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Pat Robertson challenges creationism
Pat Robertson: "There was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible."
November 29th, 2012
04:04 PM ET

Pat Robertson challenges creationism

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”

The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”

“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”

Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”

“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.

Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.

The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.

Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”

For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.

“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”

- CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Christianity • Creationism • Evolution

soundoff (4,408 Responses)
  1. Believer

    So do you really think Pat believes Adam and Eve came from Apes? To discredit Genesis 1 and 2 is not a reasonable position to take as a Christian.

    December 2, 2012 at 1:54 am |
    • redzoa

      Pat likely doesn't believe that; however, many Christians view the Genesis account as allegory which does not "discredit" the spiritual relevance of the stories. They would argue that regardless of how humanity arrived, the core tenets of Christianity are independent: humans are flawed, cannot fix themselves, and require salvation via grace.

      December 2, 2012 at 2:15 am |
    • Athy

      Actually, it's very reasonable. Truth is always more reasonable than mythology.

      December 2, 2012 at 2:45 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      To give credence to the bible is not a reasonable position....period

      December 2, 2012 at 2:47 am |
    • Believer

      In Higer evoultionists circles they say things like “Geologic time scales are the result of iterative processes, and as new definitive data becomes available, either geochronometric, biostratigraphic, or magnetostratigraphic adjustments will have to be made.” -J.D. Obradovich. So since there is carbon-14 in diamonds, the Earth is definitely younger than 60,000 years. But an Evolutionist must ignore this because that is not enough time to have evolution occur!

      December 2, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • lol??

      I'm open to running some dating experiments on diamonds. Send me all ya got.

      December 2, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • lol??

      The bigger the specimens the more accuracy I can provide. Promise.

      December 2, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • ME II

      @Believer,
      What C14 in diamonds? Please cite your source.

      December 2, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • End Religion

      Believer, every aspect of young earth creationism has been refuted. Here are all the arguments and refutations: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

      December 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Believer

      J. Baumgardner Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model. But he's a creationist, so does he count? You could probably slander him or just explain it away or just make a joke like "lol??" (LOL)

      December 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Believer

      "Evolution has been refuted as well.(http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-index) What should we do now?" Reposted

      December 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • End Religion

      you are correct, if someone is a creationist then their opinion on science does not count. Good call.

      December 2, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • ME II

      @Believer,
      "J. Baumgardner Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model. But he's a creationist, so does he count?"

      Being a Creationist does not automatically disqualify any one, but it does invite scrutiny, since some Creationists state up-front that they believe the Bible is true, regardless of the evidence, and any evidence to contrary cannot be correct.

      In addition, much Creationist "research" is unverified by independent sources and not published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, such as your cited paper. However, here is one response to the RATE paper:

      "These and many other considerations are inconsistent with the RATE hypothesis of 'intrinsic radiocarbon' but are consistent with contamination and background. “Intrinsic radiocarbon” is essentially a 'radiocarbon-of-the-gaps' theory. ... The evidence falsifies the RATE claim that 'all carbon in the earth contains a detectable and reproducible ... level of 14C'."

      (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/rate-critique.html)

      December 2, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • ME II

      @Believer,

      You said, "Evolution has been refuted as well.(http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-index) What should we do now?"

      Excerpts rrom the Creation Ministries International website's about page, http://creation.com/about-us:

      "The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs."

      "The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect."

      "The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation."

      Last but not least:
      "By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information. "

      December 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Believer
      Radioisotope evidence presents significant problems for the young earth position. Baumgardner and the RATE team are to be commended for tackling the subject, but their “intrinsic radiocarbon” explanation does not work. The previously published radiocarbon AMS measurements can generally be explained by contamination, mostly due to sample chemistry. The RATE coal samples were contaminated in situ. RATE’s processed diamond samples were contaminated in the sample chemistry. The unprocessed diamond samples reflect instrument background. Coal and diamond samples have been measured by others down to instrument background levels, giving no evidence for intrinsic radiocarbon.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Pat is smiling because the truth had set him FREE plus his head is now out of Marco Rubbio's rear end 😉

    December 2, 2012 at 1:22 am |
  3. anonymous coward

    13.7, not 14.5.

    December 2, 2012 at 12:52 am |
  4. was blind, but now I see

    Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

    2 Peter 3

    December 1, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Estaban

      This means nothing to me.

      December 1, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Athy

      Typical post from a biblebabbler. Long, boring and devoid of content. Just the same biblical bullshit over and over.

      December 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Cult logic

      December 2, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  5. Nietodarwin

    Yes, I've taken umbrage. Atheist quotes are the funniest. We are funnier than any religion, because face it, there's nothing funny about religion, it's nothing but trouble and war. Charlie Chaplin was VERY funny. Apparently he was ALSO funny with words and language, though he was in silent films. THIS IS FUNNY .......BECAUSE THIS IS TRUE.

    Religion. It`s given people hope in a world torn apart by religion.
    Charlie Chaplin

    December 1, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it. So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read[a] the scroll, or to look at it. But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose[b] its seven seals.” And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: You are worthy to take the scroll; And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

      Revelation 5

      December 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Lewis Black on OT - still funny the nth time

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

      December 1, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • bostontola

      blind,
      do you have any original thoughts? I'd like to hear one.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      @bostontola

      blind,
      do you have any original thoughts? I'd like to hear one.

      Why are you lying????????????

      December 1, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • bostontola

      blind,
      this is the first time someone accused me of lying after I asked a question. That is original.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I don't know, the Unitarians maintain some pretty good joke list, and I know some funny religious jews. It's a matter of how seriously a group takes itself.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      You said that you would like to hear some of my own thoughts. Therefore, I called you a liar. I understand that you think I'm stupid, but I'm not.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • bostontola

      blind,
      i have no idea how intelligent you are, and it doesn't matter. your beliefs are your own. i was looking for a conversation with a person, not a book.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
  6. bostontola

    it may not be in our lifetime, but religions will eventually recognize the fact of evolution (much like the helio-centric system we live in). science pours more evidence at an increasing rate every day. every bit of it confirms evolution. the various theories get clarified, but o piece of data refutes evolution.

    December 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      “I am now convinced that children should not be subjected to the frightfulness of the Christian religion [...]. If the concept of a father who plots to have his own son put to death is presented to children as beautiful and as worthy of society's admiration, what types of human behavior can be presented to them as reprehensible?”
      _ Ruth Hurmence Green, The Born Again Skeptic's Guide to the Bible

      December 1, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      Don't hold your breathe.

      5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

      6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

      7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

      8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

      9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

      10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

      11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

      Philippians 2:5-11

      December 1, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • bostontola

      blind, Jesus already knows evolution is a fact, you should catch up.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

      23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

      24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

      25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

      26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

      Hebrwes 10:22-26

      December 1, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Athy

      "I was blind but now I see" should be called "I was blind and still am, but I can copy and paste."

      December 1, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • PaulB

      Jesus didn't know that the world was spherical when he told the story of being tempted by the devil and put in a high place where he could see all the world's empires. You could see them all at once if the world was flat, like he must of assumed.

      December 2, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • *

      *must have (not of)... or must've

      December 2, 2012 at 12:39 am |
  7. Nietodarwin

    Lewis Black, that angry , yeliling , Jewish comedian, has figured it out for the creationists. This will help Pat Robertson.

    “Who knew that the devil had a factory where he made millions of fossils, which his minions distributed throughout the earth, in order to confuse my tiny brain?”
    _ Lewis Black, Me of Little Faith

    December 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
  8. Estaban

    "God" created "man" in his own image. This "image" is maintatined through DNA. Humans share at least 98% of the same DNA with chimpanzees. Therefore, Chimps are 98% of God's image.

    December 1, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • lol??

      That's the rumour. I hope you can restrain yourself. I heard 98.8.

      December 1, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      Now Estaban and lol, don't you boys of reason and logic go throwing around facts like chimps throw feces at the poor ignorant creationists. Ha ha

      Seriously, somebody brainwashed these people when they were young. They are victims. If we saw and adult beating a child or raping a child we would intervene or call the police, When we see kids being dragged into church, we do nothing.

      December 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Estaban

      Nietodarwin, I think you missed the fact that I being facetious. The Trogs hate the idea that they have anything to do with "monkeys," though through the "logic" of their position they would have to accept that their god wanted chimps to resemble him, too, since they are so similar to "God's image". Get it?

      December 1, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      No, I got it, I liked it, thus my feces throwing joke.!!!!!!

      I should have divided that into two different posts, the 2nd paragraph is not related to the first. We as a society need to figure out a way to use the law to protect children from this madness. All these nuts on here were brainwashed into this, and were denied education in science, logic, and reason. It's a big problem for our country.

      December 1, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Brad

      Atheist humor, it is almost as funny as their logic.

      December 1, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      BRAD, You might shake your fist at us, damn us to hell, throw some scripture at us, but you SHOULD NOT MOCK our humor or our logic, for christianity gets slaughtered in both categories compared to any faith. (Well, the Jews do kind of rule in humor, but that's usually mocking their own faith.) You can go to the Freedom From Religion Foundation website and take a bible quiz, a church state quiz, see what's going on in the court cases against the religious. You can go to Brainyquote.com and read lots of atheist comments, and come up with retorts. That short flippant answer just makes you look weak, and weakens your 'cause"???

      December 1, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Brad, At least atheists have logic, the bible is so full of inconsistencies and proven inaccuracies that logic is impossible to apply.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      BRAD (and Santa) Here's one from a heavy hitter in humor, logic, and EPIC AMERICAN LITERATURE Atheists are funnier!!

      “[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies.”
      _ Mark Twain

      December 1, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • Jack

      Nietodarwin, I was reading through a few pages of these posts and noticed that you and a few others post night and day.
      Do you do this on a full time basis or is it that you just don't have a life? Don't you folks have any friends or family that can stand spending time with you? Have fun making love to your keyboard, I am signing off and enjoying life. Enjoy wasting your Saturday night telling one another how smart you are and how dumb the rest of us are. Good night losers.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • End Religion

      Jack, CNN pays us each roughly $75,000 a year to refute you idiots 24/7. Easiest cash I ever made.

      December 1, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
  9. Richard

    If there is a God, he is so far above us as an amoeba is to us. The Bible or other religious books may not have it right. But until science can clearly explain something from nothing, I would rather put my belief in an infinite creator.

    December 1, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • GonzoDon

      So you still believe that epilepsy is caused by demon-possession, and that the sun revolves around the earth, regardless of what science says? I don't get your point.

      December 1, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      “We are here because one odd group of fishes had a peculiar fin anatomy that could transform into legs for terrestrial creatures; because the earth never froze entirely during an ice age; because a small and tenuous species, arising in Africa a quarter of a million years ago, has managed, so far, to survive by hook and by crook. We may yearn for a ‘higher answer’– but none exists”
      _ Stephen Jay Gould

      December 1, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Richard, That is the same "argument from ignorance" that man has been applying to unknown or non-understood natural processes. Before we didn't understand lightning so it was assumed god was throwing them from the heavens. Now you are just applying the same argument to creation.

      December 1, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • End Religion

      Something can come from nothing. See Lawrence Krauss. Tired of posting the video...

      December 1, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      End Religion,

      How do you post videos on here?

      December 1, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Yet you believe a creator came from nothing.

      December 1, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • End Religion

      cheese, just go to youtube, find video you want, hit 'share' button – it will give you a URL to paste. Just paste it here.

      December 1, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Thanks, I am technically challenged at times.

      December 2, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • HarryJ

      "Oooh... I don't know how something could have happened yet, so it MUST be magic!!!"

      December 2, 2012 at 12:48 am |
  10. Estaban

    What I don't understand about the Trogs who believe in Creationism is that they never indicate exactly which of the two creation myths in Genesis that they believe. As for the two above preparing to be "Raptured," get it over, already, so the rest of us can get on with civilization. Romney believes in self-deportation, is there any way we could talk you lot into self-Rapturing?

    December 1, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      SELF RAPTURE Very good. I always say I wish more creationists could win Darwin awards. Since these mentally ill delusional people just love to throw around bible quotes, (ALWAYS CITING CHAPTER AND VERSE mind you) I like to fight fire with fire and quote them this one. (I figure it really compliments your self..........self ........rapture.......(or mutilate).
      What personal sacrifice for "the kingdom of heaven" was Jesus talking about when he told his disciples, "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it"? CASTRATE YOURSELF. (Matthew 19:11-12) Yes, xstians have done this, that's about as close to "self rapture" as you can get without actual suicide.. (not really so..) FUNNY FUNNY STUFF

      December 1, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • lol??

      No two "myths".

      December 1, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Estaban

      Learn to read, "lol"

      December 1, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • PaulB

      The Genesis 1 account has man and woman created at the same time, after the animals. The Genesis 2 account has Adam being created first, then the animals, and finally Eve being created out of Adam's rib. These are different stories, right?

      December 2, 2012 at 12:59 am |
  11. Beverly Clevenger

    Hey dipstick! aka rear admiral.... You won't see me! just the bottom of my feet as you stand there with egg on your face!!!

    December 1, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      You're the admiral, sport. Got it yet stupid? Now go clean yourself up, and then wash the towels thoroughly.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      And get your mind off my dipstick. You'll never get that lucky.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
  12. Charles W. Artis

    This is one more indication that Christians like I am are living in the last days before The Rapture (the word used used in the King James Version) for the gathering of Christians to be with Jesus Christ in heaven. The Bible is Not a science book, most scientists don't agree with miracles or who Jesus Christ is. Rev. Pat Robertson has his priorities mixed up. He has more faith in science than the authority of the Old Testament. There is as much "proof" for dinosaurs as for the Lech Ness monster or Big Foot. Dinosaurs, The Ice Age, aren't mentioned in The Bible because God didn't care about them. He verified creation with nature and human life with Adam and Eve. The Old and New Testaments agree. Everything that the Bible doesn't mention is
    not important for the redemption of mankind. That's the real message of both the Old and New Testaments.

    December 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • mama k

      Charles: "There is as much "proof" for dinosaurs as for the Lech Ness monster or Big Foot."

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!

      Whoa – you have won yourself the Dimwit Award of the year with that one.. lol.

      December 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's a fine old lech, it is. It has no monster but it's nonetheless a lovely body of water, that Lech Ness.

      December 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Beverly Clevenger

      I believe in the Rapture, but I've never seen the word Rapture in the King James Bible. Old or New testament. Where did you see ?

      December 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      Charles and Beverly, I'll see you in the rapture capture with the unicorns. Don't forget to wear your nose rings – the big steel ones that I padlocked the chains onto when we were practising for the Uplifting.

      This time though, keep your mouths closed when the swirling starts and your heads go under, so the brown floaters don't go in like they did last time.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Beverly Clevenger

      The world is living in the last days Charles.Only the believers will be raptured. However I don't recall seeing the word Rapture in the King James Bible! Where is it ?

      December 1, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • End Religion

      @ChuckWart: "This is one more indication that Christians like I am are living in the last days before The Rapture"

      There are no indications of a Rapture. It is a fairy tale. Religious folks have been seeing "end times" right around the corner for 2000 years. How long will it take for you to wake up and smell the coffee?

      ***
      "The Bible is Not a science book"

      This is about the only truthful thing I've ever heard a nutter say. Congrats!

      ***
      "There is as much "proof" for dinosaurs as for the Lech Ness monster or Big Foot."

      Wrong, however we have no proof you have more brain capacity then JoJo the Dancing Monkey.

      ***
      "Dinosaurs, The Ice Age, aren't mentioned in The Bible because God didn't care about them."

      You mean the men who made up the bible didn't know about them. God had nothing to do with your book of lies.

      ***
      "He verified creation with nature and human life with Adam and Eve."

      What? Is that even a sentence? I mean it has sentence parts but does it mean something? The words don't seem to add up to an actual statement about anything.

      ***
      "The Old and New Testaments agree."

      teehee... now i know you didn't even read your own book of lies.

      ***
      "Everything that the Bible doesn't mention is not important for the redemption of mankind. That's the real message of both the Old and New Testaments."

      I thought the "real" message was love, compassion and tolerance?

      December 1, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Beverly Clevenger

      I guess it is worth posting twice!!!!!!!!!!1

      December 1, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Beverly Clevenger

      My husband loves it when I do swirlies.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • Beverly Clevenger

      I've been compromised.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Up Your Rear Admiral

      Charles and Beverly, I'll see you in the rapture capture with the unicorns. Don't forget to wear your nose rings – the big steel ones that I padlocked the chains onto when we were practising for the Uplifting.

      This time though, keep your mouths closed when the swirling starts and your heads go under, so the brown floaters don't go in like they did last time.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • Ed

      Admiral, I think you're giving new meaning to the term "holy water". Is that what they call "brown water" in the plumbing trade?

      December 1, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Ed

      *grey* water maybe.

      December 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Tommy Flanagan

      Beverly Clevenger,

      "Rapture" is in code in The Bible:

      R = Revelation
      A = Amos
      P = Psalms
      T = Timothy
      U = The last letter in Netanyahu
      R = Ruth
      E = Ezra

      You are to go to your underground bunkers, NOW. You will be instructed about when to come out...

      (yeah, that's the ticket - we'll tell you when to come out)

      December 1, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • lol??

      Charles, "Sorry! The word "rapture" doesn't occur in the KJV."................ That doctrine itself is part of the strong delusion.............. "2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" Tricky, eh?

      December 1, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • My goodness you're stupid

      So the fact that jesus had 3 wives, 12 mistresses and 37 (mostly illegitimate) children must be true, because the bible doesn't say he didn't

      December 1, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Commenter

      my goodness,

      Actually, what Charles said was: "Everything that the Bible doesn't mention is not important for the redemption of mankind."

      It's still goofy... but not quite the same thing that you are saying.

      December 1, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
  13. Believer

    So how does questioning the 6000yrs (age of the earth theory) equal "challenging" creationism? I take issue with pat in his mixing partisan politics with Biblical doctrine, but Just because one questions the "6000" years aote theory doesn't equal an endorsement for evolution–which is the biggest hoax in human history!! Truth is, no one knows the age of the earth exactly. Evolutions account is one of the most ridiculous of them all!! The earth is "probably" closer to 10,000 – 25,000 years old, but we can't know for sure. Science is just incapable of accounting for billions of years-this is one of the most absurd things being taught to kids all over the planet!!!

    December 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Colin

      Yes, all those conspiring biologists, geologists, oceanogrophers, astronomers, cosmologists, archeologists, paleontologists, horse breeders, dog breeders, oil companies, coal mining companies, horticulturists, agricultural companies and zoologists. Aren't they horrible how the falsely spread the lies of evolution.

      Fvckwit.

      December 1, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • saggyroy

      @Colin you forgot chemists, physicists, botanists, forensic scientists, medical doctors...

      December 1, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  14. LOVE

    F.A.I.T.H. H.O.P.E. C.H.A.R.I.T.Y. P.R.U.D.E.N.C.E. F.O.R.T.IT.U.D.E. M.O.D.E.R.A.T.I.O.N. J.U.S.T.I.C.E

    RADIATE BEAUTY

    December 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • LinCA

      @LOVE

      Do you have anything to contribute, or are you merely spamming this comment section?

      December 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • TR6

      Everything should be taken moderately, especially moderation

      December 1, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
  15. A day is like a thousand years

    I would expect an omniscient, omnipotent being would know the difference between 1 day and 6000 years and to be able to use the correct one when constructing a sentence.

    December 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • End Religion

      One would think, however Christians seem to keep wanting to point out his inadequacies. Maybe the whole thing we're missing is that "God" was really only like the red-haired step-child of a godling. Like a semi-demi-god twice removed. Lucky us, we got stuck with the god-tard that was just powerful enough to create a world but not smart enough to run it properly.

      December 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  16. End Religion

    http://youtu.be/SY0Mvbg4Kyg

    December 1, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  17. Someone over there at the 700 Club better reign in Pat Robertson before he goes totally sane

    December 1, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • lol??

      Nah, you can use Homeland Security. They are vital missionaries.

      December 1, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Garrett

      There is really no such thing as a vital missionary. Anyone pushing religion on someone else is bad and is doing something evil as well as unnecessary.

      December 1, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • lol??

      garret, "........The Department of Homeland Security has a vital mission:.........." http://www.dhs.gov/about-dhs

      December 1, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Garrett

      lol, I meant in any religious context. Go suck an ubercorrectness egg.

      December 1, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • lol??

      but Garrett, you just can't help yourself. Is there a special position for egg sucking? Face down, ahem, that sort of thing?

      December 1, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  18. Mac

    The justices' decision will likely resolve an ongoing battle between scientists who believe that genes carrying the secrets of life should not be exploited for commercial gain

    December 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
  19. rreynolds

    Christians where is your Faith in God's Word ?????????????????????????????/

    December 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • joseph

      @rreynolds

      show me first your god then MAYBE i will have faith. but you need to prove your god is really a god not the one from fairy tale book called bible

      December 1, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  20. franny bombaro

    i agree with Pat Roberston's view to a degree. i also feel that when an animals adapt to new enviornments, is that evolution? I believe in the Bible Word of God, and someday we will know the truth. can we get together on World Poverty,
    end all the wars and make mankind -really kind to all man. thanks

    December 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • joseph

      THATS YOUR BELIEF KEEP IT TO YOURSELF

      December 1, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Evocution

      If your God wanted world piece then why did he go around killing people or commanding others to kill? Why did he advocate slavery with guidelines on how badly you can beat them, or honor killings of disobedient children, or the great flood that wiped out all living beings except for a chosen family? Why penalize woman for Eve's sin and make them suffer pain during childbirth? Why command men to kill the women of their enemies who laid with a man and take the virgins as your property? Why did God have two female bears rip apart 42 kids for making fun of a bald man of God? Etc., etc..

      December 1, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • dippidy doo dah

      joseph, this is the belief blog after all, derp

      December 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • joseph

      dippidy your wrong. this freedom of expression just like you expressing your false belief and your false god. if this is for believers only it should be called bible forum only not cnn. or you just don't get it

      lol no offend

      December 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • PaulB

      franny bombaro
      Yes, adapting to new environments is part of evolution. Adaptions happen naturally. In any given population of foxes, for example, some will be individuals with thicker fur which would be an advantage should the climate temperature lower. The foxes with less fur will not survive as well, the thicker-furred foxes will reproduce more and soon most of them will have thicker fur than their ancestors. After a load more generations these new foxes would be so unlike their ancestors that they could be called a new species. Further down the road, more changes may make their descendants into something that can't even be called a fox any more, see?

      December 2, 2012 at 1:26 am |
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