In Obama’s first term, an evolving Christian faith and a more evangelical style
President Obama speaking from the pulpit of a Washington church in 2010.
October 27th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

In Obama’s first term, an evolving Christian faith and a more evangelical style

Editor's note: This is the last in a series about the faith lives of the presidential candidates, which includes a profile of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – President Obama’s prayers for a strong first debate may not have been answered, but that doesn’t mean the prayers weren’t happening.

Before he stepped onto a Colorado stage earlier this month to face off with Mitt Romney for the first time, Obama joined a conference call with a small circle of Christian ministers.

“The focus of that prayer was, ‘Oh, Lord, you know precisely what the president needs to say,'” says Kirbyjon Caldwell, a Methodist megachurch pastor from Texas who helped lead the call. “'You know what this country needs during the next four years.’”

“'And so I would pray that your primary will and words that you want the president to say will fall from his lips,'” Caldwell goes on, recalling his prayer.

Obama, for his part, was mostly silent.

“There’s a profound and genuine humility in the presence of Christ himself,” Caldwell says, describing the president on such calls. “I think he recognizes it as a holy moment.”

It was the second time Caldwell and Obama had prayed by phone in as many months. The two had connected in August on a prayer call Obama has hosted on his birthday every year since coming to the White House.

Welcome to the intense, out-of-the-box and widely misunderstood religious life of President Barack Obama.

Though he famously left his controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the year he was elected to the presidency, a handful of spiritual advisers close to Obama say that his time in office has significantly deepened his faith.

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Stephen Mansfield, a former Christian pastor who wrote the book “The Faith of Barack Obama,” goes so far to say that Obama has experienced a spiritual transformation.

“I think we do have at heart a new man, so to speak,” says Mansfield, who worked closely with the White House and with some Obama religious advisers on his book. “He has undergone a pretty significant personal religious change in his first term.”

Methodist minister Kibyjon Caldwell, right, has grown close to President Obama after serving as a spiritual counselor to President George W. Bush. Here, Caldwell and Bush share a stage in 2003.

Obama’s faith advisers say Mansfield goes a step too far, though they acknowledge that when it comes to his faith, Obama has changed.

“There is a deepening development in his relationship with God,” says Joel Hunter, a Florida-based pastor who has been in touch with Obama nearly every week since he took office. “He chooses to stay faithful in daily habits of study and prayer and consistent times of interchange with spiritual leaders.”

“I am not sure he did that before he came to the presidency.”

Whether or not Obama has been spiritually “reborn” in the evangelical sense, his spiritual counselors say the president’s faith has helped shape his first term in ways that haven’t been appreciated by voters or the news media.

And they say the presidency is bringing Obama to a new place in his faith - building on a system of belief and practice that helped bring him to the White House in the first place.

Talking like Billy Graham

These days, when the president talks about his faith, he sounds like a born-again Christian.

Addressing the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington this year, Obama recalled meeting the nation’s most iconic evangelical Christian, Billy Graham, and described his struggle to find the right words as he prayed aloud with the aging evangelist.

“Like that verse in Romans, the Holy Spirit interceded when I didn’t know quite what to say,” Obama told the gathering, invoking the New Testament.

It was hardly the only part of the speech where Obama was speaking “Christianese” – employing a lexicon familiar to evangelical Christians, who put a premium on quoting Scripture and communing directly with the Holy Spirit.

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At the same breakfast, Obama spoke of spending time every morning in “Scripture and devotion” and dropped the names of “friends like Joel Hunter or T.D. Jakes,” both well-known pastors of evangelical megachurches.

“He was talking like Billy Graham” at the breakfast, says Mansfield, who also wrote an admiring spiritual biography of former President George W. Bush.

Even in the more secular setting of the Democratic National Convention, Obama hinted at an intense White House prayer life, along with his need for God’s grace.

Some say President Obama sounds like an evangelical when he speaks about his religion, echoing the famous evangelist Billy Graham. The two men met at Graham's mountaintop home in North Carolina home in 2010.

“While I'm proud of what we've achieved together, I'm far more mindful of my own failings,” Obama said in his acceptance speech, “knowing exactly what Lincoln meant when he said, ‘I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that I had no place else to go.’"

Such pious talk marks a departure from how the president discussed his faith life before his White House years.

Back then, Obama cited his religion more as a basis for social action than for spiritual sustenance. He would temper declarations of belief with affirmations of doubt.

Asked in a 2004 interview whether he prayed often, Obama, then a candidate for U.S. Senate in Illinois, responded: “Uh, yeah, I guess I do.”

In a 2007 interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, Obama voiced skepticism about Scripture.

“There are aspects of the Christian tradition that I’m comfortable with and aspects that I’m not,” he said. “There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go ‘Ya know, I’m not sure about that.’”

These days, Obama forgoes such equivocations in favor of a full-throated Christianity.

To Mansfield, the evolution of Obama’s comments on religion bespeak a born-again experience, prompted largely by the president’s break with Wright and his arrival into a circle of spiritual counselors that includes many evangelicals.

The White House declined requests to speak to Obama.

But Hunter, the president’s closest spiritual counselor, says Obama has technically been a born-again Christian for more than 25 years, since accepting Jesus at Wright’s Chicago church in the 1980s.

But it's in the last four years that the president has become more evangelical in his habits.

He now begins each morning reading Christian devotionals on his Blackberry.

And then there’s the circle of pastors Obama has begun praying with before big events like the first presidential debate.

A circle of evangelicals

After landing in Washington following his 2008 election, Obama shopped around for a new church. But he wound up making his spiritual home instead among a circle of far-flung pastors that includes Hunter, Jakes and Caldwell, the minister from Texas.

Conference calls with the group started while Obama was still a presidential candidate, including on the night of his 2008 victory. The president-elect spoke by phone with Hunter and other Christian ministers, rejoicing in victory but also grieving the death of his grandmother, who helped raise him, just a few days earlier.

The migration from Wright – who almost brought down Obama’s campaign with videos that showed him sermonizing about “God damn America” and “the U.S. of KKK A” – to this new group, says Mansfield, has been underappreciated.

“[Obama] went into the Oval Office … questioning the only pastor he’d ever had,” Mansfield says. “Wright left him humiliated.”

“And there were deeper questions about the theology that [Obama] had received,” Mansfield continues. “Some part of Wright’s religious orientation had failed.”

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Where Wright is a liberal mainline Protestant, emphasizing liberation and social action, Obama’s new circle of pastors includes theologically conservative evangelicals like Hunter and Jakes, who stress God’s grace and personal transformation.

Mansfield notes that the chaplain who has presided for the last few years at Camp David, where Obama spends many Sundays, is also an evangelical.

Some of Obama’s spiritual counselors credit Joshua DuBois, executive director of the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships, with leading Obama to a more evangelical-flavored Christianity. Caldwell calls him the president’s personal pastor.

A former associate pastor at a Pentecostal church in Boston, DuBois is the one responsible for sending Obama Scriptures and scriptural meditations five days a week; Hunter does it on the other two days.

The evangelical pastor Joel Hunter, center, and White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships Executive Director Joshua DuBois, right, are the President’s closest religious counselors. Here they are in February.

DuBois convenes a daily 8:15 a.m. conference call with pastors to pray for the country and the president, who is not on the call. (Lately, those calls have also included prayers for Mitt Romney.)

And it’s DuBois who organized the president’s circle of spiritual advisers. After graduate school at Princeton, DuBois talked his way onto Obama’s staff at the U.S. Senate, repeatedly driving to Washington to make his case after job applications were rejected.

When Obama launched his presidential campaign a few years later, DuBois was plucked as its faith outreach director.

The 30-year-old White House aide plays down his influence on his boss.

“He has always been on a Christian journey,” DuBois says of Obama, “and the challenges of the office, of being leader of the free world, provides a deepening and strengthening of faith, and that’s what you see with the president.”

“I remember working with him around the Scripture he would use at the memorial service for the miners in West Virginia,” DuBois says, referring to the 2010 tragedy that left 29 dead. “These are obviously moments when one's faith is strengthened.”

The unparalleled trials of the Oval Office have been known to deepen the religiosity of presidents ranging from Abraham Lincoln to Ronald Reagan.

Hunter says the same thing has happened to this president: “His faith has been growing as the challenges of the presidency have become more naturally the main part of his own everyday life.”

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One of Hunter’s first Oval Office encounters with Obama came shortly after the president took office, at a time when the economy was shedding 750,000 jobs a month.

“He acknowledged at that meeting what many may know but few remember: that by the time issues get to the president, there are no simple or clear answers or they would have been solved by others,” Hunter says. “So we prayed.”

A few months later, Hunter was in the Oval Office again, noticing that “the unremitting heaviness of the office was setting in.”

“I saw something that has been consistent ever since: He cannot just pray for himself and his family,” Hunter says by e-mail. “At least I have never seen it. His faith, his heart, always includes those who are being left out through no fault of their own.”

Despite the changes they’ve seen in Obama, both Hunter and DuBois are uncomfortable with the word “transformation” when it comes to Obama’s White House faith life.

“The president doesn’t deal in labels,” says DuBois. “He knows God’s grace is sufficient for him and beyond that doesn’t get into labels, evangelical or mainline. He’s a proud Christian.”

Loving God by loving your neighbor

When the Rev. Sharon Watkins and a group of fellow Protestant ministers sat down with Obama at the White House a couple years into the president’s term, she knew the pastors would get wonky about religion.

“You get a bunch of ministers in the room and we’re all church geeks – it’s theological,” says Watkins, who along with the other pastors had come to talk about poverty. “But the president got every biblical allusion and reference. … He’s just a person who is biblically and theologically literate.”

If Obama’s personal theology has grown more conservative, he is inclined to apply it toward liberal political ends.

“I’d be remiss if my values were limited to personal moments of prayer or private conversations with pastors or friends,” Obama said at the National Prayer Breakfast in February. “So instead, I must try - imperfectly, but I must try - to make sure those values motivate me as one leader of this great nation.”

In signing laws that have increased Wall Street regulations and stopped health insurance companies from rejecting patients with preexisting conditions, Obama said at the breakfast, he wanted to “make the economy stronger for everybody.”

“But I also do it because I know that far too many neighbors in our country have been hurt and treated unfairly over the last few years,” he continued. “And I believe in God’s command to ‘love thy neighbor as thyself.’”

Obama and first lady Michelle Obama and their daughters Malia and Sasha leave church after attending a Sunday prayer service.

Obama went on to frame decisions as disparate as ending tax breaks for the wealthy and defending foreign aid as examples of biblical principles in action, quoting Jesus’ teaching that “for unto whom much is given, much shall be required” and invoking the “biblical call to care for the least of these.”

That last biblical reference also loomed large in another 2011 White House meeting between Obama and a group of religious leaders. They’d come to urge the president to protect programs for the poor amid his fight with Congress over raising the nation’s debt ceiling.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, a progressive activist, recalls the meeting:

In pressing Obama to take cuts to those programs off the table, one Roman Catholic bishop told the president that “the text that we are obliged to obey does not say ‘as you have done to the middle class you have done to me.’”

“It says as you’ve done to the least of these, you have done to me,” the bishop said.
“I know that text,” Obama responded. The passage is from the Matthew 25 in the New Testament.

“So there was this very rigorous conversation,” Wallis says, “and we pressed him on applying Matthew 25 to this decision about protecting those who were the least of these.”

Ultimately, the programs that the religious leaders were lobbying for were protected in the debt ceiling deal, though it’s unclear how big a role the religious leaders played.

For liberal Christians, such victories embody the justice of the social gospel, the idea that believers should do God’s work – even aid the Second Coming - by improving society.

“I do notice that sometimes, like on health care, when [Obama] says it’s the right thing to do, it’s him saying you love God by loving your neighbor,” says Watkins, who leads a mainline denomination called Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). “He’s doing the best he can to be guided by God so he can be a faithful follower of Christ.”

Skeptics might write off Obama’s Bible talk as sanctimonious window dressing, aimed at no higher purpose than connecting with churchgoers in the purple and red states. But translating the Good Book into progressive politics has always been a mainstay of Obama’s political biography.

‘An awesome God in the blue states’

When Obama landed on Chicago’s South Side in 1985 as an idealistic 23-year-old, eager to start work as a community organizer, he was already a political liberal.

He was also a man without a religion, the son of a spiritual-but-not-religious mother whom he would later describe as “a lonely witness for secular humanism” and an estranged African father who was born a Muslim but died an atheist.

Obama’s work in Chicago, built around causes like tenants’ rights and job training for laid-off workers, was steeped in religion.

His salary was paid by a coalition of churches. And the job took him into many black churches, among the most influential institutions in the neighborhood he was organizing, including Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ.

After a lifelong struggle to fit in, set in motion by his mixed-race parents, Trinity felt like home.

“I came to realize that without a vessel for beliefs, without an unequivocal commitment to a particular community of faith,” he wrote later, “I would be consigned at some level to always remain apart.”

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who brought Obama to Christianity, ignited controversy that almost brought down Obama's 2008 presidential campaign.

The changes that Wright’s church wrought weren’t just personal. Baptism and active membership there equipped Obama with an ability to connect with churchgoers he was trying to organize – and, years later, with religious voters he was trying to win over – in a deeper way.

Wright, who did not respond to interview requests for this story, gave Obama a moral framework for his liberal politics. The pastor espoused a black liberation theology that equates Jesus’ life and death with the plight of those who Wright saw as disenfranchised, from African-Americans to Palestinians.

“Wright is the religious version of almost everything Obama already believed without religion,” says Mansfield, who spent time at Trinity for his book. “It’s a support of oppressed people anywhere in the world.”

When Obama emerged on the national stage, his comfortable religiosity and sensitivity to the concerns of churchgoing Americans helped distinguish him as a Democrat.

“We worship an awesome God in the blue states,” he declared to huge applause in his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, catching the attention of young Christians like Joshua DuBois.

But at that same convention, Obama’s party nominated John Kerry, a candidate who eschewed God talk and who lost his own Catholic demographic on Election Day.

Four years later, Obama hired religious outreach staffers like DuBois for his presidential campaign and made a point of meeting with Christian Right leaders who’d never before heard from a Democratic presidential nominee.

Obama went on to win in places like Indiana and North Carolina, evangelical-heavy states that a Democratic presidential nominee hadn’t taken in decades.

If the Rev. Wright had almost brought down his presidential campaign, the controversial minister had also long ago laid the groundwork for Obama to connect with the churchgoing voters who had turned their backs on Kerry.

The politics of confusion

As president, the line between Obama’s personal convictions and his political prowess on religious matters can sometimes be hard to discern.

Obama invited the conservative evangelical megapastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his 2009 inauguration, ruffling liberal feathers. He introduced an annual Easter prayer breakfast as a new White House tradition. He gives shout-outs to young evangelical leaders in major speeches.

Obama asked evangelical pastor Rick Warren to pray at his inauguration, riling some of the president's liberal supporters.

All can be seen as genuine reflections of Obama’s faith and his appreciation for the role of religious leaders in public life. And in a nation where more people believe in angels than in evolution - a fact that the president himself has publicly noted - all promise political benefits.

The same could be said for Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, and for presidents as diverse as Jimmy Carter and Reagan: All had deep spiritual streaks that enabled the political art of courting religious Americans, especially evangelicals.

The irony, in Obama’s case, is that despite his orthodox utterances - there’s “something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective,” he said at this year's Easter breakfast - polls continue to show widespread confusion about his faith.

Only half the country can correctly identify Obama as Christian, according to one recent Pew poll, while 17% falsely believe he is a Muslim.

“He’s a Christian and he professes his Christian faith - I don’t know what else this man has to do to get that into folks’ ears,” says Caldwell, who was also close to George W. Bush.

President Obama at the 2011 White House Easter prayer breakfast, an annual tradition that he started.

But Obama’s public piety has helped him bond with young evangelical leaders, who are less tied to the GOP than their parents’ generation.

“I was struck by the specificity of what he described in terms of theology and what it means to him,” says Gabe Lyons, one such leader, describing a White House Easter breakfast he attended. “His message is very specific and very orthodox.”

Where exactly that new orthodoxy comes from – the pressures of the White House, a new circle of religious advisers or, to a certain degree, from political calculation – may become clearer after Obama's presidency, if he opens up about such matters.

Until then, the president is likely to keep speaking "Christianese" - and resisting Christian labels.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Politics

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  5. JohnK

    People if you believe that Obama is an Evangelical Christian, or even a plain every day Christian, you need to look up the work Taqiyah. This is just an act to try to suck in undecided Christian voters. Obama is a much better Muslim than he is a Christian...

    October 29, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • JamieL

      You probably wouldn't count JFK as a "Christian" either. What Muslimy things have you seen Obama do, exactly?

      October 29, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Ting

      ' This is just an act to try to suck in undecided Christian voters.'

      This is the norm for most politicians.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:46 am |
    • sam stone

      In what sense, JohnK? Do you feel he is too socially liberal? If so, liberal social policies are not normally the province of Islam

      October 30, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • sam stone

      JohnK: Taqiyah is a cap worn on the heads of muslim men. How does this equate to anything politically?

      "This is just an act to try to suck in undecided Christian voters"

      As opposed to Mittens making all lovey dovey with Billy Boy Graham and his son?

      October 30, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • was blind, but now I see

      @sam stone "In what sense, JohnK? Do you feel he is too socially liberal? If so, liberal social policies are not normally the province of Islam"

      It's called a "common enemy". It's the Anti-Christ spirit. They hate Christians more than they hate each other. Of course, once they (so they think) eliminate the (real) Christians, they will turn on each other, but what do you expect from a bunch of followers of fallen angels?

      October 30, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Paul

      "They hate Christians more than they hate each other. Of course, once they (so they think) eliminate the (real) Christians, they will turn on each other, but what do you expect from a bunch of followers of fallen angels?"

      LMAO Dude you're lying which means you don't even get the bible. Oh an please prove to us angels exist. LOL!

      October 30, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • was blind, but now I see


      Instead of simply telling me that I don't get something, maybe you could actually add something to the discussion and educate me???

      October 30, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • sam stone

      Oooh, the "anti-christ spirit"......thanks for clearing that up, Still Blind

      How many voices DO you have in your head?

      October 30, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      was blind: Who hates Christians more than they hate each other?

      October 30, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      "what do you expect from a bunch of followers of fallen angels?"

      same thing i expect from the followers of any invisible being....delusion

      October 30, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      @sam stone "How many voices DO you have in your head?"

      Just one. The one that you insist doesn't exit, Still Stoned!

      October 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "cristopher hitchens" degenerates to:
      "was blind, but now I see" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
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      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian. .

      October 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      @sam stone "Who hates Christians more than they hate each other?"

      The one that drives you uncontrollably to respond to me, that's who!

      October 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • The Truth

      "The one that you insist doesn't exit"

      Yes, it does seem like your God just doesn't exit... you never let him go home. When your playing a silly game with a bat and ball you bring him out, you thank him when you move a pig skin across a line, you stamp his name on my currency, you tell my children about him in our public schools, you trot him out like a prized pig at a fair anytime something good or bad or even mediocre happens, and even when you stub your toe. I believe it is time for him to, in the words of Snagglep.uss "Exit stage Left!!!..."

      October 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      Be careful what you ask for, TT.

      October 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Just one. The one that you insist doesn't exit, Still Stoned!"

      The one that doesn't exit? So, it's always there, D-bag?

      November 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      still blind: i am in control. i just think you are a diseased gash

      November 1, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      The one that you insist does not exist.

      You think you are in control? Of what? Me? Hardly. You are not even in control of your self. You could be if you would ask Jesus to set you free from your tormenter. Until then, naw..... Sorry!

      November 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
  6. GOD

    Do you really think i would create a religion that says be fruitful and multiply on a planet with finite resources, and make you hate science which is the only way to get off your rock ?


    October 29, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • JohnK

      But we evolved from Apes what do you expect from us! We are nothing but stupid animals!

      October 29, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • JamieL

      Only creationists ever talk about evolving from apes, scientists never do. It's like this; protestants evolved from Catholics, not from Baptists. Try to educate yourself with the actual theory before criticizing it. You're only embarrassing yourself.

      October 29, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • Primewonk

      John, I guess I'm confused now – maybe someone like you, who obviously understands science so well, can help me out. In Junior High, I was taught that humans are apes. In High Schol I was taught that humans are apes. In undergrad I was taught that humans are apes. In grad schol I was taught that humans are apes.

      Have teachers and professors been lying to me since the eearly 70's? After all, if we come from apes, we can't be apes.

      October 30, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  7. Anybody know how to read?

    Nuthin' worse than uppity PUblic Servants.

    October 29, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • bob

      I want to know why do you post all day ? are you a nut or part of some cult like a jesus camp or something ?

      October 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      bob, Athena won't carry a grudge. Take 2 aspirins and check the posts in the AM.

      October 29, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
  8. Vic

    Mitt wants to do away with FEMA

    October 29, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • JohnK

      Obama wants to get rid of Freedom, and the US...

      October 29, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Hamm

      I'm betting his old pal Chris Christie isn't wishing that FEMA goes away right now.

      October 29, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      obama wants to get rid of freedom? based on what?

      October 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      @sam stone

      obama wants to get rid of freedom? based on what?

      How about forcing people to buy health insurance?
      How about forcing people to pay for other people's contraception?
      How about redistribution from one person to another?
      How about taxing the industries that he does like (or that didn't contribute to his campaign) and then bailing out those who did/do contribute?
      How about...........
      Need more????????

      November 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
  9. Anybody know how to read?

    'Gen 25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright.'...................Christians despise their own born again birthright when they make something special of the so-called jews. That ain't gonna work out so hot.

    October 29, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      In wizard of oz the wizard gave the tiger courage and the tin man a heart.

      see i can post fantasy fiction to

      October 29, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • mama k

      Anybody thats it, we are breaking up i had enough of your crazy bible passages and stories

      read a new book please and take your meds

      October 29, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Troll Alert

      I wonder if this guy thinks hes spreading the word of the lord or some crackpot idea

      GET A JOB mr Anybody posting IGNORANCE all day is not a job. its EVIL

      if anything your making people think less about religion so ironic

      October 29, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      There's no friggin' tiger in the Wizard of Oz, you stupid azz.

      October 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • mama k (the real one)

      I suppose I should be annoyed at someone borrowing my handle, but oddly, I am more annoyed at a misrepresentation of one of my favorite movies. lol

      October 29, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • bob

      IM beginning to think these bible thumpers are some cult and they spend all day posting thier rubbish

      October 29, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • GOD

      Knowing all things, i know he said tiger on purpose to show you how religion is corrupted, sorry for not giving some of you enough brains.

      October 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • JohnK

      LOL, Jacob and Esau... Wrong comparison. Try Isaac and Ishmael. You know Isaac was the child of promise from God and became Israel. Ishmael was from Abraham's fling with his slave girl, and became the father of Islam...

      October 29, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I love it when some fundiot nutters call other fundiot nutters nuts

      October 30, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  10. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:


    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does Obama and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    October 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      Mikey Jackson to Wizbutt Taylor, 'I know you're sweet on me Liz, but I like little boyz. They can't fake it like you can.'

      October 29, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Why do i talk to myself under all these names

      October 29, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  11. Anybody know how to read?

    Ask your jewish pals about the bill of divorcement.

    October 29, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  12. Rummy Pirate Times

    Marc Wolpow, a former Bain partner who worked with Romney on many deals, said the discussion at buyout companies typically does not focus on whether jobs will be created. “It’s the opposite—what jobs we can cut,” Wolpow said. “Because you had to document how you were going to create value. Eliminating redundancy, or the elimination of people, is a very valid way."

    October 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  13. Rummy Pirate Times

    For 15 years, Romney had been in the business of creative destruction and wealth creation. But what about his claims of job creation? Though Bain Capital surely helped expand some companies that had created jobs, the layoffs and closures at other firms would lead Romney’s political opponents to say that he had amassed a fortune in part by putting people out of work. The lucrative deals that made Romney wealthy could exact a cost. Maximizing financial return to investors could mean slashing jobs, closing plants, and moving production overseas. It could also mean clashing with union workers, serving on the board of a company that ran afoul of federal laws, and loading up already struggling companies with debt.

    October 29, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Obama's job history

      Funny Obama has never even had a private sector job!

      When you accomplish nothing like his first term you can't point out much now can you!

      October 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Obama's job history

      Obama created as many jobs in his private life as he did as President. ZERO

      October 29, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • Vic

      @Obama's Job History. You only have one answer for everything. Try using both sides of your brain. Oh, and by the way Jeep is not moving to China. They are building a new plant here which will employ more people and because it is a popular vehicle they are also building a plant in China. Chrysler has tried to get Mitt Romney to tell the truth but he is so desperate for votes that his lies continue. He has no idea how to tell the truth. You are all brain washed by Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck that you wouldn't know the truth if you fell over it.

      October 30, 2012 at 9:13 am |
  14. Rummy Pirate Times

    In 1994, Bain invested $27 million as part of a deal with other firms to acquire Dade International, a medical-diagnostics-equipment firm, from its parent company, Baxter International. Bain ultimately made nearly 10 times its money, getting back $230 million. But Dade wound up laying off more than 1,600 people and filed for bankruptcy protection in 2002, amid crushing debt and rising interest rates. The company, with Bain in charge, had borrowed heavily to do acquisitions, accumulating $1.6 billion in debt by 2000. The company cut benefits for some workers at the acquired firms and laid off others. When it merged with Behring Diagnostics, a German company, Dade shut down three U.S. plants. At the same time, Dade paid out $421 million to Bain Capital’s investors and investing partners.

    October 29, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  15. Anybody know how to read?

    The deal with mormons is bloodlines of Israel. They cover up the little matter of DIVORCE. They might just as well be Dispensationalists.

    October 29, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  16. Rummy Pirate Times

    Bain closed GST Steel plant in 2001 laying off 750 workers.

    October 29, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Vic

      And Sensata now. 170 workers will be unemployed. Mitt makes money every time they do this.

      October 30, 2012 at 9:16 am |
  17. Rummy Pirate Times

    Southern Illinois:

    Controlling share owner Bain Capital closes BRP plant so the 340 jobs there could be outsourced to Mexico.

    October 29, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  18. Anybody know how to read?

    Hallilulia Praise the lord. im gonna light me some candles now wait they are LED light how does that work with GOD
    and its now 50 cents to light an LED light

    October 29, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  19. georgeLucas

    Darth Vader: " You are part of the rebel allience and a trator !"

    quoting fiction means nothing.

    October 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I wonder if the Kolob system is part of the Empire

      October 29, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
  20. Anybody know how to read?

    Americult, you once were a republic but that wasn't good enuff fer the progressives so have fun with the banana. 'Dan 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.'

    October 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Yoda

      Are you crazy is that your problem ?

      October 29, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      C'mon yoda, base is your favorite.

      October 29, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
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