult. It's nothing but ancient mythology and primitive superst!tious nonsense, like all religions. When will the human race grow up and stop clinging to childish fairytales?

    October 22, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  10. Ran

    Par for the course for the religious. Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to believe.

    October 22, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  11. ForGoodOfAll

    Shame on Romney to bully an old, feeble, senile man! Anything for an endorsement. Billy Graham probably told Romney, "I'll give you an endorsement if you would just leave me alone!!!" I bet Billy was sooo relieved when Romney finally left. Just look at the expression on Billy Graham's face in the photo. He does not look happy...

    October 22, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
  12. Martha

    This is very troubling to me. Any religion that does NOT believe that Jesus is the Risen Christ, The Son of God, cannot, by definition, be Christian! They also deny the Triune God. I've always held Rev. Graham in the highest regard but I cannot agree with this position. Mormonism is a cult.

    October 22, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • steve_schoner

      Martha, Read your Bible, then read the Book of Mormon. Look up the common definition of "heresy."

      Mormonism is heresy beyond a shadow of a doubt. And it's strange beliefs and practices are contrary to the terms of the the Gospel of Christ.

      In his very golden years, I am astounded at Rev. Gram's turn-around.

      But in my theological studies, Mormonism is a heresy and a cult, plain and simple.

      October 22, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • GBAZ

      Martha! Martha! Martha! Stop listening to all the naysayers for God's sake!

      Mormons not only believe that Jesus is the Son of God and God incarnate but they also believe He rose from the dead. Further, they call Him, "Savior."

      Go to their website if you want to know the truth and stop believing everything you hear about them. Some of it is true, some not. Some of it has been greatly misinterpreted. But one thing for sure, they believe Jesus is the Savior who rose from the dead for all of us. Well, except for my community. So like you, they push the GLBT community aside and say we are an abomiation. Now see there...you have common ground.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Anne


      Most Christians are well aware of what is in the Mormon books, and we know it is fraudelant and Joseph Smith was a false prophet. There is A Lot of Christian literature on Mormonism! And all of them easily expose it for being a satanical cult.

      If you're a Mormon, please read about these things. Google "Mormonism Disproved"!! It's all there for anyone to see!

      October 24, 2012 at 6:15 am |
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  14. Andrew

    I'm a life-long Republican and I consider myself to be a Christian, but, I refuse to support a Mormon for President. What was the party thinking when they nominated this man? AND, what was the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association thinking when they did this?? Do they think we're all stupid?? Have they learned nothing from their mistakes?? Is this the end of the Republican party??!!

    God help us if Romney wins.

    October 21, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • david

      Isn't stating you won't vote for a (black, mormon, gay, etc...) a bigoted remark? Same goes for those who only vote for a candidate based on race, religion, etc....

      October 22, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Gwen

      I agree Andrew there is no way I could vote for someone who is clearly a member of a cult. I have not understood why all the main stream Christian leaders have been endorsing him just as Billy Graham has. It is very confusing as they have all talked against Mormonism for years and now they have all changed their tune. Makes you wonder if it is because our current President is not of their race and for the first time in their lives they have a person of color truely over them. They are all saying abortion and gays having rights are the reasons they want the current President out but abortion has been around since the 70's more than 40 years so why is he being blamed for it.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Anne


      There is a huge difference here David. It isn't bigotry for a Christian to say Mormonism isn't a Christian religion, because we know it is very very different, and wrong. Google "Mormonism Disproved". There are a lot of great articles that show how different and anti-Christian Mormonism really is. Knowing what I know about Mormonism, and knowing that Romney is a high ranking Bishop in this cult, makes it impossible for me as a Christian to support him. I'm sorry, but I won't betray my beliefs.

      And, I believe that President Obama IS a Christian. Everyone who says he's a muslim is just being hateful. Muslims never smoke or consume alcohol, and Obama used to smoke and still drinks beer.

      October 24, 2012 at 6:24 am |
  15. Rick

    As a born again Christian I have no problem with the nation electing a Mormon president. We are electing a president, not a pastor. But those who are more to my theological right should have big issues with it because they have preached for years that they are suppose to put "God's Man" in the white house. God's Man, of course meaning someone who thinks just like they think. But what do you do when neither candidate meets your definition of a Christian?? You conveniently change the definition to include the largest group of people whom you have taught were deceivers and cultist for generations. This doesn't make any sense. In his day, Billy Graham never crossed the political lines in the way he has done over the past year. I recall he did once with Nixon and lived to regret it and apologized. But all this has changed since Franklin took the helm. Smells fishy to me. What the BGEA needs more than anything is the resurrection of Ruth Bell Graham, so she can pull that son of hers by the ear and throw him in the trunk of a car like she did when he was a boy.

    October 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Andrew

      Rick, brother, you have to learn a little more about Mormonism before you dismiss it as being irrelevent. It is anything but irrelevent! This is my eighth Presidential election, and it'll be the first time I've voted against a Republican. I cannot and will NEVER support having a Mormon in the White House. In fact, I think it'd be better to have a Muslim in the White House than a damned Mormon!! (Not That I'm Saying Obama's A Muslim..!! I'm Not! I think Obama's a Christian, maybe a weak one, but a Christian all the same.)

      Mitt Romney the "Bishop" of the Mormon church is BAD for this country! And he's BAD for the whole World!
      Read up on Mormonism America! Read about it's beginning, and it's early years especially. And then, for the love of God, vote against Romney!!

      October 21, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • Anne


      I agree with Andrew. This is different because Romney is a very high ranking church official or Bishop..
      And, from what I know about this cult, I seriously doubt he will give that position up.
      Mormonsim isn't like Christianity. These people have strange secret "ceremonies" that stranger and even more secretive the higher you go. Who knows what Romney will do once he becomes the most powerful man in the world?? Only him and his church leaders I'd guess!! I'm afraid that all he wants to do is become President so that he can empower his cult. He has been running for President since before he ran for Govenor! He obviously has had some sort of nefarious plan all along!! That's why he changes his positions so much, he wants to falsely agree with as many people as he can and deceive them into thinking it's them he cares about! He ran as a pro-choice candidate for govenor! Lol! That was a huge lie! (Google "Lying for the Lord"!!)

      I gotta go get my kids up and off to school and get to work (at an auto parts store that's probably only still in business thanks to Obama)! Have a nice day everyone! And God Bless!! : )

      October 24, 2012 at 6:36 am |
  16. Get Real

    All (yes, all) Christian theologians agree that Mormonism is not a Christian religion. THAT IS A FACT! And no matter how many visions the President of the Mormon Church gets, which causes him to change the religion by ending polygamy or allow for blacks to be ordained in the Mormon church, it is still NOT a Christian religion. If this is so, why do Mormons want to be perceived as Christians? I accept the fact they are NOT Christians, but I also accept the fact that they “uphold Christian values” even better than many Christian religions. And they do so because Christians do not have a monopoly on “good values.” But I lose respect for the Mormons because they want to claim they are Christians so they can be accepted into society as part of a legitimate religion. As a result, by not being Christians and attempting to claim they are Christians they have degraded their own religion to a point where they are called a CULT. Be done with it, admit you are NOT a Christian religion, but that you uphold good values, and then we will have more respect for you!! Even Romney loses my vote and my respect because he is either ignorant on what a Christian is or he is a LIAR, or he is both!

    October 21, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Vicky

      Get Real !!! You are absolutely right. You are saying " Even Romney loses my vote and my respect because he is either ignorant on what a Christian is or he is a LIAR, or he is both! "

      What I find particularly disturbing about Mitt Romney is, that not only does he say he's a Mormon, but he's actually a very prominent and high ranking "Bishop"! He probably is contributing a lots of money to Mormon's church. And then he is deducting his contributions from his income, paying only 16% of the tax rate when others pay 36%. We all do not have the better candidate for President of The United States than BARAK OBAMA.!!!

      October 31, 2012 at 7:16 am |
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  18. mark etelamaki

    Bgea has sold their souls to mitt Romney and have embraced the lies of Mormonism and Joseph smith. As a result the bgea will soon disappear because of their error.

    October 21, 2012 at 10:54 am |
  19. Stephanie

    This is my first election! :))

    I'm a college student who has studied History and World Religions A LOT!! And, what I find particularly disturbing about Mitt Romney is that not only does he say he's a Mormon, but he's actually a very prominent and high ranking "Bishop"! So, he actually takes all of this very seriously! He actually does "believe" in what the Mormon church teaches.
    Now, I know a lot of people will say that everyone has a right to their spiritual beliefs, but... in my opinion, it's one thing to believe in a religion that has been around for hundreds or thousands of years and is rooted in some reality with real places and real people, but, it's another thing altogether different when, in this day and age, that a man supposedly as smart as Romney would be so thoroughly duped by a story that's straight out of a really really bad 19th century science fiction fantasy! It's very troubling that a man who could very likely become the most powerful man in the world is THIS delusional!

    I've been trying six ways to Sunday to try and let this go and not let it influence my vote, but, after investigating Romney's involvement and commitment to this truly bizzare belief system, and learning he is still a high ranking church official and will remain so if elected President, I've decided to vote for Obama. And I've also been telling as many of my family and friends about Romney's "perspective" on the world and life in general via his "religion" too. Because, this is totally different than when Kennedy ran and had to deal with anti-catholics. Catholics, and Christians in general, aren't looking at the world the way Mormons do. They don't have a long history of outright conflict with the government. They never tried to start their own country in some remote part of the continent with as many young wives as they could..

    I wish the Republican party hadn't gone so crazy over the last few years and nominated someone a lot better qualified, and trustworthy. What were they thinking with all the bizzare candidates this election?? And, now, we're left with some guy who thinks he's going to get his own planet and be a god who makes space bablies??!! I also feel like they are all set against women and that they all seem to like to bully gays. I'm kind of "conservative" but how can I be a Republican when it seems like the majority of them don't care about me?

    Sorry for going on and on.. I just wanted to get the weird Mormon stuff off my chest and this seemed like a good place to do it!!

    October 21, 2012 at 4:09 am |
    • End Religion

      Congrats on thinking it through. You have one major hurdle left: all religion is a fraud. Talking snakes, virgin births and godlike lich beings who raise the dead are just as silly as magical gold plates and Kolob.

      October 21, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Stephanie

      Hi, and thanks! : )
      I didn't/don't want to get in everyone's face and tell them their beliefs are wrong.
      I just want people to know that Mormonism is really really disturbing stuff – especially when we suddenly have one of their leaders making a serious run for the Presidency!!! I mean this is like having Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptists, or a Catholic Cardinal running for President – except much much weirder!!! : (

      I hope A LOT of people who are voting for him because they wrongly see him as an ordinary everyday Christian read this and do some investigating of their own! And if they want to vote for an ordinary everyday Christian they can vote for the one who's in the White House (and hasn't done anything crazy yet!) now.. (He's NOT a Muslim – everyone knows Obama brews and drinks his own beer in the White House!)

      October 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • End Religion

      @steph: "I didn't/don't want to get in everyone's face and tell them their beliefs are wrong."

      I believe I understand your goal. You want to let everyone know Mormon beliefs are crazy but that "normal" Christians are okee dokee. You refer to Mormonism as fantasy but fail to recognize the whole of Christianity is only a very slightly different fantasy.

      I'm helping you receive an even better education than the one you or your parents paid for, since apparently in all that "studying of History and World Religions" (a LOT!!) it never occurred to you that not only are the "kooky" religions a fraud but all of them are. Every single one. Even the ones that have "been around for hundreds or thousands of years and [are] rooted in some reality with real places and real people."

      Even now, you've glossed over my comments about talking snakes and virgin births because you do not want to take a hard look at the insanity of christianity. You're focused on the election and not life.

      "I just want people to know that Mormonism is really really disturbing stuff ... this is like having Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptists, or a Catholic Cardinal running for President – except much much weirder!!!"

      We know, anyone not in your club is not suitable to run for President.

      "an ordinary everyday Christian"

      Can you define this for us? I bet you're in that club.

      "He's NOT a Muslim – everyone knows Obama brews and drinks his own beer in the White House!"

      Because there's something wrong with muslims? The next time you're tempted to tell people your religion preaches love and tolerance stop yourself and recall this conversation where you belittled millions of people in the world simply because they did not share your religious delusion.

      October 21, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • david

      Mitt Romney "was" a Bishop for a local congregation (usually a couple hundred people) many years ago. He is no longer and hasn't been for years. He was also a stake president. A "stake" usually has 5-10 congregrations lead by the bishop. He is also no longer a stake president. I don't know what his calling is in the church but he isn't a bishop or a stake president and is likely a member of his local congregation with minimal responsabilities at this time. He is NOT a high ranking member as he was released from those dutiies years ago. Ultimately, he doesn't hold the power that you suggest he does in the LDS church. You can read more about the LDS church hierachy at lds.org. Not sure where you are getting your other information but you are uneducated about the mormon church.

      As you have seen from other comments, christian beliefs are not "normal" by any stretch. it takes faith to believe in a God, virgin birth, talking donkeys, raising the dead, a boat full of animals, killing people because they lit a fire on the sabbath, etc... Your beliefs would be the minority in many countries and you woudl be viewed as the "crazy" one.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Stephanie

      David, I don't believe you. Sorry. But I just can't believe anything a Mormon says when they can "Lie For The Lord".
      I mean, how can anyone trust any Mormon when they can do this sort of thing?? Lol! It makes no sense, and it's insulting!

      October 27, 2012 at 12:51 am |
    • Vicky

      STEPHANIE!!! You've just took the words from my mouth. You are absolutely right.
      David!!! If Romney now is not a Bishop of Mormons and not a high ranking member of this deceptive cult, that fact makes his face looking even worst. We do not know who he really is and what is his real point of view on the religion issues. This is the another principal in order to obtain public trust. That's why he is too short to rich the White House.

      November 4, 2012 at 7:56 pm |


    The Natonal Jewish Democratic Council said on December 16, 2011 the following:-

    1) "President Obama provided Israel with the largest amount of American military aid in U.S. history,"

    2) "Over $3 billion per year to assist Israel's military to ensure it has the latest and most efficient technologies and weapons available."

    3) "$250 million in supplemental funding to develop the Iron Drove missile system. Israel's defense leaders praised its exceptional success at saving the lives of Israelis who live under the threat of Hamas rockets."

    4) "President Obama restored Israel's Qualitative Military Edge (QME) with advanced weaponry by:
    (a) selling Israel bunker busting bombs.
    (b) selling Israel F- 35 fighter planes.
    (c) fast tracking arms sales,
    (d) Jumper Cobra 2012 Austere Challenge joint military exercises- the largest and most expensive exercises ever with Israel."

    (e) "Authorizing Israel to use American weapons stored in Israel during an emergency."
    (f) "Working with Israel to combat smuggling arms into Gaza."

    5) "Forcefully opposed the Palestinians attempt to unilaterally declare a state."

    6) "Voted with Israel 100% of the time in the United Nations, a first in modern history."

    7) "Answered Israel's "3am phone call" and personally intervened to rescue Israel's diplomats in Cairo."

    These are the facts. President Obama has an impeccable record in his support for Israel. Christians must base their decisions on the truth and not on lies.


    October 20, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Glen

      Which is truth and which are lies APOSTLE STEPHEN PAUL DELSOL The relation between Israel and US have never been at a lower point. We all saw how Obama treated Netanyahu and how it talked behind his back to the leader of France caught over an open mic. Obama is more concerend with the Arabs and the Palestinians who he see as the the underdogs in this battle but Christians know who we need to support. Obama's polcicies of appeasements towards Arab and Muslim nations are coming back to roost on his watch and we all know what things brought us in recent days. Real Christians know how to spot a fake no Romney is not a Christians either but at least he is not runniing for a religious office or the Church but as President of the nation like any other job. Obama has made his policies clear its is redistribution, class warfare, abortion, anti faith policies and gay marriage all of this flies in the face of God.

      October 22, 2012 at 11:51 am |
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