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My Take: God not in whirlwinds of Sandy, presidential race
A NASA image of Hurricane Sandy.
October 29th, 2012
01:33 PM ET

My Take: God not in whirlwinds of Sandy, presidential race

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define a Nation," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

I am riding out Sandy on Cape Cod and wondering whether this, too, is God’s will.

As this storm has carved its path through the Caribbean and up the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, it has taken 67 lives and (so far) spared the rest of us. Was it the will of the Almighty that so many should perish?

Is God angry with Cuba, where 11 died last week? More angry with Haiti, where 51 perished? Relatively unperturbed with Jamaica, where the death toll was only two? If a tree falls on my house today, will that be an Act of God, too?

There has been a lot of talk lately about what is and what isn’t willed by Providence, thanks to Richard Mourdock, the Indiana Republican and U.S. Senate candidate who said last week, “I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen.”

Whether “it” in this sentence refers to rape or to conception, it assumes that God is both busy and capricious. Why does God offer the gift of life to some rape victims and not to others? Why does God allow some elections to be close and not others?

One answer, of course, is that God does nothing of the sort. Perhaps there is no God. Or perhaps God is more like the watchmaker divinity of Deism fame who winds up the universe, sets it in motion and then leaves it to its own devices.

In the thought worlds of Indian religions, things operate not by the will of God but in keeping with the laws of karma. So to put it in crudest terms, those who are injured in Sandy somehow have it coming to them, as do victims of rape who find themselves pregnant.

The western religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have argued that God has a hand not only in setting our story in motion but also in seeing it through to the end. So Jews, Christians, and Muslims have had to reckon with the classical problem of “theodicy”: In a world in which God is all powerful and all good, why do bad things happen to good people?

As I wrestle with these questions, I cannot help thinking about how differently my New England forebears interpreted these natural disasters. While we speak of the eye of the hurricane, New England's colonists were ever mindful of the eye of a God who was forever watching over them, and sending storms their way as punishment for their collective sins.

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When the Great Colonial Hurricane raced up the east coast and lashed New England in August 1635, its 130 mph winds and 21-foot storm surge were almost universally viewed in supernatural rather than natural terms — as a judgment of God on the unfaithful.

We still have Puritans among us today, of course.

Televangelist Pat Robertson is notorious for turning natural disasters such as the Haiti earthquake and Hurricane Katrina into supernatural communications — God’s curse on Haiti or New Orleans for bad religion or widespread abortions. And with this “Stormpocalpyse” arriving on the eve of the election, I suspect some will suggest that the rain and the wind are God’s judgment on the leadership of President Obama.

Still, American society as a whole no longer interprets natural disasters as signs of a coming apocalypse or evidence of past misdeeds. When it comes to earthquakes and hurricanes, we tune in to the Weather Channel, not the Christian Broadcasting Network. And we interpret these events not through the rumblings of biblical prophets but through the scientific truths of air pressure and tectonic plates.

As a result of this sort of secular turn, we are much better at predicting the course of hurricanes. The Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635 arrived as a surprise and took many lives with it, including, according to the report of the Massachusetts governor, John Winthrop, those of eight Native Americans taken by the storm surge while “flying from their wigwams.” Sandy is a surprise to no one, thanks to science.

Still, we Americans cannot give up on talk of God’s will. At least according to Newt Gingrich, Mourdock’s foray into rape and theology reflects the position of “virtually every Catholic” in the United States. And if we are to believe the full-page ads taken out  by Billy Graham, God wills the victory of Mitt Romney over Barack Obama.

As for me, I am less sure about what God wills for our storms (political or otherwise). In my view, any God worth worshiping isn’t going to be so predictable, or so capricious.

I don’t think Graham, Mourdock, or Gingrich is speaking on behalf of God. They are speaking on behalf of themselves, on the basis of their own fears and experiences. And they are reading the Bible through their politics, not the other way around.

When it comes to storms like Sandy, I just don't believe in a God who drowns black babies in Haiti yet refuses to drown out the voices of cranky white men who claim so irreverently to speak in His name.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Belief • Billy Graham • Christianity • Church and state • Newt Gingrich • Politics • Science • United States

soundoff (2,188 Responses)
  1. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

    1Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    Who can disagree? You, them or even me?

    Lettuce love.
    Love let us,
    G.O.D.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Athy

      I disagree.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • snowboarder

      wierd

      October 30, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Ban Jesustan

      The Son of Sam is God's building.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

      Who can disagree? You, them or even me?

      October 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  2. DCMoses

    How many JUST DON'T GET IT! Life will never last forever on earth so what does that leave? It's not about what God hasn't done, it's about what we haven't done to get a better idea and put forth a lot more effort. circleofelohim.com

    October 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  3. Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

    Lay it on no body, but the one acted in hinduism illegality, hindu, denier of truth absolute.
    word hindu is based on Latin word hindered, negative, Hun, great, Han, to be in greatness, hin, to be negative to both of them, hindu, a noun in negativity, hinduism, way of negativity.
    Visit limitisthetruth.com to learn about hinduism, criminality of hindu's, criminals to impose hinduism, racism on humanity by hinduism, corruption of truth absolute by force.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  4. JKNBTJKNBT

    has anyone but me noticed that the storm came in 83 years to the day after the crash of 1929?

    also, how come atheists and agnostics blame God when something bad happens, but otherwise, they don't believe in Him?

    down here on the gulf coast, we look on a cat. 1 storm as a chance to get a really nice yard-soaking rain. They don't even cancel high school football games when a cat. 1 storm is coming in. Playing ball in the horizontal rain builds character!

    also we look on a hurricane like this as a really nice way of getting the insurance to put on that badly needed new roof or to finally rebuild that fence on their ticket.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Clues to the clueless

      We don't blame god any more than we blame Sprinkles the Dancing Unicorn. We are pointing out the absurdity of religious beliefs using your own beliefs to do so.

      The obvious point at play here is the claim that God controls all . . . until it is something bad, at which point Christians flip-flop and say God doesn't do it. We are having a nice laugh at your profound hypocrisy, your tangled logic, and your ignorant absurdity.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • JKNBTJKNBT

      hey Clueless–

      why don't you look in your bathroom mirror and laugh at the false god who is looking back at you? He can't save, heal, deliver, or take anyone away to Father God in heaven....

      And be sure to take note of his staggering ARROGANCE....most people realize by the time they are 19 that they don't know everything and really didn't have it all figured out when they were 13.....it looks like you will never figure it out....smell the coffee!

      October 31, 2012 at 6:57 am |
  5. Bob

    This guy sounds like an atheist. He deosn't want to believe in a God who does things he doesn't agree with and apparently doesn't believe in Satan either. He is pretty much as dumb as the televangelists that he's criticizing.

    How about this, blogger boy, we can assume that anything God does, He does in order to inspire us to love and worship Him. Human life and suffering is nothing compared to eternity, and peoples' suffering on earth can be offered up and can help atone for the sins of the rest of the world. God has chosen to generally cede control of the earth and death itself to Satan, except in cases where God wants to throw someone a bone or give them a reason to not turn away from Him. God is not "mean" for allowing the natural order of physical earth and the evil of the Devil to take the lives of innocent people. Without God, we are all already committed to being killed for the crime of being born that we didn't commit. God doesn't make these tragedies happen, but He tries to inspire us to use these tragedies to be better humans and glorify His name.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Dawkins is my homeboy

      God doesn't make anything happen....because god doesn't exist.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • snowboarder

      bob – there is no reason to believe that nonsense at all.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  6. bwavatar

    The Human Irony.... That people of the so called Western Religions, attribute God's hand in natural events that are 100% explainable by a Grade 2 in scientific terms, yet scoff at the prior 1000s of heathen religions that did the same thing because they didn't have science to explain them.
    The double irony, is the so called religious that accept the scientific explanations, yet still profess a belief in God. That is the penultimate definition of cognitive dissonance.
    And with all due respect to the author, thank you for accepting that God did not have a hand in bringing the hurricane, but by the same logic, on what basis can you believe he has a hand in anything else?

    October 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  7. The Screaming Skulls of Huggypuppy Castle!

    I like the way Stephen Prothero felt the need for a pre-emptive "Jesus didn't do it" apology.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Dawkins is my homeboy

      This storm is proof that god hates you all. God is a murderer.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  8. BelieveIt

    From what I heard, Gangnam Style is one big rain dance and we brought this hurricane upon ourselves.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  9. Prayer does not change jack sh1t

    I have been sitting here in my office for the last hour praying that the electricity would come back on at my house.

    Just called my wife.

    Nope, power is still off.

    God is kind of a dick like that.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      Of course it worked! Jesus clearly said that if you believe and you pray for it, your prayer would ge granted immediately, exactly what you prayed for, without fail! And Jesus can't be on, so your wife must be a scheming atheist liar who is not telling you the truth about the power being back on. She is trying to deceive you with her deceivy deceptions. Bloody atheists!

      October 30, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Get off of you hindu butts and do some thing about it hindu, ignorant, Good lord and GOD gave you a Choice, and you choose to complain.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  10. Cheeses

    Balderdash. Folderol.

    That says it all.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  11. Paula Marie Bernadette

    Dear hawaiiguest, What is your problem? Are you an athiest, agnostic (that's someone who doesn't not believe in God, but is uncertain, not fully convinced God exists), or do you believe in God and just think that He is immoral, evil, some sort of monster? And, no, I do not feel sorry for those who do not believe in Zeus, etc. because that would be idolatry. And I don't accuse other people of being "God Haters". . . I based that assertion on the statements that are made by them which indicate that may be the case. I am very curious as to why you think God is immoral. If you are a Muslim, I can understand, better why you are so hostile to my belief of a good and loving God. That is because Allah is not that way, as was explained to me by a believer in Islam. . . and no, he was no terrorist or extremist. I do agree with you on one point, maybe two: Faith is not truth and (some) beliefs are not truth. What do you believe in? Do believe in an afterlife, or is planet earth as far as we go and then it's just "lights out". Do you believe in eternal life and eternal death (hell would be eternal death, separation from God who is life.) Your angry, condemning remarks intrigue me. Are you an angry person by nature, or just on certain subjects, like your immortal soul? Waiting to hear from you.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Madtown

      why you think God is immoral. If you are a Muslim, I can understand, better why you are so hostile to my belief of a good and loving God. That is because Allah is not that way
      ----
      Paula, consider this fact: if you were born in Egypt(something you wouldn't control), you'd be a Muslim. I wonder what you'd think of christians then?

      October 30, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • ZeusDeus

      @ PaulaMarie
      And, no, I do not feel sorry for those who do not believe in Zeus, etc. because that would be idolatry."

      YOU are worshipping the idols of yahweh/adad the sumerian god of thunder, but I AM ZEUS DEUS MAXIMUS and when you chritians die, you will be my sporting clays for all eternity! YOU think you got it right, but you don't! You worship the WRONG god of thunder! My child THOR is the TRUE god of thunder, not this yahweh/adad cat. SO, grovel, christian, and prepare for your eternity...PULL.....(ka POW).... ha ha ha

      PROVE THAT I DON'T EXIST PUNY HUMAN!!!

      October 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "I am very curious as to why you think God is immoral."

      Your god claims omnipotence and omniscience. Thus your god knew, before he even created you, if you would end up in heaven or hell. There is no possible way you could end up where god didn't know you would end up. In fact, he knew this before he even created the universe. Thus, if god knows you are going to hell, there is absolutely nothing you could do to choose to go to heaven.

      Thus, your god purposefully created tens of billions of people for the sole purpose of torturing them for all eternity.

      And you really can't understand why your God is immoral? Seriously?

      October 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  12. Keith

    God is not watching and doesn't care. If you or your family die in the storm it is not "God's" will, it is dumb luck.

    If you survive you may well be blessed, but it isn't by god, it is dumb luck.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  13. BillDee

    Hate to break it to you but God is a myth and a convenient "crutch" for those who like to avoid taking personal responsibility and accountability for their lives. It is generational brainwashing and mind control for the masses. Just because it's been around for centuries doesn't legitimize it. It merely shows the rest of us who the "sheep" are. God has nothing to do with weather patterns or anything else on this planet. Are there spirit energies and spiritual forces? Yes. But "God" per se, is nothing more than mythological B.S. Period .Get thyself de-programmed as quickly as possible...and reclaim your ability to think clearly and step out the imposed religious "box."

    October 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Joseph

      Thanks for your honest opinion. Because that's all it is, just an opinion.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      joseph: that is all anyone has, an opinion

      October 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  14. HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE "PRAYER WORKS" TEST!

    It's time to put that "prayer works" thing to the test! Here's how it works:

    Since religious people are heavily Republican, we shall allow the "prayer" side to pray for a victory for Romney and control of the Senate going to the GOP. So you Christian Republicans, pray and pray hard for Mitt and the GOP to take the Senate. Pray against Obama and liberals if you prefer spite-prayers. And don't forget to vote.

    For the liberal side, do nothing but vote. Do not pray for or against anything. Just sit back and be secular.

    And a week from now, we will have our results.

    Remember, for all the attention that politics gets from religious people, God's hand should be at work, so get those prayers going and move that hand. God needs you to tell him what to do, so get busy!

    Will prayer work? Let's let the results speak for themselves!

    October 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Athy

      But that will prove nothing either way.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      I'm sure people prayed the storm would go away! How did that work out! Now what if Obama wins? Would you renounce your beliefs and realize you've been wasting your time?

      October 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE "PRAYER WORKS" TEST!

      Poe's Law confirmed again.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  15. Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

    Ya, by hindu fabrication Jesus, brewery master and hindu racist, calling children of human dogs. keep hinduism, filth of hindu Jews, filthy self centered, atheist for hindu Jew's, filthy secular s.
    hindu racist Mithra ism, savior ism, religion o hindu's, racist labeled as Christianity.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
  16. Charity

    I know that God always has good for us...always. I also know that He gave us a choice and we reap what we sow into this world. Disasters are not a result of His desires for God doesn't always get what He wants. That's not how He wants it. This world is ours to take care of. We as a people have created – some good and some not good. We have made decisions – some good some not so good. As a result, we reap. God is there to help us when we go to Him. Many of us don't go to Him for help for we want to run our lives on our own. I believe creation reacts because of our reaction towards God. The Bible says Creations groans waiting for the sons and daughter of God to be revealed. Sandy is a result of creation groaning. Google – bible; creation groans

    October 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • God

      I will sweep away everything in all your land, says the LORD. I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity, says the LORD.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Chris Tyan Tanglebrain

      All-powerful God does not get what he wants, which is what he wants, so he does get what he wants, which is to not get what he wants, which he wants.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • God

      I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Jesus Manson - sLaughter is the best medicine

      I will slaughter you because I love you.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • biobraine

      You don't know any more about any god than anyone else, which is essentially nothing. If prayer actually affected the outcome of things, it would be easy to prove scientifically. No one has proven they have seen or heard from any gods. So why in the world would the default be a belief in them? Because the bible told you so? Why choose that one? Because of where you were born? Why not the Koran? Why not the Book of Mormons? Why not the legends of the Greek gods? C'mon humans, think.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • derp

      "Disasters are not a result of His desires for God doesn't always get what He wants"

      So your all powerful god, who controls everything, and has a plan for everything, does not always get what he wants?

      What does he do, plan to not get what he wants?

      Wouldn't he then be getting what he wants anyway, because he planned to not get it?

      Christians are amazingly stupid.

      The unique ability that they have to completely ignore any semblance of logical thought process is simply astounding.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • ZeusDeus

      I laugh at your puny "god"! Just wait! For 2000 years I've been gobbling up your deluded predecessors and their ridiculous thunder-god yahweh/adad priests and popes, and I've been using them as sporting clays with my cohorts here in Olypus. YOU ARE SO gonna wish you'd acknowledged me! PUny PUny sporting clays....hahahahaha....are you sure you bet correctly?

      HAVE YOU DISPROVED MY EXISTENCE? NO?

      PULL..........ka POW>.............ha ha ha good shot Hermes!

      October 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • BeyondBelief

      Piffle like this is sure to make a lot of people groan. Natural events like Sandy have absolutely nothing to do with people come to, or not coming to God. It has 100% to do with scientific explanations of how weather works.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • snowboarder

      charity – i groan with the lunacy of your comment.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      "God doesn't always get what He wants"

      Sort of shoots the concept of omnipotence out of the water, no?

      October 30, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
  17. Gradschooldude

    To attribute the occurrence of any event to a non-exist external source of power or "god" is folly and delusional.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  18. ArthurP

    Fundamentalist: Thank God those people were saved.
    Real Person: Why not thank the rescue workers that risked their lives and did the actual work.
    Fundamentalist: Yes but God sent them.
    Real Person: No, their dispatcher did....

    October 30, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Ann

      and of course, who sent the storm?

      October 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Huebert

      Ann

      Storms aren't sent they occur. They occur due to the uneven heating and cooling of the earth's surface and atmosphere. Thousands of other factors go into determining exactly where they occur, but their root cause is uneven heat, energy, distribution.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Huebert Not only do you know how to get rid of Jehovah witnesses. You're damn smart.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Ann

      Huebert, I know that. I was posing a question to the fundamentalist who was crediting the almighty with saving people. The old credit for good/blame for bad thing.

      Besides, we all know that storms are sent by the weatherman.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  19. SnapinTurtle

    Great article....I have heard these "God's will" arguments my entire life one can justify anything that way. My mother was angry with me once for leaving her for a week, since it coincided with hurricane Floyd and it ruined my plans, she told me it was God showing his displeasure. Apparently in some people's world the fact that I wanted to see NC lighthouses meant that dozens of people had to die and 1000s were left homeless. I am not sure how to apologize to them as I got off with only a slightly damaged jeep.

    One point on the Billy Graham articles, he himself was famous for never endorsing one candidate over another, and he met with any President who asked, regardless of the party. Until the last couple of years he never took out ads such as he is doing now. Other than a quick snap shot with Romney, Billy Graham has not really been seen in public for a while, he is very old, confused, and unwell. I would bet the farm this new determination to influence American votes is from the son, Franklin, who is a nicely veneered charlatan. The behavior is inconsistent with Billy Graham's past actions.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  20. Andrena

    The nonbeliever uses science to prove their own theory and the Christians, Islams, Muslams, etc look to the scriptures to come to their own understanding in God. With so many different beliefs in the world what is one to believe? How does mankind come to the conclusion who is right and who is wrong. While some will harden their heart and hear only what they want to believe others will diligently seek to know the truth. It has been said, "A wise man will hear, and will increase in learning...." If you base your faith upon another mans opionion or faith then your faith or opinion is not your own but another mans understanding. The only way to refute Christianity or any scientific therory is to diligently study both sides before comining to any conclusion. A wise man once said, "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men." If you have accepted a scientific theory then you have aproached it with a willing mind inorder to base your faith upon the facts scientist have compiled. It is only when we aproach God with a willing mind and an open heart that we can recieve Him. It is not wise to harden your heart against something you have no understanding about. A wise man will bridle his tongue. To argue and debate merely stirrs up strife and reflects ignorance. Let us base our faith upon what we do know and not what we don't understand.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • snowboarder

      andrena – there is one absolute fact, with all the deities, religions and doctrines today and throughout history, man is very adept at inventing god.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • itsallaloadofbollocks

      Muslims are followers of Islam.
      You feel that equal time applies to religion v science when religion has nothing apart from ancient texts based on even older mythology with translation and transliteration errors plus the deliberate adjustment to fit the then leaders views.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      ..and with the latest faked Global Warming scandals it seems that some in science are very capable of the same. All you have to do is ask a group of scientist or scientific based environmentalist what is causing Global Warming and watch them fight. Each believing that while the others are important it is the one that is their specific focus or area of study.... which is funding their paychecks.... that is the true cause of Global warming.

      Science is, these days more driven by money that comes from funding which pays their checks. That is why we went from spiting the atom and landing on the moon to now only sending up rovers and building a club house in Earth orbit. If science could deliver and was not held back by the need to extend funding as long as they could, we would be further along as a people.

      Heck, it took two years to build the Empire state building, the Twin Towers of the World trade center two years.... its been 12 years and the not one tower but a single tower is not done yet. NASA shut down with no orbiter.

      We put our faith in such and mankind advances slow to a grinding halt.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Not believing (for me) is not about science. It's about what I see. ex. Republicans who are pro-life, yet are against gun control and affordable heath care. Those that say the world is coming to an end. Yet, were still here! Those that say g-od knows all. Yet, he allows 9/11 to happen. Those that say G-od landed that plane in the east river. Yet, he allows other planes to crash. i deal with reality.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Mark

      Yet Mark you are capable of tying on the internet to share your drivel because of science, what a hypocrite.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Huebert

      Andrena

      I used to believe. It wasn't until I started to look for God that found out that he wasn't there.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @mark People have always argued their points good or bad. It will be that way forever. There was a time people argued the world was flat! The rebuilding of the WTC has as much to with too many cooks in the kitchen being the reason it is taking so long. (I live in NYC) As far as global warming, we've seen pictures of icebergs melting. You don't need further proof than that.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      I meant Mark from middle river.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hi Mark. I am not one of those that discounts science but do you feel it is advancing in directions that do not hold any monetary rewards? Because of science and technology we are able to have a dialuge on the internet today but, ask yourself... look down and then to the upper right hand side and see those advertisements for products? We are able to post here because CNN Belief Blog markets that there is a section of its website that people who are active and vocal visit and that a company might want to spend a part of its advertising dollar with CNN. They will not even pay anyone to actively moderate the post here because the bigger the flame wars the larger the post count and more they can charge for ads. Look at the subject matters that they choose to post.

      Technology points towards the money.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • snowboarder

      mark river – technology is simply a tool. it can be used for an amazing array of purposes.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Everything points toward the money! You do not have to buy anything you see. There is nothing wrong with capitalism. The "conversations" are more important to me than the advertisement. You take what you want out of it.

      October 30, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"mark river – technology is simply a tool. it can be used for an amazing array of purposes."

      The Bible, is also just a simple item. Its accounts and scriptures can be used to lift folks up and to tear folks down. One will find the peace in it and others will find reasoning to oppress.

      Snowboader, it comes down to the heart of the person using it.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Soo...Piddler? Did the Empire State Building go up in two years because more people believed in god?

      Really?

      Laughing here.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      No, both went up that fast because at that time there was more pride in being well build and fast. Now it is how long can we drag out a project to keep the investors rich.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
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