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November 28th, 2012
02:25 PM ET

‘Two and a Half Men’ actor’s criticism of show shines light on Seventh-day Adventists

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – The Alabama-based evangelist Christopher Hudson has posted online videos promoting his Seventh-day Adventist faith for years, but none generated the response of the one he posted a few days ago, featuring “Two and a Half Men” actor Angus T. Jones.

The video shows Jones, the CBS sitcom’s “half man,” describing the show he has appeared in for nearly a decade as “filth” and discouraging viewers from tuning in - which has attracted a crush of media attention.

Hudson, who flew to Los Angeles last week to tape the video with the 19-year-old actor, says his phone has been ringing off the hook ever since he posted the video online on Sunday.

Suddenly, reporters and plenty of others who’ve tuned into the wildly popular “Two and Half Men” want to know about the Seventh-day Day Adventist tradition, which Jones says in the online video he has recently joined, connecting his conversion to his new outlook on the show.

“I just kept learning the basic messages of the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” Jones says in the video, telling of stopping into a Seventh-day Adventist Church with a friend recently and finding himself gripped by the pastor’s message. “I just loved it.”

“Some of my family was like, 'Oh, he’s joining that SDA church – those cults' …  and tried to get me to get out of there,” Jones continues in the video. “But I didn’t feel like I was being fooled. I could study it for myself.”

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In a statement released Tuesday, the Seventh-day Adventist Church in North America says Jones joined one of its Southern California congregations in June.

“Recently, Angus made some statements concerning his spiritual journey and expressed his views concerning the television program Two and a Half Men,” the statement says. “These comments are of a personal nature, reflecting his views after having undergone changes during his spiritual journey.”

“We welcome him with open arms to the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist Church family and are excited about his commitment to God through his recent baptism at his church.”

Religion scholars say they were not surprised by Jones’ comments deriding “Two and a Half Men,” speculating that his remarks might speak to the zeal of a new convert and to some of the particular tenets of Seventh-day Adventism.

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“Seventh-day Adventism has traditionally sought to practice a purity of life in all its expressions - leading a healthy lifestyle in all ways,” says Dell De Chant, a religious studies professor at the University of Southern Florida. “For Seventh-day Adventists, the body is God’s temple.”

“Everything from bad food to bad jokes would be considered a religious violation,” he says, referring to the raunchy humor that is a hallmark of “Two and a Half Men.”

One explanation for the abstemious Seventh-day Adventist lifestyle - which includes avoiding meat and alcohol - is a belief that we are living in the end times, and that Jesus Christ’s return is imminent.

The Seventh-day Adventist faith, part of the Protestant Christian tradition, emerged in the mid-1800s among a group of Americans who were anticipating the end of the world in a very real sense.

After the predicted date came and went - an event known to history as the “Great Disappointment” - the visions of a leader named Ellen White led to a reinterpretation of biblical prophesy and gave birth to the Seventh-day Adventists.

The tradition, which claims 17 million members around the world, takes its name from its observance of the Saturday Sabbath.

It still has an apocalyptic orientation. Hudson, the evangelist who taped the Jones video, is fond of citing the Book of Revelation, which revolves around the end of the world.

“We are sharing the gospel to hasten the second coming of Jesus Christ,” says Hudson, who contacted Jones through a California-based Seventh-day Adventist ministry.

Speaking about “Two and a Half Men," which was in the headlines last year after the very public departure of star Charlie Sheen, Hudson says, “We don’t want anything debilitating our natural capacities in our mind.”

“We have to cast off the works of darkness, from fornication to drunkenness to the things that may be a part of pop culture,” he says.

In its statement on Tuesday, the Seventh-day Adventist Church alludes to Hudson, saying the person who hosts the media ministry where the Jones interview was posted is not a Seventh-day Adventist pastor.

Hudson, for his part, says he was born into the Seventh-day Adventist Church and was baptized in the year 2000, describing himself as an evangelist who “travels around and shares the message of Jesus.”

His ministry, the Forerunner Chronicles, posted the video on its website.

On Tuesday, Jones released a statement apologizing for possibly offending the cast and crew of “Two and a Half Men” in the video.

“I have been the subject of much discussion, speculation and commentary over the past 24 hours,” Jones says in the statement. “While I cannot address everything that has been said or right every misstatement or misunderstanding, there is one thing I want to make clear.

“Without qualification,” the statement continues, “I am grateful to and have the highest regard and respect for all of the wonderful people on Two and Half Men with whom I have worked and over the past ten years who have become an extension of my family. “

The statement does not mention Jones’ newfound faith. But Hudson says he talked to Jones on Monday and that “he is certainly maintaining himself quite well.”

“I really have a great deal of respect for this young man,” Hudson says. “He is mature beyond his years.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Ray

    The Bible is easy to read and simple to understand and it is intended so; a simple christian should use the bible as a guide to their faith. No need extra interpretation from a pope or a pastor as they tend to interpret the bible with other things in mind. Mind you the pope is a political head.

    It is funny to see comment from the atheists or agnostics who believe in science and science only like the evolution theory: "man evolves from monkey". What about all the assumptions made in order to justify the evolution theory? Blindsided on this fact?

    Save it as it is, some people BELIEVE that Ossama bin Laden was killed by the US special team while others DO NOT BELIEVE, instead believing that Ossama is somewhere and nowhere. Some people BELIEVE that US astronaut never landed in the moon while others DO NOT.......

    It is our choice ...............

    December 3, 2012 at 4:54 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      And your point is? People will and do believe whatever they want? That's revelationary!

      Belief does not imply truth. Facts and evidence determine truth. There are no facts and evidence to support religion. There are facts and evidence to support evolution and that OBLis dead.

      Yes, people are free to believe anything they like but for subjects like religion, they must also ignore facts and evidence to the contrary.

      December 3, 2012 at 6:37 am |
    • sam stone

      Ray...no one is claiming man evolved from a monkey. Try to get it right if you are going to criticize it

      December 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • OTOH

      Ray,
      "a simple christian should use the bible as a guide to their faith. No need extra interpretation from a pope or a pastor as they tend to interpret the bible with other things in mind"

      And where do you think that this Bible that you read today came from?... ancient Hebrew guys, 1st century cult evangelists, 4th century Church guys, a 17th century British king.

      The Bible is a book which includes *some* history of primitive Hebrew culture, and *some* good advice for practical, beneficial human behavior, but mostly it is a compilation of ancient Middle Eastern historical fiction, myth, legend, superst.ition and fantasy.

      There is not a whit of verified evidence for any of the supernatural beings and events in that book.

      December 5, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Jim A.

      And this individual interpretation has led to thousands of differnt denominations all professing to preach the true word of God. By what right does a person of the 21st century with little understanding of Hebrew history and Apostolic times profess to possess the knowledge to effectively and accurately interpret the Bible?

      December 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  2. Schmorty

    What an idiot this kid is. Wait until he realizes what he's done. All of this religion is a boatload of crap. Hard to believe that smart people buy it.

    December 2, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Ray

      You are too quick to judge a person as an idiot; it usually reflects the person who judges.... check yourself..

      December 3, 2012 at 6:15 am |
  3. Milton Hare

    I'm an Adventist but just look at his basic message. His TV program isn't right, isn't uplifting, doesn't contribute anything good to the garden of the mind. Most Adventists watch a lot of TV, and some are probably admitting to themselves that they shouldn't be watching Two and a Half Men anyway, but I say, don't watch TV at all. Far too slippery a medium to be trusted for the images and words that bombard you. Why take that level of morality into you and your family's living room?

    December 1, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      An interesting experiment. Stop watching TV for thirty days. In that time try, reading, exercising, being with friends or family, enjoy a hobby, take walks, paint or play music. After thirty days, try to sit down and watch your old favorite shows. I did it three years ago and ended up selling my TV's and have never looked back. Life is too good without it.

      December 3, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ,

    December 1, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  5. Reality

    Angus obviously believes in things like the Trinity, the resurrection, unconscious state of the dead (how does that work?), and the investigative judgment, a unique Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, which asserts that a divine judgment of professed Christians has been in progress since 1844.

    In the 21st century, all of this is absurd making Angus even dumber than his character Jake on Two and 1/2 Men.

    December 1, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Kell

      The unconscious state of the dead is a way of saying that we as SDA's believe that once someone dies, they are dead. Meaning they do not go up to Heaven or pass to some plane of existence, they die and are 'asleep' until Christ returns. In other words they have no knowledge of what's going on in the world and they do not influence things.

      There are a few exceptions where God brought individuals directly to Heaven, but on the most part those who die are unknowing of what goes on until Jesus' return.

      December 1, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Reality

      And now for some 21st century reality:

      Saving Christians to include SDAs from the Infamous Resurrection Con/

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

      The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      December 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • whiterg57

      How does the unconscious state of the dead work? What does the word "dead" mean, anyway? If you are wondering how people get to heaven, that's simple. Just read I Thessalonians 4. Jesus is coming to awaken those who sleep in Him, and to catch them up along with His living saints to be with Him forever! As for there being a judgment, before Jesus comes, that only stands to reason, because He is bringing His reward with Him.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Reality

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man (or Paul) would do or say?

      December 2, 2012 at 10:29 am |
  6. John

    We throw the word cult around and have a no idea what a cult is. Here is the definition from The free dictionary by Farlex:

    CULT

    a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
    b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
    2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
    3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
    4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
    5.
    a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
    b. The object of such devotion.
    6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

    THIS DEFINITION COULD POINT TO ANY GROUP...MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS ANYBODY.

    People if these people point to Jesus Christ as their Saviour–THEY ARE NOT A CULT!
    Thats what the Bible says!!!!!

    People if these people say that the 7th day is the Sabbath and they point to SCRIPTURE and not some lunatic leader....THEY ARE NOT A CULT!

    People if these people eat HEALTHY and point to the BIBLE AS THE REASON FOR DOING IT!...THEY ARE NOT A CULT. Cults point to their leader and their leader uses the bible to manipulate people to follow his words.

    So all im saying we throw that word CULT out a lot but have no idea what it means!! Are there bad people with motives other than pleasing God of course they are. You can find that in every religion! And you can find that in any organization! But cults dont point to the truth of the bible they distort the truth. So if they have proven their case you unprove it. Its easy to say they are a cult and you have no idea what they stand for!!

    I am not a 7th day adventist although I do gather with other beleivers on the 7th day and I do beleive in the return of Jesus Christ (Adventist) oh by the way Adventist means that they believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ. If you beleive the same that makes you an Adventist. You might go to church on Sunday which is the first day of the week so in a sense that makes you a first day adventist. FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!

    December 1, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • DB

      All the points you make are true. Having been raised SDA, I would like to point out that Ellen White's visions and the resulting books are central to Adventism. Most of their doctrine and lifestyle choices are direct results of her writings which are quoted with great frequency. They view the bible through the lens provided by Ellen White. Adventists believe that they are the only ones going to heaven and this belief causes many to view themselves as superior to others.

      December 1, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Ed

      To DB;
      Seventh-day Adventists DO NOT believe they are the only ones going to heaven. The church was formed in 1863. What about all those great Christians that lived before 1863. I invite you to go to one of our services in a SDA church near you.

      December 1, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Kell

      @DB. As an Adventist I can say that I do not believe I will be the only one in Heaven, however I can also say that there are members of the SDA church and indeed any other church you will run into that believes their faith is the only true faith and that they will be the only ones saved. It does not make it true, it's just human nature to want to organize and have a hierarchal structure.

      Does it make it right? No, but as for me, I will love Jesus, I find that doing that is far better than constantly judging other churches and their teachings.

      December 1, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • whiterg57

      DB wrote:

      "Adventists believe that they are the only ones going to heaven and this belief causes many to view themselves as superior to others."

      This statement is simply false. Not to say that any church is entirely free of arrogant members, Adventists do NOT believe that they alone will be saved. Yes, there is an Adventist belief that the Biblical 7th-day Sabbath will become a test for all mankind at some future time. However, this does not imply that any or all present-day Adventists will even stand the test themselves!

      December 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Sincerely

      Very well said John. I was raised SDA and attempt to practice such. I am in no way in what people consider a cult. I don't always do what I know that I should, I don't attend church every week as I should and I don't practice all that I should, and in no way am I banished, threatened or any such thing which is common in what people consider "cults."

      December 2, 2012 at 9:45 am |
  7. kindness

    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
    We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
    And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
    The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
    Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
    “How many anvils have you had,” said I,
    “To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
    “Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
    “The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
    And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
    For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
    Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
    The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.

    Truth is..exclusive

    November 30, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  8. elklram

    If the SDA (or any group) have believed that the the end of times has been " imminent" since the 1800's, perhaps they should try to get that word redefined so that their beliefs don't sound quite as absurd.(Although, there may be some point when the "end of times" occurs, and I have no doubt that all those believers will say "see, we told you !" )

    November 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • End Religion

      There will be an "end of times" for humans. Either manmade or cosmological. It just won't be supernatural. And it won't matter which imaginary thing one prayed to.

      November 30, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Kell

      We believe in the soon-coming return of Christ, yes. But that does not mean we live each day in a hidey hole to try and be ready for some apocalypse. Awaiting Christ's return does not mean we as SDA's fail to live life. It just means living every day to the fullest, as if it's your last, having no regrets. It means spreading the Gospel to all who will hear.

      I have no need for a doomsday and that is not what the SDA faith is. I do however have a need to be reconciled with God, my creator. To live in a world with no more pain, no more tears, no more wars, and no more death. So yes, I eagerly await God's return, not for annihilation, but for reconciliation.

      December 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • whiterg57

      Not a problem, Elikiram. The Scriptures teach that God is very patient (as in a thousand years are like a day to Him), not willing that any should perish. So, any delay on God's part is due to His great kindness. Nevertheless, the end will come.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  9. Extremist Ideology

    SDA share the same ideological beliefs as any other radical extremist group. They are using social networking as a tactic to spread their ideology. Unfortunately, Angus has fallen victim. The SDA are getting exactly what they want; publicity.

    meh
    Counter-terrorism and Intel Specialist

    November 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Truth Seeker

      Interesting, isn't this what Adventist are saying will happen someday?

      http://religiousliberty.tv/black-friday-and-renewed-calls-for-weekly-rest-days.html

      November 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • whiterg57

      There's radical and there's radical. Taking the word literally, it's good and right to get down to the root of things. Becoming unbalanced and going to extremes is, of course, not wise. You should take another look at what Adventists actually stand for. You might be surprised.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  10. Truth Seeker

    SDA Cult

    I read that the SDA believe:

    That they believe one person is God on earth.

    Believe that whatever he say is infalliable – even if it contradicts the bible.

    That all are wrong if they are out of the church and are damned to hell.

    Loved ones who have died are in limbo paying pennance in purgatory.

    That they attempt to sacrifice Christ every week and eat His actual body and drink His actual blood.

    Believe in a Goddess who they call the Queen of Heaven.

    Are the wealthiest church on earth by hood-winking its members.

    Sounds strange to me!

    November 30, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • warren

      Although I'm sure you can find references to this and many other odd SDA traditions online, I (an athiest) worked in a SDA hospital for a number of years and initially thought that SDA was a weirdo cult. I soon found that most worshipers are pretty much just regular Christians who worship on Saturday and believe very strongly that your body is a temple and polluting it with alcohol, drugs, meat, or other "unhealthy" food considered makes it harder for you to spread the word of God. They have some pretty odd traditions and beliefs, but are no stranger or more corrupt than most other religions in my opinion.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Truth Seeker

      Correction: I was looking at the wrong website. That was catholic.org

      November 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Simplysaved

      That's the Catholic Church you described–not the SDA Church.

      November 30, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      And; not even accurate about Catholics. Nice try though.

      December 3, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  11. Lars J

    Regardless of what this young 19 year old believes, it takes guts to go against the mainstream and stand up for anything these days. The safest route that most of us take is to take the money and run, to blend into the crowd, and to avoid any spotlight that might bring us some difficulties. Good for him to stand up and be counted for something he believes in. How few kids these days have the courage to do that.

    November 30, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  12. J.R.

    I don't know that I will ever understand this insatiable need that people have for a doomsday. Have thing really gotten so bad that we all need to have this defeatist mentality? Is hope for mankind truly a thing of the past? Times are hard for some of us, hell I understand that. I still have a job and I know I'm lucky to have it. I've also had a brother-in-law and a sister-in-law diagnosed with cancer recently and for one of them time is growing very short. I see them fight on, knowing the outcome, seeing that desire to live and I wonder – Is this what it takes to get past the cynicism? Sad...
    But then I see a picture of a police officer giving a pair of boots to a homeless man. Not glory-seeking, not needing to be rewarded for his actions except in his own heart. And I have hope...

    November 30, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • jg51

      Excellent comment. I think all of us would do better to spend each and everyday being thankful for the time we have and live our lives as fully as possible rather than cater to any religion that focuses on doomsday scenarios.

      November 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • whiterg57

      The soon return of Jesus Christ to this earth will be a doomsday only for those who have ultimately rejected God's mercy. For those who truly love Jesus, it will be the best thing that could ever happen! Not only are we headed for a better place, but death itself will die!

      December 1, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
  13. Jetmamma

    I just want to encourage Angus to stand for what he believes because he believes it not because he is forced to by the influence of others. The SDA church is filled with people of all races. They are not only Bible believing Christians but are very proactive in humanitarian aid. They are peace loving people. I live in a heavily populated community of SDA's and find them very agreeable and sociable individuals. They are the only church that takes the 10 commandments litterally including observing the Sabbath from sundown Friday til sundown Saturday.

    November 30, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  14. SinnerMan

    Belonging to a church does not save you. Only Jesus saves. Perhaps he is Seventh-Day Adventist because it is the
    only church that is truly following all of the Bible and the Bible only. This is not about Angus, nor is it about Seventh-Day Adventists, it is all about Jesus.

    In the end there will be only two groups of people on the planet: those who are loyal to Jesus and obey him and
    those who directly or indirectly choose to serve Satan. That is it, there is no middle ground.

    We will all have to make that choice. Angus has made his choice and is willing to deal with the results of his choice.
    Let us show respect and leave him alone.

    John 12:31-33

    King James Version (KJV)

    31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
    33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    November 30, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • Jonathan Gardner

      Amen!

      November 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • End Religion

      Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Every day religion is not contained, it spreads. The goal of every religion is to convert every person on the planet to their religion, their dogma, their controlled way of living and thinking. Religion often presents itself as a Trojan horse with an outer appearance of love and tolerance that in reality only ever results in hate, intolerance and diviseness.

      As similar to any religion's head honcho, God in heaven is the celestial Kim Jong-il in North Korea, requiring strict devotion and worship at penalty of torture. That's not love, it's slavery, which some religious will tell you they gladly accept. I do not.

      As for the "debunking," there really isn't much left to debunk. All religions claim to be the "one true path." Nearly every religion is fractured into even tinier branches. Since they cannot all be "true", the chance any one is such is miniscule on that one point alone. Understanding mankind has a history of creating gods lessens that chance.

      As for Christianity, scholars both religious and not arguably tend to agree there is some minute evidence a guy named Jesus, and there were likely many, walked around during that time period. However many also agree there is simply zero evidence of anything supernatural about him.

      We understand what constitutes the bible are fictional stories passed off by the relatively ignorant as the "inerrant word of a god", some apparently the ravings of zealots the religious refer to loosely as "eyewitnesses", some others outright polished pre-existing myths, which were watered down word of mouth for decades if not longer before being written in a language no longer spoken, then translated any number of times and again "polished" by other men who got together to decide which "inerrant words of god" they personally liked best and which were tossed out.

      These people involved in early religion have barely the body of knowledge an average 10th grade student has today. We're not talking stupidity here, we are simply talking about access to facts of our reality.

      Then come the cult sects who base their life upon this book. The truly ludicrous impossibly claim the entire thing is, in its current state, still the inerrant word of god. The more moderate among adherents somehow claim "it's just allegory," leaving it open to interpretation and the inevitable clashes over who's right in a book that is supposed to be the word of a god.

      Savor that for a moment. An all powerful omniscient god, who demands all of mankind's devotion upon pain of eternal torture, supposedly feels some papyrus scrolls (with writing in a language no one speaks and which is also open to further interpretation) is the best way to communicate his childish demands. He doesn't whisper his petulant commandments to us individually? He doesn't "inpire" the elders to record his selfish needs in more than one language, at least not one he supposedly knows will stop being used? He doesn't clue the elders into using stone instead of papyrus, which even Hammurabi had enough foresight to use before the bible?

      November 30, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      Interesting that you seek eternity with a being from whom you feel you need to be saved

      December 5, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  15. Bibletruth

    Someone said the young man was a fool for letting someone else mold his thinking? LOL. Is that an attack on books, mom, dad, kindergarten, grade school, high school, college, grad school, commentators, journalists, or what???? Oh, only the bible, i.e. God.

    November 30, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • Smithsonian

      "only the bible, i.e. God."

      The stories found in the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1-12, such as the flood story, the record is quite different: the time period under consideration is much more ancient. The factual bases of the stories are hidden from our view archaeologically. The stories remain a part of folk traditions and were included in the Bible to illustrate and explain theological ideas such as: Where did humans come from? If humans were created by God (who is perfect and good), how did evil among them come to be? If we are all related as children of God, why do we speak different languages? It must be remembered that the Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. it was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science. It contains all sorts of literary genre, which are used to teach about the relationship between God and mankind. Even biblical history is edited history: events were chosen to illustrate the central theme of the Bible. The Biblical writers did not pretend they were giving a complete history; instead they constantly refer us to other sources for full historical details, sources such as "The Annals of the Kings of Judah" (or Israel).

      It is therefore not possible to try to "prove" the Bible by means of checking its historical or scientific accuracy. The only "proof" to which it can be subjected is this: Does it correctly portray the God-human relationship? In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.

      November 30, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • Stefan z

      Smithsonian, while the Biblical stories cannot be scientifically proven, they do offer an a view that is arguably harmonizing better the evidence and it is more believable than evolution (where you have to believe that everything came from nothing). Both creationism and evolution ism require faith, but evolution ism require more faith ( believing blindly that all you see came from nothing, no missing links between species, etc.) There is very good info about the science of the bible here: http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/9/Science/ well worth swing the whole series on creation

      November 30, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • sam stone

      The bible is synonymous with god? Wow, you sure have that book jammed way up your rectum

      December 5, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      stefan: came from nothing? who is claiming that?

      December 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  16. Leon Wellington

    Reality has described very well events relative to "The Millerite Movement" not Seventh day Adventists. The Seventh day Adventist Church was organized in 1963; and yes its forebears were "Millerites".

    November 30, 2012 at 6:16 am |
    • Simplysaved

      1863

      November 30, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • whiterg57

      The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially organised in 1862, but that doesn't mean it did not exist earlier. Those who joined with William Miller, prior to the Great Disappointment of 1844, called themselves Adventists. Today's Seventh-day Adventists consider themselves the true successors of those early Adventists, just as today's Christians consider themselves the true successors of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  17. Reality

    Angus is not too bright considering the following:

    "The Seventh-day Adventist Church[2][3] (The Great Disappointment) is a Protestant Christian[4] denomination distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[5] the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent second coming (advent) of Jesus Christ.

    Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to Protestant Christian teachings such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. Distinctive teachings include the unconscious state of the dead and the doctrine of an investigative judgment.

    The Seventh-day Adventist Church formed out of the movement known today as the Millerites. In 1831, a Baptist convert, William Miller (until then a Deist), was asked by a Baptist to preach in their church and began to preach that the Second Advent of Jesus would occur somewhere between March 1843 and March 1844, based on his interpretation of Daniel 8:14. A following gathered around Miller that included many from the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian and Christian Connection churches. In the summer of 1844, some of Miller's followers promoted the date of October 22. They linked the cleansing of the sanctuary of Daniel 8:14 with the Jewish Day of Atonement, believed to be October 22 that year. By 1844, over 100,000 people were anticipating what Miller had called the "Blessed Hope". On October 22 many of the believers were up late into the night watching, waiting for Christ to return and found themselves bitterly disappointed when both sunset and midnight passed with their expectations unfulfilled. This event later became known as the Great Disappointment."

    November 30, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • Fordry

      So where is the part where he isn't too bright? I don't get it... Yes the church came out of that movement but the church didn't create that movement nor does the church believe that sort of doctrine.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Reality

      Angus obviously believes in things like the Trinity, the resurrection, unconscious state of the dead (how does that work?), and the investigative judgment, a unique Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, which asserts that a divine judgment of professed Christians has been in progress since 1844.

      In the 21st century, all of this is absurd making Angus even dumber than his character Jake on 2 1/2 Men.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • whiterg57

      Peter, James, John, and their friends were equally disappointed when their Messiah died on a Roman cross. The enemies of Christ were exultant that His claim of being the Son of God had been so thoroughly "debunked." Yet, instead of dying out in shame and embarrassment, Christianity continued to grow until it turned the world upside-down. Angus is actually very wise to embrace Adventism, for it too is destined to triumph.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  18. Austen

    I have lived beside and known many 7th day Adventists all my life. The consider themselves Christians but if person dose just a little research on them you find that they are as warped as Scientology in their beliefs.

    November 30, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • kithill1

      If you do a little research on Adventists without judgement, you may disagree with some of their beliefs but you'll find they are pretty much in line with many of the other protestant orthodox Christian denominations. If they were a cult they would not openly embrace so many of the books and resources that come from the moderate evangelical movement. Much more, if you met some run-of-the-mill-Adventists, you would find some very kind people who walk with integrity. Yes, the denomination has had some problems but they are giving up fundamentalism in many ways and embracing a much more orthodox theology.

      November 30, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • marge

      I agree. I grew up in this church. It is nothing but a cult. Their god is money.

      November 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Fordry

      And what would those teachings be and where do they come from? As a member of the church I can tell you that we have very little in common with Scientology. About the only thing about the Adventist church that really sets it apart from most other protestant denominations is day of worship (taken straight out of the Bible) and Ellen White. Her teachings continue to be studied by the church and so far none of her teachings have been found to be contradictive of the Bible (which is one of the main tests of a prophet spelled out in the bible). If her teachings were found to contradict the Bible the church would certainly change its stance on her.

      The church does NOT believe that eating the wrong food is a sin (though some in the church might think otherwise). There is no cultish behavior in the mainstream church that I am aware of. No spying on people or stiff persuasive tactics to keep people in line. If you believe the church does stuff like this, your source for that belief is off and I would encourage you to look a little more.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • End Religion

      Religion is a manmade club like any other, with rules and perks to make the club feel special from other clubs. The club gets together periodically to reinforce the delusions of members. Many branches of this club have dues which most call a tithe.

      You've chosen the club that aligns best with your own fantasy concerning how to minimize your fears in life. You and others in the club are afraid so you've made up a god that soothes you by making decisions for you, helping you feel less alone in the universe, and promising you life everlasting. The various club gods offer perks to induce membership such as seeing dead relatives, virginal sex partners, planets to rule or even one's own god status.

      The Jesus you believe in never existed, was and is king of nothing. The bible is a collection of stolen, modified, pre-fabricated myth and forgeries about a non-existent deity. You don't have to be afraid. You do not need religion.

      Deal with the lack of afterlife by celebrating life and family in the here and now. Be responsible for your own decisions. Be kind to the earth and others on it. Forge a path with determination, or "go with the flow" and let life determine the course if you're the lazy type. Either way, you don't need a god or a club for any of that.

      November 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • whiterg57

      Austen and kithill1, what is your standard of orthodoxy? If the Bible is not your standard, is it just possible that your standard is warped, not the teachings of Adventism? Adventists are unabashed Protestants, standing on Sola Scriptura. Is that bad?

      December 1, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  19. OrganicManLives_N_anOraganicUNiverSE

    Hey kid, collect your bread and butter while you're waiting on god, just like rest of us.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  20. Satanluv

    the same approach worked well for Kurt Cameron and his carreer

    November 29, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
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