November 20th, 2012
04:40 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Tuesday, November 20

By Laura Koran, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Rubio ignites debate with answer about creationism
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that have provoked the ire of liberal blogs, leaving the door open to creationism in responding to a recent question about the age of the Earth.

CNN: Two preaching giants and the 'betrayal' that tore them apart
Andy Stanley walked into his pastor's office, filled with dread. The minister sat in a massive chair behind an enormous desk. He spread his arms across the desk as if he were bracing for battle. His secretary scurried out of the office when she saw Andy coming. The pastor had baptized Andy when he was 6, and groomed him to be his successor. But a private trauma had gone public. And Andy felt compelled to speak.

Tweet of the Day:

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Enlightening Reads:

Jewish Telegraphic Agency: Murdoch apologizes for ‘Jewish-owned press’ tweet
Media mogul Rupert Murdoch apologized for a tweet in which he slammed the "Jewish owned press" for its "anti-Israel" coverage of the Gaza conflict. On Sunday, Murdoch tweeted, " 'Jewish owned press' have been sternly criticized, suggesting link to Jewish reporters. Don't see this, but apologize unreservedly."

Huffington Post: Tulsi Gabbard, First Hindu Elected To Congress, Will Swear In On Bhagavad Gita, Sacred Hindu Text
When Tulsi Gabbard, a Hawaii resident who made history this month at the first Hindu elected to Congress, attends her swearing in ceremony in January, she's poised to mark another first in American politics: Gabbard will take her oath over the Bhagavad Gita, a sacred Hindu text.

The Courier-Journal: Atheists ask U.S. Supreme Court to hear case on 'God' in Kentucky law
Citizens represented by the group American Atheists are asking the U.S. Supreme Court to hear their appeal of a lawsuit challenging a Kentucky law that credits Almighty God with homeland security. The Kentucky Supreme Court refused to review the law earlier this year.

The Guardian: Church of England prepares for vote on female bishops
On the evening of 11 November 1992, Rosie Harper was a professional opera singer listening to the radio and absorbing the news that the Church of England, after years of struggle and indecision, had decided to allow women to become priests. She was, she remembers, "in pieces". It was the moment that inspired her to pursue her calling.

Quote of the Day:

Atheists don’t like our happiness. They don’t want you to be happy. They want you to be miserable. They’re miserable so they want you to be miserable. So they want to steal your holiday away from you.

Christian television host Pat Robertson gave this warning to viewers of his show, The 700 Club, on Monday. Robertson’s comments aired the same day a U.S. District Court judge in California declared that the government of Santa Monica can ban nativity scenes in public places. The ruling was a victory for groups such as the Freedom From Religion Foundation, whose co-president, Annie Laurie Gaylor, told the Los Angeles Times: “Religion is innately divisive and just doesn't belong in public parks. There are tax-exempt churches on every other corner. Why isn't that good enough?”

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The author argues that there are many meanings of the adjective 'biblical.'

CNN: My Take: The danger of calling behavior ‘biblical’
Rachel Held Evans, a popular blogger and author of “A Year of Biblical Womanhood,” writes about her discomfort seeing the bible “edited down and used as a prop to support a select few political positions and platforms.”

- CNN's Laura Koran

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soundoff (49 Responses)
  1. Gary P.

    I always love the stories of people who survive plane crashes. "As the plane went down I prayed for god to save me and he id" Like none of the other 100 people on the plane who died wern't praying like crazy!

    November 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  2. Franque

    If there really is a God, then please explain to me how He would permit "Bieber Fever."

    November 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  3. ed-words

    Christians don't OWN Christmas.

    November 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  4. hippypoet

    Now to address the female gender believers only –
    you have to be the dumbest fu..cking group of people EVER! What does it take to adhere to a belief system which places no value on your gender? besides overwhelming stupidity? A belief system which blames all of the human sins on your kind...it labels women as property...tells women they should be silent and tells men that do what they wish to you including killing you. The only way for a women to be a believer and not be overwhelmingly stupid is to not have read the book you base your faith on in the first place – granted, that too shows a great deal of stupidity, only this is more the willful kind of stupidity...making it that much more sad and pathetic.

    November 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  5. Post It Notes

    "Atheists don’t like our happiness. They don’t want you to be happy. They want you to be miserable. They’re miserable so they want you to be miserable. So they want to steal your holiday away from you."

    This is incorrect. Happiness is when you realize that you don't have to live in fear of a giant sky hostess.

    November 20, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Akira

      Atheists don't give a sh!t one way or another about your happiness, Pat Robertson. And I'm STILL not going to donate to you, Beez.

      November 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Gary P.

      " The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than a drunk is happier than a sober man" – Shaw

      November 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  6. hippypoet

    Your god created everything for you...you are the choosen people...you will have a place in heaven...you are gods favorite creation....god created animals so you may eat them...you, you, you!
    do YOU notice a recurring theme here?

    the definition of humble – Having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance.
    aren't you supposed to be humble before god?

    yet you believe he did all these things FOR YOU...you believe there is something out there that cares about you and your feelings....you truly believe that something that can make anything out of thin air and give it life gives a fu..ck about you and little hurt feelings!!!

    this planet has known 4 mass extinctions and you people believe that god made those millions upon millions of species die off so that you could live, take over the planet, convert or kill off everything that gets in your way, and then finally kill the planet by removing its resources...which of course you believe god made for YOU!!!

    and you fu..cking idiots call atheists arrogant! seriously?

    yeah your special alright, wheres you helmet? or did god forget that?
    on a planet that is 71% water you truly believe that this planet was made for YOU...a land based creature.

    if this doesn't make you think and reconsider your beliefs – then you truly are mentally retarded.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • unworthy

      “ do YOU notice a recurring theme here?”
      “ aren't you supposed to be humble before god?”
      “and you call atheists arrogant! seriously?”
      “yeah your special alright, wheres you helmet? or did god forget that?”
      On my head. No
      For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

      November 20, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Answer

      You are made retarded through faith. <<–There is the needed correction.

      November 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  7. Sane Person

    Christianity = the belief that we are all evil and god is going to punish us for being what we are unless we put our sins on Jesus.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Sane Person,
      Based on your prior posts, I am suspi.cious, but we will see where you are going with this and I hope you are coming around. Christianity = faith in Christ. We do believe that we are sinners saved by grace. We are saved by trusting in and believing on Christ for forgiveness and salvation. God corrects Christians and he judges sin. Evil exists in the heart of humans, Christian or not.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  8. myweightinwords

    Unconditional love has no "If statements".

    November 20, 2012 at 11:43 am |
  9. niknak

    Morning all;
    It is just another beautiful day without god(s).

    November 20, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  10. myweightinwords

    What does unconditional love look like to you.

    November 20, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Brenda

      It has 4 legs, long golden hair with a white chest and I call her Abbie. I love my golden retriever!

      November 20, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Brenda, a dog's love really is unconditional, isn't it? I miss my golden, her name was Brandy. She's been gone 15 years, loved her very much.

      November 20, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Peter

      My chocolate lab named Mocha. Dogs are man's best friend, their loyalty and love is such a great example for us. Now if I could just get my children to sit and stay I would be a happy man.

      November 20, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • niknak

      No Peter, dog has never been man's best friend.
      It is true man is dog's best friend, but not the other way around.

      Man's best friend now is the internal combustion engine. Which took over from the horse as man's best friend.

      November 20, 2012 at 10:52 am |
      • myweightinwords

        nikcnak, I disagree. Having been loved by many dogs in my life, I believe they are truly the best friends a man can have.

        November 20, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Jodi

      It broke my heart seeing the animals they have been rescuing from Sandy that were abandoned in their homes by their owners. I really think rescue shelters and hotels during a crisis need to allow people to take their pets. I understand that people are not thinking straight during a crisis but I couldn't leave my dog Rocky behind like that. I get sad thinking how we have come to think of animals as disposable, what does that say about us and our morality?

      November 20, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Unconditional love is the kind of love that would cause God to love such a sinner as me and you.

      November 20, 2012 at 11:13 am |
      • myweightinwords

        You may believe yourself a sinner, Robert.

        I do not believe in sin.

        November 20, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • niknak

      Hate to break it to you Jodi, but we do it to humans too.
      I used to volunteer at Little Brothers to the Elderly.
      Sad to say, but the vast majority of them were abandoned by their families years ago.
      Most old folks in this country are treated like human garbage. A burden that no one has time for.

      One way to jugde a society is how well they take care of the most vulnerable, like the young, old and their animals.
      Judging by how we operate, the rapture can't happen fast enough to cleanse the Earth of the scurge that is humanity.

      On that happy note, you all have a good day!

      November 20, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Bob

      "Unconditional love is the kind of love that would cause God to love such a sinner as me and you."

      This is what is so wrong with religion, it makes people have a negative attitude about themselves and they need a god in order to love who they are since they've been brainwashed they are bad people. Grow up dude, there is not god, then you can finally love yourself for who you are.

      November 20, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Bob

      "Judging by how we operate, the rapture can't happen fast enough to cleanse the Earth of the scurge that is humanity."

      I rest my case. Pathetic.

      November 20, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Ok, fair enough. How about evil or wrong, do you believe in either of those?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        I believe in wrong action, in evil deeds. I believe that we do not always do what is right.

        I do not believe that "right" is defined by a book, but by the heart.

        November 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      You won’t get any argument from me about problems in organized religion. They exist, no doubt. They exist because all religions contain people. However, Christ gives people hope, peace, and joy. Nothing wrong with hope, peace, and joy is there Bob?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Bob

      " Nothing wrong with hope, peace, and joy is there Bob?"

      You don't need a God to get any of that, people can do that for themselves.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  11. Doc Vestibule

    A fine example of Evangelical Christian hyprocrisy:

    Lisa Biron, a prominent lawyer for the anti-gay rights "Alliance Defending Freedom", was arrested by the FBI last month on multiple counts of possession of child po/rn.
    While out on bail, she was again arrested for taking a teenage girl to Canada and coercing her to engage in se.x on camera. She faces charges of transportation with intent to engage in criminal se.ual activity, possession of child por.nography and five counts of se.xual exploitation of children.

    The ADF are known for starting the "Day of Truth" – an evangelical christian response to the LGBT community's "Day of SIlence". They strongly oppose gay rights in any form, and vehemently anti-abortion/birth control and lobby for prayer in school and public insti/tutions.

    Now that's good irony!

    November 20, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Mirosal

      Doc, can you please post a link to that story? I'd like to read it, and about what the FBI and the RCMP did to catch her. Thanks 🙂

      November 20, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Unfortunately, the link has a naughty word in it, so you'll have to remove the '*' at the end of the URL.


      November 20, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      I prefer more subtle examples, like when you see a car with a Jesus fish speeding.

      November 20, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • Akira

      Oh, my, how the mighty have fallen. Hypocrisy at it's best!

      November 20, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    November 20, 2012 at 6:29 am |
    • Mirosal

      Name ONE concrete piece of history whose outcome was brought about by prayer ALONE.. no actions, no deeds, just prayer.

      November 20, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • helpful hint

      The abolition of slavery.

      November 20, 2012 at 7:18 am |
    • Mirosal

      That was a Consti'tutional amendment in 1865. It was modeled after England's ban on slavery in the 1830's .. try again.

      November 20, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I prayed for a year for the decay of a single proton in 10,000 tons of water (about 2.5E33 protons). Didn't happen.

      November 20, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...

      November 20, 2012 at 8:33 am |
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      "John 3:16" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" is the degenerate.

      This troll is not a christian

      November 20, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      November 20, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • helpful hint

      The English abolition and the subsequent end of American slavery were both the direct result of prayer. The fact that man doc umented the events after the fact is no less than a testimony to the power of answered prayer.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Mrs. Pepperpot

      Bullsh!t, helpful, the abolition of slavery was a direct result of Honest Abe signing a pieve of paper...unless you posit that they prayed for Lincoln to be born, in which case, double bullsh!t. Cut the vrap, that's supposition, and your freaking know it! (Not to mention the war that went with all of it, which was CONCRETE ACTION, BTW!)

      November 20, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • helpful hint

      Your ignorance is showing Mrs.

      November 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Nope

      "Your ignorance is showing Mrs."

      You're just a dope.

      November 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Mrs. Pepperpot

      Your ignorance of history is showing, helpful.

      November 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Akira

      Helpful hint:
      Slavery still exists in parts of the world even today.
      You lose.

      November 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
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