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My Take: God not in whirlwinds of Sandy, presidential race
A NASA image of Hurricane Sandy.
October 29th, 2012
01:33 PM ET

My Take: God not in whirlwinds of Sandy, presidential race

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define a Nation," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

I am riding out Sandy on Cape Cod and wondering whether this, too, is God’s will.

As this storm has carved its path through the Caribbean and up the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, it has taken 67 lives and (so far) spared the rest of us. Was it the will of the Almighty that so many should perish?

Is God angry with Cuba, where 11 died last week? More angry with Haiti, where 51 perished? Relatively unperturbed with Jamaica, where the death toll was only two? If a tree falls on my house today, will that be an Act of God, too?

There has been a lot of talk lately about what is and what isn’t willed by Providence, thanks to Richard Mourdock, the Indiana Republican and U.S. Senate candidate who said last week, “I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen.”

Whether “it” in this sentence refers to rape or to conception, it assumes that God is both busy and capricious. Why does God offer the gift of life to some rape victims and not to others? Why does God allow some elections to be close and not others?

One answer, of course, is that God does nothing of the sort. Perhaps there is no God. Or perhaps God is more like the watchmaker divinity of Deism fame who winds up the universe, sets it in motion and then leaves it to its own devices.

In the thought worlds of Indian religions, things operate not by the will of God but in keeping with the laws of karma. So to put it in crudest terms, those who are injured in Sandy somehow have it coming to them, as do victims of rape who find themselves pregnant.

The western religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have argued that God has a hand not only in setting our story in motion but also in seeing it through to the end. So Jews, Christians, and Muslims have had to reckon with the classical problem of “theodicy”: In a world in which God is all powerful and all good, why do bad things happen to good people?

As I wrestle with these questions, I cannot help thinking about how differently my New England forebears interpreted these natural disasters. While we speak of the eye of the hurricane, New England's colonists were ever mindful of the eye of a God who was forever watching over them, and sending storms their way as punishment for their collective sins.

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When the Great Colonial Hurricane raced up the east coast and lashed New England in August 1635, its 130 mph winds and 21-foot storm surge were almost universally viewed in supernatural rather than natural terms — as a judgment of God on the unfaithful.

We still have Puritans among us today, of course.

Televangelist Pat Robertson is notorious for turning natural disasters such as the Haiti earthquake and Hurricane Katrina into supernatural communications — God’s curse on Haiti or New Orleans for bad religion or widespread abortions. And with this “Stormpocalpyse” arriving on the eve of the election, I suspect some will suggest that the rain and the wind are God’s judgment on the leadership of President Obama.

Still, American society as a whole no longer interprets natural disasters as signs of a coming apocalypse or evidence of past misdeeds. When it comes to earthquakes and hurricanes, we tune in to the Weather Channel, not the Christian Broadcasting Network. And we interpret these events not through the rumblings of biblical prophets but through the scientific truths of air pressure and tectonic plates.

As a result of this sort of secular turn, we are much better at predicting the course of hurricanes. The Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635 arrived as a surprise and took many lives with it, including, according to the report of the Massachusetts governor, John Winthrop, those of eight Native Americans taken by the storm surge while “flying from their wigwams.” Sandy is a surprise to no one, thanks to science.

Still, we Americans cannot give up on talk of God’s will. At least according to Newt Gingrich, Mourdock’s foray into rape and theology reflects the position of “virtually every Catholic” in the United States. And if we are to believe the full-page ads taken out  by Billy Graham, God wills the victory of Mitt Romney over Barack Obama.

As for me, I am less sure about what God wills for our storms (political or otherwise). In my view, any God worth worshiping isn’t going to be so predictable, or so capricious.

I don’t think Graham, Mourdock, or Gingrich is speaking on behalf of God. They are speaking on behalf of themselves, on the basis of their own fears and experiences. And they are reading the Bible through their politics, not the other way around.

When it comes to storms like Sandy, I just don't believe in a God who drowns black babies in Haiti yet refuses to drown out the voices of cranky white men who claim so irreverently to speak in His name.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Belief • Billy Graham • Christianity • Church and state • Newt Gingrich • Politics • Science • United States

soundoff (2,188 Responses)
  1. Deb

    Why does God get blamed for everything? Act's of God, God brings trouble and destruction to teach mankind a lesson etc. How about mankinds decision to do bad all by themselves? How about the fact that there is a devil that hates mankind? We always recognize God when something catastrophic happens people are so quick to blame Him or say if He was real why would He let babies die. Well your answer is ignore Him and He will ignore you.

    October 30, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Bob

      Uh, Deb, you are really hard of thinking, aren't you. How is it that your all-powerful sky fairy still hasn't been able to deal with your "Satan"?

      And your statements are insulting to those who had sick kids with cancer and sincerely prayed for them, only to have them die anyway. You beotch.

      Your god obviously doesn't exist. Get over it already.

      October 30, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      If your god is all powerfull why shouldn't he get all the blame?

      October 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Lewis

      Deb
      God takes full responsibility for His actions. He isn't losing sleep because some people chose to deny His existence or ignore His providence in their lives. "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things." Read Isaiah 45:4-7 in its full context.

      October 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheese makers

      Lewis if your god creates calamity that makes him an asshat, that god in no way deserves to be worshipped.

      October 30, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  2. WOT

    No one speaks for God other than the word of God! Please read it for yourself. The SUN shine on the just as well as the unjust, God will JUDGE everyone and everthing.

    October 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Bob

      Proof, please. I doubt that you have any. And that's some weird "smile" that your vicious sky fairy just did...

      October 30, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Claiming any book is the word of god is a joke. Why in the world would you think it is?

      October 30, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • the AnViL

      the bible is full of contradictions... anyone who believes a word of it is not only beyond ignorant – but stupid on a level that's disgusting and shameful.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:28 am |
  3. Jagged

    There is a GOD. Nobody can understand the mind of GOD. He exists, at the beginning of what we know as time, and the end of time, at the same time. Time means nothing to GOD. GOD said, "I knew YOU before the beginning of time."

    Do not mock the living GOD. The son of GOD died so you might dwell forever with GOD.
    "For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him will not die, but have everlasting life."

    You are never alone. GOD is watching. GOD knew you before time started. You can't touch that. No matter how you try. He lives in the final dimension. You can have a personal relationship with GOD. You can. Don't believe the lie.

    Though GOD slay me, yet will I worship.

    GOD the father, GOD the creator, GOD!

    October 30, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Gozar

      That's totally absurd, Jagged. You are claiming certainty about something that you also acknowledge that you can't describe, understand, or explain. Don't you see a problem with that?

      October 30, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Bob

      Jagged, let's take a look at that supposed son "sacrifice" thing more closely. It really doesn't hold up at all. The whole premise of Christianity that the death of the son of god would have been any kind of "sacrifice" and was required to deal with "sin" is utter nonsense. This is a supposed omnipotent being that we are discussing. Christians, think this through a bit:

      How come your 'omnipotent' creature couldn't do all that supposed saving without the loony son sacrifice bit? And for that matter, how was it a sacrifice at all, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time it wants with less than a snap of its fingers? Pretty feeble god it is that you've made for yourself there. Give that some thought and maybe it will help you leave your delusions behind. You will remain a laughingstock otherwise, and the more you dwell in your silly delusion and ancient myths, instead of keeping up with advances in medicine and technology, the more America slips downward relative to the rest of the world in science and other fields.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      October 30, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      How can you know no one can know the mind of god? By saying that you are claiming a certain amount of knowledge about god that you just said you can't know.

      October 30, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Mark J

      God said that Adam, and thus all of humanity (since we all descended from Adam), would "surely die" if he would eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God is righteous, and His throne is based on his righteousness. All of humanity deserved death. In fact, if it was not for certain men like Noah, we would not be here on the earth. God is not a violent God, He is a righteous God (and none of us are righteous). However, God is also a loving God of mercy. He allowed Adam, and all of humanity, to live, but the price of blood was still there. Therefore, God took the form of a man to pay for sin. This is only one aspect of the Lord's crucifixion. God became a man to become the "life-giving spirit." Man was redeemed for something that God wanted in the beginning- a man in the image of God and having dominion over the earth. Such a man was Christ- He was the first "God-Man." Through His crucifixion, God was able to redeem man to enter INTO man to make man the same as He is in life and nature, but not in the Godhead. What love! What mercy! What a mystery!
      All you who question the Word of God are ignorant. Those people do not know the Word of God (and I am suppossed to learn their evolution and a meaningless-universe from nothing- theories). Read the Word of God with an open heart and I guarantee that it will change your life.

      October 30, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
  4. Billy 2 67

    Actually I think God hates fiberglass boats, no soul, He wants us to have wooden boats only!! Look at the pictures from NJ all the fiberglass boats have been destroyed. He doesn't hate the gays or Obama it's the fiberglass, it's evil. Not mentioned in the bibles ( note plural) because fiberglass had not been invented yet, yes dung and straw but not fiberglass. Additionally wooden false idol " bounty" recalled. Crazy, you bet, join the club plenty of company here.

    October 30, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Bob

      Very funny, Billy. Hey, god must really especially hate those high-end carbon-fiber race boats too.

      Dung and straw does seem like a suitable material for believers to use though. Might as well be consistently in the non-advanced thinking and materials.

      October 30, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  5. jesalludda jones

    This thread is one of favorite modern amusements. That is people who use their computers (science) and get on the internet (science) to talk about thousands years old mythology as if it were real. And then, we have a presidential canidate who is a "good" Christian who said "It is our job to kill the bad guys." Oh yeah! Give me that good old time religion,
    Pathetic, But an endless source of fun never the less.

    October 30, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  6. BobPhxville

    Without evil in the world, there can be no good. Without hurricanes, there can be no first responders, and heros. Without kidney disease, there can be no kidney donors. We are here to demonstrate our goodness. We can only do that against a backstop of evil and hardship.

    October 30, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      World is created in good, positive , and to be hindu, negative is human choice.

      October 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Lewis

      You are incorrect. Good can exist apart from evil just like light can exist without darkness. The idea that good is dependant upon evil for its existence is obsurd.

      October 30, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
  7. JM

    No one on here ever satisfyingly asnwers the question "if God exists, why does God allow suffering?"

    October 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      You're injecting common sense into the equation.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      JM wrote, "No one on here ever satisfyingly asnwers the question "if God exists, why does God allow suffering?"

      1Corinthians 3:9 says, "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building."

      Our 'labouring together' should not be understood with our why's and why nots for seeing Godly perspectives thru manly eyes. Do men not make tizzies over miniscule matters just like women banter and crow?

      Let Us Love,
      Lettuce Love,
      G.O.D.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • The Bottom Line

      That's because there is no satisfying answer. You are talking about what is known as "The Problem Of Evil," an acid-bath test of the legitimacy of any particular religion, and I know of no modern religion that comes even close to proving themselves. Christianity, Islam and Jusaism fail miserably.

      Oddly enough, the Greco-Roman pantheon actually does a better job with it. They believed that the gods were capricious, bickering, vain, and almost totally indifferent to the lives of humans. The gods did not care if an earthquake killed innocents. Humans offered sacrifices not to get in their good favor but to appease them and hope the gods left them alone. In mythology, if a human actually encounters a god, the outcome will almost always be horrific.

      But it's all bogus. The Problem of Evil, like the discoveries of science and the contradictions and absurdities in the Bible, is just one of many clues that religion is myth, and none of it is true.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Because you made your choice in hinduism, negativity, HE just granted your wish.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      The Bottom Line,

      Your' issues seem a wee bit tipsy and a bit lopsided to say the better. It should not be for us to believe or disbelieve but rather seek the Kingdom of God as a matter of factuality. Keep ye abreast of and adept about as to the only two places to search for the Kingdom of God! Innerspace places and Outerspace places. Sure as hell isn't here on earth!

      October 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Badda Bing

      Eliminate and Innerspace are such a cute couple. They belong together.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Badda Bing,

      Well ain't that some tin !!!?

      October 30, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • TheTruth

      Life is life: God isn't a puppetmaster playing all of us. He will and does, intervene, but He doesn't try to micro-manage life. Managing life is up to us, and He's given us the freedom to do it. What are we doing to stop the suffering? And why are we blaming God for our lack of action?

      October 30, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • EuphoriCrest

      Your question was answered centuries ago by Epicurus:
      Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
      Then he is not omnipotent.
      Is he able, but not willing?
      Then he is malevolent.
      Is he both able and willing?
      Then whence cometh evil?
      Is he neither able nor willing?
      Then why call him God?

      October 30, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • msadr

      God allows suffering because suspending the laws of nature for the sake of one selfish person would result in mass suffering and the probable extinction of all life on earth. Does that answer your question?

      October 30, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Lewis

      Have you ever read the books written by C.S. Lewis (The Problem of Pain, A Grief Observed, and Mere Christianity)? I believe that he deals with this topic in a thorough and competent manner.

      October 30, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Kebo

      God is not the source of suffering but enters into suffering alongside us – that is the whole notion of what the incarnation means – Emmanuel means "God with us"

      October 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  8. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

    Ron A Canadian wrote, "I'm not a believer. Never have been and never will be. I'm smarter than that."

    Even smart people bow down to treacherous limbs in order to save their heads from getting battered. Comes with the neighbor-'heads', low life limbs!

    Lettuce Love,
    Let Us Love
    G.O.D.

    October 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      Wow neighbours, limbs and heads. I'm still trying to make heads or tails out of that. If anything you are out there on a limb buddy.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Cue the "Twighlight Zone" theme.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • == o ==

      "Even smart people bow down to treacherous limbs in order to save their heads from getting battered. Comes with the neighbor-'heads', low life limbs! "

      All these disgruntled ex employees of Pat Robertson's Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. ...
      So sad. I hate to see people out of work with nothing useful to do...

      October 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Ron A Canadian,

      So glad you did mention a limb to be out on. I'm very territorial in my youth but alas, my days are numbered to say the least. Life begins with a twinkling of an eye and ends being with the fairies in the sky.

      Let Us Love,
      Lettuce Love,
      G.O.D.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • How to make a total fool of yourself in five easy words

      "the fairies in the sky"

      October 30, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      🙂

      Well aren't we special,,, ?

      October 30, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ,

    October 30, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian. ..

      October 31, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs. –

      October 31, 2012 at 8:11 am |
  10. stevie68a

    Religion is trickery: Your "souls" are on the bottom of your feet, "soles". "Prophet" means "Profit". Religious people, at least
    consider you've been conned.

    October 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  11. Ron A Canadian

    I'm not a believer. Never have been and never will be. I'm smarter than that. If there was a god and he caused a disaster where lots of people died and billions of dollars of damge was caused by the disaster wouldn't this god more closely resemble the devil?

    I guess us non believers sometimes have a hard time establishing a difference between the two. Which one of the two performs the good things?

    October 30, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      You own fault, HE just allowed your wish to be fulfilled..

      October 30, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      Who is 'HE'?

      You have to go slow for us non believers. We tend to use logic and that just throws a monkey wrench into this whole religious debacle.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • captain america

      As it turns out no one in Canada is interested in your bull sh it opinion and it is worth less than that to US, go troll elsewhere ass hole you are not needed by US either. There's your sign.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      Hahaha captain i have a sign for you and I'm holding it up in my one finger salute. There's your sign troll.

      Why not try and take me on weakling?

      October 30, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Yahoo, HE in mind and heart, Human, Hu mann, HIS desire, "HE" The lord and God of the word, by Latin, Hebrew and Arabic language, First witness to "HIM" and than deny in hindu Atheism, ignorant self center ism, what else could it called, hindu Judaism, criminal self center ism or secular ism.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • captain america

      When faced with a butt in unwanted ass hole of a canadian the great president LBJ lifted the little pipsqueak lester pearson off the ground by his throat with one powerful Texan hand and warned him not to come into his living room and p iss on the carpet.Take you on? You don't belong here. At the end of the day you are still an undermining,unneeded, unwanted foreign ass hole whose opinion isn't worth crap to US. There's your sign

      October 30, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • the AnViL

      captain america is another bigoted, delusional enemy of reason.

      i feel ashamed that this level of ignorance exists in the world. humanity is impoverished by the likes of this person.

      he – and those who think like him – should never be allowed to hold public office, vote, purchase firearms or teach public school.

      they should be sterilized and sequestered to prevent them from infecting future generations from being infected with their grand delusional idiocy.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:33 am |
  12. Old Enough

    There is as much evidence for a GOD as there is for UFO's. No real evidence, all hearsay and conjecture. This storm is nothing, What about the tsunami that killed about 1/2 million. I guess they were all "bad" too. Wake up, use your brain.

    October 30, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Oh, ya, try to exist without truth absolute, constant, you will never be able to, because TRUTH ABSOLUTE IS GOD OF THE WORLD. need any more, hindu, darkened head.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  13. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

    People who die are as buildings making ready for demolition and evacuations of those who dwell within our dead bodies. Because the Kingdoms of God are as our DNA, all of Celestial Life is and forever will be bound in the Cosmos of the very small worlds never to be seen as of yet by the prying eyes of mankind's science lords. What we see outwardly in space are but 'photo' copies of what lays very deeply within inner space places. I write this due 2 and only two serses of scripture which I take very literally. They are Luke 17:2 and 1Corinthians 3:9.

    Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
    1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    I'm not saying for one to believe my Word but keep it on the back-burner,,,

    October 30, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
  14. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

    Death and a body being decimated by diseases and what have you are 'as' but testimonies. Nothing more, nothing less, just testimonies. As to what testimonies are for is for one alone and an inconsequential society to make judgements on. We cannot live on the bread and wine of the Lord Christ Jesus alone. Mankind needs much more than bread and wine to live their life upon.

    Divided are the thoughts of people for unity is fleeting and are 'but-for-the moments' to linger upon for just a time. That which one sees today, remembers very little of it tommorrow. We have only fragmented memories of incompleteness.

    October 30, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      Deep thoughts by innerspace...... Crazy thoughts but deep none the less.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Frank

      Innerspace is really quite worthless and best eliminated. Typically mine is purged about 30-45 minutes after my morning coffee.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @ Frank: Hahahha...and TMI.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Use your Choice in positive way in following of truth absolute, it was never matter of hinduism, corruption of truth absolute called religions , but teachings were to be on the way of truth absolute in life. Be truth full in life and truth absolute GOD, HIM, will be with you.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
  15. Answer

    Imagine your "America" – you crazy christians – of it being 100% totally 'christian'...

    Imagine it well.. wrap that beautiful thought / such pleasurable thought/ into your devoted and messed up minds!

    Every year that 100% society of yours will have to face your god's wrath. Every person killed by your god is 100% christian – like yourself. You'll pray for your god, demand your god to stop. It won't.

    Who will you blame? For your god's wrath. You're all 100%. That's a 100% laugh track that the whole world would agree on. Your god showing all the world how much it hates you. 100%!

    October 30, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • captain america

      Tend to your own country leave ours to US we don't need squat from you, come to think of it your own country doesn't need squat from you either you'd be a useless waste wherever you went. There's your sign

      October 30, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Shut the eff up, captain know-nothing.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Ok captain America Go out and start saving the world. End wars, hunger, homeless, crime, illness and whatever else you run across. Lord knows praying hasn't been working.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • == o ==

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      If it is will of truth absolute God, so be it, a believer in HIM, fear none, but obey's HIS will, THE LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD. Fear is for a hindu denier of truth absolute Atheist, self centered goon, pretending to be god himself.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  16. Huebert

    @ken

    If you are God, can I have a gold plated Roles Royce?

    October 30, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      I was referring to a different individual. but, hey If I could, I'd give you two, of course after I get mine.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Huebert

      😀

      October 30, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • ME II

      A Roles Royce? no problem.
      A Rolls-Royce on the other hand....

      jk

      October 30, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @ME II..........Huebert was sooo excited that he thought I was giving him a car. I think he got the names Rolex and Rolls mixed up.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Ert

      Acts 17:22-31 NASB
      "So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects. For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.' Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.""

      See it at YouVersion.com:

      http://bible.us/Acts17.22.NASB

      October 30, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Bertha

      The fool has said in his heart,“ There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call on the Lord? There they are in great fear, For God is with the generation of the righteous. You shame the counsel of the poor, But the Lord is his refuge. (Psalm 14:1-6 NKJV)

      October 30, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @bertha & ert You may find this hard to believe. I am a married man with 2 lovely daughters. One attends UCONN, The other is in middle school. I don't smoke, drink or use drugs, I have been working since 18, own a home and love my wife. That is as christian as you can get. Do you think I'm going to hell just because I don't believe. If that is the case I should destroy all I got because I'm doing good for nothin'

      October 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Ert

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ” And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. (John 1:1-5, 9-18 NKJV)

      October 30, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Bertha:
      "The fool has said in his heart,“ There is no God.”"

      A quite old and sometimes effective tactic – declaring that those who do not believe your story are 'fools'. Nobody wants to be considered 'dumb' for not seeing the Emperor's new clothes, or a 'bas.tard' for not seeing the Sultan's new turban, or a 'cuckold' for not being able to see the Miller's gold thumb.

      Even Joseph Smith used it when he gathered his 'witnesses' to his golden plates. He told them that only those with 'true faith' would be able to 'see' them.

      The ancient, primitive Hebrews who originated those Bible stories were quite adept at manipulative mind-games.

      -------------------------------
      "Just look, Your Majesty, what colors! What a design!" They pointed to the empty looms, each supposing that the others could see the stuff.

      "What's this?" thought the Emperor. "I can't see anything. This is terrible!

      Am I a fool? Am I unfit to be the Emperor? What a thing to happen to me of all people! – Oh! It's very pretty," he said. "It has my highest approval." And he nodded approbation at the empty loom. Nothing could make him say that he couldn't see anything." – The Emperor's New Clothes

      ----------------------------------------

      Of old time there was a great king. One day a man came before him and said, "My king, I shall weave a turban such that one born in wedlock will see it, while the ba.stard will see it not." The king marveled and ordered that that weaver should weave that turban; and the weaver received an allowance from the king and tarried a long while. One day he folded up this side and that side of a paper and brought it and laid it before the king and said, "Oh king, I have woven that turban." So the king opened the paper and saw that there was nothing; and all the viziers and nobles who stood there looked on the paper and saw nothing. Then the king said in his heart, "Do you see? I am then a ba.stard"; and he was sad. And he thought, "Now, the remedy is this, that I say it is a goodly turban and admire it, else will I be put to shame before the folk." And he said, "Blessed by God! Oh master, it is a goodly turban, I like it much." – The King’s New Turban

      -----------------------------------

      A merchant that thought to deride a miller sitting among company said to him, "Sir, I have heard that every honest miller that tells the truth has a golden thumb."

      The miller answered and said it was true.

      Then the merchant said, "I pray, let me see your thumb." And when the miller showed his thumb, the merchant said, "I cannot perceive that your thumb is gold. It is the same as other men's thumbs."

      The miller answered, and said, "Sir, the truth is that my thumb is gold, but you have no power to see it, for it has the property that he who is a cuckold shall never have power to see it. - The Miller with the Golden Thumb

      October 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @ERT OK I see you follow Mutt Romney's way. Just keep repeating the same nonsense instead of dealing with real issues. Eventually, some fool will believe it. it's a shame that for all the praying that goes on in the world today, g-od doesn't appear to be listening because nothin' changes.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Ert

      Kent. Dont worry. Your rolls royce is coming.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Can you give me a day and time I can expect it to arrive.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
  17. Romano 5568

    All knowledge, all feelings, all experiences, every moment, all things, seen and not seen, all places, all events exist because God created everything out of nothing.

    God created cause and effect. God allows the laws of cause and effect to come about through His Creation. Thus man is also geared to be the cause of some definite events, some unknown events..

    It is still to be discovered what role man played in bringing Sandy to fruition. Science has not developed sufficiently to demonstrate man's role in nature.

    On the spiritual level, it has been revealed through history that man has been the force behind many natural disasters eg the Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, the drowning of the Egyptians...

    It is interesting that as the moral fibre of the American nation dissipates downhill, so the disasters escalate...Cause? Effect?

    October 30, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • RJW

      If you want to believe in a God that causes things like this Hurrican or allows bad things to happen be my guest. As far as I'm concerned God turned his back on me and a lot of other people. He is either not all powerful or he is a sadistic SOB who shouldn't be worshiped.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      Only the truly crazy try to make a tie in between "moral fibre" and natural disasters. So I guess what you are saying is that a god creature really is responsible for these disasters instead of nature. It's the same as the nutjobs from Florida who have decided their god hates gays in the military. So your god is a hater and likes to kill innocent people indirectly because of other peoples moral fibre? Who wouldn't worship that logic?
      Me!!!

      October 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Lamb of dog

      Here we go again. Some idiot using scare tactics. The world's going to end all because some guy wants to stick it into another. Next he will warn us of Nazis. Blah blah blah

      October 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Lamb of dog

      Behave kids or the boogie man will get you.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Have you experienced any type of disaster? If you have, why? You are obviously a dedicated christian. Why would G-od have you experience any type of disaster? Maybe you have sinned and is having a phoney holy ghost.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • tb63

      Oh I'm sure it's all my fault because I'm gay.

      Right.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @tb63 I didn't know you were gay. You seem like anyone else to me.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • tb63

      Spot on, Ken. Some folks just don't get that.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Bertha

      Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful; But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night. He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper. The ungodly are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind drives away. For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the ungodly shall perish. (Psalm 1:1-4, 6 NKJV)

      October 30, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      It always makes me wonder why someone will try to defend religion in a debate by quoting bible fallacy. It reminds me of a child using quotes from a Superman comic book to prove the existence of Superman. No superman and no god sorry.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Bertha For all your wonderful quotes nothin has changed. conflicts, disasters, illness, hungry etc. still circle the globe at a record pace. Think about this, we have religious republican nominee whose sole goal is to cut and gut programs poor people need to survive. i guess he's the man for you.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Bertha

      I will extol You, my God, O King; And I will bless Your name forever and ever. Every day I will bless You, And I will praise Your name forever and ever. Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised; And His greatness is unsearchable. One generation shall praise Your works to another, And shall declare Your mighty acts. I will meditate on the glorious splendor of Your majesty, And on Your wondrous works. Men shall speak of the might of Your awesome acts, And I will declare Your greatness. They shall utter the memory of Your great goodness, And shall sing of Your righteousness. The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, And His tender mercies are over all His works. All Your works shall praise You, O Lord, And Your saints shall bless You. They shall speak of the glory of Your kingdom, And talk of Your power, To make known to the sons of men His mighty acts, And the glorious majesty of His kingdom. Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And Your dominion endures throughout all generations. (Psalm 145:1-13 NIV84)

      October 31, 2012 at 8:24 am |
  18. Mormonism is Dangerous

    I might not say anything about this if I didn't think that both Mitt and Paul were not going to bring their religion into their public service for the U.S.'s highest office. That's a pretty frightening prospect, especially considering how unfounded and bizarre Mormonism is. Paul Ryan has even stated that he doesn't think he can separate his religion from his public service.

    In 1996, the Smithsonian Institute issued a statement addressing claims made in the Book of Mormon, stating that the text is primarily a religious text and that archeologists affiliated with the institute found "no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book". The statement further describes that there is genetic evidence that the Native American Indians are closely related to peoples of Asia, and that archeological evidence indicates that the Native Americans migrated from Asia over a land bridge over the Bering Strait in prehistoric times. The statement said that there was no credible evidence of contact between Ancient Egyptian or Hebrew peoples and the New World, as indicated by the text of the Book of Mormon. The statement was issued in response to reports that the name of the Smithsonian Institute was being improperly used to lend credibility to the claims of those looking to support the events of the Book of Mormon.

    The National Geographic Society, in a 1988 letter to the Institute for Religious Research, stated "Archaeologists and other scholars have long probed the hemisphere's past and the society does not know of anything found so far that has substantiated the Book of Mormon."

    Of course there are other basic beliefs of Mormonism that have only faith as their foundation.

    October 30, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
  19. Answer

    Love the laughs from you crackpots .. I really do.

    Posting on a forum to help each other beat back the tide of reality. Reality that you'll die by nature's hand – all the while it just carries on. You'll pull your little magical tripe routines and say "He'll save us".

    That's a huge laugh. XD

    Carry on with the comedy.

    October 30, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Death and a body being decimated by diseases and what have you are 'as' but testimonies. Nothing more, nothing less, just testimonies. As to what testimonies are for is for one alone and a society to make judgements on. We cannot live on the bread and wine of the Lord Christ Jesus alone. Divided are the thoughts of people for unity is fleeting and are 'but for the moments' to linger for a time. That which one sees today, remembers very little of it tommorrow. We have only fragmented memories of incompleteness.

      Let Us Love,
      Lettuce Love,
      G.O.D.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    October 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • Howard

      Yes, indeed, prayer does change things. It clouds a clear thinking mind.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Ron A Canadian

      The world needs Freedom from Religion more than ever.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Prayer does NOTHING - ask any amputee

      Not a single amputee has EVER grown back a limb – with god's help, or otherwise.

      God apparently only listens to amputee lizards.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • biobraine

      If prayer actually affected the outcome of things, it would be easy to prove scientifically. No valid scientific study has ever pointed to anything more than a placebo effect from prayer.

      October 30, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
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