My Take: Muslims must engage politically, look outside themselves
Muslim Americans must exercise their right to vote and be part of the process, says Khalid Latif.
October 25th, 2012
01:00 PM ET

My Take: Muslims must engage politically, look outside themselves

Editor's Note: Imam Khalid Latif is a chaplain for New York University and executive director of the school's Islamic Center.

By Khalid Latif, Special to CNN

My wife and I were on our way into Bed, Bath and Beyond in late August when I decided to check my office voicemail from my cell phone. I told her I'd meet her inside. When I did, she asked whether I had any messages.

"Just one,” I told her. “I was asked to deliver an invocation at this year's Republican National Convention." She responded with a smile on her face, "Of course you were," and then showed me the pillows she’d selected.

I didn't get a chance to decide whether I would accept the invitation, as Hurricane Isaac changed the RNC schedule and made the decision for me. But before the impending storm blew me off the schedule, I sought advice from friends and colleagues. What were the implications of my participating at the RNC? Would it make sense?

One conservative, evangelical Republican friend told me that it would have been a great way to start a conversation with members of his party who are fed up with the current platform and, amongst other things, the party’s highly anti-Muslim and Islamophobic rhetoric. Now, it seemed, that conversation wouldn't happen.

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But I couldn't understand why it must take a Muslim standing on an RNC stage to get people talking. Is that really the only way a Muslim voice can be heard in the political arena? Realistically, it's not. The other options just require more time, strategy and patience.

Like all other citizens, American Muslims can be heard through our right to vote. We, as a community, can amplify our voice by building coalitions more broadly with other groups. And we can speak the loudest by encouraging our best and brightest to be a part of the system.

Most American Muslims aren't hearing a discourse that tells them to be civically engaged on a local or grassroots level, which is a huge problem. The presidential election is not the only election that takes place in our country; the impact that one can have on local communities is just as important.

We are starting to get this. In comparison to 10 years ago, today we see more Muslim mayors, city council members and commissioners, law enforcement agents, policymakers and others. But there is still a long way to go. Refraining from being part of the process really isn't an option anymore.

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In deciding who to work with or which candidate to support on any level, be it local or national, it's important to be informed beyond one's own needs. Most Muslims keep from building relationships with other groups unless there is some direct impact on us.

We don't stand up for others’ rights as well as we should. Then, when we want others to be there for us and validate our community, we don't get what we need so readily because we weren’t there for their communities or still don’t understand issues beyond our own.

Do you know what conversations are taking place in your local government? Decisions are being made that will affect people who live in your town, your city, your state, your entire country.

If the Muslim community wants people to stand with us when a hateful person protests the building of our mosques, we need to stand with them at their time of need, or even at times when there is no pressing need at all. The myopic perspective that keeps us from thinking strategically and, more importantly, humanely, needs to go.

I watched the presidential debates at the Islamic Center at New York University, where I was joined by my students and community members. I watched so that I could be better informed of the candidates' stances on all issues - including the ones that affect me directly and those that touch people around me.

I will keep telling my students, whom I encouraged to register to vote, that they must think beyond the presidential election and get involved locally. New York City will elect a new mayor next year, along with many other officials, and they should be a part of that process, too.

And I will keep telling them that civic engagement is not just about having your voice heard. It's also about having confidence that you have something to offer that will make society better.

My students, like many other American Muslims, can and should help the growth and development of our country. The time is here for them to see not only how their being Muslim benefits them individually but also how their being Muslim benefits the world around them.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Khalid Latif.

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soundoff (1,030 Responses)
  1. Ash

    Any religion or gad that says other gods are bad are filthy gods...

    October 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Agreed, but all Gods say other Gods and their followers are bad.

      In fact, you are all correct.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Word God is short of hindu god GOWD, the belly, Allah is the word , truth absolute to call upon deity and creator, The constant, proven by quantum Physics, your head is full of hind, filth of your GOWD, hindu, ignorant.

      October 25, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • saurov

      this bugger below needs to learn English first. what ignorance.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  2. ediguy2

    CNN is going lower and lower by the day. Keep the mooselim stuff outta the US. THat religion is notgning but pure evil.

    October 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Christianity is nothin' to smile about!

      October 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • John

      christianity that hates all other races and relgions is no different, Judaim which states to kill non jews is no different, atehism is the way to go

      October 25, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  3. Mohammad_al_Tahilo

    Sharia law will come to the United States one day, I have faith in Allah.

    October 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • pinkfloyd43

      Nope that's not ever going to happen as the United States, ever!

      October 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Ralph M

      I have something in allah too, from behind. You smellies are worse than wellies. You wont do nothing to help yourselves, at least the wellies steal.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      First Allah was supposed to get rid of Jews. How did that work out? Islam Is a religion of peace. How is that workin' out? Osama Bin laden believed in Allah. I sure hope Allah can swim. Once you fools run out of oil, no one will care about you, Allah or the middle east.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Samina

      And you must be one of those islamophobic right wing muslim haters..nice try, calling yourself Mohammed!

      October 25, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • ME II

      @Ralph M,
      Just curious, what's a "wellie"?

      October 25, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Guest

      Pretend to be a Muslim?!

      Majority of Muslims who are in USA they enjoy the freedom to practice their faith and the separation of the religion and state.

      October 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • John

      let me guess , you're Jewish pretending to be muslim, i never heard a muslim say that, nice try.. too bad hitler didnt take care of you

      October 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • American Mulsim

      I don't believe that you are a Muslim. You want to provoke people against Muslims. Shame on You. Nobody prevents a Muslim to practice his faith here in USA, as a matter of fact must Muslims migrating to USA for better life and having freedom to practice. We are part of this society and are supposed to participate in it and respect its laws. Democracy must be Cherished by all including Muslims. Separation of religion and state keeps the dignity and purity of the religion.

      October 25, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Saleem

      Anyone that believes that the OP is really a Muslim is unbelievably stupid.

      October 26, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • Isabella

      No way! There will be a war pal!

      November 3, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  4. jkegor

    Then go back to whatever country you came from and take your koran with you.

    October 25, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Guest

      He is not a Muslim, he is playing one on blog to demean Muslims.

      October 25, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
  5. jkegor

    I feel the people should vote for the best person, NOT THE PARTY.

    October 25, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  6. Mohamiss Shafik-Kaddir

    Sharia law and Democracy are incompatible . Any true muslim will obey the Koran , the Sharia and the Hadiths and the Surrah . Democracy is the political system of dis-beilief in Islam and is haram . No true muslim will obey man's filthy laws , only the law of God , Allah . Democracy is anti Islamic in nature and is forbiden . Only the Infidel and Kaffir follow Democracy . A Muslim cannot be a slave to Allah and a slave to Democracy . Only the Sharia will lead Muslims to freedom from dis-belief in Islam , and true freedom from the curse of the Infidel .

    October 25, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Elliot

      Most major religions have their own laws that apply to their own private communities. Judaism has talmudic law. The Catholics have Canon law etc etc. In a country however such as the US, or European nations people follow the law of the land and follow their religions laws privatetly.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Samina

      Don't let islamophobes generate this fear in America..pls know what muslims really follow and believe.. Watch this-


      October 25, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • Guest

      There are many true Muslims in USA who practice peacefully their religion here and they love the freedom teh didn't have intheir own country. If by Shria Law you mean religious practices i.e. halal meat not drinking alcohol , pray, fast, etc. you may follow them in USA as well (or even easier may be) than back home. Democracy is good for all, including Muslims.

      October 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Cindy

      Then go back to your muslim lands and leave us alone.

      October 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Adam1950

      Mohamis, you are a fake!

      October 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • American Mulsim


      You are ignorant. Nobody prevents you to practice your faith here in USA, as a matter of fact must Muslims migrating to USA for better life and having freedom to practice. We are part of this society and are supposed to participate in it and respect its laws. Democracy and separation of religion and state keeps the dignity and purity of the religion.

      October 25, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Muslim Guest

      Mohamiss, I am a Muslim. You are either an ignorant fanatic or faking as Muslim.

      October 25, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Isabella

      Time for you to go live outside the West.

      November 3, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
  7. Betty

    Shut it!

    October 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  8. Jim in Florida

    Goodness, the BS is pouring out of CNN as we near election day. Where did CNN find these worms?

    October 25, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Isabella

      A good question that you are asking!

      November 3, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
  9. Chat Pata

    It is amazing that Muslims continue to vote Republican party, despite the fact that Republican wars have killed millions of Muslims. With this much hatred for them by the Republicans, Muslims should be voting Democratic party 100%. Unfortunately Democratic party supports all minorities including jews and gays. That would make Muslims so mad that they would vote Republicans. Pathetic. It is time they stood up and say, "To hell with the Cons, gays and jews don't bother me, mass murderers do, I am voting and supporting Democrats this time".

    October 25, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Scott

      You answered your own question. The Jews overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party. Muslim loathing of Jews is is far stronger and has a far longer history than American anti-Muslim bias. Of course Muslims will support the Republican party, there are less Jews there.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Sphinx


      October 25, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Nik

      Chat pata what a lame analysis. Obama has killed thousands just with his drone strikes. Why are democrats any better? Guantanomo is still open! Torture is still in place.

      Muslims probably vote based on economic issues, I understand this as an Indian.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Jane

      What about democrats' war in syria and libya that killed muslims and destabilized Mali, a country with a large Muslim population. What about drone attacks by a sitting democrat president. Stop pretending that its only republicans that go to war.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • tangdayi

      For Nik, concerned about lives over there and not about lives over here...which ones has more value to you? Or is it the theme that any excuse will do to either 1) not vote, or 2) throw away a vote, or 3) vote for Romney, or 4) not vote for Obama. If you have no other understanding of the world that the President is responsible for all that Congress does as it sets US governmental policy, then you don't understand the process, rely upon sound bites from Faux News, and your opinion fails the "smell" test...for the stench you dislike rises from your own pile of verbiage–it's full of it.

      October 25, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
  10. DustyOnes

    Is anything more worthless than a gay atheist. They are worst than teats on a boar hog.

    October 25, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Bobpitt

      You wrote: "Is anything more worthless than a gay atheist.?"

      Well go and look in the mirror, and you will get your answer..!!

      October 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  11. Observing From a Distance

    Keep your Muslim ways to yourself and very very quietly at that .....any religion that places women two tiers below their livestock is not a religion at all it is a disease....you say all Muslims are not extremists and yet if given the command to either kill Gadahfi or Mother Teresa we all know who would be joining there God.....Teach your students to honour women and men equally...and fight for the rights of women to be educated, drive cars, make their own decisions on who to love and marry....maybe have your students write a letter of support to the 14 yearold girl who posed such a threat to Islam that she was shot in the head....don't bother running for office federally or locally ...having the Romneys, Ryans, Mourdocks, Atkins, Palins, Gingrichs, Trumps, and the rest of the Repugnicans is more than we can handle now.

    October 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu, Islam is not hinduism, corruption of truth absolute religion but Theen Allah, consti tution of truth absolute, based on constant, essence of humanity, a hindu, ignorant such as you have no knowledge of. get some real education, knowledge, before spewing you hinduism, absurdities about Muslims and Islam, hindu, stupid like your hindu stupid god monkey.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Charlotte

      What an ignorant, bigoted, pigheaded response. It's people like you, "Observing" who do not deserve to be living in America.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • ME II

      Teach your Christians to honor women, then talk. Baptists believe women should submit to their husbands, Mormons, Catholics don't allow women priests, etc.
      Not that that makes anything right, but if you are claiming Muslims don't treat women right, you may want to look at Christians too.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Observing From a Distance

      Charlotte you are a fool.....read what some of these posts are saying.....I am no bigot far from it It is the so-called religion I have a problem with....do you not realize that you are an infidel...you are unclean and you must perish in the eyes of Islam...grab a brain or a burka like the guy says sharia law is coming to America and if you think Romney and Ryan bad wait till you see this horros show in action

      October 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Ganesh

      Trust a Pakistani to show up in this forum to insult a 3rd religion. No other country even bothers about Hindus. What peace are you guys talking about? In last 60+ years you committed genocide on 20 % HIndus and reduced them to 2%. Now since they are not easily available, you have started slitting each other's throats. Do you even read newspapers?

      October 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Guest

      You are ignorant sir!

      October 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  12. Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

    Time for Muslim's of America to claim, what has always been their, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, founded on rock of truth absolute Allah, the GOD and rejection of hinduism, corruption of truth absolute labeled as religion's, to deny truth absolute, Allah, The Lord and THE God of universe, DO JIHAD, STRUGGLE TO BRING PEACE, ISLAM IN AMERICA AND AROUND THE GLOBE BY ANY MEANS, WAY OF TRUTH ABSOLUTE, ALLAH. WHAT, A MUSLIM IS COMMANDED TO, eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute from face of earth along with hidnu Judaism, filthy secularism, atheism, cause of mayhem on earth. for more visit limitisthetruth.com to learn methods of hindu Jew's, criminal self centered and preachers of hindu pig ism, filthy Atheism to impose hinduism, racism by dividing humanity in hinduism, corruption of truth absolute called religions.

    October 25, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Pickle juice is just another name for cuc.u.mber pickle-ism, dill weed ism, sour tart of back yard garden, old cuc.u.mbers with another pickled lid mason jar, feed humanity based on how many jars-ism of pri.ckly beef steak ism 180 tomatoes, okra, tomatoes too absolute american dill pickles in support of American bar food ism.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu, ignornt.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Ganesh

      Yo Paki, go back to your Paki caves and do what you do best...play with camels.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
  13. No Religion

    Be free like me.

    October 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      But not free from truth absolute, Allah, LORD AND GOD of universe, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS POWER TO DO IT..

      October 25, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • No Religion

      One does not need power to be free.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Bobpitt

      I am with you... religion is for the ignorant, the weak, who would ever need an imaginary friend to find peace and security.. I certainly don’t..

      October 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • nunya

      @Bobpitt & No Religion:

      Religious doctrine (Judeo-Christian) states that Man was created with Free Will. (Did you note the 'Free' portion?)

      As for imaginary friends go.... you might be happy in your little world. After all, "Ignorance is Bliss" ..... take a look @ the inconceivable odds of intelligent life forming [anywhere] in this universe. The odds of a planet forming in the Goldy-Locks zone of a star is quite remote. When you look @ the creation of the solar system, you realize there were hundreds of "proto-planetoids" that smashed into each other, such that stable orbits were attained. Then there's the composition of earth's crust, the existence of the moon (shielding us from a number of bombardments), Jupiter and Saturn (shielding us from waaay many more bombardments), 'correct' amount of water for the earth's diameter (i.e. there are oceans and there is land).

      Now on to some more remote odds: Heard of Iceball-Earth? The whole world was covered in an ice sheet a good many million years ago (don't remember exactly – predates dinosaurs by a few hundred million years). Life had formed by then, but was estimated to have dwindled down to 90% of what had existed before. That 10% survived because it 'developed a new trick' that allowed more complex forms of life (above and beyond single-celled organisms that existed prior to these new organisms) ... fast forward over a ton of evolution and celestial and geologic history... Dinosaurs go bye-bye due to a huge meteor. Mammals can now thrive and grow bigger. Throw in a good number of Ice Ages (not complete planet coverings) for good measure. Then think about the Great Rift Valley in Africa and how its formation lead to the evolution of Man (proto-humanoids). Also think about the Mediterranean Sea and how its formation lead to the societal development of Man... etc etc etc ...... those are REALLY LONG ODDS ..... makes the rest of us wonder whether there's something more going on than trivial randomness. I'd never play the Lottery on those odds – no one would. Even when you toss in the IMMENSE size, scale, and scope of the existence of the universe... there aren't likely to be too many intelligent life forms out there...

      And so, we arrive at a validation for the existence of God. No, it's not a proof, but calling people absurd for thinking he/she/it might exist only demonstrates a very small mind and an extremely narrow view on the world, universe, and Existence in general (ours and all life on earth and [possibly] beyond)

      So please think before posting such stupid and useless comments. The only things you've demonstrated you're "free" of are comprehension and understanding.


      October 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      you talk about low probabilities but neglect the enormous time periods involved.

      60 million years is a long time for mammals to evolve into proto-humans.

      Humans don't arrive in Europe until 45 thousand years ago. The last ice age ends 10,000 years ago. Recorded history only starts ~4,700 years ago.

      Low probabilies do not 'validate' either the need for or the existence of a creator. Feel free to believe in one, but because of your faith, not what you present as evidence.

      October 25, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  14. Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.


    hinduism, absurdity of a hindu, ignorant, truth absolute, Allah constant have always ruled the world and will always will rule the world, commandments are about to bring truth absolute in human life to have peace, Islam on earth by imposition of truth absolute, essence of existence of every one and every thing in existence, it is noble for every human to do jihad, struggle to follow truth absolute by any means, to get rid of hinduism, criminality from face of earth. Only a hindu criminal in following of hindu Judaism, filthy secular ism, self center ism can have problem with commandments, NONE OTHER. TO LEARN HINDUISM, CRIMINALITY OF hINDU Jew's CRIMINAL SECULAR, SELF CENTERED, VISIT limitisthetruth.com

    October 25, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Word Puke is based on Latin absurd word Puki, Pe or Pa, Te, or Ta, meaning from stomach ism 180 and throat base word for Sick in English, Upchuck, blowing chunks or spewing ism, meaning, worshiping at the porcelain throne or a sweaty, infection of puke absolute ism, such as flu, or Food poisoning, in disregard diarrhea or Montezuma’s revenge ism , One who takes a s.h.i.t to be in violation of his body without his consent, considering himself to be dying, the truth you drank too much tequila ism 180, same as in barfing, denier it doesn’t work, word projectile abused vomiting is based on Latin word vomi, icky, smelly, horrible, icky, to be in a pool of sick and HeavenSent, to be dumber than the fluids leaking from your absurd ravished body ism to both of them, watery eyes, a noun in missing work, puke in your nose, way of making absurd filthy you even sicker, as in word “ralph”, a self-violating or a ja.panese p.o.r.n.o, otherwise known as a freak, a sadist. Puking is not an accident but a way to clear the crud ism 180 from your mutilated digestive system, defiance to the Lysol and filthy towels you will use ism absurd 180 filthy ism.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Reality


      • Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

      • "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      • Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      • Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      • Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

      • The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      • Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".


      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:


      October 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu's laires, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Best of hinduism, absurdity a hindu,copy cant can think of, like his hindu, stupid god monkey.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Muslim Guest

      You are full of hate saying those hateful words about Hindus, so as a fellow Muslim to an ignorant one: please shut up!

      October 25, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  15. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    October 25, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  16. Reality

    Why one should never vote for a Muslim:

    o On the koranic passages and world domination:
    "Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

    Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

    Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

    Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

    Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like

    a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.

    In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

    Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.

    Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

    A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

    Don Richardson

    October 25, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Reality

      More reasons why one should never vote for a Muslim:

      http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/005.asp et al

      o "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
      "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

      "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

      "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

      "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

      "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

      "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

      "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

      "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

      "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

      "'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

      "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

      "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

      "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

      "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)

      October 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Charlotte

      "Reality" is a dumwad!!!

      October 25, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  17. William Demuth

    The pursuit of power requires a threat for those who don't amicably comply.

    The Muslims would be wee served to stay off the political radar for as long as possible here in the states.

    Because Hindu's play a critical role in many corporate enviorments (think IT for those who don't know) they have a MUCH greater sphere of influence.

    If the two groups clash in a pursuit of power, I suspect the weight of the Hindu's added to that of the Jews and the Fundies will simply leave most of the Muslim world encased in glowing green glass for 25,000 years.

    October 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  18. William Demuth

    Engage politically?

    Since when has that ever helped anyone who did not "engage militarily" at the same time?

    Politics is just war by less violent means.

    October 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      "just war", or merely war?

      The original in variable translations:

      "War is merely the continuation of politics by other means"
      "War Is Merely the Continuation of Policy by Other Means" – Carl von Clausewitz

      October 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Ah, I see my inner Claus is showing again!

      October 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  19. Meatwad

    I looked outside myself and all I saw were my imaginary dolls.

    October 25, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  20. Reality







    UNTIL THEN, NO MUSLIM CAN BE TRUSTED ANYTIME OR ANYWHERE..................................

    October 18, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • Primewonk

      Do you also demand that all the comparible verses from the bible be removed?

      October 18, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • krussell

      Those attacks actually happened because of our policies in their part of the world.
      Religion was just tool to rally the 'troops'.

      October 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Tre

      hey, krussell, what do you mean our 'policies"? What policies would mitigate ourr being terror attacked?

      October 25, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • TC

      Aren't there a a lot violent passages/rules in the Bible? Does this mean that no Christian can ever be trusted, anywhere?


      Just how is one supposed to get the eBible re-written? Would getting the Koran re-written be any easier? How would one go about that?

      October 25, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Muhammud

      What a knob. Like the biible hasn't been re-written countless times. The Koran, however, is perfect just as it is.

      October 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      If by perfect you mean full of poop, we're in perfect agreed.

      October 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Reality

      So this thread is being recycled. Note the date and time differences.

      October 25, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      the final "Mittens buying Franklin Graham and the BGEA" thread was on the 18th. Nothing else got noticed that day.

      October 25, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Reality

      Conservative Jews in the USA have rewritten the Torah to reflect the myths therein basically making it a doc-ument of peace.

      Thomas Jefferson did an a-nalogous rewrite of the NT. Ditto for the rewrite of the NT by the Jesus Seminarians, Professor JD Crossan in his over 20 books on the historical Jesus and related subjects and Professor Gerd Ludeman in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 694-695.

      October 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Reality

      October 18, 2012 at 11:46 am | Report abuse | Reply

      This morning CNN ran the following on this blog:

      "My Take: Muslims must engage politically, look outside themselves
      Editor's Note: Imam Khalid Latif is a chaplain for New York University and executive director of the school's Islamic Center.

      By Khalid Latif, Special to CNN My wife and I were on our way into Bed, Bath and Beyond in late August when I decided to check...

      About 15 minutes later the topic disappeared along with my comments noted below:







      UNTIL THEN, NO MUSLIM CAN BE TRUSTED ANYTIME OR ANYWHERE..................................

      Is CNN also censoring topics and commentaries????

      October 25, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Charlotte

      Sounds an awful lot like what the God from the Bible dictates. Killing, death to nonbelivers, yadda yadda. Christians 5Uck. In fact, adherence to any religion is a good indication of brainless gullibility.

      October 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
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