Survey: Religiously unaffiliated, minority Christians propelled Obama’s victory
A quarter of President Barack Obama's supporters were religiously unaffiliated, the Public Religion Research Institute says.
November 15th, 2012
02:24 PM ET

Survey: Religiously unaffiliated, minority Christians propelled Obama’s victory

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - President Barack Obama’s victory relied largely on two dramatically different religious coalitions - minority Christians and those with no religion according to a survey released Thursday.

“This presidential election is the last in which a white Christian strategy will be considered a plausible path to victory,” said Robert P. Jones, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, which conducted the survey. “The American religious and ethnic landscape is becoming increasingly diverse, and any campaigns relying on outdated maps are destined to lose their way.”

One-in-four Obama voters were religiously unaffiliated, the second-largest “religious” demographic in the president’s coalition, according to the study (PDF). Minority Christians - consisting of black, Asian, Hispanic and mixed-race Americans made up 31% of Obama’s coalition, the largest religious group.

Among major religious demographics, Obama struggled most with white Christians, including Catholics, mainline Protestants and evangelical Protestants. When these three groups were added up, they accounted for just 35% of Obama’s religious coalition. In comparison, Republican challenger Mitt Romney’s coalition was overwhelmingly white and Christian, with 79% of Romney voters identifying as such.

The Public Religion Research Institute numbers flesh out exit polls released after Election Day. According to those numbers, 70% of the religiously unaffiliated supported Obama, compared with 26% who backed Romney. Ninety-five percent of black Protestants voted for Obama, according to the exit polls, while 75% of Hispanic Catholics supported the president.

Romney, according to the exit polls, overwhelmingly won white evangelical Christians (79% voted for him) and white Catholics (59% voted for him).

The rise of the religiously unaffiliated has been a major recent trend. A survey by Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life released this year found that the fastest-growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all. According to the survey, 20% of adult Americans have no religious affiliation.

At an event announcing the Pew results, senior research adviser John Green said the growing political power of the unaffiliated within the Democratic Party could become similar to the power the religious right acquired in the GOP in the 1980s.

The 2012 election results have some political experts questioning whether the religious right’s influence is fading.

The Rev. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, tweeted after the election that the results show “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”

Conservative evangelist Franklin Graham, CEO of Samaritan’s Purse and son of the Rev. Billy Graham, told CNN that while he doesn’t believe the movement is fading, “there is a lot of work we need to do.”

“I just think there are a lot of conservative Christians who did not vote for whatever reason,” Franklin Graham said.

Like Graham, Jones said the legalization of same-sex marriage by ballot initiative in three states last week shows that America is changing.

“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” Jones said last week. “The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate. Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”

The results of the Public Religion Research Institute survey were based on 1,410 telephone interviews in both Spanish and English conducted between November 7 and Sunday. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.

- CNN’s Dan Gilgoff contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Catholic Church • Christianity • Faith • Politics • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (1,305 Responses)
  1. Doomed

    I see the losers are still here again. Tom Tom The Piper and HawaiGuest, now where are the other losers today? You atheists have no life and don't have a job, i have proved many times that you are being supported by your parents and too lazy to go out and get a job and a life. That's what atheism is all about. A bunch of losers who are in their 30's and still being supported by their parents, and they spend like 14+ hours a day on the internet searching for comment boards about religions so they can cry and annoy people.. Get a life and get out of your Atheism Cult crap. Go get a job and mind your own business about what people believe in or not. That is called freedom my friend, which atheists don't seems to understand it's meaning.

    November 16, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • JM


      Not talk like you. Call you a hypocrite.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Doomed

      What are you talking about? Are you smoking Mothballs or what?

      November 16, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • frederick

      I don't believe there is a god - im in the top1/2%. And I am proud of it.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Doomed", but your generalized assertions regarding atheism are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL".

      November 16, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Atheism is about not having anything running on your wetware that isn't grounded in reality.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Daniel

      Wow. As a 34 year old atheist who makes good money and has a great relationship with both his parents and his wife I would have to say that this type of post is exactly why non-religious people are the most tolerant and level-headed when it comes to....well just about anything. We manage to have morals and respect for people without the threat of eternal damnation or the hypocrisy that goes along with believing in books that were written a couple thousand years ago. Grow up.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Doomed

      @The other Tom Tom and Daniel

      There's plenty of ignorant atheists in this area here I have been raised right next door to them and still surrounded by them. Most of them don't work, they think they are geniuses but in reality they are poor lost humans who are obsess about God that they remind me of possessed people from a scary movies. They spend their life annoying people about religion just like a door to door Vacuum Cleaner salesman. Go get a real job, and a real life. You will find peace and a healthier way of living. And please don't give me that crap about atheism, i know to well about that stupid Cult, and don't try to tell me it's not because i know too well it is a Cult. If you're not happy about what i've said then just move over here you'll see what atheists are and what they do on a day to day basis.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Doomed", but you have little if no knowledge of the lives of other posters here in the Belief Blogs. Therefore, using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), your comments are ASININE at best.

      November 16, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • talkingraven1

      i actually believe in freedom of religion for you but in all fairness there should also be freedom FROM religion. it is not right that agnostics (meaning i believe in something, just not your version of whatever or whoever the creator was or is) should be looked down on for not believing. the same with atheists. and just because we do not believe in your god does not mean we are not good human beings who know what love and compassion is. billions of people throughout history have been murdered in the name of your god and is going on right this minute in the middle east.
      your god is supposed to be about love, but all you do is spread hate and promote intolerance. and how old are you? very mature to start calling names and very predictable. when you are confronted with the facts and common sense, you get flustered and get belligerent.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:44 am |
    • Anti-Thieist

      You Sir are just as much as a "Athiest" as anyone else. Let me explain, There are somewhere around 4000 god's through out human history in different religions. You believe in 1 god and therefore do not believe in the other 3999, the only difference between an Athiest and you is that the Athiest believes in 1 less god than you do.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:02 am |
    • *


      It's "theist" and "atheist", fyi.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:15 am |
    • Anti-Thieist

      Yeah, I realized after my post, it's early and I am just working my way through my first cup of coffee. Sorry for all the bad typo's. lol. =D

      November 16, 2012 at 3:20 am |
  2. Evangelical

    Only by God through his Son Jesus Christ can America be saved.

    November 16, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • Athy

      How is he going to do it? Geez, you vangies are just mindless followers, aren't you.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Evangelical", but "God" and "Jesus Christ" are mythological characters. Therefore, they cannot save anyone or anything.

      Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      November 16, 2012 at 12:21 am |
  3. E=MC2

    About Atheism.:

    I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots.

    Albert Einstein

    November 15, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • Observer

      “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. … For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish supersti-tions.”
      - Albert Einstein, letter 1/3/1954

      November 16, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • E=MC2

      That's exactly what Einstein was afraid of, that the world will end up having a generation of idiots.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:09 am |
  4. SkyKing169

    I don't want other people forcing their religion on me. Do you?
    I think that life begins at conception, but that is a religious belief, not a fact. To force that belief on other Americans is just as wrong as Taliban forcing its beliefs on others, it is unAmerican.
    Jesus teaches us to accept others who are different than we are. That is the Christian value that should be followed, and it is common to most religions that have not been corrupted by 'cults'.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Evangelical

      "Jesus teaches us to accept others who are different than we are."

      Yeah, but He was quite clear on not accepting sin.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Tessel

      Yeah, I'm pretty sure he said “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Googleman

      Shouldn't you error on the side of caution. Until it is proven that you are not killing a baby, don't do it. Who care if it is religious or not!

      November 15, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Evangelical


      I have never stoned anyone.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Observer


      He had nothing bad to say about gays, but plenty to say about hetero sinners.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Tessel

      Oh, so it's okay to take the bible literally when you feel like it and as metaphor when you don't? Jesus clearly meant "Mind your own business".

      Here is some very clear instruction for you, straight from bible central. How guilty are you for not following this?

      Leviticus 15:19-30
      And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness.

      Do we need some legislation for Menstruation Prisons for women for those seven days?

      November 16, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Evangelical


      Why don't you leave the OT to Biblical scholars who know what they're talking about.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Tessel

      How about you learn to reply with humility when you're proven wrong about your own religion? What are bible scholars going to tell me about something that's been rewritten dozens of times (if not more) to suit whoever is in power at the time? How come people eat shellfish and cheat on their wives when the bible clearly says not to? Is the part about Adultery not on that 10 Commandments list anymore? Am I justified in killing someone if their outfit looks horrible even if it isn't made of blended ("Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together." - Deuteronomy 22:11) cloth?

      November 16, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Doomed


      You are just another Atheists that doesn't know anything about the Bible, you haven't read it yourself, you w're told these things about the Bible but you don't have a clue don't you? The Bible mentioned about g a y s in Sodom and Gomorrah. Also you atheists have cried about it for so long that what god have said about g a y s was removed from the original book. Now this new generation of idiots can't find it in the Bible anymore. Go and try to find an old Bible prior to the 60's and see for yourself if God have banned g a y s from haven or not.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • Tessel

      @Doomed Does that mean I should kill all women who have worn jeans? ""The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." - Deuteronomy 22:5"

      November 16, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Doomed


      Don't mix the Bible with the Coran.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Tessel

      What are you talking about? Deuteronomy is in the King James Version.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Doomed


      Read the entire book and not just a few pages. It'll make you understand more. And please don't read it with a "i don't believe in this Bull**it" a t t i t u d e will you.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • Tessel

      I have. Multiple times. Maybe you should reread it since you don't seem to be familiar with passages without a Leviticus stamp?

      November 16, 2012 at 12:58 am |
  5. Richard

    Well Mormons wouldn't allow blacks in the priest hood and atheist thought that blacks were less evolved

    November 15, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • JM

      That would be white evangelicals.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • JM

      ...who think that.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Observer

      Total nonsense.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • tallulah13

      No, Dick. If anyone is unevolved around here, it would be you.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      The one less evolved would be Richard.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
  6. Bishop Hairy Palms

    Does anyone else find it amusing that the people who are the least like Christ, are calling themselves "Christians"?

    November 15, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • JM


      Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

      5 “Everything they do is done for people to see.

      27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  7. vulpecula

    I've read for a long time that most people would vote for a muslim as president before they would vote for an atheist. Atheists are one of the most distrusted groups, though they really haven't earned it. But I'd like to see a poll for if a atheist and scientologist were running. Just curious.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • Akira

      Well, there has never been a Muslim up for candidacy, so that theory is stil untested.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Atheists really haven't earned it (distrust)? It that what you actually wrote? I think the millions and millions that have been killed in the name of atheism would beg to differ.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • An atheist

      Evangelical what millions of people are you talking about? Is it the Hitler excuse? Or, is it the Stalin mass murder? China? Jesus? Hitler was never an atheist. Stalin ran nation that still Christian base. China is still highly influence by religion concepts.

      Religion is the true killer of people on this planet.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • End Religion

      Has there been anyone killed in the name of atheism?

      November 16, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Evangelical

      You are right: I'm talking about Stalin. The country might have had a Christian base, but the regime was clearly atheistic. Pol Pot was an atheist and slaughtered millions. And Mao killed millions in the name of atheism/atheistic communism. You see, without God, all is permitted. (Dostoyevsky).

      November 16, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • Anti-Thieist

      the Estimated number killed through out history for religion by far outweighs the number killed for anything else...800Million, killed in the name of "God"...9 Million for the Witch trials, 6 million over the course of 3 crusades. Keep preaching that your dark age hookus pookus is ok and done no wrong.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:24 am |
    • Pete

      Not a single person in the entire history of the world has been killed in the name of Atheism.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  8. froodley

    There is a very, very serious problem with this article. People with no religious affiliation cover an enormous range of spiritual and religious views. Agnostics and atheists, who are obviously within their rights not to know something regardless of what you think, would fit right in there. But so would all the "just plain religious", "spiritual not religious," multi/world-religious, members of minor religions that don't make the list, and just anyone who hasn't found their answer yet. I find the language in this article almost inflammatory! The expression "no religion" implies all these people are atheists and feeds the (ancient, dangerous, and sub-academic(?)) Revelations-worship coming out of the religious right. Almost all of those people are religious, and almost all atheists are moral anyway... Yay gospel, boo revelations...

    November 15, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  9. t3chn0ph0b3

    Is "religiously unaffiliated minority Christians" a big enough group to be politically important now? Huh. When are the urban, atheist, ex-Judeo-Christians coming to power?

    November 15, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  10. talkingraven1

    i believe in freedom of religion. but i also believe in freedom FROM religion. it is not right that agnostics (meaning i believe in something, just not your version of whatever or whoever the creator was or is) should be looked down on for not believing. the same with atheists. and just because we do not believe in your god does not mean we are not good human beings who know what love and compassion is. billions of people throughout history have been murdered in the name of your god and is going on right this minute in the middle east.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • 1225

      I agree.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • mama k

      I agree. And the Supreme Court agreed in both 1962 and 1963 when they ruled that mandated prayer and Bible readings in public schools was unconstitutional. Today we have ~21% average non-Christian in a public school classroom.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Read the const.itution. No where does it say anything about freedom from religion. And don't try to pull the old "I'm a good person" tripe. If you are atheist, you are immoral. Pure and simple.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • mama k

      The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution doesn't have anything to do with defining morality, Evangelical. It states that there is to be no state religion. Our key founders quickly realized (as the SC interpreted in 1962 and 1963) that one cannot correctly enforce that in government and extensions of the government (like public schools) without restricting religion (freedom FROM) for the primary duties of government. Of course the primary purpose of the 1st Amendment is to allow freedom OF religion. If you didn't know that I suggest you read some of the Madison quotes I post just a short while ago. His intent is quite clear.

      And by the way, Evangelical. Morality is not a sole possession of the religious.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Athy

      Oh, blow it out your ass, Vangie. You bible babblers are a pain in the ass.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • End Religion

      Morality: Using empathy as a guide for human interaction. AKA, "treat others the way you want to be treated" and "put yourself in my shoes". It has nothing inherently to do with the bible.

      Karen Wynn of Yale has a study showing even babies have an idea of wrong versus right. Neuroscientist Christian Keysers has done research to show that the brain of those who see others receiving pain themselves have similar neurological responses. There is a curve to empathy; some feel it more than others. But it certainly doesn't come from a hateful book about imaginary people.

      Frans de Waal shows that even monkeys employ "morality"...

      November 16, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Evangelical


      We are only a pain because you don't want to hear the truth.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:17 am |
  11. mama k

    I am writing this as an original post, but I in a way, I feel like I am replying to Georgia Christian (9:30 p.m. post) in support for that poster's call for more decency among those with differing views. That post also made me think of this kind of bickering has always been at play in the U.S., sometimes more that others. Around the time of our founding there were terrible feuds in various states – some of it deadly. Some of our key founders who were Christians, some of whom were influenced by Deism, witnessed the feuding that was occurring in their home states. Thomas Paine, born a Quaker, might be considered by historians as more Deist than many of his peers. And he probably witnessed persecution – even hangings of Quakers in Massachusetts around the time of our founding. In Virginia, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, & George Mason witnessed religious persecution involving members of their own Christian sects. This is important because, along with the influence of Deism, I believe witnessing this bickering among different religious sects made it obvious to our key founders that they needed to establish as secular a government as possible despite their own religious leanings.

    James Madison, who became our 4th POTUS and chief architect of our Constitution and 1st Amendment, was furious with the fighting going on between the Anglicans (that he helped establish as Episcopalians) and Baptists in Virginia. And he was mostly furious with his own kind. If you read his A Memorial and Remonstrance (1785) that he delivered to the Virginia General Assembly, you will see his ferocity – using words like bigotry and persecution leveled against his fellow Christians.

    Still, though, it is quite obvious that Madison longed for a better day when the different Christians could live peacefully with one another. One reflective quote from him that he wrote a bit later in life, I believe, expresses his satisfaction that the secular nature of government that he helped establish successfully allowed religion to flourish more peacefully than it had before in the new country:

    It was the Universal opinion of the Century preceding the last, that Civil Govt could not stand without the prop of a Religious establishment, & that the Xn religion itself, would perish if not supported by a legal provision for its Clergy. The experience of Virginia conspicuously corroborates the disproof of both opinions. The Civil Govt, tho' bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success, Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.

    (Letter to Robert Walsh – 1819)

    Three years later, Madison wrote this:

    Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

    (Lettter to Edward Livingston – 1822)

    A surprise to me, John Adams (POTUS #2), had a very Deistic sounding reflection of the founding of the U.S. government in this writing:

    The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

    Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.

    (A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])

    November 15, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • mama k

      typo correction: my second sentence (1st paragraph) should read: more than others.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Lovely post! Did you write it all on your own accords? Just wondering,,, 🙂

      November 15, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • mama k

      Yes, lamb – I did (except, of course the quoted material). I do keep and rework some of my paragraphs to fit a particular discussion or to address certain positions taken on separation of church and state.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Quit spamming the boards with the same crap that you posted 100 times before. It didn't hold water then, and it doesn't hold water now.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • mama k

      Evangelical – this is the first time I have written some of the paragraphs above. It is also the first time I have posted this combination of quotes. And it is the first time I have used the quote from John Adams here.

      Are you ashamed of our U.S. history? Do you find fault with anything I quoted or how it was represented? Or does it just "bother" you? Are you wishing for a theocracy? I can assure you, separation of church and state is as relevant today as it was when they were trying to get a constitution ratified.

      November 16, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • mama k

      And I challenge you, Evangelical to show how any of my post "does not hold water".

      November 16, 2012 at 12:13 am |
  12. Kathy

    There are some frightening posts here. Separation of church and state means something. It was one of the reasons for colonizing this country. I welcome different beliefs and believe we have elected a moral man to lead our country. As a Catholic woman, I did not agree with the views of the GOP on many issues. We need to fiercely defend freedom of religion in this country.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  13. Richard

    I get on my knees every night and pray to Darwin and he help me see that our planet appeared from nothing and I think I'm gay but not sure

    November 15, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Etalan

      it nice to see some people are honesty about themselves.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  14. Reality

    And now for the real reason BO won the election:

    Only for the new members of this blog--

    As noted many times before the election:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.


    November 15, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • JM

      Many words. No sense.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Bishop Hairy Palms

      Crazy much?

      November 15, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      My Words for Truth

      What was first made can never again become that which was made first for only in varying differential constructs can another thing be made to be outdone against that which was firstly made. The pillars of one's DNA, the spirals of all celestial life forms and formations is where God's Sons and their given wives are taken in as residents there abouts.

      The Kingdoms of God lay where the inner structures of celestial Life do share in the abundancies of Living Fractals in Cosmological Paradigms. As mankinds' hunting for the Codifying of Life's laws in Cellularized Confinements continues onwards, many will ever become non-complacent in our societal grandeurs for wanting sakes trying never to be outdone by those who tend to be in simplifications' adjuring. May we be merciful upon those who deservidely aspire to be merciful toward others.

      A scattering is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave your wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave. Head to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving this Life is for the world to have needs of and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their yet unfinished juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does True Life end and Real Living begin?

      Who before this day's Age is found worthy of Goodly praises? Who after us will find peace set before them? Who in today;s timeline is this "son of man" that many should fear him for his worthiness stance? Who above can see the below? Who that is below can see what be above? From the very smallest crevice to the most high chasms, the Sea of Nothingness is the Holy Spirit. May the elemental Gods find favor in this found son of man that he may not be afflicted with this world's power but rather he should carry upon him the angst from his manhood till his natural death.

      What I spiritually believe in is that the Families of God including God Himself lives upon the very first created Cosmos which is the inner Cosmos. Our being but upon this celestial cosmos is due our being cast out of the Inner Cosmos for many reasons. Some were cast out of this Inner Cosmos for faultering and some for continuing to do the Lord's Will here upon this celestial realm of gigantic life forms whereupon their insides are living many families of God's members. We live upon this realm doing what we want while many of us unify ourselves in the communal. My way is not your way and yet when we cross paths we receive each other and after a spell do walk on and are parted.Therefore, walk placidly amid the noise and waste ever being mindful of the peace one finds in finding peace there about.

      Is God to be made a mockery by those who tend to instill anti-leveraged pragmatisms? Are we to believe in the godless and the ungodly who care little about the piecemeal subjectives' ordinates?

      Jesus, was the very first of many immeasurable 'elemental beings' and was in the Beginning an elemental king of all the elemental Gods. Jesus, in His cunning, did thru Chaos' manueverings, established the gravimetrical waves for the elementals to gather in broods thusly was formed the beginnings of celestial nebulas.

      As time did force the nebulas to progressively surround the gravimetric oscillations where from did come about galactic formations of the elementals' soundness. As systems of photonic elementals, the infinitesimal finite elemental Gods did shower the solarized systems with their embodied beings. And in the Now, we are but made from the photonic elementals' stillnesses, the stardusts of the Ages.

      My "Physicist" knows very well the quantum physicalities of natured atomic stimulations. I call this "Physicist" God. He has strewn His Sea of Nothingness with 'photogenitisms' or the stillness of the photons creating all manner of the first materials needed to become thru timeliness all the elementals' members of our declared Periodic Table of Materialized Photogenitis.

      Sciences are but the dreams dreamt and are atheists' treasure troves of good books they hardly ever do read, for many atheists aren't too bright yet they stand by these scientists without one iota of deniability to question science books that even the commoner seldom reads nor truly understands. Who among us knows about the 'Self-Similar Cosmological Paradigm'? Who among us truly understands that energy equals mass times light squared and its' true potential? What is the point in adoring scientific reasoning when one's IQ level can be counted on ten fingers?

      I feel a compelling want to tell you about some verses in Gospel scripture. Is it not written to above all things to seek firstly the "Kingdom of God". This said, have you ascribed to doing so? Where does one look to or towards in order to find that which we are told to seek as scripture does declare one to do?

      Mathew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God."

      I've searched the Gospel writings and have found a single verse telling all who have found it as to the true and literal location of God's Kingdomly Domains!

      Luk 17:21 "The kingdom of God is inside you."

      I take Luke 17:21 quite literally and so should all who believe in One God and His One Son of perhaps oodles upon oodles of otherly Sons and Daughters too numerous to really expound upon! Christ is special because he was born to take upon his being the sins of those who were and then were also and of times yet to come! God's Kingdoms being inside us and within our ownliness bodies can also be associated with another verse of scripture ,,,,

      1Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

      The just above verse does tell much more than just glimpsing over it could proclude! Our being labourers with God may well seem to give us all an equal footing with God and his aspirations for our betterment's sakes! His being our husbandry may well regard God as having a firm footing in our conceptions of childbirthing beyond mere genetic understandings!

      But in the aboveness verse, the very understanding that we or our bodies are God's buildings may well inspire one to disavow such a claim due one's foresightedness sakes and lacking of rationalisms' of credible resources. Yet, as I see things, we, our bodies are not only God established and God created buildings for the benefits of the Godly who reside inside of us, but are for our benefits for learning and understanding the precepts of "Fractal Cosmologies"!

      We have seen that which our bodies are made up of and they are of cellularized structures not "unlike" nebula structures in outer space places! These celestial nebula structures are yet a work-in-progress and our body-like buildings are a progress in the works!

      These words are revelations of my Faith as to my Godly understandings regarding the Kingdom Domains of God, his Sons and his Daughters-in-law and all forms and mannerisms of Life-ever-lasting principles and principalities of ever living progressives!

      Written by God's Oldest Dreamer

      November 15, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      My words of wisdom to Lionlylamb:

      Simma dow now.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Tessel

      Are you sure you just aren't afraid of death and therefore are desperately clinging to the idea of a man made book compiled hundreds of years after Jesus' deaths with many other Apostles work's thrown out or perhaps creatively added? Why has God abandoned Christians after being so righteously active for so long with all the plagues and locusts and stuff? Why is God automatically a better god than Zeus? They killed those who wouldn't convert to Christianity when those in power saw what a good tool for control it was. When is Jesus coming back and why is the 'End of Times' always next year? When the rapture happens do you really trust all those dirty heathens to feed your pets who have no souls? 🙁

      November 15, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Reality

      The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:
      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      November 16, 2012 at 7:27 am |
  15. albie

    This is great news – great for this country! The only real reason I did vote for Obama is because the evangelicals and religious right were pushing for Romney - honest to god (pun) that is the reason I voted for him. It is certainly a great milestone that the evangelicals aren't calling the shots anymore. It is high time to shove them into a dark corner where they can't spread their hate and bizarre ideas, not to mention their brainwashing of our children.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Kathy

      I so agree. The evangelicals have driven us away from what is right. Their message is hypocritical. I see no interest from them in taking care of their fellow man and neighbors. They do not have a clue about the challenges of some in this country.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
  16. Bishop Hairy Palms

    The single accomplishment of the modern conservative movement has been to convince millions of weak minded individuals that selfishness, greed, and hate for those who are less fortunate are good Christian values.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • JM


      November 15, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
  17. Davin

    Atheists vote Democrat?! Shocking. Is this supposed to be news? They always voted Democrat.

    November 15, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Etalan

      the other side have people thinking god is talking to them...

      November 15, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • albie

      I would consider voting Republican if there was a candidate who wasn't under the influence of religion - I am right in the middle, and the only thing that swayed me was the wacky religious views of the right.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  18. !!

    Atheism is root of all Evil !

    Soviet Union under State Atheism... Stalin murdered hundreds of millions of Christians and burned down churches!

    November 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • JM

      Massacre of the Native Americans? Slavery? Jim Crow? Lynching?

      Pure evil.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • Observer

      How many people were torturously killed by God in the Great Flood?

      November 15, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Tessel

      Separation of Church and State. Keep your Worship to yourselves and stop trying to convince people that small Government means removing all taxes on the insanely wealthy, abolishing all social insurance programs, and getting rid of the EPA and FDA and replacing them with the Uterus Police.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • albie

      How many people have been killed in the name of Christianity? Far more I would guess

      November 15, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
    • Reality

      Putting things into 21st century perspective:

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
      M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Christians)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

      Then there is this:

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. (prob•a•bly
      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell).

      The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

      "For instance, an essay on Ancient Near Eastern Mythology," by Robert Wexler, president of the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, states that on the basis of modern scholarship, it seems unlikely that the story of Genesis originated in Palestine. More likely, Mr. Wexler says, it arose in Mesopotamia, the influence of which is most apparent in the story of the Flood, which probably grew out of the periodic overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The story of Noah, Mr. Wexler adds, was probably borrowed from the Mesopotamian epic Gilgamesh. "

      November 15, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  19. Richard

    U people are gay

    November 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
  20. Doug Collins

    no religion, no future

    November 15, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Etalan

      you kidding, religion have been predicting the end of the world at least once every year.

      November 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • albie

      no religion will actually mean a much brighter future with less hate, wasted resources, wasted time etc...

      November 15, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Bob

      no religion, no future – Are you with the Taliban?

      November 15, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
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