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October 22nd, 2012
04:41 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Monday, October 22

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Atheist billboard attacks Romney’s faith, but Mormons say it's misleading
When he campaigns in southern Florida on Monday, Mitt Romney will have an unwelcome traveling partner: a mobile billboard attacking his religion. The billboard on wheels, sponsored by American Atheists, attacks the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for its treatment of African-Americans and gays, though the church says the attacks are inaccurate.

CNN: Pope names first Native American saint
Sunday was a big day for Catholics in North America. Thousands of miles away in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI named 17th century Mohawk Kateri Tekakwitha the first Native American saint.

CNN: Is Obama the ‘wrong’ kind of Christian?
Historians may remember Obama as the nation’s first black president, but he’s also a religious pioneer. He’s not only changed people’s perception of who can be president, some scholars and pastors say, but he’s also expanding the definition of who can be a Christian by challenging the religious right’s domination of the national stage.

CNN: Quarterback moves to trademark 'Tebowing'
Thou shalt not Tebow, for the wages of Tebowing is trademark infringement. A management and consulting firm representing New York Jets back-up quarterback and evangelical sports icon Tim Tebow has moved one step closer to holding the trademark "Tebowing" for use on things as widespread as clothing, pencil sharpeners and holiday ornaments.

CNN: Mother Marianne becomes an American saint
An American health care pioneer will receive the Roman Catholic Church's highest honor this weekend. On Sunday, Mother Marianne Cope – along with another North American, Kateri Tekakwitha – will become a saint, a designation so difficult to achieve that only 10 other Americans have been canonized before her. Saint Marianne Cope, as she will soon be known, may be best remembered for her work with patients suffering from Hansen's disease – or lepers, as they were called at the time.

CNN: Mali Islamists destroy tombs in Timbuktu
Al Qaeda-linked rebels in northern Mali destroyed historic and religious landmarks in Timbuktu on Thursday, claiming the relics are idolatrous, residents told CNN. Three four-wheel-drive trucks carrying at least 30 armed fighters arrived Thursday morning at three mausolea – all U.N. World Heritage sites – in the southern Timbuktu neighborhood of Kabara, two residents told CNN by phone.

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Enlightening Reads:

Religion News Service: State of the God Gap
So what's the current state of the God Gap? A good deal less robust than it was in 2008. Just in is a new Hartford Courant/UConn poll that tabulates presidential preference by frequency of (reported) worship attendance. And what we find is that frequent attenders prefer the GOP ticket (Romney/Ryan) by 51 percent to 43 percent. That's down by one-third from the 55-43 margin for the GOP (McCain/Pain) in 2008.

The Jerusalem Post: Britain’s deputy PM makes visit to Auschwitz
Britain’s Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg joined students from high schools and colleges from across the Southeast of Britain on a visit to Auschwitz-Birkenau on Thursday. The visit was part of the Lessons from Auschwitz Project, run by the Holocaust Educational Trust, the London based charity which organizes for 3,000 students from the UK to visit the camp in Poland each year – two students from each institution of learning.

Reuters: Tweeting Turkish pianist Fazil Say denies religious insult charge
Turkish concert pianist Fazil Say’s exuberance has won him fans around the world, but it has also helped land him in court as a cause célèbre for those alarmed by Turkey’s creeping Islamic conservatism. On trial for insulting religion in citing a thousand-year-old poem on his Twitter account, the 42-year-old performer and composer told a first brief hearing in Istanbul on Thursday that he denied the charge, which can carry an 18-month sentence.

The Boston Globe: ‘Now or Later’ serves a powerful brew of religion, rights, and politics
Heaven knows there has been no shortage this month of high-profile, and occasionally high-temperature, political debates. But the clash of ideas in the Huntington Theatre Company production of Christopher Shinn’s “Now or Later’’ contains an especially volatile ingredient, one that’s virtually guaranteed to bring even the most arcane arguments to a boil: family. A complex father-son relationship lies at the heart of Shinn’s nuanced and thought-provoking drama about freedom of speech, the West’s relationship with the Muslim world, the challenges to gay rights, presidential politics, the contradictions of liberalism, and the perils of fundamentalism, whatever the religion.

Religion News Service: ‘Distilled Spirits’ traces birth of New Age spirituality
Gerald Heard is the most influential religious thinker you’ve never heard of. Without Heard, some of the major spiritual developments of 20th-century America - the introduction of Eastern mysticism, the development of the human potential movement and the spiritual use of psychedelic drugs - might never have happened. And at least one skeptical California newspaperman named Don Lattin might never have sobered up, stopped using, and found a measure of serenity and faith.

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CNN: Billy Graham buys election ads after Romney meeting
The most famous and revered pastor in America, Billy Graham, is calling on voters to cast a ballot for their faith in full-page ads in the Wall Street Journal, USA Today and other newspapers. Graham's picture appears prominently in the ads, next to copy that reads, "As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election could be my last."

- A. Hawkins

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soundoff (328 Responses)
  1. Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

    Who amongst us can honesty peer into his own butt and find God in that innerspace?

    ME ! ! ! !

    October 22, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  2. Why are Christians so dumb?

    God created the universe. Many billions of years ago, a life form evolved on a planet not so far distant and their scientists deduced the building blocks for life existed in the universe and from it, new life forms could be created. These ancient ones populated Mars with life and eventually, due to asteroid events over millions of years, life arrived here on Earth. We are a product of that primeval turbulence. Therefore, we must worship the Aliens, not God. The Aliens have to worship God. This is all true because I have faith that it happened just this way.

    October 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Robert

      What did you eat for lunch today? You are obviously having a delusional reaction. Science and their egineers (aka scientist) uncover what God has created. There is nothing written in scriptures about aliens on other planets. However, scriptures do describe the heavens.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Athy

      The scriptures are ancient myths. Some would call them bullshit.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance in atheist

      It's not my fault you do not comprehend scriptures. That would mean ... wait, you'd have to work at learning them.

      October 22, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  3. Why are crabs so dumb?

    I just returned from dinner at a road side seafood eatery that lets you pick your crab and eat outside by the sea and make a nice big mess. When the crab I bought was being weighed, I noticed as it struggled on the scale that it lifted it’s right claw up to the heavens it what appeared to be "prayer".

    If Crabs had Gods, their Gods would be Crabs.

    It occurred to me then that the Crabs most likely were praying to Crabala, the Crab God. After scrutinizing the crabs more closely, it became apparent that this was in fact, the Crab Hajj. These crabs are being called to pray but instead find them self in a boiling pot.

    Where is your God now stupid crabs?

    October 22, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

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      October 22, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  4. Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

    I invented my own God place with my imagination. That makes it real.

    October 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Inventions come without saying ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      October 22, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Meatwad

      I don't have any real dolls, I prefer to use my infinite imagination... cause I ain't got no damn money.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      🙁

      October 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  5. A few theology questions for Topher

    Here's a few theological questions for you –

    Why are all the gospels totally different in describing the Resurrection? They radically differ on how many went to the grave, what she/they found/didn't find,and what happened after. They are all very different and incompatible.

    Why did God make laws that demanded things like selling your daughter into slavery and killing your unruly children and all that other Old Testament psychosis? Why were monstosities like that okay with him? Why did he change his morality if he is absolute and perfect, and why would a perfect being want foreskins?

    How did Noah round up all the 3,000,000 non bacterial land species and get them from all over the globe to the ark? How did he build a 440' ark out of wood when all attempts to built steel-reinfoirced wooden vessels over 300-350 feet failed (wood is not strong enough, no matter how much you use). If there were only 8 people, how did they feed those 6,000,000 animals – they woul have had to feed 4 species a second non-stop 24/7 for the whole journey. How did they get 6,000,000 animals and all their food into a 1,500,000 cubit foot structure? How did we get all the different races from Noah's descendants, who would have been the source of all humans?

    I have lots more, but those will do for now. Have at it, buddy. This should be good for a laugh!

    October 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Silly wabbit,,,,
      Tricks are for kids!

      October 22, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Thank you, Mr. Innerspace Brainiac!

      Nice grasp of theology you have there. Quite intellectual and well-supported.

      Your innerspace notion is from your imagination , and your theology comes from a Trix commercial.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Topher

      Let's take one at a time. Which do you want me to answer first?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • A few theological questions for Topher

      Why do you ask? Why don't you just man up and answer one?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Topher

      I'm just being nice to you and letting you pick. I don't want to go down any rabbit trails when trying to discuss one subject. Would you rather I pick?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Topher

      OK, you asked ... "Why did he change his morality if he is absolute and perfect ..."

      Simple answer. He didn't. His morality is the same. The covenants are different.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • A few theology questions for Topher

      That's a major fail,Topher. What God demands of hmans is sick and wicked. What he hikmself does in the Old Testament is sick and wicked. Why did all that change when Jesus shows up?

      Your answer was childish and shallow. You have to do better than that.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • OneTruth

      Topher.There were a few topics. Pick one or two and answer. I know religion means being a follower but you were given permission to do something without being told.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Topher

      A few theology questions for Topher

      "That's a major fail,Topher."

      I'm sorry you don't like the answer, but it is what's true. It is certainly not a fail.

      "What God demands of hmans is sick and wicked. What he hikmself does in the Old Testament is sick and wicked."

      Specifically?

      "Why did all that change when Jesus shows up?"

      I'm assuming you are talking about the stuff in the OT about foods, clothes, stonings and the like. You have to understand that the rules in the OT can be divided into three catagories ... 1) priestly 2) moral and 3) laws for those people at that time. Priestly laws (such as the sacrifices) and laws for those people at that time (clothes, what to eat, how to handle punishments) have changed with the new covenant. Only morals laws (the 10 Commandments) are still in play. You have to understand that we broke the old covenant. We didn't keep it. Jesus ushered in a new covenant in which He did all the work already for us. All we have to do is repent and trust in Him.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • A few theology questions for Topher

      We'll let that gibberish stand as your answer. How about all the other questions? Since you need help, start with the other questions in the same paragraph. Do them in order. Then do the one about the Resurrection, then do Noahs Ark.

      You are the one who asked for theological questions. It's now time to man up and answerr them.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Topher

      "Why did God make laws that demanded things like selling your daughter into slavery and killing your unruly children and all that other Old Testament psychosis?"

      Already answered this one ... they were laws for those people at that time.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Topher

      "Why are all the gospels totally different in describing the Resurrection? They radically differ on how many went to the grave, what she/they found/didn't find,and what happened after. They are all very different and incompatible."

      I agree there are differences ... some are more detailed than others. But I disagree wholeheartedly that they are incompatible. What specifically do you have a problem with?

      October 22, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • A few theology questions for Topher

      You did not understand. Why did God demand his followers to do sick evil things lie kill unruly children and sell daughters into slavery in order to appease him?

      October 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • A few theology questions for Topher

      Oh Topher, you are doing nothing but copping out. How many went to the grave. At least threeo f the Gospels must be wrong. What did they find there? At least three of the Gospels must be wrong.

      C'mon, show some courage. If Mary Magdalene went away and said nothing about it to anybody, then how did she tell a lot of people in another story, and how can anyone pretend that is not a contradiction.

      You argue very dishonestly.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Topher

      "You did not understand. Why did God demand his followers to do sick evil things lie kill unruly children and sell daughters into slavery in order to appease him?"

      Well, without going back and rereading those passages, I suppose it works much like the death penalty works now. We tell people that if you don't behave, there's going to be the ultimate consequences. You might not like capital punishment, but the threat of prison or even death keeps a lot of people from committing crimes.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • A few theology questions for Topher

      Gotta run. Make sure you answer all the questions. Can't wait to hear your answers about Noah's Ark!

      October 22, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      A few theology questions for Topher, is that question like "how many buried in the cemetery are dead"?

      October 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Topher

      Again, you have to be more specific in what you mean by how many went to the grave. Are you talking just about the group of women? Or do you also want me to count the went who went there after the fact?

      October 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Topher

      Cmon, dude! Don't run away now. It's just getting interesting. I'm not going to stay here and talk to myself.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Huebert

      Topher

      As far as you capitol punishment analogy, Their is a plethora of research to show that the death penalty, and harsher prison terms have no deterrent effect on crime.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Topher, remember you are dealing with extremely arrogant and ignorant people when you deal with nonbelievers. First, they assume you never go on to read other articles and they assume you MUST stick around to read every utterance of their bs they post. After you do provide them with your answer, they reject it anyway. It's all part of their circular arguments so they never have to grow up.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Topher

      Hey, Huebert. How's it going?

      Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of statistics for and against on both sides of that issue.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Topher

      Tired

      Yeah, I know. They can reject my answers if they want to. That's their choice. But at least they will now know what they are rejecting. Most are only going by the atheist handbook and have no idea what the Bible says.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Huebert

      Topher

      Actually no. The argument is pretty one sided against the death penalty. I've never found a single study that said it had any effect on crime rates. However it is very difficult, politically, to be against the death penalty in some states.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Topher

      Huebert

      Either way. We're getting off topic a bit here. Do you have any new questions for me?

      October 22, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance in atheist

      Huebert, try to think. Then when you do, put some wisdom behind it. If murderers and rapists get the death penalty and it is broadcasted on TV. Other wannabe murderers and rapists would see what happened to the perps and finally think and say "hey, is doing this dirty deed worth loosing my life"? So, you execute the perps and they can no longer harm another and you curtail future perps because they don't want to give up their lives. But, if you give them 3 squares a day for the rest of their lives, out in x amount of years for good behavior, what incentive does that give to future perps not to commit the deed? None.

      October 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Huebert

      @topher

      I don't have a question I was just debating a point you made. Though I do hope your day is going well.

      @Ignorance

      Unfortunately data does not support that paradigm. States that use the death penalty have similar, or higher, violent crime rates as those who don't.

      October 22, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • A few theology questions for Topher

      New questions? You didn't answer most of the old questions I put out for you.

      Look, I reposted the Noah's Ark ones at the top of the latest page, so go for it there.

      October 22, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  6. Why are Christians so dumb?

    Christians cling to religion and continue to endorse it as reality and insist that it somehow should govern morality and law-making. One can lay out all the evidence and build (and have built) an airtight case against every single religion on Earth past and present, but still believers will not budge from their point of view, even when presented with the lies and contradictions in the very scriptures they base their beliefs on.

    Understand, I am not talking about a belief in God. I do understand that. I am talking about religion. Every one of which has been empirically proven false but yet clings like moss to ancient rocks.

    I believe the single most important factor in this inability to see through the foolishness of religion is fear. Children’s stories of heaven and hell. The initial indoctrination for many, simply cannot be undone.

    Secondly, there is a feeling of community that comes with any “club” Naturally this is not relegated to religion so it does not qualify as an excuse.

    Lastly some minds are unable to think creatively enough to imagine the more plausible alternatives. What are those alternatives? Well we have to turn to science, but also we have to accept what we don’t know and keep looking. And in truth, we don’t really know anything about how the universe came to be, what came before and where it is going. If there are multiple universes and time lines through which we move, these would be marvelous discoveries. There is a wonderful article in Scientific American this month regarding a new spin on the Quantum theory. That being the quantum universe could have foamlike fluctuations that rule spacetime, not unlike the 0’s and 1’s that are the foundation of computing and storing information.

    If we wish to believe in the supernatural, we have to make things up. Hence religion. It doesn’t mean there is no god, or gods, or aliens, but it does mean that we don’t have the answers and most likely never will.

    Now we arrive back at fear. What will happen to me when I die? For me, I look forward to an eternity of nothing. Others fear this prospect and prefer to believe in fairies and fantasies and are not even ashamed that their mental description of an after life is akin to that of a 5-year-old’s picture book.

    I believe the Universe and the “everything” are FAR more bizarre than we could ever imagine with the faculties we have thus far obtained via evolution on this planet. And I wonder how many millions of civilizations across the vastness of space and time have pondered likewise.

    Finally, the entire planet is affected by the irrational belief systems of the various mainstream religions. It affects the global economy, it affects world peace, it affects our secular life style in the United States. These ancient belief systems are based on superst.ition and mythology. One would think humans would have moved forward by now but instead we as a species behave in the same self-destructive manner now as we did thousands of years ago with more at stake then at any other time in history.

    October 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      . .

      October 22, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Dumbness curtails reason likewise for anyone who cannot fathom the depths of innerness and such domains being Gods' places.

      IN WITH THEGOOD
      &
      OUT GOES THE BAD

      October 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Why are Christians so dumb?

      Christians ignore Jesus

      Christians are Liars

      Jesus made a number of very clear statements about money and wealth in the Bible. For example:

      Matthew 6:19
      Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

      Luke 14:33
      Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

      Matthew 6:24
      No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.

      Matthew 19:21-24
      Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

      Matthew 19:28-29
      Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

      Luke 9:23-25
      Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

      Matt 13: 22
      The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

      Hebrews 13:5
      Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

      Phil 2:3
      Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

      Acts 2:44-45
      All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

      The message is clear. If you want to follow Jesus, you need to "sell your possessions and give to the poor." It is a very simple message, and easy to do. Have you done it? The fact that you are reading this page would indicate that you have not. Chances are you own a computer, pay for an Internet connection every month, live in a home or apartment, have a car, etc. In other words, you live a life at a level of wealth unimaginable in Jesus' time. Meanwhile, billions of people on the planet live in startling, abject poverty.

      Why don't you sell everything and follow Jesus, as he requests in the Bible? The reason is simple: Jesus and God are imaginary, and you know it. If Jesus were real, you would do what he says.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Why, speaking of dumb. Those scriptures have been answered time and time again on this blog. Just because you refuse the answers Christians give means nothing to us, just an excuse for you to stay evil and commit more sin.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Romnesia

      Your answers are circular – you just quote more scriptures. Each sect interprets the bible its own way. Snakes in the church, prosperity gospel, etc. The bible is so inconsistent, each sect just chooses its own interpretation. Speaking of things covered multiple times in these blogs – can you show your proof that Zeus does not exist?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      No one has ever found Jesus' gospel to be false or ever could find it to be false. Actually, many have tried, all have failed. You are a liar for posting such an ball face untruth.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Romnesia

      Oh I see. No answers so attack. Once you've mastered English, explain how what you said is an answer to what I said.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Pete

      I find the teachings of Jesus to be false so I guess you are wrong again.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Athy

      What the hell is a "ball face" untruth?

      October 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      It refers to if your face was a ball, there is a blank look on it. Meaning, you lie without blinking an eye. Do you want to know how fast you blink your eye??

      October 22, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  7. Why are Christians so dumb?

    When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic." For example:

    • The Mormon religion contains the magical golden plates, the magical angel, the magical seer stones, the magical ascension of the plates into heaven, etc.

    • The Muslim faith contains the magical angel, the magical flying horse, the magical voices, the magical prophet, etc.

    • The Christian faith contains the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.

    The presence of "magic" is a clear marker for "imaginary." For example, how do we know that Santa is imaginary?

    Because (among other things) he has eight magical flying reindeer. How do we know that Jack and the Beanstalk is a fairy tale? Because (among other things) the story contains magical seeds. In the same way, how do we know that God is make believe? Because God is surrounded by magic.

    According to believers, God is an all-powerful being who has the divine, magical power to do anything. How do we know that this belief is a fairy tale? One way to know is to try to invoke God's magical power. For example, the Bible tells us in many places that God answers prayers. However, whenever we try to pray, we notice that nothing happens. That tells us that God is completely imaginary. The magical powers ascribed to him are a fairy tale.

    Another way to know is to read the stories of magical events in the Bible. There is the magical flood, yet we know with certainty that the flood never happened. There are the magical miracles of Jesus, but (predictably) none of these miracles left behind any tangible evidence. There is the magical resurrection, yet there is zero evidence that it ever occurred and no reason to believe it.

    God is identical to Leprechauns, mermaids and Santa. God is a magical fairy tale creature. The magic surrounding God tells us that God is imaginary.

    October 22, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      🙂 🙁 🙁 🙂

      October 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Why sounds like the new Jew Reality. Both are twinkies.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  8. Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

    In with the Good
    Out with the bad.

    October 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      You must PrayerTroll under a new name, judging by the way you mindlessly repeat mindless unevidenced assertions.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

      IN WITH THE GOOD
      OUT WITH THE BAD

      October 22, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Yup

      Yep. PrayerTroll has a new name.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  9. Our two best recruitrs for atheism today are "Topher" and "Tired of ignorance of atheists"!!!!

    Well done, guys! We rely on your foil-hat psychotic rantings to show people the true weirdness of religion.

    October 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Topher

      What exactly have I "ranted" about?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Who among us can honestly peer into the spaces of innerspace places? Who among us can peer upon the most far reaching depths of outspace places? Which way is up? And which way is down?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  10. Danny Kerensky

    Hey "Tired of ignorance of atheists", what did you mean when you said "Your planet Saturn leaves in mid December. Enjoy your evil while you can"?

    October 22, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      Still waiting, Mr. Ignorance.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      And still waiting, Mr. Ignorance.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Athy

      Mr Ignorance is ignoring you.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  11. Why are Christians so dumb?

    Many argue that, if science has not found an answer to a phenomenon, then God did it.

    Therefore before we understood lightning, God did it. Likewise for rain, tides, earthquakes, etc.

    Using this logic, every time we explain something we did not previously understand, a piece of God is eliminated.

    Therefore, God will necessarily be disproven over time.

    Therefore, there is no God.

    The law of a diminishing God.

    October 22, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      -) 🙁 🙂

      October 22, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Innerspace is my new imaginary Magichappyland for God!

      What? What proof do I have? Uh . . . .

      October 22, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Topher

      dumb?

      God either caused or allowed EVERYTHING to happen. It doesn't matter if we have a naturalistic explanation or not. Just because we now know how lightning works, doesn't mean God doesn't send it. Same for tides, rain or earthquakes.

      So just because we now "understand" how something works, that isn't disproving God.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      So when Ben Fanklin showed that you could control lightning by use of a lightning rod, Ben Franklin also was controlling God? An God is always controlled by the lightning rod when specific environmental conditions exists?

      God is easily controlled, isn't he? It's almost like there is no God, and lightning is a natural force.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you have so much more scientific understanding, Topher, how is it you can't point to a single thing that supports the belief that there is a god at all? There's no proof that "god sent lightning," you ding-a-ling.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Why are Christians so dumb?

      Topher, try to follow along. I am saying god is not necessary for these things to occur. That is not the same thing as saying god not create them in the fist place. I don't believe god created these things, but that is a totally different argument.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      🙁 🙂 🙁
      🙂 🙂

      October 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Topher

      dumb?

      I'm following. And I'm saying that not only did God create lightning in the first place, but also that He is causing each lightning strike.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Why are Christians so dumb?

      Topher, why are Christians so dumb?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Topher

      I personally blame my public education. 🙂

      October 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Robby Robot

      Good answer, Topher. You admit that you are dumb. However, since you are, by your own admission, dumb, how can a dumb person kow the cause of his own stupidity?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Topher

      dumb and stupid are not the same things.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, they're not. Unfortunately, you're both.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Dictionary definition of "Dumb"

      "Lacking intelligence or good judgment; STUPID; dull-witted.

      Webster lists the definition of "stupid" as "lacking intelligence." Webster lists the definition of "dumb" as "lacking intelligence."

      Yes, totally different.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Athy

      Topher does not appear to have an IQ much above his shoe size. Anybody that believes god controls every lightening bolt is clearly not thinking. How do people get this way? This goes way beyond brainwashing.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  12. Why are Christians so dumb?

    In a liberated society, freedom of conscience facilitates the progression of civilization. A purport of the notion of freedom of mind, Science provides an analytical method for our mere human minds to come to grasp with that which is the beauty of the infinitesimal universe around us. That is, until ignorant folks attempt to squash, main, and silence the voice of reason.

    Take the South and Midwest, where ignorance is the fashion of the day and any droplet of intellectual curiosity is squandered by the religious right. Free thinkers are herded by the sheep of the masses into conforming to the norm. From a young age children are taught not to question authority, not to question morality, not to question the essence of life. Scientific methods are obfuscated in favor of Creationist dribble.

    It is not unusual for a “teacher” in the South and Midwest to be incessant that evolution is wrong and to try to prove to students that the geological record supports the theory of a great flood while abridging the great 4,600,000,000 year span of geological time into a mere 6000. Religion seeps into the classroom to perverse the minds of the student body. Christianity is a moral puppet and anyone who had a different world view was ostracized. Furthermore, many children can't grasp the basic fundamentals of modern science that allow us to live in such a technologically progressive society. How are they to be imparted upon lessons of logic and analytical reasoning when they believe in the fairy tale of god?

    October 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      You sure typed a lot for saying nothing. You have the right to remain ignorant. Go in peace as you do so.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Why are Christians so dumb?

      If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find:

      "A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

      Most believers would agree with this definition because they share a remarkably clear and consistent view of God. Yes, there are thousands of minor (and some major) quibbles about religion. Believers express those quibbles in dozens of denominations - Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and all faiths. But at the heart of it all, the belief in God aligns on a set of core ideas that everyone accepts.

      What if you were to simply think about what it would mean if there were a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe? Is it possible for such a being to exist?

      Epicures thought about it in 300 BCE, and he came up with this:

      "The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly, they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, than they are not benevolent. If they are neither able nor willing, then they are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"

      In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Why, you post a lot of nonsense that says nothing at all. Have a good day. Try not to hurt yourself or others.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Why are Christians so dumb?

      God has you in his book. He has a plan for each of us. He knows when you will be born and when you will die. He is therefore responsible for all death, murder and destruction for all of history including every abortion ever performed, every r.a.p.e, every murder, every miscarriage, every atrocity. He is perfect. He is omniscient. He is omnipotent. So how could this not be so?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      🙂

      October 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  13. Wondering Wally Wombat from Walla Walla Washington

    In the movie Terminator, the terminator comes to Earth to destroy and kill as much as possible. The terminator is evil, devoid of love, something to be fought and resisted. Anyone who wanted to help the terminator would be traitors to humanity, seeking their own personal benefits at the cost of the terror to everyone else.

    In the movie "Independence Day," the aliens come to Earth to destroy and kill everything. The aliens are evil devoid of love, to be fought and resisted. Anyone who wanted to help the aliens would be traitors to humanity, seeking their own personal benefits at the cost of the terror to everyone else.

    Jesus' plan is to come to Earth and destroy and kill everything. Why would anyone think that what is obviously evil is love? Anyone who wanted to help theJesus would be traitors to humanity, seeking their own personal benefits at the cost of the terror to everyone else.

    If you really gave the whol Christian story some thought, you would obviously recognize that God is evil. No wonder Christians are "God-fearing."

    October 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Jesus comes to destroy evil. Only evil needs to worry.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Topher

      God is to be feared, yes. But He is not evil.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Terminator Jesus: I'm be back . . . to kill everyone

      Thanks for sharing, deluded toadies of evil.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      Actually, According to your Bible, God is not coming to destroy evil; he is coming to punish those who do not obey. The Bible makes it clear that even the most loving, giving and good people will also be destroyed (then kept going so they can be tortured forever) if they don't obey the right god.

      Your god is not interested in good. He is only inerested in servile obedience, which is hardly an admirable personality trait.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Terminator, A R N O L D makes movies that are make believe.

      Have a good day.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Danny Kerensky, that's what is called evil.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Topher

      Danny Kerensky

      "The Bible makes it clear that even the most loving, giving and good people will also be destroyed ..."

      You are mistaken. The Bible doesn't say good people will be destroyed because it says there are NO good people. Now, by man's standard, sure there are. But not by God's. His standard is perfection.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Danny Kerensky, there is only a group of souls that get tortured for ever. All other lost souls are gone forever. They are not tortured.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Why are Christians so dumb?

      God's plan" is the way that Christians traditionally explain things like amputations, cancer, hurricanes and car accidents.

      For example, if a Christian dies a painful and tragic death because of cancer, she dies as part of God's plan. Her death has a purpose. God called her home for a reason. Even if something bad happens to a Christian, it is actually good because it is part of God's plan.

      You can see how pervasive "God's plan" is by looking in Christian inspirational literature. For example;

      Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      There is also this:

      Regardless of the circ.u.mstances of your birth or who your parents are, God had a plan in creating you.

      Under this view of the universe, God plans everything.
      Take a moment and think about this, "He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death." Let's examine one simple implication of this statement. What this means is that God has pre-planned every abortion that has taken place on our planet.

      If the concept of "God's plan" is true, you can first of all see that God wants us to be aborting children. Every single abortion is planned by God, so God must be doing it for a reason. Second, you can see that both the mother who requests the abortion and the doctor who performs it are blameless. Since it is God who planned the abortion of the child (God chose the "exact time" of the death, the mother and doctor are simply puppets who are fulfilling God's plan, are they not? What about all the Christians who are fighting against abortion? If abortion is part of God's plan, why are they fighting it? God is the all-powerful ruler of the universe, and his plan is for more than a million children a year to die in the United States through abortion.

      If God's plan is true, then each one of those abortions was meticulously planned by God.

      If God does not intend for us to perform abortions, is it then wrong that God has a plan? If God has a plan, is he not the direct cause of every abortion? Simply think it through, and you will begin to see the problems in this proposition.

      Think about Adolph Hit.ler. He was evil incarnate, and Hit.ler is well known for the atrocious things he did. What I would like you to do right now is to consider this statement: "Hit.ler is part of God's Plan." Think about this:

      He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      God never does anything accidentally, and he never makes mistakes. He has a reason for everything he creates. Every plant and every animal was planned by God, and every person was designed with a purpose in mind.

      If God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hit.ler too. It is when you stop to think about it deeply that the contradictions hit you.

      Now let's imagine that you say a prayer in this sort of universe. What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, Holocaust victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it? Yet Christians seem to attach themselves to both ideas, despite the irresolvable problem the two ideas create.

      Think about what God's plan means for you personally. If the plan happens to say that you will get hit by a bus tomorrow, or that terrorists will blow you up, or that you will be shot in the head four times, then that's what will happen. It would be the same with any disease. If you contract cancer this afternoon and die three months later, that is God's plan for you. Praying to cure the cancer is a waste. God plans for you to die, so you will die. He has pre-programmed the exact time of your death. There is nothing you can do to change the plan - no amount of prayer will help - because your death will have meaning and your death will cause side-effects that are also part of the plan.

      Who will you marry? You actually have no choice in the matter. God has pre-planned your wedding in minute detail. "God knew that those two individuals [your parents] possessed exactly the right genetic makeup to create the custom 'you' that he had in mind. They had the DNA God wanted to make you." Therefore, your spouse was pre-chosen by God for you so that you would create the children who are a part of his plan. You also have no choice in the number of children you will have - God has pre-planned their births.

      In addition, this sort of universe means that Hit.ler is blameless. Hit.ler was not "evil," because Hit.ler had no free will at all. Hit.ler was simply an actor forced to play his role in God's plan. God planned for millions of people to die in the Holocaust - he planned their deaths in exact detail. Hit.ler had to kill those people. Hit.ler was God's puppet in making that those millions of deaths happen right on schedule.

      In the same way then, every murderer is blameless. Since God has planned each of our deaths in exact detail, murderers are actually essential to God's plan. Why do we punish them? We should be rewarding them for doing their God-planned duty. What if you get r.a.p.ed tomorrow and get pregnant? God did that because he planned the exact time of that child's birth and death. God actually pre-planned your r.a.p.e, and the rapist was God's puppet. Rather than hating the rapist, we should celebrate God's plan.

      Do you believe that murderers and rapists should be rewarded? Do you believe that Hit.ler was sent by God to kill millions of people in the Holocaust? Do you believe that God is the direct cause of every abortion on this planet? Do you believe that you have no choice in your spouse or the number of children you have? Probably not. But that is what you are saying when you state that Hit.ler or cancer or anything else is part of "God's plan."

      If you think about it as an intelligent person, you will realize that the statement "It is part of God's plan" is one of those meaningless palliatives. When you sit down and think it through using your common sense, the statement makes no sense.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Good and precise answer Topher.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • niknak

      Hey Gopher,
      If you really believe that god does not destroy good people, then does that mean all the people god drowned in the flood were evil?
      Even the babies? Since there must have been thousands of people who drowned some must have been new borns.
      They were drowned by your loving god. Were they evil? Newborns?
      So only Noah and his family were good people? Not one of the others who were drowned, by you god?
      Can't you see just how foolish your whole argument for your god is?
      Or are you going to just use the old catch-all "god works in mysterious ways" to brush all this aside?
      Magic, it's whats for dinner in fundie households........

      October 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Topher

      Yeah, that's a tough one to wrap our minds around, but yes, all those who died in the flood were evil. But Noah and is family were not good, either. Genesis 6 calls Noah "righteous" an the rest of the world "corrupt."

      October 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Topher, I hope this atheist is speaking of Noah's flood. The same reason for destroying the evil people during the flood of Noah's time is the exact reason Jesus is coming back. He's at the door as we post.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      Evil babies?

      The reason it is so difficult to wrap your mind around it is that it is totally insane and absurd.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Pete

      God is also pro abortion, because at least some of the women who drowned in the flood would have been pregnant.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  14. God's Oldest Dreamer

    Topher wrote on October 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm, stating, "We (meaning Christians) are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Is that what you mean? Where do you stand on God? Do you believe He exists?"

    "Indwelt"? "by the Holy Spirit"?

    Imagine if one wills, "Nothingness". Just exactly how much Nothingness exists? Does not Nothingness separate galaxies? Does not Nothingness separate atoms? Therefore, could this Nothingness be nothing more than the Holy Spirit?

    God exists Topher and so does all God's brethren and servants and God's family exist and they live deeply within and upon the sub-atomic cosmos while we in our current form(s) live upon a cosmos of vastness and great size. Size is unimportant in God's worlds which are made perfect from the beginning. We are but God's building as is all of celestial-based life. Innerspace is God's place and outerspace is for the human race.

    Live your Life of celestialness peacefully Topher,
    G.O.D.

    October 22, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Terminator Jesus: I'm be back . . . to kill everyone

      Absolutely true, Dreamer. God is nothing more than nothingness.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Speaking of the Lord's galaxy. Your planet Saturn leaves in mid December. Enjoy your evil while you can.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Danny Kerensky

      The planet Saturn leaves in December? Care to explain that interesting bit of information with us?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Come now Danny. Why aren't your scientist covering what hasn't happened in 25,800 years.

      October 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Danny Kerenky

      Why aren't scientists studying things that don't happen?

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      Oh thank you! That was wonderful!

      October 22, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  15. Ned

    {For if one cannot find vision in my thoughts, then you are not yet ready for understandings of the "hidden"}

    ~in other words, if you dont think like i do, then you are stupid. sorry dude, i dont wanna know what's "hidden" in your closet.

    October 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Shapeshifting other's words are a commonplace practice for those who incite negatives.

      Peace to you and your word,
      G.O.D.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place and outerspace is for the human race.

      .

      October 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  16. ANDRE HIMES

    ANDRE HIMES miraculous survival in the future will be instrument in leading many lost souls of those whom SATAN claim belong to him , to JESUS CHRIST . ZEPHANIAH CHAPTER 3 from beyond the rivers of ETHIOPIA my supplicants even the daughter of my disperse shall bring mine offering.

    October 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  17. ANDRE HIMES

    BILL CLINTON (the beast of revelation chapter 13) and his fallen black hip hip and antebellum angels have made strategic mis calculation by tricking the white feminists as well as those whites who have a long history of embracing white supremacy in beliving it will be easy to get rid of andre himes with many of them not knowing about the power of the l HOLY LAMB of GOD in heaven and seal of the living GOD who has been guarding his life since he was born at SHAW AIR FORCE BASE on a satanic HOLIDAY APRIL 30 1965.

    October 22, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Terminator Jesus: I'm be back . . . to kill everyone

      I somehow missed the art of Revelation where Slick Willy Satan leaves office and gives speeches, and the world goes on without him.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      What? No human being is the beast in Revelation. That distinction belongs to Satan himself.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Terminator, you watch too much of A R N O L D's movies.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  18. niknak

    Morning all;
    Just another beautiful day without god(s).
    Hope you are diggin' it too.....

    October 22, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      I suppose you believe your scientists created the day? LOL.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • niknak

      No fundie, man created the idea of the day.
      Our day, here on Earth is predicated on our planet spinning on it's axis, which is approximately 24 hours (as a side, the Julian calander which we use is 6 hours off which is why we need a leap year to rectify it. By contrast, the Mayan calander got the spin correct and needed no leap year).
      The universe does not give a rip about a "day." It is only a man made up concept which only applies to planets revolving around their host star. And each planet will have a different period which they would call a day.
      I know one thing, your god fairy did not create it.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      niknak, Go search all your sources and see where science explains "where it all came from".

      Hurry now, don't come back until you give me a the answer.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  19. Topher

    Good morning, everyone!

    October 22, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Topher

      If anyone would like to discuss Christian theology or has an honest question about God or the Bible, please feel free to ask. I don't claim to know everything, but if I'm not sure about something, I'll be happy to look it up.

      October 22, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Jehovah's Fight Club Admiinistrator

      If anyone wants to have an honest answer to a question about anything, don't ask Topher.

      October 22, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Topher

      Why not?

      October 22, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Topher,

      The Bible/Gospel teaches us that we labour together with God and we are His husbandries and His Buildings. If this scripture is truth, then, just how small is God and His kind if they inhabit our body-like buildings?

      1Corinthians 3:9 is the scriptural verse I cite,,,

      October 22, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Topher

      Dreamer

      I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking how physically large God is?

      The passage you mention is saying that we (Christians) are to help work/build the field/building (unbelievers or those that are "infants" in Christ). Paul is addressing disagreements between the groups ministered to by himself and another named Apollos. And he says that though both have introduced the people to Christ, it is God who did the growing. So that being said, I'm still not sure what you are asking. Perhaps you could rephrase it?

      October 22, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      In my Life's progressive onward march, I fail to see your perspective rationalism as being but an archaic sanctum eulogy. The "mustard seed" parable along with 1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building. " and Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." must assuredly give one an understanding regarding the reality of God and His KInd living so very deeply inside that which we know of as being Life and are also buildings for the Godly of God.

      You see Topher, Folks of your decree are held deadened by parroted reasoning and cannot fathom the size of ultruistic relativisms when thinking so very small.

      I am not here to condemn anyone their hardened viewpoints. For if one cannot find vision in my thoughts, then you are not yet ready for understandings of the "hidden". It makes no difference my or your stance Topher. All that truly matters is having Faith in God beyond anyone's understandings.

      Peace be with yoy Topher,
      G.O.D.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Topher

      We (meaning Christians) are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Is that what you mean?

      Where do you stand on God? Do you believe He exists?

      October 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Topher. God Bless you with that patience of yours. You'll probably have more luck in Mid December to get through to the blind and deaf on this site.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Topher

      Well, thank you, Tired. The atheists might not believe it, but I care about them as one who used to be one of them. They clearly don't know the Bible or what it says and I'm just trying to help them understand.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Topher

      Anyone else have a theology question?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • I wonder

      Topher
      "Anyone else have a theology question?"

      Did the god Saturn really cut off Cupid's wings with his scythe?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Topher

      Depends. Do you mean in mythology? Or in real life?

      Now, does anyone have a question on Christian theology?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Topher, haven't you read any of the atheist answers on this site. They believe they know scriptures more than a Christian. LOL.

      October 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      I wonder, you do know who the God Saturn is don't you? You worship him.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Topher

      Are you talking to me?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      No Topher. That question about the planet saturn was directed at Iwonder.

      October 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    October 22, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • Mirosal

      only in the perceptions of your feeble, weak mind... religion is the most played "Jedi mind trick" there is.

      October 22, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • Poltergiest

      Good ole reliable strawbot.

      October 22, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 22, 2012 at 10:43 am |
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      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
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      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian..

      October 22, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      October 22, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot

      October 22, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Hey feeble minded Mirosal. Knock Knock. Jesus is at the door.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      DOT, you are wrong. LOL.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Jes, give it a rest with man made studies and man made thinking.

      October 22, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Terminator Jesus: I'm be back . . . to kill everyone

      If you recognize that all other religions are man-made, why can't you see the obvious final association, that yours is too?

      October 22, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's Place while outerspace is for the human race.

      🙂 🙁 🙂

      October 22, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Tired of ignorance of atheists

      Terminator, because I was not deceived. And you? When are you going to learn that those that deceive are yanking your chain into not believing?

      October 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer still changes things

      October 22, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
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