November 29th, 2012
04:55 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, November 29

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

Protesters rallying against the offensive online film "Innocence of Muslims" stood outside of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt and scaled its walls a day after the film's September release.

CNN: Egyptian court orders death sentences over anti-Islam film
Seven Coptic Egyptians living abroad were sentenced to death Wednesday by a court in Cairo for their connection to an inflammatory anti-Islam film, the prosecutor's office said. The suspects are accused of being involved with the production of the film in California, said Adel Al Saeed, official spokesman for the prosecutor's office. Since the Egyptian citizens were tried in absentia, the sentence would be applied only if they returned to Egypt.

CNN: ‘Two and a Half Men’ actor’s criticism of show shines light on Seventh-day Adventists
The Alabama-based evangelist Christopher Hudson has posted online videos promoting his Seventh-day Adventist faith for years, but none generated the response of the one he posted a few days ago, featuring “Two and a Half Men” actor Angus T. Jones. The video shows Jones, the CBS sitcom’s “half man,” describing the show he has appeared in for nearly a decade as “filth” and discouraging viewers from tuning in – which has attracted a crush of media attention.

CNN: Is praying for a lottery win frowned upon? Depends on who you ask
With odds of purchasing the winning Powerball ticket set at 1 in 175,223,510 – longer odds than dying from a bee sting or being struck by lighting – it shouldn’t be shocking that lotto hopefuls are turning to God for some divine intervention in advance of Wednesday night’s drawing for a $550 million jackpot. One hastily set up website, “Prayer List for Powerball,” even charges people a dollar a piece to be included on a “list of those wishing to pray for each other to win the Powerball lottery.”

Tweet of the Day:

[tweet https://twitter.com/AmericanAtheist/status/273965215081701376%5D

Enlightening Reads:

Reuters: Polish ruling on kosher meat angers Jews
Jewish groups said on Wednesday a Polish court ruling on methods used to slaughter livestock could halt the production of kosher meat, threatening their religious freedom in a country where Nazi Germany massacred millions of Jews in World War Two.

The Guardian: Turkey lifts ban on headscarves in schools
Turkey has lifted a ban on female students wearing headscarves in schools providing religious education, in a move drawing criticism from secularists who see it as fresh evidence of the government pushing an Islamic agenda.

The Jerusalem Post: Spain: Sephardi Jews to receive instant citizenship
Spain has decided to offer automatic citizenship to anyone who can successfully prove their Sephardi origins, Justice Minister Alberto Ruiz Gallardón announced during a ceremony last week at Madrid’s Casa Sefarad-Israel.

Religion News Service: U.S. dominates list of world’s ‘500 Most Influential Muslims’
There are more Muslims from America than any other country on this year’s “The Muslim 500: The World’s 500 Most Influential Muslims,” compiled by the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Centre, a respected think tank in Jordan, including two in the top 50.

The Guardian: Louisiana education case highlights Bobby Jindal's creationism state
Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal is rapidly emerging as a new "moderate" Republican voice, but a court case beginning Wednesday is set to shine light on a controversial policy in his state which sees government funding given to schools that teach creationism.

Join the conversation…

Manti Te'o is a practicing Mormon and is captain of the Notre Dame football team.

CNN: Mormon linebacker helps lead Catholic Notre Dame to national championship game
It was a goal-line stand in the fourth quarter that sealed the University of Notre Dame football team's Saturday victory over the University of Southern California – and earned the No. 1-ranked team a trip to the national championship game. Leading the bruising Fighting Irish defense was senior linebacker Manti Te'o, whose play this season has earned him consideration for the Heisman Trophy and has helped lead a storied squad back to the top of college football after years of floundering. But Te'o initially struggled with the decision over whether to attend Notre Dame. The Catholic school's star linebacker is a committed Mormon.

- A. Hawkins

Filed under: Uncategorized

soundoff (55 Responses)
  1. haihai, I found this site , Its so good since it guides which so many eBooks i can download for FREE.

    hai, Check out this site aye, it awesome, it gave me alot of ebooks all for free. yeah free <3

    December 6, 2012 at 5:06 am |
  2. gman tello

    please read the article and support our troops


    November 29, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  3. Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

    (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
    these friends..

    (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

    (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

    (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

    (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

    (6) Emotional abuse – ­ religious concepts such as sin, hell, cause feelings of guilt, shame, fear, and other types of emotional "baggage" which can scar the
    psyche for life.

    (7) Violence – many patients insist that others should share in their delusions, even to the extent of using violence.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      You've described a typical human being. Go look in the mirror.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      So now that you're at the mirror say "I'm special".

      November 29, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  4. niknak

    Just got back from the gym, had a great training session.
    And like yesterday, it is a beautiful day, still without god(s).

    November 29, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • William Demuth


      I was at the gym the other day, and God wasn't there either.

      But there was a Goddess on the glut machine!

      November 29, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  5. Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

    (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
    these friends.

    (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

    (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

    (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

    (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

    (6) Emotional abuse – ­ religious concepts such as sin, hell, cause feelings of guilt, shame, fear, and other types of emotional "baggage" which can scar the
    psyche for life.

    (7) Violence – many patients insist that others should share in their delusions, even to the extent of using violence.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • niknak

      I'd day that sums it about right.
      Add in the race factor, and you got yourself one mean, not so lean gun toting machine.
      At least for American fundies.
      The best way to show how much you love jeebus is to use your gun to kill another living being.
      Kill fundies, its what you do.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:34 am |
  6. myweightinwords

    Good morning everyone! What's good today?

    I get to attend a first aid class at work today, re-certifying my CPR and AED certs. Means I won't get much work done, unfortunately.

    Today's question then is: What is sin?

    November 29, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Sin is defined by perception and very subjective.

      It can be evil or good.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:00 am |
      • myweightinwords

        In the way that "one man's sin is another man's pleasure"? ...or were you meaning it differently?

        November 29, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • William Demuth

      Sin is the rationalization I use for punishing people for the same things I do when no one is looking.

      It is a mind trap designed to keep the weak and disenfranchised from killing their oppressors.

      It is permutation of the absurdity that is morality, that has been escalated to include punishment from a non-existent God for failing to comply to its arbitrary standard.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:05 am |
      • myweightinwords

        So, does sin only apply to those who we wish to demonize or control?

        Is there nothing, outside of religion, to define sin?

        November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Huebert

      Sin is an immortal Aeon bent on the destruction of Spira. (note: getting this reference means that you are a HUGE NERD!, like me)

      A sin, in a religious context, usually refers to any action that contrary to the will of god. It can also be used to describe a profound wrong doing.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:21 am |
      • myweightinwords

        Heh, I 'get' the reference, although it isn't among my preferred expressions of my geekdom. LOL.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • William Demuth


      I believe you are actually a Dweeb or possibly a Dork, but I see nothing in your posts to indicate Nerd

      November 29, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Topher

      Sin is the willful defiance of God and His laws.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am |
      • myweightinwords

        Which begs the questions, which god and which laws?

        If there were no god, would sin cease to exist?

        Or can sin be defined without god?

        And, if sin is the "willful defiance" does that then mean that ignorance is bliss and all actions performed in absences of knowledge are inherently without sin?

        November 29, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
      these friends.

      (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

      (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

      (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

      (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

      (6) Emotional abuse – ­ religious concepts such as sin, hell, cause feelings of guilt, shame, fear, and other types of emotional "baggage" which can scar the
      psyche for life.

      (7) Violence – many patients insist that others should share in their delusions, even to the extent of using violence.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Pete

      Sin is something the church made up so they could tell people what to do.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • CCC

      RE: "What is sin?"

      Paragraph 7. THE FALL
      385 God is infinitely good and all his works are good. Yet no one can escape the experience of suffering or the evils in nature which seem to be linked to the limitations proper to creatures: and above all to the question of moral evil. Where does evil come from? "I sought whence evil comes and there was no solution", said St. Augustine,257 and his own painful quest would only be resolved by his conversion to the living God. For "the mystery of lawlessness" is clarified only in the light of the "mystery of our religion".258 The revelation of divine love in Christ manifested at the same time the extent of evil and the superabundance of grace.259 We must therefore approach the question of the origin of evil by fixing the eyes of our faith on him who alone is its conqueror.260
      The reality of sin
      386 Sin is present in human history; any attempt to ignore it or to give this dark reality other names would be futile. To try to understand what sin is, one must first recognize the profound relation of man to God, for only in this relationship is the evil of sin unmasked in its true identi.ty as humanity's rejection of God and opposition to him, even as it continues to weigh heavy on human life and history.
      387 Only the light of divine Revelation clarifies the reality of sin and particularly of the sin committed at mankind's origins. Without the knowledge Revelation gives of God we cannot recognize sin clearly and are tempted to explain it as merely a developmental flaw, a psychological weakness, a mistake, or the necessary consequence of an inadequate social structure, etc. Only in the knowledge of God's plan for man can we grasp that sin is an abuse of the freedom that God gives to created persons so that they are capable of loving him and loving one another.
      Original sin – an essential truth of the faith
      388 With the progress of Revelation, the reality of sin is also illuminated. Although to some extent the People of God in the Old Testament had tried to understand the pathos of the human condition in the light of the history of the fall narrated in Genesis, they could not grasp this story's ultimate meaning, which is revealed only in the light of the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.261 We must know Christ as the source of grace in order to know Adam as the source of sin. the Spirit-Paraclete, sent by the risen Christ, came to "convict the world concerning sin",262 by revealing him who is its Redeemer.
      389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the "reverse side" of the Good News that Jesus is the Saviour of all men, that all need salvation and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. the Church, which has the mind of Christ,263 knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.
      How to read the account of the fall
      390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.264 Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.265
      391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
      392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
      393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
      394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
      395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries – of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature – to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
      Freedom put to the test
      396 God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. the prohibition against eating "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" spells this out: "for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die."276 The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"277 symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.
      Man's first sin
      397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God's command. This is what man's first sin consisted of.278 All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.
      398 In that sin man preferred himself to God and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Created in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully "divinized" by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to "be like God", but "without God, before God, and not in accordance with God".279
      399 Scripture portrays the tragic consequences of this first disobedience. Adam and Eve immediately lose the grace of original holiness.280 They become afraid of the God of whom they have conceived a distorted image – that of a God jealous of his prerogatives.281
      400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul's spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject "to its bondage to decay".284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will "return to the ground",285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.286
      401 After that first sin, the world is virtually inundated by sin There is Cain's murder of his brother Abel and the universal corruption which follows in the wake of sin. Likewise, sin frequently manifests itself in the history of Israel, especially as infidelity to the God of the Covenant and as transgression of the Law of Moses. and even after Christ's atonement, sin raises its head in countless ways among Christians.287 Scripture and the Church's Tradition continually recall the presence and universality of sin in man's history:
      What Revelation makes known to us is confirmed by our own experience. For when man looks into his own heart he finds that he is drawn towards what is wrong and sunk in many evils which cannot come from his good creator. Often refusing to acknowledge God as his source, man has also upset the relationship which should link him to his last end, and at the same time he has broken the right order that should reign within himself as well as between himself and other men and all creatures.288
      The consequences of Adam's sin for humanity
      402 All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as St. Paul affirms: "By one man's disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man's trespas.s led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."290
      403 Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam's sin and the fact that he has transmitted to us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the "death of the soul".291 Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.292
      404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? the whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man".293 By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. and that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" – a state and not an act.
      405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin – an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.
      406 The Church's teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine's reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God's grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam's fault to bad example. the first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. the Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297
      A hard battle. . .
      407 The doctrine of original sin, closely connected with that of redemption by Christ, provides lucid discernment of man's situation and activity in the world. By our first parents' sin, the devil has acquired a certain domination over man, even though man remains free. Original sin entails "captivity under the power of him who thenceforth had the power of death, that is, the devil".298 Ignorance of the fact that man has a wounded nature inclined to evil gives rise to serious errors in the areas of education, politics, social action299 and morals.
      408 The consequences of original sin and of all men's personal sins put the world as a whole in the sinful condition aptly described in St. John's expression, "the sin of the world".300 This expression can also refer to the negative influence exerted on people by communal situations and social structures that are the fruit of men's sins.301
      409 This dramatic situation of "the whole world [which] is in the power of the evil one"302 makes man's life a battle:
      The whole of man's history has been the story of dour combat with the powers of evil, stretching, so our Lord tells us, from the very dawn of history until the last day. Finding himself in the midst of the battlefield man has to struggle to do what is right, and it is at great cost to himself, and aided by God's grace, that he succeeds in achieving his own inner integrity.303
      410 After his fall, man was not abandoned by God. On the contrary, God calls him and in a mysterious way heralds the coming victory over evil and his restoration from his fall.304 This pas.sage in Genesis is called the Protoevangelium ("first gospel"): the first announcement of the Messiah and Redeemer, of a battle between the serpent and the Woman, and of the final victory of a descendant of hers.
      411 The Christian tradition sees in this pas.sage an announcement of the "New Adam" who, because he "became obedient unto death, even death on a cross", makes amends superabundantly for the disobedience, of Adam.305 Furthermore many Fathers and Doctors of the Church have seen the woman announced in the "Proto-evangelium" as Mary, the mother of Christ, the "new Eve". Mary benefited first of all and uniquely from Christ's victory over sin: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and by a special grace of God committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.306
      412 But why did God not prevent the first man from sinning? St. Leo the Great responds, "Christ's inexpressible grace gave us blessings better than those the demon's envy had taken away."307 and St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "There is nothing to prevent human nature's being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, 'Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more'; and the Exsultet sings, 'O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!'"308
      IN BRIEF
      413 "God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living. . . It was through the devil's envy that death entered the world" (⇒ Wis 1:13; ⇒ 2:24).
      414 Satan or the devil and the other demons are fallen angels who have freely refused to serve God and his plan. Their choice against God is definitive. They try to as.sociate man in their revolt against God.
      415 "Although set by God in a state of recti.tude man, enticed by the evil one, abused his freedom at the very start of history. He lifted himself up against God, and sought to attain his goal apart from him" (GS 13 # 1).
      416 By his sin Adam, as the first man, lost the original holiness and justice he had received from God, not only for himself but for all human beings.
      417 Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin".
      418 As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence").
      419 "We therefore hold, with the Council of Trent, that original sin is transmitted with human nature, "by propagation, not by imitation" and that it is. . . 'proper to each'" (Paul VI, CPG # 16).
      420 The victory that Christ won over sin has given us greater blessings than those which sin had taken from us: "where sin increased, grace abounded all the more" (⇒ Rom 5:20).
      421 Christians believe that "the world has been established and kept in being by the Creator's love; has fallen into slavery to sin but has been set free by Christ, crucified and risen to break the power of the evil one. . ." (GS 2 # 2).

      257 St. Augustine, Conf. 7, 7, 11: PL 32, 739.

      258 2 Th 2:7; I Tim 3:16.

      259 Cf. ⇒ Rom 5:20.

      260 Cf. ⇒ Lk 11:21-22; ⇒ Jn 16:11; ⇒ I Jn 3:8.

      261 Cf. ⇒ Rom 5:12-21.

      262 ⇒ Jn 16:8.

      263 Cf. ⇒ I Cor 2:16.

      264 Cf. GS 13 # 1.

      265 Cf. Council of Trent: DS 1513; Pius XII: DS 3897; Paul VI: AAS 58
         (1966), 654.

      266 Cf. ⇒ Gen 3:1-5; Wis 2:24.

      267 Cf ⇒ Jn 8:44; ⇒ Rev 12:9.

      268 Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 800.

      269 Cf. ⇒ 2 Pt 2:4.

      270 ⇒ Gen 3:5.

      271 ⇒ I Jn 3:8; ⇒ Jn 8:44.

      272 St. John Damascene, Defide orth. 2, 4: PG 94, 877.

      273 ⇒ Jn 8:44; cf. ⇒ Mt 4:1-11.

      274 I ⇒ Jn 3:8.

      275 ⇒ Rom 8:28.

      276 ⇒ Gen 2:17.

      277 ⇒ Gen 2:17.

      278 Cf. ⇒ Gen 3:1-11 ; ⇒ Rom 5:19.

      279 St. Maximus the Confessor, Ambigua: PG 91, 1156C; cf. ⇒ Gen 3:5.

      280 Cf. ⇒ Rom 3:23.

      281 Cf. ⇒ Gen 3:5-10.

      282 Cf. ⇒ Gen 3:7-16.

      283 Cf. ⇒ Gen 3:17, ⇒ 19.

      284 ⇒ Rom 8:21.

      285 ⇒ Gen 3:19; cf. ⇒ 2:17.

      286 Cf. ⇒ Rom 5:12.

      287 Cf. ⇒ Gen 4:3-15; ⇒ 6:5, ⇒ 12; ⇒ Rom 1:18-32; ⇒ I Cor 1-6; ⇒ Rev 2-3.

      288 GS 13 # 1.

      289 ⇒ Rom 5:12, ⇒ 19.

      290 ⇒ Rom 5:18.

      291 Cf. Council of Trent: DS 1512.

      292 Cf. Council of Trent: DS 1514.

      293 St. Thomas Aquinas, De malo 4, I.

      294 Cf. Council of Trent: DS 1511-1512

      295 Cf. Council of Trent: DS 1513.

      296 DS 371-372.

      297 Cf. DS 1510-1516.

      298 Council of Trent (1546): DS 1511; cf. ⇒ Heb 2:14.

      299 Cf. John Paul II, CA 25.

      300 ⇒ Jn 1:29.

      301 Cf. John Paul II, RP 16.

      302 I ⇒ Jn 5:19; cf. ⇒ I Pt 5:8.

      303 GS 37 3 2.

      304 Cf. ⇒ Gen 3:9, ⇒ 15.

      305 Cf. ⇒ I Cor 15:21-22, ⇒ 45; ⇒ Phil 2:8; ⇒ Rom 5:19-20.

      306 Cf. Pius IXs Ineffabilis Deus: DS 2803; Council of Trent: DS 1573.

      307 St. Leo the Great, Sermo 73, 4: PL 54, 396.

      308 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh III, I, 3, ad 3; cf. ⇒ Rom 5:20.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  7. Saraswati

    Who's selling Bobby Jindal as a moderate? He didn't just support vouchers to religious schools but allowed religious ideas in science class rooms in public schools.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • William Demuth


      His real name is "Piyush", but the red necks wont accept that so he must change his name.

      Much like Kunta Kinte was forced to become "Toby" to appease his white masters, so has "Piyush" become Bobby.

      At least the slave masters didn't have to beat him to get him to call himself what they wanted. All they had to do was offer him a shot at power, and he rolled over.

      They should of had him call himself Buckwheat.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Saraswati

      I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your name – I did so when I taught abroad to make it easier for others and myself and it didn't change who I was. I think you want to see a person and not a name, and sometimes the name can stand in the way of seeing the person. It can help for a name to be invisible.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • William Demuth


      He has changed FAR more than merely his name.

      He molds his entire being on the pursuit of power.

      To towed the line for Romney, yet gladly threw him under the bus within days of his loss.

      Once HHS was out of his reach, he skewered him.

      He even has his own Super Pac laying the framework for 2016.

      Meanwhile, he runs the most corrupt, and least literate state in the Union!!!

      Perhaps he should embrace his Punjabi roots, and have some compassion for his people, rather than nothing more than a blatant thirst for power.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Saraswati

      @WD, I'm not voting for the guy, but I don't think we can lay the literacy rate in his lap – they've been in trouble a long time. I'd actually rather like to see the Republican's try to nominate him...it's just the kind of thing they'd try before admitting to why they actually lost the last election.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  8. William Demuth

    Hey, this is interesting

    Try this google search

    "robert brown" Christ "not healthy" +"belief blog" 2012

    You will find that "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" and "Robert Brown" have posted on the same comments page (not story, but on the page level) on this belief blog 239 times in the same year!!!

    331 days this year. On 239 of them Brownie and Prayer Troll post on the same comments sub-page.

    Is it still Troll Season? I think we have one within firing range.

    Should we go for a head shot, or just geld him and leave him to bleed out?

    November 29, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Joseph


      Try searching with your own handle in that same context.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Huh?

      It only comes out to 135 so that proves WD is not even close to being a troll.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • William Demuth

      Thanks Huh!

      I am pleased to see at least someone use's a little rational testing!

      It seems the more devout, the less likely to embrace ANY basic form of validation!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Joseph

      Your numbers are not matching my own. I came up with RB-144 / WD 249

      November 29, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • William Demuth


      The quotes signs indicate the encapsulated phrase must be exactly as presented. Without it, the figures are dirpy

      Which leads me to belive, that you are ALSO Robert Brown, just using another bogus screen name to promote your imaginary gay sky lover Jeebus!

      And always remember, the only reason everyone thinks Christ was born of a virgin is because we know Joseph liked to work on other mens wood!

      November 29, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Joseph

      Actually i ran the script exactly the way you presented. But i also remembered, that my network admin has a program to filter out certain search results which i cannot bypass. But no sir, I am not Robert Brown. No need for perverted comments.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:29 am |
  9. William Demuth

    Hey look, Robert Brown is back in his prayer troll outfit today!

    Coward will only publish silliness under a fake name!

    How Christian of him!

    I bet he has the classic cult website, and probably pretends to do great public works!!

    November 29, 2012 at 9:24 am |
  10. lionlylamb

    The Universally-Formed Cosmos of the Triune Manifestation

    We all live amid two chasms of cosmological orders. We have the inner-cosmos and the outer-cosmos. The inner-cosmos is atomically made and is the universal construct of the outer-cosmos. One could not have an outer without an inner. Both are synonymously of the same natures. It stands to reason the inner-cosmos was made first and the outer-cosmos came into being only after the passive finalization of the inner-cosmos was made near complete. The inner-cosmos is transcendent and fixed while the outer-cosmos is ascendant and malleable in their dualities natures.

    The third cosmos is of life itself made from the inner-cosmos living upon the terrestrial faces of the celestial outer-cosmos. This third cosmos is the celled cosmos or the cellular cosmologic orders of all life forms made anywhere cellular life can gain a foothold to evolve and gain in the abundant natures toward the evolution of its structures ever evolving. Without the two main Cosmos coming into existence; living cellular cosmologies could not exist.

    The trinity or threefold nature of chasm cosmologies is one of the greatest and grandest gestures ever to have been formulated! To say God had nothing to do with such a feat of cosmologic inter-dependencies seems an infallible congruency inconsistent for one to say or think otherwise. To say the nature of God is to keep inflating the physical elements of the outer cosmos while deflating the essence needs for the inner-cosmos leaves one to wonder about the third cosmological construct’s real nature for having been created. Why then is there cellular cosmologies and when did such life become established?

    November 29, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • William Demuth

      The FUD pump is working at 98% efficiency today!

      November 29, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      If one examines modernism, one is faced with a choice: either reject deconstructivist rationalism or conclude that cla.ss has significance, but only if art is interchangeable with narrativity; otherwise, Foucault’s model of subtextual conceptualism is one of “the posttextual paradigm of reality”, and therefore unattainable. Many narratives concerning deconstructivist rationalism exist. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a subtextual conceptualism that includes art as a reality.
      Any number of discourses concerning subtextual conceptualism exist. Thus, the premise of deconstructivist rationalism suggests that society, paradoxically, has intrinsic meaning.
      Lacanist obscurity implies that reality is fundamentally a legal fiction. It could be said that Sartre uses the term ‘submodernist feminism’ to denote the economy, and hence the dialectic, of cultural se.xual ident.ity.
      Thus, the premise of the cultural paradigm of expression holds that art is capable of social comment, but only if the cultural paradigm of narrative is invalid; if that is not the case, truth is used to reinforce the status quo.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    November 29, 2012 at 7:16 am |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "John 3:16" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" is the degenerate.

      This troll is not a christian.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • michelecamera

      A randomized, blinded study of the impact of intercessory prayer on spiritual well-being in patients with cancer.
      Olver IN, Dutney A.

      Royal Adelaide Hospital Cancer Centre, South Australia, Australia. ian.olver@cancer.org.au

      Cochrane reviews have analyzed multiple studies on intercessory prayer that treatment teams had added to health interventions; however, the reviewers could draw no conclusions about the efficacy of prayer because the studies showed either positive or no effects and used different endpoints and methodologies.

      The study intended to determine whether researchers could measure the impact of intercessory prayer on spiritual well-being.

      The research team conducted a randomized blinded trial of intercessory prayer added to normal cancer treatment with participants agreeing to complete quality of life (QOL) and spiritual well-being scales at baseline and 6 months later. The research team had shown previously that spiritual well-being is an important, unique domain in the assessment of QOL. Participants remained blinded to the randomization. Based on a previous study, the research team determined that the study required a sample of 1000 participants to detect small differences (P = .05, 2-tailed, 80% power). SETTING The research team performed this research at the Royal Adelaide Hospital Cancer Centre, South Australia, Australia.

      Participants were patients at the cancer center between June 2003 and May 2008. Of 999 participants with mixed diagnoses who completed the baseline questionnaires, 66.6% provided follow-up. The average age was 61 years, and most participants were married/de facto (living with partners), were Australians or New Zealanders living in Australia, and were Christian. Intervention The research team asked an external group offering Christian intercessory prayer to add the study's participants to their usual prayer lists. They received details about the participants, but this information was not sufficient to identify them. Outcome Measures The research team used the Functional Assessment of Chronic Illness Therapy-Spiritual Well-being questionnaire to assess spiritual wellbeing and QOL. Results The intervention group showed significantly greater improvements over time for the primary endpoint of spiritual well-being as compared to the control group (P = .03, partial η2 = .01). The study found a similar result for emotional well-being (P = .04, partial η2 = .01) and functional well-being (P = .06, partial η2 = .01).

      Participants with cancer whom the research team randomly allocated to the experimental group to receive remote intercessory prayer showed small but significant improvements in spiritual well-being.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • michelecamera

      BMJ. 2001 Dec 22-29;323(7327):1450-1.
      Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.
      Leibovici L.

      Department of Medicine, Beilinson Campus, Rabin Medical Center, Petah-Tiqva 49100, Israel. leibovic@post.tau.ac.il

      To determine whether remote, retroactive intercessory prayer, said for a group of patients with a bloodstream infection, has an effect on outcomes.

      Double blind, parallel group, randomised controlled trial of a retroactive intervention.

      University hospital.

      All 3393 adult patients whose bloodstream infection was detected at the hospital in 1990-6.

      In July 2000 patients were randomised to a control group and an intervention group. A remote, retroactive intercessory prayer was said for the well being and full recovery of the intervention group.

      Mortality in hospital, length of stay in hospital, and duration of fever.

      Mortality was 28.1% (475/1691) in the intervention group and 30.2% (514/1702) in the control group (P for difference=0.4). Length of stay in hospital and duration of fever were significantly shorter in the intervention group than in the control group (P=0.01 and P=0.04, respectively).

      Remote, retroactive intercessory prayer said for a group is associated with a shorter stay in hospital and shorter duration of fever in patients with a bloodstream infection and should be considered for use in clinical practice.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • michelecamera

      Altern Ther Health Med. 1997 Nov;3(6):38-53.
      An experimental study of the effects of distant, intercessory prayer on self-esteem, anxiety, and depression.
      O'Laoire S.
      Randomized, controlled, double-blind study.
      496 volunteers: those who prayed (agents, n = 90) and those who were prayed for (subjects, n = 406).
      Agents were randomly assigned to either a directed or nondirected prayer group; photos and names of subjects were used as a focus. Subjects were randomly assigned to three groups: those prayed for by nondirected agents, a control group, and those prayed for by directed agents. Prayer was offered for 15 minutes daily for 12 weeks. Each subject was prayed for by three agents.
      Five pretest and posttest objective measures and six posttest subjective measures were taken.
      Subjects improved significantly on all 11 measures. Agents improved significantly on 10 measures. A significant positive correlation was found between the amount of prayer the agents did and their scores on the five objective tests. Agents had significantly better scores than did subjects on all objective measures. Subjects' views of the locus of God's action showed significance in three objective measures. Improvement on four objective measures was significantly related to subjects' belief in the power of prayer for others. Improvement on all II measures was significantly related to subjects' conviction concerning whether they had been assigned to a control or an experimental group. Possible explanations include the placebo/faith effect, the time displaced effect, and extraneous prayer.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • michelecamera

      A Randomized Double-Blind Study of the Effect of
      Distant Healing in a Population With Advanced AIDS
      Report of a Small Scale Study
      FRED SICHER, MA; ELISABETH TARG, MD; DAN MOORE 11, PhD; and HELENE S. SMITH, PhD; San Francisco, California
      The Western journal of medicine. December 1998-Vol 169, No. 6 356–63

      In 1998 Fred Sicher et al. performed a small scale double-blind randomized study of 40 patients with advanced AIDS. The patients were in category C-3 with CD4 cell counts below 200 and each had at least one case of AIDS-defining illness. The patients were randomly assigned to receive distant intercessory healing or none at all. The intercession took place by people in different parts of the United States who never had any contact with the patients. Both patients and physicians were blind to who received or did not receive intercession. Six months later the prayer group had significantly fewer AIDS illnesses, less frequent doctor visits and days in the hospital.


      November 29, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • Huh?

      From your same website.

      Prayer is amongst the oldest and most widespread interventions used with the intention of alleviating illness and promoting good health. Given the significance of this response to illness for a large proportion of the world's population, there has been considerable interest in recent years in measuring the efficacy of intercessory prayer for the alleviation of ill health in a scientifically rigorous fashion. The question of whether this may contribute towards proving or disproving the existence of God is a philosophical question lying outside the scope of this review of the effects of prayer. This revised version of the review has been prepared in response to feedback and to reflect new methods in the conduct and presentation of Cochrane reviews.
      To review the effects of intercessory prayer as an additional intervention for people with health problems already receiving routine health care.
      We systematically searched ten relevant databases including MEDLINE and EMBASE (June 2007).
      We included any randomised trial comparing personal, focused, committed and organised intercessory prayer with those interceding holding some belief that they are praying to God or a god versus any other intervention. This prayer could be offered on behalf of anyone with health problems.
      We extracted data independently and analysed it on an intention to treat basis, where possible. We calculated, for binary data, the fixed-effect relative risk (RR), their 95% confidence intervals (CI), and the number needed to treat or harm (NNT or NNH).
      Ten studies are included in this updated review (7646 patients). For the comparison of intercessory prayer plus standard care versus standard care alone, overall there was no clear effect of intercessory prayer on death, with the effect not reaching statistical significance and data being heterogeneous (6 RCTs, n=6784, random-effects RR 0.77 CI 0.51 to 1.16, I(2) 83%). For general clinical state there was also no significant difference between groups (5 RCTs, n=2705, RR intermediate or bad outcome 0.98 CI 0.86 to 1.11). Four studies found no effect for re-admission to Coronary Care Unit (4 RCTs, n=2644, RR 1.00 CI 0.77 to 1.30).Two other trials found intercessory prayer had no effect on re-hospitalisation (2 RCTs, n=1155, RR 0.93 CI 0.71 to 1.22).
      These findings are equivocal and, although some of the results of individual studies suggest a positive effect of intercessory prayer,the majority do not and the evidence does not support a recommendation either in favour or against the use of intercessory prayer. We are not convinced that further trials of this intervention should be undertaken and would prefer to see any resources available for such a trial used to investigate other questions in health care.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • Huh?

      This is fun....from another study from the same website


      In the light of the best available data, there are no grounds to change current practices

      November 29, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • Huh?

      I love this one from the same website.

      Scientific experiments claiming that distant intercessory prayer produces salubrious effects are deeply flawed.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Huebert


      While these studies are interesting, they don't posit any actual mechanism that would provide such benefits, nor are said benefits terribly pronounced. That combined with the presence of numerous studies reaching contradictory conclusions means that a great deal more investigation is needed before any conclusions can be drawn.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...

      November 29, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  12. lionlylamb

    The history of multifaceted cosmological expansionism within celestial symmetries comes from the terrestrial complacencies of planetary regularities and solarized objectivism wherever the abundance of inner cosmologies coalesces to form stars, planets and moons among many other fragmented structures within the spatial confines of a universally formed Cosmos.

    Lives, upon the celestial shorelines of the terrestrially compliant are biologic cellular cosmological constants, and were ever formed and are continually forming seemingly forever as well placed living conglomerations in naturalisms arcades of wondrous cavalcades marching in steps of melancholy tributes to God upon the most high Cosmos of universalism’s formidable formation on high.

    November 29, 2012 at 5:12 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Plain writing is easily understood.

      November 29, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • WASP

      @brown: don't worry lamb is just a monkey bashing on a keyboard. it rarely makes sense. 🙂

      November 29, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Brown, you havent learned yet...you skip over lion's post. I skipped over it and read yours lol.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:07 am |
About this blog

The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.