November 7th, 2012
08:21 AM ET

Election results raise questions about Christian right's influence

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.

On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.

“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.

“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”

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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”

A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.

Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.

Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.

Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.

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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.

Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.

“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.

Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.

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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.

“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.

Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry - a former altar boy - lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.

Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.

The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.

In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.

Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.

In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”

Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.

Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”

“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.

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Filed under: 2012 Election • Christianity • Politics

soundoff (4,434 Responses)
  1. Martin

    With great Philosophy like the ff. how can they expect the General Public to help them build more critical mass for their needs. Now, I am quoting from major Pastors I met in the pass 10 years of my life:
    – The Earth is 6,000 Years Old
    – Noah placed both Dinosaurs and Sheep side by side in the Ark.
    – During the Republican Nomination Race, Mormonism is a Cult.
    But when the Election is happening, No Comment
    And when the Election is over, Mormonism is back to being a Cult

    These are a few ideology that makes these shrinking group shrink further......

    November 8, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  2. Terrible_Ted

    My net worth is in the 7 figures. With the Republicans in control ...i'm well off. With the Democrats in control...i'm well off. I voted Democrat this time around, but find myself beholden to no party. For the great unwashed masses of Americans, the 99%. I can understand the need to vote Democrat. You feel your government provided benefits are safe for another 4 years I have no reliance on the government to take care of me. Far to many Americans have no personal responsibility to take care of themselves.

    November 8, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Aardman

      Hey Terrible Ted, since you have no need for government services, you should move to Somalia then, there's hardly any functioning government there.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      My net worth is far less than yours Terrible_Ted, but am still doing well enough to not require government assistance. But it isn't about me Ted.

      I vote Democratic because I believe Democrats are compassionate, and believe in using government to help the unfortunate, and believe in rights for everyone (including the um... unwashed?), not just for wealthy, straight, white, Protestants.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      congratulations on your success

      November 8, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Terrible_Ted

      Personal responsibility isn't a bad thing. I will vote for who will do the best job. In this election and the last, Obama. And having the government to help out as a stop gap is needed. However, we have generations of Americans to whom the government benefit is a way of life. Growing up poor is no excuse for this. In America we're told we can be, whatever we strive for. Now for folks like Aardman...Well the glass is half empty already. Did he grow up in a Hindu household?

      November 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  3. Dilip Samuels

    The Christian right ( always profoundly UNCHRISTIAN) IS HEADED TO oblivion, irrelevance and national ridicule

    November 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Tolerance 69

      As long as there are people who need to put others down to lift themselves up, there will conservative christians
      As long as people choose to point fingers at others, because they don't want to focus on their own short comings,
      there will be conservative christians.
      As long as we have the philosophy " Do as I say, not as I do", we will have conservative christians.
      As long as there are people who refuse to live and let live & leave the rest to God, there will be conservative christians

      November 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  4. Aardman

    I grew up in an overwhelmingly Catholic Christian country. Back then, when someone explicitly identifies him or herself as a
    'Christian', the image is someone who does missionary work, living among peasant villages, not to prosyletyze but to provide education, basic health care,and crisis relief. Here in the States, when someone declares himself to be a 'Christian' the image that comes to mind is racist, ignorant, narrow-minded, anti-science and self-righteous. And they are lead by a band of child-molesting (for Catholics) or self-enriching (for fundamentalist protestants) hypocrites. Stereotypes? Of course, but you form stereotypes based on what you see and observe.

    November 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Alina

      Sad but true. Western European Christians look at the bible-thumpers in the US with awe. To them it looks like they're trying to bring back medieval times, a period which most Europeans aren't exactly proud of, particularly when it comes to religious fervor. And the Catholics there actually took Vatican II seriously, I guess they haven't gotten the memo yet in the US.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
  5. Craig

    The Christian Fundamentlist Right is America's Taliban. Time to call them what they are and get them out of what was a good party.

    November 8, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  6. B.

    The country is moving away from Mythology and towards intelligent and secular morality.

    November 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • rodboy

      So gay rights , legal marijuana, that is secular morality, but you are correct – Christians now days just play at it – they get abortions, live together, smoke pot – in most cases church is just a social club especially among Catholics. When money talks ideaology walks. However, you would be hard pressed to find a better way to live than to love god and you neighbor as yourself.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • rodboy

      Also B. when find out where matter came from let us know, speaking of myths this is the secular one.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      rodboy: where matter came from?

      November 8, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Please correct me if I misstate the intelligent and secular morality, but I believe it says consensual s.e.x.u.a.l. relations between consenting adults is ok. God says no. The consequences of relations outside of marriage are disease and unwanted pregnancy. There are over a million abortions per year in the US and 83% of those are by women who are unmarried. Half of all women getting abortions used contraception. Do you still like intelligent and secular morality?

      November 8, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • mk

      Really Robert, so you can't get a disease or have an unwanted pregnancy if you are married? And how many of those having abortions are "religious", do you know that? You think if someone believes that "God says no", they will adhere to no s-ex outside of marriage? Religion has done nothing for so-called morality issues for 2000+ years, why do you think it will help now?

      November 8, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • sam stone

      Robert: You have no authority to speak for god.

      November 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Sure, you can get a disease or have an unwanted pregnancy if you are married, 17% of the women who had an abortion were married. There weren’t any statistics on how many of those got pregnant with someone other than their spouse. Most of those who had an abortion were religious, but zero % of them were minding God. I don’t think because God says no, that everyone will obey. I was only pointing out the differences and consequences between intelligent secular morality and morality according to the word of God. God’s word is the mirror which helps us see that we can’t measure up to his standards and we need a Savior. Organized religion does have lots of problems, but I would hate to see the statistics if we didn’t have some who have been saved by his amazing grace. He loved us first and if we do our best love him back he will help us to do the right thing. Peace.

      November 8, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      sam stone,
      All believers are instructed to spread the good news.

      November 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Damocles

      I'm still a little fuzzy on why an all poweful deity needs mouthpieces. It's odd to say the least. 'My deity can do anything... except speak for itself'.

      November 8, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I can’t explain why God hasn’t personally spoken to crowds of people at the same time in so long. He does still speak to believers one on one through his holy spirit.

      November 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
  7. Consequence

    it is not the Christian Right which has lost its influence, it is that whites are losing influence in their own country. With white voters slipping from 87% in 1992 to 72% in 2012, the country is increasingly inundated with minorities whose political wings, with Democrat help, have taken flight to challenge the very people who brought them here. The white establishment which founded and ran this country for over two hundred years, creating the most powerful nation on earth, is in its twilight years and the future is none too clear. As pundit Dick Morris artfully put it – "this is not your father's America".

    November 8, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • avacon

      That's the way it goes. I live in Canada and we're having exactly the same experience. Nothing lasts forever. The only constant is change.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • JimmyAlex777

      You are "white washing" our forefathers. Lets not forget their evil flaws as we observe our nation's advancement. Praise righteousness, praise our Democratic leaders for delivering us from the wickedness of Republicans.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • BoboDaMonkeyBoy

      Yes, America is becoming browner, but don't fret white people there is still a place for you. You see evolution is defined as "change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. " We are EVOLVING. That's right! White folk contribute your genetic material to the great melting pot that is America. Jump right on in! Lets get the Great Grey Race going! For you see if the bible had it right, there would not be any White folk, Black folk, Asians, Arabs or Latinos at all, we would all be Semitic, and would not have evolved any further, after all that seems to be god's chosen people according to the bible anyway.

      November 8, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Alina

      As pundit Dick Morris artfully put it, yesterday – "I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker".

      He then proceeded to explain away what he creatively defines as a "squeaker" with the very argument you propose.

      If it helps you cope, it's fine with me. The more the sad shell of what's left of the once Grand, now just Old, Party focuses on changing racial and ethic demographics as "the problem", the more moderates, youth and women – of all backgrounds – they alienate.

      One thing you're right about: the grumpy old men's fan club has fewer members each election.

      November 8, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  8. ColC

    Over the years I have been standing steady in the center. I consider myself a moderate who votes conservatively on budget and defense issues but usually more liberally on social issues. I feel the GOP abandoned me some years ago by allowing the extreme right to take over. I'm a retired senior Army officer and I live in Washington State where I voted for the gay marriage initiative here. Republicans are suppose to be for each of us taking responsibility for our own lives so why shouldn't a republican be for gay marriage? I grew up in an Eisenhower era republican household. I wish we could get the GOP back to that stance. After all – the party of Lincoln was a very moderate party. It was the republicans in 1862 that started the income tax. Why is the GOP against taxes now? The GOP must cast out the extreme elements. Let them do what they will but not as part of the party. If the GOP can do this I would feel welcomed to rejoin the party. Until then I will stand here with most americans in the center.

    November 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • JimmyAlex777

      ...and vote for wisdom and decency with fairness for all. VOTE DEMOCRATIC! Down with the Republican party. Kick them to the curb, for the trash they are!

      November 8, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Consequence

      Eisenhower would never have supported gay marriage – not even Adlai Stevenson would have supported it. You are part of the insipid decay that has set in in this country, but not to worry. You have plenty of company, especially in Washington State.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Madtown

      You are part of the insipid decay
      Right. What this country needs is more people like you, judgemental and hateful. That will fix things up. What happened in Wash State is the best news in a long time, Colorado too. If more people lit up once in awhile, there would be a lot less hate and anxiety in this world.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Consequence, gay people were not understood back then. There are many Republicans today that support freedom of choice and they are the same sort that were Republican 50 years ago. The far right would have all been Democrats 50 years ago.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said, "Eisenhower would never have supported gay marriage – not even Adlai Stevenson would have supported it. You are part of the insipid decay that has set in in this country, but not to worry. You have plenty of company, especially in Washington State."
      Considering that there is no rational argument to be made to prohibit same sex marriage, you seem to be part of the problem.

      Regarding same sex marriage, the issue is exceedingly easy. If you think your imaginary friend does not approve, you are left with two options (assuming you wish to remain moral). You can either not enter into a same sex marriage or, even better, get a decent imaginary friend.

      The question of same sex marriage has absolutely nothing to do with your delusion. Same sex marriage is entirely a question of secular law. If your social club doesn't want to participate, it is free to stay on the side lines.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      "COnsequence" is spot on.

      There is a right way and a wrong way. Society's building blocks are famly units : mom + dad + N kids.

      What if we build cells with nitrogen atoms rather than carbon atoms? will that also lead to life? understand the analogy?

      November 8, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • sam stone

      SOC: Society's building block is families. It doesn't have to be a man and a woman.

      November 8, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said, ""COnsequence" is spot on."
      Consequence is a bigot. Guess what that makes you for agreeing with him/her.

      You said, "There is a right way and a wrong way."
      True. The wrong way is to let a 2000 year old book of fairy tales determine what sane people can, or can't do.

      You said, "Society's building blocks are famly units : mom + dad + N kids."
      Or mom + mom + n kids, or dad + dad + n kids, or spouse and spouse without kids.

      You said, "What if we build cells with nitrogen atoms rather than carbon atoms? will that also lead to life? understand the analogy?"
      There are far more atoms involved than carbon and nitrogen. There are billions of different molecules. They all work together to make the world around us the way it is. I guess the best analogy for believers would be all the carcinogenics in the mix.

      Do you understand the analogy?

      November 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  9. JimmyAlex777

    I wish the religious wrong would just go away and die like an aging elephant.

    November 8, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Douglas

      The brainwashing process has been happening for a long time, education is the key to get them out from their cult.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  10. K from AZ

    With sadness in my heart, I’m watching the America of my youth and working life, of God-fearing and law-abiding people, being totally replaced by EVIL leaders elected by a majority of a foolish and ignorant population! America has finally completed its metamorphosis into a Godless and immoral cesspool of a nation upon which God yesterday, in my opinion, has indicated that He has turned His back on! I feel great sorrow for America but, now it has what it craved and now deserves: ENJOY (both this generation and the coming ones)!
    Turn from God at your own peril!

    November 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • JimmyAlex777

      You are showing signs of dementia, better get a checkup, dear. Our nation is getting much wiser and better not the other way around.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • mb2010a


      November 8, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Jon

      Wait, I'm a little confused by your logic. You said said that yesterday God "indicated He turned His back on us" (did I get all the capitals right?). I guess you mean he "indicated" this by letting Obama win the election. However, you also also seem to be claiming that Obama winning the election is the *reason* God turned His back on us.

      So is God's turning of the Holy Back a cause? an effect? both? Please clarify.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Huebert

      Please provide evidence for your god's existence.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Christy Parsons

      Wow – Hyperbole much? I voted for Obama and am not God-less. Keep your religion and your Ca-razy opinions to yourself. Christians have been about religious presecution since the Spanish Inquisition back in the 16th century for crying out loud. The Popes have withheld information to the general populace for centuries in their efforts to retain power. And their views on women? Please. And we are still hearing in this year of our Lord 2012 about the cover-ups and protection of priests molesting children remains rampant. Talk about God-less.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Sugarpunk

      It is written, there is no turning back. We are on the brink of the second coming. Dont be sad, be happy, Jesus will take his people and leave these foolish people to pay for their sins....God Bless and keep you eyes to the sky!

      November 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Eriberto Aguilar

      Both of the Americas you describe are figments of your imagination.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Ting

      I wonder how many times over the past 2,500 years that crap like this has been mentioned. It never ends.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Madtown

      God-fearing and law-abiding people
      Why on earth would anyone fear a God who loves them?

      November 8, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • LinCA

      @K from AZ

      So, let me get this straight. The President-elect is the same one that pulled the country from the brink of economic collapse. The Senate will be virtually unchanged after this election from what it has been over the last two years. The US House of Representatives will be virtually unchanged after this election from what it has been over the last two years. And yet, now, your imaginary friend has turned it's back on us?

      It may be time to revisit your medication dosage.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Pork Belly

      Amen. That is the truth. Well spoken.

      We are witnessing the beginning of the end times. America has been the only country on the world stage to stand for moral principles. Prepare for the complete moral decay and depravity that natural man will unleash across the world.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • B.

      There is a intelligent evolution away from the Mythologies of the past which are responsible for more hate, War, and deaths on the planet than any other cause.
      It does not mean a move away from Morality which is finally moving in a truth based consensual direction that is inclusive of All People, not just Christian belief.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • midwest rail

      " We are witnessing the beginning of the end times..." No, no we are not. Men have been predicting the end of days since roughly 40 A.D. They have all been wrong. So are you.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      This is a free country K from AZ, so you have every right to be blinded by religion, and I have every right to ignore you.

      November 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Tolerance 69

      @K from AZ
      So you feel America has changed so much from your past? Are you talking about the good old days when slavery was legal, women, racial minorities & gays were treated like second class citizens, segregation, lynching, back alley abortions & where only white, straight christian men were granted power? ahh yes, the good old days...

      November 8, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • sam stone

      "America has finally completed its metamorphosis into a Godless and immoral cesspool of a nation upon which God yesterday, in my opinion, has indicated that He has turned His back on!"

      You are delusional.

      Your empty proxy threats are nonsense

      Time to go meet Jeebus

      November 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      "It is written, there is no turning back. We are on the brink of the second coming. Dont be sad, be happy, Jesus will take his people and leave these foolish people to pay for their sins....God Bless and keep you eyes to the sky!"

      Your god is a vindictive, petty pr!ck

      November 8, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  11. AMP

    If all Christians believe in Jesus why there many different churches and why they alway fight amongh eachother. I think many fundamentalist have been using religion as their source of tax free income by brainwashing people and then emptying their wallets. Good Examples are watch Sunday TV. They are all over.

    November 8, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • biff

      Testify, Brother ! And while I am wiping away these tears of joy because the Lord loves me, please get out your credit card and make a donation of $10,000, $8,000, or if times are hard, $5,000. The Lord will personally come to your house during the Rapture and provide first-class transportation to Heaven fr you !

      November 8, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  12. Religion is not healthy for children and other living things

    Jesus never called the poor 'lazy,' fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, or asked a leper for a copay.

    November 8, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  13. News Flash

    All wishful thinking aside, fundamentalist Christians are a huge part of the GOP base.
    Without them, the GOP can't win an election and without the GOP, fundamentalists have nowhere to go.
    That said, fundamentalists will have control of the GOP for years to come. And for anyone that thinks the fundamentalist movement is slowing down, think again. As the elderly generation of conservatives die off, what's left of the GOP will slide even farther to the right. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!l

    November 8, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Jim H

      Then the GOP is doomed.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • JimmyAlex777


      November 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • 1OftheSheep

      Well if the fundamentalists, evangelicals, snake handlers and town-to-town traveling preachers "reviving" something want to caucus with the Republicans, that's fine. But it's long past tine to pry the grasping fingers of THEIR collective voice from the steering wheel and pull the party back out of the ditch they drove it into.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • avacon

      If that's so, then the GOP's influence will lessen with each passing year until it disappears. The party is out of touch with the majority (an ever-increasing majority) of Americans. This isn't a new occurance – party's come and go; remember the Whigs? They were a big deal back in the day but now just a historical footnote. The extreme right is in its death throes.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      They have a simple choice: Maintain their stranglehold on the Republican party and lose forevermore or allow their party to moderate and become national winners again.

      Its their choice to make. Either way, their imagined takeover of our country ended yesterday.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  14. AMP

    The best thing for the better world is to keep away Religion and Religious Leasders particularly those who are fanatics religious leaders. They divide the people based on faith, spoils the political system and are trouble makers around the world.

    November 8, 2012 at 11:53 am |
  15. kyphi

    Jesus did not force anyone to believe as he did. Instead, he led by example in caring for the poor, the elderly, the sick and not passing judgment on others. I see little of that in the "Christian" right. They do not represent all Christians. Check out Faithful America for a refreshing and reassuring look at people of faith.

    November 8, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • staunch independent

      Thanks for your insightful comment kyphi. I couldn't agree more...

      November 8, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • JimmyAlex777

      Have faith in divine righteousness but never let that faith be hijacked by religion, ever!

      November 8, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      If you only know of the very vocal right-wing you would think the last Christian died on the cross. Luckily I know and have known some very good people that are members of Christian churches. Most of the "Christians" posting here would probably claim they are not Christian though since they believe in social justice, pluralism and personal freedom.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  16. Pete

    THE FAT LADY IS SINGING!!!!!!!!!!!! HEAR HER???? IT'S OVER! The religious right should not have ANY influence on politics AT ALL unless they pay their fair share of taxes....otherwose SHUT UP!

    November 8, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  17. Richard

    The majority of these fundamentalist are the elderly white who will be leaving this earth soon because of their age. These are such bitter people. Why did they allow themselves to become consumed by religion, which has destroyed their happiness?

    November 8, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • biff

      They are so bitter because the populace used to think like they did. That is why they say that they want their country back. As the demographic cotinues to change and these people die off, the conservative far right will be either irrelevant or forced to embrace those true Christian ideals of loving and accepting their neighbors in a country not founded upon Christian beliefs but tolerance for all faiths.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  18. Reality

    Only for new members of this blog:-–>>>>

    As noted many times before the election:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.


    And to appeal to the Immoral/Stupid Majority, Obama and Axelrod filled the airways with pro- Roe vs. Wade, pro-choice/abortion ads during the last two weeks of the campaign.


    November 8, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the new members of this blog:

      The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnositic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
      Followed by:
      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      November 8, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Jeebus

      For someone named Reality you seem pretty far detached from it. You're right that proper birth control methods would reduce the number of abortions, but the conservative Christians won't let schools teach their kids how to use condoms or birth control. They also refuse to let women use health insurance to cover the cost of birth control (even though they have no problem providing coverage for men to get Viagra).

      And since you're clearly such a good little Bible reader, I'm sure you already know that Genesis 2:7 defines life as beginning upon taking your first breath, Exodus 21:22-25 states that the death of a fetus should be treated as destruction of property and not murder, and Numbers 5:11-31 explicitly gives instructions on how to perform an abortion. Not even your own bible which you claim to love so much agrees with you on abortion. No one is asking you to like it, but it's time you learned to deal with other people not believing the same things that you believe.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Reality

      Obviously, Jeebus failed to see this in the commentary on the Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      "from an agnositic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-"

      And as per the Guttmacher Insti-tute:

      "• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use."

      It is therefore not a problem with education but a problem with women and men being very irresponsible and being very stupid.


      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate) – RCC approved
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)- RCC approved
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) (RCC approved) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent) –
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent) – RCC approved

      November 8, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  19. ME II

    We have a party that is liberal socially and governmentally.
    We have a party that is conservative socially and governmentally.

    I wish we had a party that was conservative governmentally and liberal socially.

    November 8, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      The Libertarians perhaps?

      The Republicans have moved a long way apart from the conservative movement of Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley.

      November 8, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • ME II

      @ !aGOPer,
      Yeah, Libertarian is the closest currently, it's problem is that it isn't practical/viable/electable. e.g. No IRS, No DOEd, No SSA, etc.

      Yes, how (current) Republicans can reconcile conservative government with laws enforcing conservative social values is beyond me.

      November 8, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Jeebus

      Couldn't agree more, you can't call yourself a fiscal conservative AND believe the government should enforce conservative social values. It takes a massive government (employing terrible methods) to legislate morality in the bedroom, in the pews, in the classroom and in the doctors office.

      November 8, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  20. Anne112

    The GOP has to distance itself from christian social conservatism. If it does not it will continue to be on the losing side of elections.

    November 8, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • jsell111

      agree... and they can't do that by runnung a guy that believes MO is the location of the garden of eden and whose church leader found gold tablets and magic glasses to read them by. what are they going to try next... a scientologist????

      November 8, 2012 at 11:30 am |
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