November 7th, 2012
08:21 AM ET

Election results raise questions about Christian right's influence

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.

On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.

“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.

“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”

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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”

A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.

Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.

Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.

Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.

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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.

Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.

“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.

Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.

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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.

“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.

Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry - a former altar boy - lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.

Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.

The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.

In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.

Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.

In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”

Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.

Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”

“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Christianity • Politics

soundoff (4,434 Responses)
  1. Wilbur Scheissmann

    The destruction of Fire Island and NYC is just the beginning of God's wrath against the wicked godless who have turned their backs on God and Israel. God will not forget the DNC during which he was booed and laughed at.

    November 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Douglas

      Wilbur... shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere?

      November 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • jim

      lol God doesn't create weather.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      So what you're saying Wilbur is that your big brother is gonna beat us up for hurting your feelings. And boy! will we be sorry then!

      That's so cute.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • wabob62

      Your fire and brimstone hatedred is getting old I'am not a reigious person and I feel that GOD will punish people like you and your ilk for condemining and judging people. It seems that you and your taliban hoarde only care about your own souls and well being and not of the people who need help in life, you fail miserbly as a christian or a person of faith. Your type create more hate and sorrow than anybody in this world.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  2. MagicPanties

    My invisible pink unicorn is praying that the christian right gets a clue.

    November 9, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  3. Reality

    Why the Christian Right continues to dwindle in influence and number:

    The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    (references used are available upon request)

    November 9, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Instead of living in denial, give God a try, you might be surprised. Psalm 34:8, O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Douglas

      @Robert... I think there's a question of plausibility. Are you sure you want to invoke denial here? If so, look in the mirror.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Simran

      Maybe, you could do some reading beyond the psalms for a change....


      November 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I looked in the mirror of God’s word and agreed with him. I was a sinner and still am, the only difference is that by his grace through faith I have been forgiven and reconciled to him. It is a free gift, available to you, reality, simran, and all who will believe. God is good and his mercy endures forever.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Simran

      So you find GOD in the psalms. Are you as tolerant of the Muslim who says he finds Allah in the Quran?

      November 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I am tolerant and believe that God will keep his promise to the children of Ishmael.

      November 9, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Simran

      Glad to see someone tolerant of other's faith. But just wondering, why is God HE? Not she?
      I sometimes wonder what makes people believe in God, how religion must have first begun in different cultures? Isn't it interesting to understand how different cultures relate to a God concept in widely different ways? The Hindus have an entirely different concept, the Buddhists were largely influenced by Hinduism but yet diverted to state that there is no creator deity, the Jains have somewhat similar concept. Then the Abrahamic religions stem from a common root,but vary along their development. The native religions come up with an entirely different concept. And then there is Zeus and others.....

      November 9, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Simran

      Like you say GIve God a Try – well, I would simply say, yes, I get your point. God is faith. Some have it, those who do that in a way that influences them positively, good for them. But those who get blinded by it... well, history is full of bloodshed.
      Some don't feel the need for faith in an imaginary creation of their minds, or the minds of their ancestors.

      Let's just for a moment assume, you were not born into the family that you were, but into a Hindu family. You would then have been a believer of Brahma and not Christ... or so on.

      November 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Reality

      "Kiboshing" all religions in less than ten seconds.

      (only for the new members)

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      Added details available upon written request.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      November 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  4. axaxaxax

    Just as the hollywood left cost the democrats in the 2004 election, the religious right cost the republicans in the 2012 election.

    November 9, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  5. Shamgar

    The Lord Jesus Christ told us centuries ago, "...And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled:for alll these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:and there shall be famines, and pestiilences (diseases for which there is no cure), and earthquakes, in divers (different) places." (Matthew 24:6-7) The Christian "right" has nothing to do with the fulfillment of
    God's plan. Democrats and Republicans are just small cogs in the wheel of Divine Justice that grinds slowly but surely..

    November 9, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Chris

      Well the great kazoo once said *Insert random quote that means nothing here*. Which means we should *insert person's personal opinion on something here*.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Ben

      We have always had wars. Would you have been impressed with a prophecy of "There will be meals"?

      November 9, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Randy

      Captain Kirk said, "What does God need with a spaceship?" So, I win.

      If "there's gonna be wars and diseases" is a prophecy, then so is "the sun'll come out tomorrow." Annie is a prophet!

      November 9, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The ancient prophecies shall be fulfilled anon!
      "The age of evil has come to the world . Everyone steals and hoards great wealth, and sensual sin rules the day. The end of the world is at hand – yet men are hard and cruel, and listen not to the doom that is coming . No one heeds the cries of his neighbour, or lifts a hand to save."
      The End is upon us! Repent, sinners! Repent and proclaim your love for the King of Gods!
      Only the mercy of Odin can save you from Ragnarok!

      November 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  6. johnny

    Can't wait to get my free phone! Gimmiedat....gimmiedat.

    November 9, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • want2believe

      Google "The Obama Phone?" at FactCheck org. Educate yourself.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  7. K-switch

    So let me see if I understand. The religious right takes money that could be used to feed the poor and uses it to fund a candidate who intends to cut programs that feed the poor. And they also are against abortion and birth control, so more poor people are reproducing and making more poor people that the Christian right does not want to help. That about right?

    November 9, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Chris

      No one ever said logic and reason were religious people's forte.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • Tom

      Wonderfully put!

      November 9, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Havildar

      K – switch you hit the nail on the coffin of the nutty right wing Christians.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Sammy

      Somewhere deep down, I guess, they think that poor people must just be being "tested" by God, like Job. If they don't manage to make themselves rich they must have failed God's little test because Job got everything he lost, and more, back by passing. Therefore, the real poor must be wicked people who have rejected God in some way and get what they deserve. There certainly is enough bigotry against welfare and those who depend upon social programs to suggest this. Also, for Republicans, it's certainly a "blessing" to make it rich in this country, which makes it a sin not to. Lots seem to see it as just a simple matter of hard work vs laziness.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  8. Raj Alexander

    Look, fact is GOP lost the election and I voted for Gov.Romney as I did not feel that the President is capable.Have said that , the election is over , I pray that this President does well for the sake of our country and its people but all this talk about Christian right being dead is really overblown.The fact is God is still in absolute control and it is what it is for a reason .If God can use a rock to glorify his name he can surely use Barack Obama and will not need the Christian right! .So lets move on.

    November 9, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Andrew Harris

      It's questionable as to whether Obama actually won. Take this into consideration. It is illegal to be publicly intoxicated, yet in a number of these states there were obviously people who were high on marijuana voting. A person can't testify in court legally if they are intoxicated or suffering from certain times of mental disorders, rendering them incompetent, depending. That with the voter fraud schemes that were being foiled before election day, the number of people suffering from PTSD from having just survived a horrible hurricane, leaves me wondering whether or not Barrack Obama actually did win. They say there is no law about whether or not you can vote while intoxicated, but in all reality, that is a perversion of how voting is supposed to be handled in this country. So did Barrack Obama win, or did a lot of illegal immigrants vote while they were high as a kite? As well as a bunch of people of other races who were too high to be able to make a competent decision that day. Something to think about, and it'd also be a good thing to bring before the supreme court. By the way, I'm a Christian.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • jean

      You are a gracious,, sensable person Raj. More people should be like you and try to unite this country instead of pulling it apart with their viciousness. On the other hand, there is Andrew who is the perfect example of those who are devisive. He has decided, in all his wisdom, that surely those who voted for President Obama were impaired in some way.. Yes! thats the ticket! They were drunk, or drugged or had PTSD...yes, that msut be it! He could tell! Good grief, Perhaps Andrew was delusional when he thought that Romney was the answer to his prayers.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • want2believe

      @andrew Seriously? lol

      November 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • ME II

      @Raj Alexander,
      Well said... except the part about God.

      @Andrew Harris,
      Well POEsed. lol

      November 9, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  9. alpeaston

    The Religious Right has never been either – religious or right! Bigots and hypocrite who line their pockets with the ill gotten gains of bigotry. Your time is over, GO AWAY!

    November 9, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Andrew Harris

      My family helped end slavery. Abraham Lincoln was a republican. All Christians. I can't attest for every person who voted for the right wing, but I can say that for certain. Bigotry happens amongst every demographic. It's a very sad side of ethnocentrism. I hang out with anyone who will have me, but the sad thing about all that is a good number of times it's the black folk in these hyar parts doing the bigoting. By the way, Abraham Lincoln was the first 3rd party president. The republic party's first president. Checkest thine facts.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • want2believe

      @andrew Ideologies of parties change over time. Which party do you really think Lincoln would align himself with today? The republicans were once a very respectable party. They concerns of conservatism, small government are completely valid (although the GOP is equally fiscally irresponsible). However the radical social agenda based on the projection of their religion on to others, remarkable alienation of minorities, and refusal to utter the word compromise I, and many, feel lost them the election and numerous senate seats.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  10. mattski

    Christians will not and should not lose influence within their Church. Outside of that, I don't want them forcing their belief system on me, TYVM.

    November 9, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Live4Him

      Should you be able to force your beliefs on Christians?

      November 9, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Chris

      An atheist has no beliefs to push. Belief requires faith...faith is believing without evidence. We are simply asking that you people stop trying to make this country yours. There are already many unjust religious laws on the books in my state(Texas) and I directly blame every religious person for it. Maybe you didn't do it, but you are the in and of the same mindset. You don't really care about freedom..you only care about people that believe what you do.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • jean

      Live, That is the point of our how our country was formed, Freedom of religion. You can go to the church or temple of your choice and once you enter those doors , pray the way you want,, believe what you like, marry who you like..or not..and short of sacrificing babies, the government says nothing about it. However, when you step oustide the walls of your church or home , I don't want you telling me what I"M supposed to believe or how I should pray. Yet there are those of you who persist in shoving your religious views down everyones throat. Government should be concerned with peoples civil rights but that does not include legislating religious behavior or views.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Ben

      People aren't rounding up women and forcing them to have abortions, but Christians would like to force women to carry pregnancies against their will. We're talking about honouring the religious beliefs of people who believe differently than yourself, people who do not see abortion as being immoral. If you respect freedom of religion, or freedom from religion then you have to respect other people's choices.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • baelknight

      Someone please explain to me how the christians are being persecuted and how non-christians are shoving their beliefs down their throat?

      I don't understand this.

      Is not having a biblical government equal to being persecuted? Is not having a biblical government equal to non christians shoving their rights down their throat?

      Did I miss where all people should be considered equal? Why then would it be ok to have a biblical government that favors one religion over others?

      November 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
  11. SaltyBob

    Election results raise questions about Christian right's influence
    Yes its on its way out. EVOLUTION!!!!!

    November 9, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Ben

      Yes, the ones with more compassion will raise more like themselves, hopefully!

      November 9, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • Live4Him

      @Ben: hat compassion?

      November 9, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Ben

      Why should I be surprised that folks like you don't know the meaning of the word "compassion"?

      November 9, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  12. DaveM

    One can only hope that the influence these religious extremists have is waning in politics. Let's face it, politics is dirty. Anyone who gets involved in politics gets dirty. Is this really what we want for our churches? Take Ralph Reed, for instance. He has made it clear in his actions and words that he craves power. Nothing wrong with that, just don't try to hide it behind the shield of Christianity to increase your credibility. He's what I call a "small 'c' christian". People who tell you they are Christian, but aren't living their lives according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Real Christians don't have to tell you they are Christians; you can tell they are by the way they live their lives. I expect that from my elected officials. "I'm so glad you TOLD me what a good Christian you are – judging by your actions I never would have known!"

    November 9, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Ben

      We hoped that the Taliban would go away too, but hatred has a way of festering and spreading no matter what you do.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • Chris

      Ben...all it takes is a bit of reading to understand that the reason they hate us is because we are over there.

      Would you allow another country to take over and kick your doors in? Maybe a group of Americans attacked their country and they want to find the extremist group right? You don't mind the Pakistani military searching your homes and dropping bombs in your country do you?

      November 9, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Ben

      The Taliban and other Mid-East extremists hate America for the same reasons why the Christian Right hates gays, atheists and the rest on their long list. It's a distraction away from everything that's wrong within their own philosophy, and it gives simple folks an "enemy" to be rallied under by opportunistic power-seekers.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:53 am |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    November 9, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • TrollAlert

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      "pervert alert" is the degenerate.

      This troll is not a christian.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs`

      November 9, 2012 at 10:02 am |
    • Huebert

      Your belief in predestination makes your claim inconsistent with your own world view.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • and as always

      This poster keeps proving they are a loser since they spend all their time on this blog, using multiple handles and don't have a life. What a loser.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Huebert


      1) This is my only handle
      2) How many handles do you have? Remember your God knows when you lie.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  14. pbi

    I always believed it was a myth but money will buy a lot of media. The exit polls from CNN of this election showed it is a myth. We need to move on. THe Republicans have done a snow job on the South for far too long. Let's start electing some progressive Democratic governors in the South.

    November 9, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  15. TeaPatriot

    why are we not deporting all the illegals?

    November 9, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      and amending our laws to not make those born to illegals in this country as citizen. That amendment was a response to some racists who tried to make kids of african americans as not citizen, surely it wasnt meant to protect someone who sneaks into thsi country, takes someone elses SSN (which is a felony by itself if done by a legal resident), and starts working. We are the only first world country with birth citizenship.

      November 9, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • phil

      Are you angry prissy?? I can not tell you how much I 'm enjoying listening to you mindless trailer trash suffer. Please keep posting. Please?

      November 9, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • niknak

      How are you going to do that?
      There are over 5 milion, and that number is probably on the low side.
      You claim you are a tea party person, who is for smaller government and all that bull, yet you want to start a government program to try and round up 5 million plus people and deport them. Really?
      But yes, keep listening to your Fix news and Flemball, and keep posting, we can all use the laughs.

      November 9, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      Other than the ad hominem attack, anyone cares to comment on why I am not wrong? for example, how can we force the federal govt to do its job and deport every one of the 12 million illegals?

      November 9, 2012 at 9:53 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      Go to goo.gl/Bs7CA for a human face to the problem.

      November 9, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Ben

      "why are we not deporting all the illegals?"

      Lucky for all of us that the indians didn't think of doing this, eh?

      November 9, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • efeabbe

      Your question is a valid question.
      The actual implementation of deporting all people here illegally would be a resource nightmare.
      People with illegal presence are not only from South American countries but also from Europe, South East Asia and Africa.

      The degeneration of the discussions on illegal immigration have always been because of the extremely biased tilt (or appearance of bias) as targeting only Hispanics, a la Arizona.

      What needs to happen is the discussion of decisiive immigration reform options ranging from extreme of freezing immigration to standardizing the process like the UK, Canada and Australia for highly skilled immigrants to join the work force.

      What all this talk about amnesty or no amnesty or deportation has done is basically left all people stuck in the mess of what is now the current LEGAL immigration process out of the picture.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • efeabbe

      Your question is a valid question.
      The actual implementation of deporting all people here illegally would be a resource nightmare.
      People with illegal presence are not only from South American countries but also from Europe, South East Asia and Africa.

      The degeneration of the discussions on illegal immigration have always been because of the extremely biased tilt (or appearance of bias) as targeting only Hispanics, a la Arizona.

      What needs to happen is the discussion of decisive immigration reform options ranging from extreme of freezing immigration to standardizing the process like the UK, Canada and Australia for highly skilled immigrants to join the work force.

      What all this talk about amnesty or no amnesty or deportation has done is basically left all people stuck in the mess of what is now the current LEGAL immigration process out of the picture.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • WASP

      @tea: why should you care if someone comes here legal or not? they don't steal "your" job. they tend to work in the migratory or lower end jobs, like house cleaner; which most americans feel is beneth them to even think of working.
      they pay taxes like the rest of us, they just can't file to get their taxes back at the end of the year......unlike most others.
      most of their children go to college, or atleast try to then go into the work force like the rest of us.

      if folks spent more time focusing on real problmes and less on whom was where, america may be a nice place to live again.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      testing 1

      November 9, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Andrew Harris

      There's too many people buying dope from a number of them. I understand people end up here because of political reasons, refugees, but there's a good number of people here for the wrong reason altogether. Some of them are natural born citizens. Some of them should be deported too. It'd help us all a good bit if people started ratting all these crack dealers and dirty cops out.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      see enn enn blocking me. tried 3 times then tried the 'testing 1' above. ketword based c3nsorsh1p

      November 9, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      the kinds of responses I got

      1. @Phil reponses like yours, I say bigotry.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • TeaPatriot

      2. What if the indians deported all illegals? A: this is pre-history, and frankly I bet there are indians in reservations asking this question. I can go all alarmist but it does not help in this discussion.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Stan

      WASP said: 'why should you care if someone comes here legal or not? they don't steal "your" job.'

      Of course they don't try to steal TeaPatriot's job... there is no money to be made from ranting on the internet in Mom's basement.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • TeaPatriot

      stan and WASP

      Again, bigotry. no worse than what you call social values voters. I tried to write a point about that but CNN wont allow me to.

      November 9, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Helpful Hints

      TeaPatriot, C'mon, you know about these:

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters or some html tricks to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in racc-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, sopho-more, etc.
      ho-oters…as in sho-oters
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      inf-orms us…
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-oon… as in sp-oon, lamp-oon, harp-oon
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sm-ut…..as in transm-utation
      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, t-itle, ent-ity, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, salt-water, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      There's another phrase that someone found, "wo-nderful us" (have no idea what sets that one off).

      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.

      November 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Ben

      From "Homer The Father"

      Apu: Mr. Homer, you inadvertently left your nuclear power plant ID in the birthday card rack.
      Homer: I can't lose that, it's the best picture I have.
      Apu: I am more concerned with global terrorism. America's enemies would give anything for your nuclear knowledge.
      Homer: Yeah. I do know a lot about nuclears.
      Apu: And America has so many enemies: Iran, Iraq, China, Mordor, the hoochies that laid low Tiger Woods, undesirable immigrants, by which I mean everyone that came after me, including my children.

      Everyone thinks that they deserved to be let in, but can't stand the thought of anyone else getting what they got. I saw a story where they speculated that most citizens couldn't pass an immigration test.

      November 9, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • TeaPatriot

      I'll pass. too busy at work to craft responses that get beyond see enn enn's w0rd f1lters. Believe it or not, I have a 50K+ job, own 200K+ house .. will say do your own research about illegal immigration and meat packing plants. it will open your eyes.

      November 9, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  16. kousa

    One of the reasons why people voted for the president is because they saw through all the hypocrisy coming from so-called christian conservatives. It was perfectly okay to support a Mormon candidate who had a propensity to lie through his teeth while at the same time being deceptive. I don't think Christ would have approved of all the hate, lies, deception, hypocrisy and racial attacks aimed at the president. Thank God for the many true believers who rose above the hypocrisy and voted for an honest, decent, family man like President Barack Obama. At least people know what he stands for. It is also apparent that Romney is a good, decent family man but what he lacked was integrity. People saw that he was going to do anything and everything, even if it meant going along with the racist, to win the presidency. I will very bad for Mitt that he didn't see this coming. I hope that he will recover quickly. I wish him the best in life. Just not in politics.

    November 9, 2012 at 9:26 am |
  17. Karl

    To all he Christians...

    You're always the first to say "God has a plan for everyone" or "God works in mysterious ways" then you claim America turns its back on "God" Tuesday? Wouldn't it have been God's plan for Obama to be re-elected? If there was truly a problem wih it, wouldn't "God" have done something to prevent this from happening? Get real, get some logic, put the book down it's messing you up!

    November 9, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Just Saying

      God is not only Sovereign, He is a disciplinarian. Just because He allows something to happen, doesn't mean it will make us prosper.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Mike

      Karl, you're trying to use logic to reason with people who believe in a sky fairy and pick and choose which sets of words they want to believe out of the Bible and disregard the rest. It's kind of pointless. 😉

      November 9, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Ben

      Just Saying
      I'm sure that Stalin and Mao saw themselves as "disciplinarians" rather than ruthless tyrants too. That's the great thing about having your history written by your followers and not your victims. Imagine what the Canaanites would have said about God, you know, had any of them actually survived their encounter with his followers.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • mk

      I'm not sure 'disciplinarian' is the correct word. Discipline is taking a toy away or denying a privilege. Discipline is NOT throwing your own creation into fiery pits. That's just downright mean.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Live4Him

      Read the Bbile. This has happened before.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Live4Him

      @mk When you work on a project, like sewing an outfit, some parts are kept and other part are discarded.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Ben

      That implies that God is like a human crafter, making mistakes and creating waste, right? One would think that the creator of the universe, who supposedly created all species without any trial and error, would be more efficient than that.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • AaaaCccc

      Very true. And if the so called Christians actually read the OT, the examples of leaders as discipline were to be respected and followed short of worship. Daniel great example. How many in the Christian right would be Daniels to Obama?

      November 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  18. Karl

    Since my last message was apparently to revealing, as it seems to have been blocked. All I was trying to point out is that religion is BS. Christianity stole everything. All you Christians driving around with a Jesus fish on your car, it's a Pagan symbol! The bible is stolen, the holidays were stolen, The cross was stolen, "Hell" is stolen, even Christ was stolen. It's all Pagan people, everything practice and custom you do. So people need to really slow their roles down.

    November 9, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • DM

      “Atheism, a religion dedicated to its own sense of smug superiority.” – Stephen Colbert

      You're not enlightened, like you would have everyone believe, just cynical.

      November 9, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • Chat Pata

      @DM Stephen Colbert plays the role of a Republican alter ego of Jon Stewart. He was just quoting Republicans.

      November 9, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • Mike

      DM: Stephen Colbert is a character made of sarcasm through the lens of the right-wing media...

      November 9, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Chris

      @DM Really? Because Colbert said that you think it's true? Atheism is not a religion...it's a lack of it. You people really need to start understanding words a bit better. It's not rocket science. A theist...think about it A.....Theist. The opposite of a religious person that believes in god.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Ben

      We are distrustful of some religious people's sincerity and integrity because they do things like lie about evolution and the morality of everyone who doesn't share their faith. It's not being cynical to call a spade a spade.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
  19. Dave

    I don't get it. If you believe that a life is a life it shouldn't matter how that life was conceived, yet we have republicans parsing it out. At least Murdock said what he believed which is brave of him. But, when republicans want to get rid of abortions except for certain situations then I wonder how the christian right can support them when a life is a life.

    November 9, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Sammy

      And for the Christian Right a life is a life unless you're on death row, an Arab in the Mid East, or a black boy walking with his hood up in Florida.

      November 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
  20. Casey

    What I truly don't get is the Christian following of the Republican party – take McCain for example, a Christian? The Republican's have high-jacked the Christian faith so much that they blindly follow whomever they nominate. Christians have to stop falling for the Republican game. EG They will never overturn Roe v Wade (even if in full power), why would they lose a reelection card? AND – they need to stop listening to those MEGA Church preachers who have their own agenda for promoting Republicans. $$$$$$

    November 9, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • Jim

      Right -like Reverend right- He is also a christian but he said it God Damn America- I think that is what happened hear. In 3 years when you can't get a doctors appointment and many doctors only take cash or credit because they can't function under the new plan you will be sorry for the day you signed up for this.
      If Christians followed the republican party then Obama would not be in office.. more woman voted for Obama and more people under the age of 30.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • Grace

      Thanks! Casey. As a born-again Christian, I keep wondering why these Mega Church preachers will call for prayers for a Republican President but not for a Democrat. I watched these preachers pray for President Bush every single day when he was in the White House but have refused to pray for Barak Obama till this day.

      For the record; every Christian is not a blind follower and those praying for the nation knew Barak Obama will become president in 2008. Only Almighty God knows the heart of Barak Obama; eventhough Obama is not perfect; just like King David in the bible.

      Let's humble ourselves and obey God by praying for President Obama and all politicians, then the land will be healed.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • guest

      From one Christian to another – You couldn't have said it better!!!

      November 9, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Chris

      I contend that the religious have high jacked the republican party. IT used to be respected but over the last 50+ years it's been turned into a religious nutters dream.

      November 9, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Reality

      The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic male who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
      Followed by:
      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      November 9, 2012 at 11:50 am |
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