Liberal Catholics use election results to battle bishops
Archbishop Timothy Dolan sounded a nuanced tone on politics at a recent bishops meeting.
November 13th, 2012
03:02 PM ET

Liberal Catholics use election results to battle bishops

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Emboldened by the re-election of President Barack Obama, a cadre of liberal Catholic activists and groups is waging a campaign alleging that America's Catholic bishops are out of touch with Catholic laypeople.

The Catholic bishops, who are in Baltimore this week for a quarterly meeting, spoke out against the Obama administration during the election cycle over what they said were White House violations of religious freedom.

Some bishops also spoke out against legalized gay marriage and abortion rights, positions embraced by many Republicans.

A Sunday opinion piece in the National Catholic Reporter by Thomas Reese, a Jesuit priest at Georgetown University, hammered the bishops for their public proclamations during the campaign, saying the church leaders' “political strategy … is not working.”

“A majority of Catholics voted for Obama, and gay activists won every referendum,” Reese wrote, referring to initiatives legalizing gay marriage in Maine, Maryland and Washington.

Exit polls showed that Catholics narrowly voted for Obama, by 50% to 48%.

Reese also noted that Republican Senate candidates in Missouri and Indiana who voiced very conservative lines on abortion were defeated.

Catholics United and Catholics for Choice, two liberal Catholic groups, released statements around the meeting decrying the bishops' “failures” during the 2012 campaign.

“The bishops had a miserable return on investment of Catholic people's money and we demand an accounting of how they spent it campaigning on measures that Catholics clearly did not support,” wrote Catholics for Choice President Jon O'Brien.

Catholics United is delivering a petition to the Catholic bishops that calls on them to "reconsider their alliance with the Republican Party and refocus their attention on caring for the poor and vulnerable.”

In remarks to the 250 bishops assembled in Baltimore, bishops conference President Timothy Dolan touched on politics, sounding a nuanced tone.

“The premier answer to the question ‘What's wrong with the world? What's wrong with the church?’ is not politics, the economy, secularism, sectarianism, globalization or global warming,” Dolan said.

"The answer to the question ‘What's wrong with the world?’ is just two words: ‘I am,' ” he continued, quoting author G.K. Chesterton.

Other archbishops at the meeting seemed to double down on the fight for religious liberty and same-sex marriage, according to the Catholic News Service.

Archbishop William E. Lori of Baltimore, in a report to a committee on religious liberty, stated that “whatever setbacks or challenges in the efforts to defend religious liberty we may be experiencing, we're going to stay the course.”

San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore J. Cordileone addressed the spate of successful gay marriage initiatives, saying that “people don't understand what marriage is.”

“This is not a time to give up but rather a time to redouble our efforts,” he said.

The fight between liberal and conservative factions of the Catholic Church has been simmering for years, playing out in parishes, in college campuses and on the national political stage, with the vice presidential candidacy of two Catholics: Joe Biden and Paul Ryan.

In their sole debate together, Biden and Ryan gave different reads on how their faith shaped their politics. Biden focused on Catholic social teaching about helping the poor while Ryan talked about his belief that life begins at conception.

Steve Schneck, a Catholic University scholar who was supportive of Obama's candidacy, disagreed with liberals who are criticizing the bishops, saying most bishops did not weigh in on the election.

"Only a handful of bishops were involved, and it is about the same number that was involved in 2008,” he said.

“Most Catholics, whether they are politically liberal or politically conservative, are not interested in seeing their priests become politically involved,” said Schneck, the Obama campaign’s national co-chairman for Catholics. "They want their parishes and archdioceses to become politics-free zones.”

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Catholic Church • Politics

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  1. God's Oldest Dreamer

    First off – anal sex is not a bad thing to practice and it is not just a gay thing! But there are couple of things you should know before getting down to it.

    You and your partner should be both willing and be ready to have anal sex. If your partner is not ready or feel overwhelmed with the idea of having anal sex, don’t be pushy and give it time.

    One of the first concerns are – is anal sex clean? Answer – YES and No! If you have feel that you have to go for #2 I’d recommend not to have anal sex. If you just went for #2, take a shower and you should be ready to go.

    To be absolutely sure you should maybe clean yourself with an Enema. 😉

    Love Lettuce,
    Love Let Us,

    November 13, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
  2. RJS

    A terrible article. This meeting had nothing to do with the election. The bishops statements have nothing to do with the election. The bishops don't care who people voted for. They care about policies, not candidates. Which is why they care about Physician Assisted Suicide in Mass. I am not sure why media outlets (USA today has a similar story) are trying to antagonize the Catholic Church by pointing out supposed riffs among the followers. The bishops are well aware that only 30 percent of their flock goes to mass.
    The only major "political" thing the Church cares about is the HHS mandate. Why, because we want to be left alone, we do not want the government to force us to do something which violates our conscience.
    For those who think religion and Catholic faith has nothing to do with the law, you clearly did not understand Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. I dare one of those who feel that religion has no place in the law to read the Letter from a Birmingham Jail about the role of faith, religion, and the law. There are something issues that are non-negotiable, regardless of faith, one of which is Civil Rights. Is abortion a civil rights issue? You bet, the first right, is the right to life. You cannot chastise the Catholic Church for its views on seeking to bring her ideas to the public square and not do them same with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    November 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      A big part of your problem here is understanding that your definition of "life" is not universal. In fact, it's not even majority. If the church wishes to isolate itself from the rest of society, it should return to the cloister and devote itself to prayer.

      November 18, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  3. BantamBlog

    ...“The bishops had a miserable return on investment of Catholic people's money and we demand an accounting of how they spent it campaigning on measures that Catholics clearly did not support,” wrote Catholics for Choice President Jon O'Brien...

    First off, how much money of parish donations was actually spent on the said “campaigning” by the Catholic bishops? Any money that was used in the efforts to support certain campaign topics (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) would certainly have come from separate donations with that specific intention in mind. In the age where the Catholic Church is shutting down schools and parishes due to budget constraints, there hardly seems to be substantial amounts of money left to allocate towards political campaigns.

    Secondly, is it the jobs of the Catholic bishops to support whatever the popular majority of ‘practicing’ Catholics support? With a slim margin of 2% in favor of President Obama, Catholics voted for the candidate whose positions on controversial social issues are not in alignment with the Catholic Church. The bishops are given the responsibility to inform people of and defend the Catholic Church of Rome’s stance on these social issues. Just because people don’t necessarily agree with the Church does not mean that the Church should change their views. Catholics for Choice President Jon O’Brien completely missed the boat as his statement fails to demonstrate any understanding of the structure of the Catholic Church. Catholic doctrine, the Pope, and the college of bishops determine where the Church stands on these issues, not a popular vote among lay Catholics.

    November 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
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  4. Reality

    Dear RCC bishops,

    For your next sermon-

    The reality of se-x, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy (ex-Catholic) who enjoys intelligent se-x-
    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
    – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
    Followed by:
    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

    November 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
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      November 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
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    • Who invited me?

      The Tom Tom special sounds hard to swallow...appropriately named.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  6. realbuckyball

    Oh great. Jolly Timmy pays another visit to CNN.
    I do like his purple tablecloth. But where is his pointy helmet ?
    That black smudge from last Lent, really should come off soon. Did he use a Sharpie ?

    November 13, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • On the Throne

      The purple disguises the wine stains, as an old Irish boozer he can get away with wine breath but Jameson Irish Whiskey is going to far, at least during the day.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
  7. God's Oldest Dreamer

    When it comes to universal human activities, nothing is more overlooked than post-defecation clean up. But does everyone perform this common behavior the same way? Of course not. So surely some techniques are more effective than others.

    Be sure you have completed your bowel movement prior to wiping commencement. This spares you unnecessary repetition of the procedure.

    Now you can begin wiping. It is important that you remain seated for the duration of the procedure, as this ensures proper area coverage and meticulous cleansing. Start out with a decent size wad of tissue; three balled-up squares should be plenty.

    Reach around and behind your butt, and lean onto the opposing cheek.

    Wipe with the pointer, middle, and ring fingers of your acting hand under the toilet paper. Have your middle finger slightly raised with your pointer and ring fingers resting partially behind.

    Use moderate pressure and wipe at a cautious speed from front to back. Continue with this step, using the same size wad of tissue, until the amount of remnants on the paper decreases by fifty percent.

    When obvious progress has been made, the amount of tissue required should be reduced. Two crumpled squares should be enough at this stage. 😉

    Love Lettuce,
    Love Let Us,

    November 13, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Akira

      What is UP with you, Lettuce?
      Yesterday, lessons on how women can stand up to urinate, today a how-to wipe your ass after a dump?
      Methinks you are dreaming about people's potty habits a bit too much...*note to self, never have dinner at Lettuce's house*...

      November 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Akira, the potty is not naughty. We and all of us do, doo doo. So do you! Findeth not error in close examination of nature's blessing but instead learn and concern in the great cosmic extreme where the gods occupy us all! If it's yellow it's mellow, if it brown, flush it down! 🙁

      November 13, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Akira

      Lettuce, I never said that the potty was naughty; I just wanted to know what your fascination with it is all about...working on your thesis for your Scatology Doctorate, perhaps?
      My cosmos needs no close scrutiny, for I don't worship at the altar of the Porcelain God...

      November 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer


      Alas, we have a name-thief who just cannot get enough regarding their own name labelling and 'it' dares tending to defamatorious innuendoes that bemoans and does bewail the thief.

      The "real" one
      No pundancy needed.

      November 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      I sincerely hope, goon, "God's Oldest Dreamer" is not a male nurse, or health care worker. He should be banned, license revoked.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  8. William Demuth


    Crazy people believe in prayer because they first create an all mighty, omnipotent, and all powerful creator, and then their narcissism leads them to believe they then control that all powerful being.

    It similar to when other crazy people believe they are Napoleon.

    November 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Rynomite

      Oh I realize that... I just would like to see a believer rationalize away the particular logic failing of trying to initiatie a prayer request with an all powerful being!

      November 13, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
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      November 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
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      November 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm |

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      November 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
  11. God's Oldest Dreamer

    Clean your typewriter to eliminate minor functioning problems. Use water with a few drops of hand dishwashing soap and a cloth to wipe down the typewriter. Clean crevices with a toothbrush and Q-tips. 😉

    Love Lettuce,
    Love Let Us,

    November 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Wendy

      You must spend a lot of time cleaning your own crevices.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Wendy, from whence will hence be sense. Our inner cosmos is like the clack clack of the typewriter, the outer the inner and oh so much thinner. 😉

      November 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Where lays a person's consciousness in times when one reflects upon abnormal societal relations creating a personal subdiffusion within another's reflective ism? Are such people rendered being inadequate by others who themselves are awkwardly ingenuous? Does there lay a pyramidal conflagration each and every time a person of goodly conscience surfaces from the social abyss to render their opinionated differences? Who among us is duly formulated as being different from otherly pottaged folds?

      Where do the ungodly and godless formulate their ideologies from whence they venture forth an opinion? Who among the ungodly can stand alone and without need of godless argumentative soothsayers hiding in near corners waiting for to pounce whenever the goodly natured give rise their opinions? Is it not truthful that many ungodly and godless do sound off to unjustly irritate the rational attempts goodly people endure to make conversation? Where does ungodly and godless end and goodly begin? Who plays upon Life's fields and who stays on the benches?

      The "Real" God's Oldest Dreamer

      November 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
  12. Bob

    Funny to see the churchies fighting amongst each other. And not surprising.

    November 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • junior

      It isn't. The bishops, our leaders, are unanimous. We the laity on the other hand need to reassess our Christian convictions

      November 14, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    November 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
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      November 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Rynomite

      So a serious question. Let's pretend for a moment that the Christian Abrahamic concept of God is correct and he actually exists.

      Standard Christian dogma says that God is perfect. He is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good. The implications of this are many, but one implication in particular is that god would be unchanging. God would never need to change his mind or alter his plan because he knows what is going to happen and he does not make mistakes.

      Considering this, please explain to me how prayer is necessary or effective? God already has his plan. He is not chagning it for your request. Therefore you have just spent time in a useless endeavor.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • TR6

      Yes, we saw how much good it did the republicans and bishops with this last election.

      November 13, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Prayer is telling god you think he is incompetent.

      November 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  14. nochristian

    How can you say Catholics are with Republicans ? Catholic organizations help immigrants, poor people, terminally ill people, folks with AIDS, HIV, Eb ola, lep rosy.

    How can you say Catholics are with Democrats ? Catholic organizations do not keel babies. Divorce is not allowed. Gay marriage is not allowed.

    How can you call a person Catholic if said person does not practice the beliefs ? If he/she does not pray, does not go to confes sion, does not practice fasting, does not provide care to the sick/poor, then why would that person call himself/herself Catholic.

    Too many igno rant folks jump to the wrong conclusions. Get some education first.

    November 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Please explain what the following words mean:



      November 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      How do you 'keel' babies?

      Are you talking about abortion or something piratical?

      November 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  15. William Demuth

    The pig in the picture has admited paying multiple priests $20,000 each or more to encourage them to leave the priesthood to avoid more scandals

    He paid men who buggered boys to disapear.

    He should be hung by his neck until dead, and his corpse crucified outside the Vatican as a symbol to those who enable pedophilles.

    November 13, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Yeah but he's super nice.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Corner Cafe

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      November 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • yankeesx

      Before Americans enter the seminary on their way to priesthood, they are indoc trinated by the American public school system, by the American way of life, by American freedoms on p0rn and se xua lity. That happens for the first 20 years of the person's life. That's when they learn how to prepare for adulthood.

      Immorality is endemic to the American way of life. Jeff Sandusky, Gen Petraeus, Bill clinton, Boy Scouts, Coach Paterno, High school teachers, swim team coaches, modeling agencies, hollywood recruiting agencies, etc.

      Americans have no morals. Then they wonder why immorality happens in their neighborhood. boo hoo.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • William Demuth


      Let me guess>>>>> You can't get any???

      Strange how Godly men think booty is a bad thing

      Find someone appropriate in age and mental capacity, and get busy.

      You may find it helps you be less of an azzhole.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Super Friends

      Do you want to fuck my wife yankeesx?

      November 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • boohoo


      Why don't you argue back with data ?

      I'm sorry to hear that your mama is a street walker. And that you don't see anything bad with that. That probably explains all your resent ment against morality.

      November 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Akira

      Who the hell if Jeff Sandusky, yankee?
      Y'know, it's all right if you rub one out once in a while...I promise you won't go blind.

      November 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • perfect


      Since you seem to be confident of your superiority over all religious people, how about telling us about your beliefs ? What is your belief system ? Show us the benefits it has produced for the world. As bad as chris tians are, they do have the likes of Mother Teresa. Who do you have in a similar person ? How many hundreds of thousands of people can attest to your goodness ?


      November 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      William is good.

      November 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
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    Party in celebration of hindu filthy festival of divali is being held in TEXAS on cow postures to honor hindu filthy three eyed god's of hindu's, ignorant s, a of curtsy ranchers of Texas,

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  17. LaserEye

    "nuanced tone" = Bullcrap laid on real thick

    November 13, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  18. Doc Vestibule

    The majority of 1st World Catholics don't think that using birth control will cause God to smite them as He did Onan.
    Woe be unto them!
    When God tells you to knock up your sister in law, you do it!

    November 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
  19. William Demuth

    Even the idea a Church has a "political strategy" they admit to publicly is a sign we need greater enforcement of the principals of separation of church and state.

    If we ever have a candidate that has the courage to take on this ultimate special interest group, I shall offer him all the support at my disposal.

    Tax the Church, Feed the Hungry and Educate the Ignorant.

    It is time this nation evolve.

    November 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Horus

      Agreed. Churches always have been businesses; competing for souls. They should be taxed.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • TR6

      If you " Educate the Ignorant." You're going to quickly run out of churches to tax

      November 13, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
  20. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    As usual the "Catholic" vote was split down the middle in last week's election.

    There was too much made of the "Catholic" vote during the election cycle. American Catholics are ... Americans.

    November 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      What Catholic Bishops might say is interesting but hardly relevant to our laws.

      The legal, secular designation of 'married' for tax / insurance / survivorship purposes has nothing to do with the Catholic sacrament of marriage. The church doesn't have to extend the sacrament to same sëx couples. This should have nothing to do with secular marriage equality.

      I understand the church position on abortion. For Catholics, it's a sin for a person to have an abortion. This still has nothing to do with our laws.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I think you are correct. The hubris of American Catholics is that they presume they can redirect the course of the Church by political effort. Even the phrase "out of touch with the people" intimates that the Church and her Bishops have somehow veered off course and not the other way around. May God bless and strengthen the Bishops to protect and defend the Gospel.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "... intimates that the Church and her Bishops have somehow veered off course and not the other way around."

      We no longer burn young women at the stake for being witches.

      We no longer burn scientists at the stake for claiming the earth isn't the center of the universe.

      We no longer kill millions for believing in the wrong version of your god.

      I guess you're sorry your church changed?

      November 13, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • On the Throne

      @ Bill Deacon
      For once I agree, allow the bishops to clamp down on the laity make them toe the line and if they really get out of line discard them. The church and more so the catholic universities are trying to reform the church from within, the longer the bishops take their matching orders from Vatican City and ignore the American congragations wishes, the faster the church will become insignifigant, Praise the Disolution.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • On the Throne

      marching, not matching orders. and dissolution, I really need spell check.

      November 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
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