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November 28th, 2012
02:25 PM ET

‘Two and a Half Men’ actor’s criticism of show shines light on Seventh-day Adventists

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – The Alabama-based evangelist Christopher Hudson has posted online videos promoting his Seventh-day Adventist faith for years, but none generated the response of the one he posted a few days ago, featuring “Two and a Half Men” actor Angus T. Jones.

The video shows Jones, the CBS sitcom’s “half man,” describing the show he has appeared in for nearly a decade as “filth” and discouraging viewers from tuning in - which has attracted a crush of media attention.

Hudson, who flew to Los Angeles last week to tape the video with the 19-year-old actor, says his phone has been ringing off the hook ever since he posted the video online on Sunday.

Suddenly, reporters and plenty of others who’ve tuned into the wildly popular “Two and Half Men” want to know about the Seventh-day Day Adventist tradition, which Jones says in the online video he has recently joined, connecting his conversion to his new outlook on the show.

“I just kept learning the basic messages of the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” Jones says in the video, telling of stopping into a Seventh-day Adventist Church with a friend recently and finding himself gripped by the pastor’s message. “I just loved it.”

“Some of my family was like, 'Oh, he’s joining that SDA church – those cults' …  and tried to get me to get out of there,” Jones continues in the video. “But I didn’t feel like I was being fooled. I could study it for myself.”

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In a statement released Tuesday, the Seventh-day Adventist Church in North America says Jones joined one of its Southern California congregations in June.

“Recently, Angus made some statements concerning his spiritual journey and expressed his views concerning the television program Two and a Half Men,” the statement says. “These comments are of a personal nature, reflecting his views after having undergone changes during his spiritual journey.”

“We welcome him with open arms to the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist Church family and are excited about his commitment to God through his recent baptism at his church.”

Religion scholars say they were not surprised by Jones’ comments deriding “Two and a Half Men,” speculating that his remarks might speak to the zeal of a new convert and to some of the particular tenets of Seventh-day Adventism.

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“Seventh-day Adventism has traditionally sought to practice a purity of life in all its expressions - leading a healthy lifestyle in all ways,” says Dell De Chant, a religious studies professor at the University of Southern Florida. “For Seventh-day Adventists, the body is God’s temple.”

“Everything from bad food to bad jokes would be considered a religious violation,” he says, referring to the raunchy humor that is a hallmark of “Two and a Half Men.”

One explanation for the abstemious Seventh-day Adventist lifestyle - which includes avoiding meat and alcohol - is a belief that we are living in the end times, and that Jesus Christ’s return is imminent.

The Seventh-day Adventist faith, part of the Protestant Christian tradition, emerged in the mid-1800s among a group of Americans who were anticipating the end of the world in a very real sense.

After the predicted date came and went - an event known to history as the “Great Disappointment” - the visions of a leader named Ellen White led to a reinterpretation of biblical prophesy and gave birth to the Seventh-day Adventists.

The tradition, which claims 17 million members around the world, takes its name from its observance of the Saturday Sabbath.

It still has an apocalyptic orientation. Hudson, the evangelist who taped the Jones video, is fond of citing the Book of Revelation, which revolves around the end of the world.

“We are sharing the gospel to hasten the second coming of Jesus Christ,” says Hudson, who contacted Jones through a California-based Seventh-day Adventist ministry.

Speaking about “Two and a Half Men," which was in the headlines last year after the very public departure of star Charlie Sheen, Hudson says, “We don’t want anything debilitating our natural capacities in our mind.”

“We have to cast off the works of darkness, from fornication to drunkenness to the things that may be a part of pop culture,” he says.

In its statement on Tuesday, the Seventh-day Adventist Church alludes to Hudson, saying the person who hosts the media ministry where the Jones interview was posted is not a Seventh-day Adventist pastor.

Hudson, for his part, says he was born into the Seventh-day Adventist Church and was baptized in the year 2000, describing himself as an evangelist who “travels around and shares the message of Jesus.”

His ministry, the Forerunner Chronicles, posted the video on its website.

On Tuesday, Jones released a statement apologizing for possibly offending the cast and crew of “Two and a Half Men” in the video.

“I have been the subject of much discussion, speculation and commentary over the past 24 hours,” Jones says in the statement. “While I cannot address everything that has been said or right every misstatement or misunderstanding, there is one thing I want to make clear.

“Without qualification,” the statement continues, “I am grateful to and have the highest regard and respect for all of the wonderful people on Two and Half Men with whom I have worked and over the past ten years who have become an extension of my family. “

The statement does not mention Jones’ newfound faith. But Hudson says he talked to Jones on Monday and that “he is certainly maintaining himself quite well.”

“I really have a great deal of respect for this young man,” Hudson says. “He is mature beyond his years.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. WASP

    you know i'm one of those odd atheists that wishes all you religious freaks were truly right about the whole "end of the world." thing...............................so atleats then you all would finally shut the F UP.
    good day.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • lol??

      Bully americultian. Your gubmint Beast is in charge of everything. And worse than broke, of course, slave.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • lol??

      You must have women keeping the books. Or worse, girly-men.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I would agree wasp if it was like the believers in "rapture"...and they just left.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Saraswati

      I find them a little sad to watch when they find they are wrong, but it seems that if you are finding them so disturbing as that you're putting yourself in the wrong environments. I can go months without even thinking about these people – did you buy a house square in the middle of some sort of vocal end-of-world community or something?

      November 29, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • lol??

      cheesie, that sounds like a bully impulse, which is a common trait of americultians.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • WASP

      @SARA: nah i was raised in the south and now live in NYC............. so i can't escape these freaks.
      @lol: how many of those loving christians lost their lives due to the "end of the world" christian con artists? the last guy made a huge sum of money due to his hoax and people lost their lives.....................guess what after may 21 2011 the world is still spinning.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Saraswati – you must not live in the heart of the bible belt like some of us. There are 9 churches in the mile between my office and the next stop light. When I'm introduced to someone new, their first question isn't "what do you do?", it's "what church do you go to?" On my way out of town on the interstate, in the first 5 miles there are 12 billboards for various churches. There are also 2 billboards damning folks like me to hell.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Cheesy – if you want to piss off these nutters, tell them the rapture happened last year and they must have been left behind.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Saraswati

      @Prime, I live in the south for 4 years. I'd either get to a uni town or move. There's really no point in putting yourself through that.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Great idea Prime! If we could actually get them to believe it maybe they would lighten up a little....or suicide...probably 50/50.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • lol??

      Wow, "freaks" from wasp and now "suicide" from cheesie.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • lol??

      "Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you." That is prophecy about these americultians.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Which God?

      @ Prime. I would tell them that I go to the "(insert your name), Church of What's Happening Now." I get the funniest looks, and then they walk away.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • /0\

      @ lol. You must be one of those girly-men you are so fond of referring to. Do they call you Tinkerbell, or are you referred to as Bu.ttwipe?

      November 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • lol??

      Witch, you could brag about your daddy. Here's some info:"Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

      November 29, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • End Religion

      primewonk, sounds like you are deep in the trenches. Dig deep and hold the line!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
  2. lol??

    Dear Ms. Ellen, "1Ti 2:11-13 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve." Don't like it??? Go start your own cult!

    November 29, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • BurningMan

      So grateful for your posts, lol??.

      Your words, in all your posts (and in this case, using pseudo-Paul's words) prove, as do the daily lives of Christians, the non-existence of the Christian god.

      One need only to observe the lives of Christians to confirm this.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • lol??

      Dare goes da judge, burning.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:19 am |
  3. Lee

    If he's so disgusted by the message and sorry to be on the show maybe he should give the 350k he earns per episode to needy children. I don't see him decrying the money.
    Hypocrite.

    November 29, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • lol??

      Envy. Commie.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • sam stone

      They should write him off. Kill off his character in an amusing or embarrasing manner

      November 29, 2012 at 9:34 am |
  4. Shawn L

    Run away from religion Angus, you seem to be a nice kid, don't ruin your life for some creepy cult.

    November 29, 2012 at 7:45 am |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    November 29, 2012 at 5:59 am |
    • Geoff

      You always post this same thing - exactly the same. Always starts a war of idiots - therefore, you are a troll.

      November 29, 2012 at 6:30 am |
    • nope

      @g ... off
      nope

      November 29, 2012 at 7:13 am |
    • Saraswati

      I wouldn't mind the same thing being posted over and over if it had any chance of reaching a target audience; I'm all for well formed debate and interesting information. This repeated post, however, contains neither of those things and, for me at least, it's disturbing to see that someone wastes their time over and over posting something that has no possible end but to annoy others. I'm not sure what to conclude here. Does the poster genuinely have no idea that evidence of some sort (even bad evidence) is required to reach people who disagree with you? Is he or she sitting alone somewhere in need of some sort of psychiatiric help? The Hinduism is Evil poster is disturbing for that reason, because we know we can do nothing to help someone who clearly needs it, but I can't tell with this person. I'd like to beleve it's just ignorance and therefore just a bit annoying. Maybe it's just some teenage kid who's also posting all the "Nopes" and a bunch of Atheism comments in response to their own comment, but that, too, is disturbing as it conjures images of lonely, obese 15 yo boy sitting over his computer in a basement getting Doritos on the keyboard and heading for lifelong depression.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "John 3:16" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" is the degenerate.

      This troll is not a christian.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...

      November 29, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • snopes confirms

      nope is false

      November 29, 2012 at 10:52 am |
  6. amkramar

    correction: "the visions of a leader named Ellen White" did not lead "to a reinterpretation of biblical prophesy". A study of the Bible in the face of mocking and derision after the Great Disappointment led to the discovery that the 7th day is the still the Sabbath, and that the sanctuary to be cleansed according to Daniel 8:14 was not the earth as was assumed by the Millerite adventists, but rather the heavenly sanctuary described in Hebrews (esp. 8:5). The visions of Ellen White were more of a confirmation. All of her writings are made available for free on http://www.egwwritings.org

    November 29, 2012 at 4:36 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Yeah....that's the ticket....they were more of a conformation....get it?

      November 29, 2012 at 5:36 am |
  7. Eden Outpost

    Congratulations Angus. Heaven is a far better reward than money or fame. Unbelievers abound as always and they have no real hope. Jesus is the Creator of this world and all the universe and He will reward those who serve Him faithfully and who love His holy law of ten commandments. A true Christian is a happy person with a hope that will surely be realized for eternity. Those who love this world will get what they love and then they will be no more. It's their choice. I for one am truly happy being a Christian and I have every right to believe what I have come to know to be right and good. I'm also a Seventh-day Adventist and love it from my heart. Scoffers and Unbelievers ... eat, drink, and be merry ... for tomorrow you die. Choose life eternal now before its too late to choose like in the days of the antediluvian world and the great flood. Only 8 souls lived out of all the worlds population. How sad.

    November 29, 2012 at 3:47 am |
    • ranta

      congrats my boy.God is life. please remain strong. dont forget that the enemy is at work. so you will face many challenges but dont give up.Gos is and will always be with you.

      November 29, 2012 at 4:20 am |
    • Apostate

      You guys are creepy...

      November 29, 2012 at 5:39 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      So, I assume you SDA idiots have better proof for your god than the other cults. Care to share it, or are use as delusional as all the others?

      November 29, 2012 at 7:02 am |
    • Jenny

      He's already got the money and fame. He's not replacing it, just adding to what he already has.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • Saraswati

      @Jenny, If he holds onto his money and invests it well you may be right, but he won't work on a major Hollywoood production again after telling people not to watch his own show. If he stays will this group he might get second rate parts in some of the kinds of projects Kirk Cameron works on. But where Cameron was a young teen heart throb who sould still, with much decreased earnings, pull a living on such non-mainstream projects, this kid doesn't have anything like that position.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:38 am |
  8. worldcares

    Stay focused and always look at the whole picture.

    November 29, 2012 at 2:13 am |
  9. Blarg

    "a belief that we are living in the end times, and that Jesus Christ’s return is imminent."

    Yeah, because people haven't been saying that for the last 2,000 years, or anything...

    November 29, 2012 at 1:51 am |
    • Jenny

      2000 years of sitting on the edge of their seats would explain why many of them are such pains in the a$$. 🙂

      November 29, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • BurningMan

      @ Jenny....

      ...thanks...now I won't be able to sleep today because I can't stop laughing...

      November 29, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Which God?

      Jenny, that was falling down funny! Can I steal that line?

      November 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  10. ES

    Angus, I am so proud of you for having the courage and faith to speak out against the filth on that show...and most of the shows like it on TV.
    Don't listen to the critics. You think and speak correctly.
    God Bless:)

    November 29, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • Blarg

      Divinities are the primitives explanation for why the sun moves across the sky. They are a holdout from the infancy of our species. They are no longer necessary for civilized life to continue. Soon, hopefully during my lifetime, we will live in a world not dominated by ancient myths.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:52 am |
    • BosMonkey

      Pretty easy to do when you are locked into a contract making over $330,000 an episode. No courage there. IMO the kid is a fool letting others mold his thinking. Now he's just another sheep. No independent thoughts coming from this guy going forward, it's all going to be fed to him. Poor b@stard.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • Ben

      More likely, this is the kid's "Child Actor" moment: Joining a cult!

      November 29, 2012 at 8:32 am |
  11. Ex-Christian

    He may be happy and excited now but just wait until his "god" disappoints him time and time again. I have had my fair share of run-ins with the SDA group and for the most part they are good, kind people but are mislead by their faith in a deity that either does not exist or simply does not care about his followers. Life is too short to get hung up in such things as religion. Live your life to the fullest, it's the only one you've got.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • brenda

      ex-christian it seems u were in the right place for all the wrong reasons u can never know the happiness we find in God because u simply dont know what u want

      November 29, 2012 at 1:51 am |
    • Ex-Christian

      Brenda
      Believe me when I say that I did love God with all my heart, he was what made me truly happy in life. Then I had some things happen to people around me, to myself and to people I care about and I witnessed the injustices God allowed to happen. There are other reasons I turned away (God not helping me fulfill his wishes, especially when I needed his help most) but I won't delve into that story in this particular post.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:59 am |
    • adventistdude

      Dude many times we do not want to wait on the Lord to see what he has for us. Many times we dont have to patience to listen for an answer from the Lord. Im sure once the Spirit leads you back, you will recognize and submit. I was where you were once because of deaths i couldnt understand. His ways are not our ways, but I do trust him based on the specific ways he has made himself manifest to me. Many times. So hurry up bro, because theres nothing out there in the world, which is jussst about done anyway.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:39 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      adventistdude,

      You guys keep saying the world is almost done....and you keep getting it wrong, isn't it kind of embarassing after a while? Remember the invisible and the non-existent look a lt alike.

      November 29, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • Ben

      Not likely that he'll get disappointed very soon when the definition for God is "everything that's good in your life".

      November 29, 2012 at 8:35 am |
  12. Yabba Dabba Don't

    Okay, so this kiddo joins a cult, Charlie Sheen went gag-ga and went winning on mercury surfboards with smoking goddesses . . . what is it about that show that drives its actors insane? Was there a toxic spill on the soundstage that they didn't clean up right?

    November 29, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • End Religion

      And as the show crumbles around him, Jon Cryer is simply trying to maintain a paycheck... poor fella.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • BosMonkey

      I know, John Cryer is jsut trying to earn a living and has to deal with these freaks. He has the most talent out of anyone that's been on the show too. :/

      November 29, 2012 at 8:13 am |
  13. Reality

    "The Seventh-day Adventist Church[2][3] (The Great Disappointment) is a Protestant Christian[4] denomination distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[5] the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent second coming (advent) of Jesus Christ.

    Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to Protestant Christian teachings such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. Distinctive teachings include the unconscious state of the dead and the doctrine of an investigative judgment.

    The Seventh-day Adventist Church formed out of the movement known today as the Millerites. In 1831, a Baptist convert, William Miller (until then a Deist), was asked by a Baptist to preach in their church and began to preach that the Second Advent of Jesus would occur somewhere between March 1843 and March 1844, based on his interpretation of Daniel 8:14. A following gathered around Miller that included many from the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian and Christian Connection churches. In the summer of 1844, some of Miller's followers promoted the date of October 22. They linked the cleansing of the sanctuary of Daniel 8:14 with the Jewish Day of Atonement, believed to be October 22 that year. By 1844, over 100,000 people were anticipating what Miller had called the "Blessed Hope". On October 22 many of the believers were up late into the night watching, waiting for Christ to return and found themselves bitterly disappointed when both sunset and midnight passed with their expectations unfulfilled. This event later became known as the Great Disappointment."

    November 29, 2012 at 12:16 am |
  14. pamela j reynolds

    Fred – Honey, take a look at Col 3:22 and Eph 6:5. And then, Sweetie – grow up.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • fred

      We would all do well to look at that verse:” 22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving”
      Notice that all men are treated equally before the Lord. Slavery was the mode of time (this is not the same as the black slave trade as it was a bond servant then). Today we have companies that rule over their workers and the workers are slaves to their car payments or bank or whatever as culture has changed but employer/employee or master/servant has not. Now if you work for you boss as if you were doing it for God just how much better would your att-itude be? How much more productive would you be? If your reward was out of this world instead of an extra 20cents an hour.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • EvolvedDNA

      and you ,Fred are a slave to your myth..

      November 29, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • fred

      Evolved DNA
      We have a short life which reveals our eternal soul. There will be no question in the end as to what your life amounted to. I see a promised land much as Abraham did and yes I am a slave to that dream. What are you a slave to and where do you think you will be in 200 years?

      November 29, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Ex-Christian

      @Fred

      Unless science makes a miraculous discovery of a method of immortality within the next few decades (which won't happen while being challenged by the religious right constantly) then in 200 years EvolvedDNA will be either decomposing in the ground, in an urn on someone's coffee table, or spread through one of his favorite places. As for you and I, our fate will be the same. I envy your ability to have such childish hope in what is hopeless and yet I am sad that you miss out on the true glory of life.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • fred

      Ex-Christian
      Not sure what I could be missing out on. I was agnostic most of my life until going through a miraculous conversion experience. Today I am real with the people around me, race faster than I ever imagined and have a God that provides everything I need. On top of that I understand it gets even better. The Bible says we cannot even imagine what joy is before us.
      If I am wrong I will agree with you that neither of us will know the difference.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • Ex-Christian

      Fred
      I suppose it would be different for you then, you didn't really have much hope and then you found something to put your faith in. I, on the other hand, was raised a Christian all my life and had an immense love of God however I soon began to realize that my selfless prayers were going unanswered and the bigotry of the religious was starting to become more and more apparent. There were times in my life that I thought God had done something special but that was so long ago I can't really know if my mind is simply romanticizing the moment. I don't doubt that a god could very well exist but if he does then he is ignoring the urgent cries of help not only from lifelong believers like myself, but from the dying children all around the world, those afflicted with disease and suffering, those treated cruelly even in the name of religion and countless others who cry out to him in distress only to be ignored.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • fred

      Ex-Christian
      You are right as God pulled me out of a dark freefall. In times of dispare and loss I look back to where God found me and where God placed me. When the pain continues too long I find encouraging words from Christians and their prayers annoying. Yet, I keep praying and looking for the presence of God in the midst of all the suffering. The time seems to pass and soon the presence of God is strong. What gets me through is focus off me, off the darkness and off the present and onto God and the promises.
      I have a long list of the wonderful things God has done in answer to prayer that I keep in my heart. Sometimes I need to back all the way through to the point where Christ came into my life. By then thankfulness has overcome my soul and I know the promise is real “for I will never leave you or forsake you”.
      The part I do not like is that the deepest lessons and deepest faith comes out of the longest nights and what seems to be unanswered prayer. Yep, I have given up on God many times but God has never given up on me. Just put it all out before God in prayer until you have the presence. Find a pastor that knows how to pray personally with you . God will provide.
      Gads, I am starting to sound like a sappy Hallmark card.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:12 am |
    • Ex-Christian

      Fred
      Your words actually seemed to really strike me and you are the first person I have met who seems to understand and not judge. Although there is still much time before I decide whether to turn back to God or not your words have touched my heart and I do appreciate them. I can sleep easily knowing that there are still some people out there like you.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • fred

      Ex-Christian
      Thank you for that encouraging word, it was a blessing. I will keep you in my prayers tonight. Take care

      November 29, 2012 at 2:29 am |
  15. Nighty night

    Teach me to live that I may dread
    The grave as little as my bed.
    Teach me to die that so I may
    Rise glorious at the awe-ful Day.

    November 28, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Charles Manson

      Teach you to die? Okay . . .

      November 29, 2012 at 12:36 am |
  16. HOPE4_CHANGE

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.....its that simple no given up meat, or even alcohol in moderation....just let your self believe.. you'll be surprised how many "proud atheist" cry out to him when there facing a life threaten illness.......I would rather die believing in Christ then taking my chances...merry CHRISTmas .........

    November 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Apostate

      I don't believe, I think it is bunch of hooey.....so for my lack of belief I should be punished for a thought crime (unbelief) for eternity.

      Your god of unconditional love....has one condition.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Magic

      HOPE4_CHANGE,

      Don't forget to cross your fingers and knock on wood...have a happy THORsday .......!

      November 29, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Reality

      Paul of Taurus was first of the "necessary accessories". He recognized early on the great wealth of Roman and Greek Gentiles so he wrote his epistles raising Jesus and his embellished life from the dead and the Gentiles "ate it up". His promise of the imminent second coming was shear brilliance in gathering much silver and gold (the prime necessary accessory). The Romans got jealous ending the life of the first necessay accessory.

      Pilate, although not the founder of Christianity, was another "necessary accessory i.e. he could have easily sent Jesus to the salt mines.

      Constantine and his swords finished the "necessary accessory" scenario.

      i.e. Christmas is actually Necessary Accessory Day or Necaccmas !!!

      November 29, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • WASP

      @change
      1) merry PAGAN HOLIDAY ADOPTED BY CHRISTIANS THEN COMMERCIALIZED BY AMERICANS
      2) hope accomplishes nothing get off your knees and WORK FOR CHANGE.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:14 am |
  17. Waarii

    Ahh! The fervor of the new convert. It'll wear off. Been there done that. The only good thing that'll come out of this is that on ce the fervor wears off, he still will be left with the concept of good and evil and the tenets of Christianity. That's a positive thing for himself and the society as well.

    November 28, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
  18. Jeff

    I tell you, Atheism has BECOME a religion and has a strong following who seek to bash everyone else Christian style!

    November 28, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • And not collecting stamps is a hobby

      .

      November 28, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Stamp Collector

      Responding to "And not collecting stamps is a hobby." Sure, unless those people join anti-stamp collecting forums and read anti-stamp collecting books, and post derogatory jokes about stamp collectors. Or if they complain about always having stamps shoved in their face and proceed to try to convince us that stamps don't exist. Then one might think they were a group of some sort. Sound familiar?

      November 29, 2012 at 2:18 am |
    • End Religion

      @StampColon: Let me get this straight, your argument is "people who may have similarities are practicing a religion." Do I have that right? There's a difference between religion and "people who hang out together."

      November 29, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Just remember. Religion began the argument. It amplifies itself before the world. And it threatens all mankind with punishment upon its rejection.

      And as long as religion insists on fixing human beings who are not broken, we will respond with the evidence that we are not the problem.

      November 29, 2012 at 5:48 am |
    • In Reason I Trust

      You idiots walk around actually believing in Super Santa Claus and expect us to say nothing?

      Religion is a thought virus-it corrupts the ability to think rationally. Magic virgin babies, magic gardens, magic apples, it's pathetic.

      November 29, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • Sam Stone

      Jeff: And, you'd be wrong

      November 29, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  19. Name*david williams

    Give the kid a break! He'll learn that everything is not as black and white as he has been told. Life takes time, and with time we experience and learn.

    November 28, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
  20. Evangelical

    This show needs to be taken off the air. If enough Christians write the FCC, they will have to remove this filth from the public air waves.

    November 28, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Christians are the one's watching the show.

      November 28, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Lets also write the gov't about getting rid of books that promote slavery and genocide, owning people is wrong and any book that condons it should be banned....we can start with the bible.

      November 28, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • fred

      Blessed Cheese Maker
      The Bible does not approve of slavery any more than an American history book advocates scalping Indians. I assume you are joking but just in case

      November 28, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      fred, the bible has long lists of what it says are right and wrong activities and behaviors. Please show me the passage that says owning people is wrong....

      November 28, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Robert Warner

      I am offended by the Bible. We should all call the FCC and make sure all religious shows are pulled. After all, we have the right to force our morals on YOU, right?

      November 28, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      and fred, no one claims an American history book is written or inspired by a "moral law giving supernatural being".....but I would be more than happy to have the bible treated as a man made book of bronze age fiction and nothing more.....deal.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • fred

      Blessed Cheesmaker
      Exodus 21:16
      He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • fred

      Blessed Cheesemaker
      Abraham was told by God about his tribe (the Hebrews) that will be put into 400 years of slavery in Egypt and replied:
      Genesis 15:13-14
      13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.
      14 “And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.1

      November 28, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      fred, you moron, that passage is about KIDNAPPING someone and then selling them. God commanded those same people to commit acts of genocide and then enslave the young virgins to own as slaves and marry them and to own other slaves from other places. Don't lie about the bible; it makes baby Jesus cry.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      fred, you complain atheists cherry pick passages and take them out of context....and then you cherry pick and take them out of context.

      The previous 15 verses in Exodus 21 are all rules about keeping slaves. The verse you refer to does not say or even imply that slavery is wrong, it says you cannot kidnap a man that is not already a slave and then sell him as a slave. You are being deceiptful to the point that you are lying....now the bible DOES say you should not lie...way to go fred

      Exodus 21: 1-15

      November 28, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Akira

      No, Evangelical, they don't.
      As long as people are watching, and people *are*, it will remain on the air, just as it has for the last ten years.
      If a show offends someone, or the humor portrayed there isn't to one's liking, one shouldn't watch; plenty of other people clearly do.

      I don't watch it myself.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • EnoughAlready

      @ Fred Leviticus 25:44-46 Do pay attention.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      As far as Genesis....your wonderful god was only refering to te Isrealies and he again failed to say slavery itself was wrong, only that they would be rewarded after their captivity.....you failed again fred....god will judge you for you failure to properly defend his promotion of slavery.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • fred

      Moby
      Then I suggest you go out and scalp some Indians as I can you show you American History books and local ordances that command you to take scalps.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • fred

      Blessed Cheesemaker
      I am not the one pulling verses out of context. The Bible was not written in chapters and verses as you find them, this was done for the ease of non Hebrew readers thousands of years latter. The verse you pull (exodus 21) is a continuation of the commands when Moses came down from the Mt with 10 commandments. The scroll begins with Exodus 20 " And God spoke all these words: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
      The list continues into the detail of slaves you bring up in Exodus 21.
      God gives a clear warning as these Hebrews just came out of 400 years of brutal slavery. They are never to forget the cruelty they encountered. God now sets limits on how they should treat slaves kindly not like the other nations around them do.

      November 28, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • fred

      Enough already
      You must take passages from Leviticus 25:38-46 together as they are one. Once again in Leviticus 25:38 it begins with a warning “38 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.” Before it continues with the bond servants. These rules are the first to bring about fair treatment of bond servants. These chosen ones (Hebrews) were to be different than the surrounding peoples. Those around them were nasty and cruel towards slaves much as Egypt was. Starvation and harsh desert reality made these limits imposed by God a blessing. The commands do not establish the slave market they set the first rules for proper treatment.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • Bobby

      You don't like it change the channel plain and simple. It is fake. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you're right. I'm also christian yet i'm a christian with a brain one who can actually think. We aren't supposed to judge. Yet you seem to think it's your right to tell people everything they should and shouldn't do. Give me a break. Oh and grow up.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • fred

      Blessed Cheesemaker
      What do you not understand about a people that were just released from 400 years of slavery? This was the way in that time and the Hebrew were on the raw end of the stick until the Exodus. In plain english God said Hey don't you ever forget what it was like to be a slave under a harsh master. Do not be harsh with your slaves for I am the Lord your God. Slaves were a necessity then because we did not have minimum wage laws. Please put your head back 3,400 years. That same time period the Bible also warns them to bury their poop. Does God condone poop burying? Should God have commanded do not poop? Thou must wait 3,400 years for flushing toilets to be invented?

      November 29, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • Glynn

      If you don't like what is on television, turn the channel. YOU are in no position to determine what I or anyone else may choose to watch on television. End of discussion.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      fred,

      I asked where you god said that owning people is wrong. All you have said is that your god wants to treat slave decently....you know....nice....you can beat them....you just can't beat them to death......

      you are late for your "Liars for Jesus".

      November 29, 2012 at 12:38 am |
    • fred

      Blessed Cheesemakers
      It would have been immoral for God to command there shall be no bondservants in a Hebrew household. I say bondservant as that is in keeping with what is meant by slaves at that time. Not only would the bondservants have suffered abuse at the hands of the other nations but if no one would take them they would starve or be killed. It was a privilege to a bondservant to a good master especially a Hebrew that understood how God expects others to be treated.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • jaw4

      Don't like it? Don't watch it. I saw one episode about 4 years ago and said "eh." I just don't think it's funny enough for me to waste 30 minutes. I don't watch religious shows either-because I think they're hosted by lying money-grubbing con artists using "the fear of God" of people like you to line their pockets. In fact,they offend me and I think such shows need to be taken off the air. If enough intelligent people write the FCC, they will have to remove these liars from the public air waves. I mean- I don't like them so I have the right to deny you the right to watch them. That's fair, right?

      November 29, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • End Religion

      ...and finally there we have it, from fred, slaves are privileged! Bondservent... lol

      November 29, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • back when fred was getting around a bit more . . .

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuet7GRv7Bo

      November 29, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Oh fred, you are right, it would have been immoral for your god to outlaw slavery. If being a bondservant is so good and moral why don't you get one here? Oh...that's right...it's illegal because we have determined that having "bondservants" is wrong. So basically we have set up a more just system than your omnipotent....errr....I mean impotent god.

      "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron – Judges 1:19

      November 29, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • tallulah13

      Evangelical: You may not know this, but when a grown-up doesn't like something on TV, they change channels or shut the TV off. See, it's not up to you to censor other people's choices. The First Amendment is a powerful tool, and it protects the rights of everyone to express themselves.

      If you don't like the thought of free speech, perhaps you could go to one of the theocracies in the middle east, or maybe to a nice communist country like North Korea or China.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • fred

      Blessed are the Cheesemakers
      The Lord is with Judah which is a good thing. The Lord was with Moses when Moses died and with Abel when Chain murdered him etc. God is omnipotent but Judah is but a human like you and I. They most likely referred to the army not God with a tank when “they” could not defeat….
      When Tim Tebow lost in the playoffs God was with Tim.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:50 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      fred, a sign that you are in an abusive relationship is that you minimize your abusers poor behavior and continually make excuses for them.

      November 29, 2012 at 5:52 am |
    • NII

      THE SLAVERY AND BIBLE DEBATE
      1 God forbade runaway slaves from being returned
      2 If you sleep with a slave girl she becomes your wife and her children have an inheritance as freeborn children.
      3. No kidnapping. People must sell themselves.
      just these 3 rules will have made Trans-Atlantic American slavery extinct.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • Primewonk

      NII wrote, " No kidnapping. People must sell themselves."

      Leviticus 25: 44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Leviticus 25:7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. "

      Sorry NII, but your god was one sick putz.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • NII

      Leviticus 25: 44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Where does it say you may kidnap them as slaves and resell?

      Leviticus 25:7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. "
      Lier that is not what Lev 25:7 says.
      Here is what it does say..

      New International Version (©1984)
      as well as for your livestock and the wild animals in your land. Whatever the land produces may be eaten
      Atheists can't be trusted. If you don't know why dont' you ask?
      The full passage actually says that if you buy a slave girl you cannot resell her but you can only let her go free if you are displeased with her. Especially if you desired to marry her or give her as a wife to your son. Again another nail in the coffin of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Which God?

      Freddy boy. The Romans had "flushing" toilets more than 2000yrs ago. You need to read REAL history, not the schitt your babble and preacher tell you.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Saraswati

      @fred

      "It would have been immoral for God to command there shall be no bondservants in a Hebrew household. I say bondservant as that is in keeping with what is meant by slaves at that time. Not only would the bondservants have suffered abuse at the hands of the other nations but if no one would take them they would starve or be killed. It was a privilege to a bondservant to a good master especially a Hebrew that understood how God expects others to be treated."

      My problem with this is god's unwillingness to provide a new edition. Textbooks are updated almost yearly, and this all powerful god can't come down and hand us the updated no-slavery version? This of course is why we have a whole series of prophets following Jesus, with more and more current ideas. By the time you get to one like Bahá'u'lláh they're really a lot closer to modern ideas, though even he made the mistake of saying he was the last and sticking his people with a bunch of anti-gay ideas that no longer float. I think the key for a prophet who really wants sticking power is to build flexibuility into the sytem.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
      these friends.

      (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

      (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

      (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

      (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

      (6) Emotional abuse – ­ religious concepts such as sin, hell, cause feelings of guilt, shame, fear, and other types of emotional "baggage" which can scar the
      psyche for life.

      (7) Violence – many patients insist that others should share in their delusions, even to the extent of using violence.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ NII – you wrote, " People must sell themselves".

      I gave you verses that showed folks were selling others, including their own kids. This is hardly "selling themselves".

      Just one more example of what a sick disgusting god you worship. And an example of how you nutters lie in the name of your sick disgusting god.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Sam Stone

      I guess you cvnts don't care much for free speech, eh?

      November 29, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • fred

      Saraswati
      "My problem with this is god's unwillingness to provide a new edition. "
      =>nothing has changed we just continue to make the same mistakes
      =>Jesus said when I go the Holy Spirit will come and bring you all truth. Believers today have that Holy Sprit (most do not follow) that will be with them till the end of time.
      =>then there is that book of Revelations that concludes if anyone adds any thing ot this Bible they are dead meat.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • NII

      PRIMEWONK
      THEY WERE MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILIES. NO KIDNAPPING! IT WAS A SACRIFICE THEY MADE FOR THEIR FAMILIES. THE TWO TYPES OF SLAVERY HAD NOTHING IN COMMON. ONE CREATED AN UNDER-CLASS THE OTHER DOES NOT. ABRAHAM'S SLAVE WAS TO INHERIT HIM IF HE DIED CHILDLESS EVEN THOUGH HE HAD BROTHERS. WHERE IN AMERICA DID THIS OCCUR? EVEN THEIR OWN CHILDREN WERE DESIGNATED SLAVES BECAUSE THEY WERE OF A DIFFERENT RACE.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:01 am |
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