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December 5th, 2012
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Rubio clarifies age of the earth answerBy Ashley Killough, CNN (CNN)– Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to clear up Wednesday his controversial answer to a question about the earth's age last month. "Science says (the earth) is about 4.5 billion years old. My faith teaches that's not inconsistent," Rubio said at a Politico Playbook Breakfast in Washington. "God created the heavens and the earth, and science has given us insight into when he did it and how he did it." "The more science learns," he continued, "the more I am convinced that God is real." Sen. Marco Rubio's religious journey: Catholic to Mormon to Catholic to Baptist and Catholic Rubio was asked how old the planet was in an interview with GQ magazine published November 19. The senator, who's considered to be weighing a 2016 presidential bid, replied saying the Earth's age is "one of the great mysteries." Emphasizing he "was not a scientist," Rubio said "whether the Earth was created in seven days, or seven actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that." FULL STORY
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All cults...........creationists, ID believers and devil cults.................
The fact...............the earth is to old ...........time to EVOLVE !.
Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle
Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm
Peace
Free speech helps educate the masses................POLITICIANS too !
Where do morals come from?
By Kelly Murray, CNN
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments
Gravity is not up for debate !
BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !
Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet..............................E = mc2..........(U–Pb).................two math formulas.
Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm
Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.
The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?
The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species
Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm
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Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm
And NO ANGELS the pope KICKED them OFF the TEAM last year !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml
the wrong path is Adam and Eve !
Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought
Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm
No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US
Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.
No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !
Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History
Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm
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The fact...............the earth is to old for this nonsemse ! Time to EVOLVE !
Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle
Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm
For what...................... ? Make sure to read what the pope said !
Where do morals come from?
By Kelly Murray, CNN
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/
Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.
Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’
Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/
Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \
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By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/
April 7th, 2012
08:32 PM ET
The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915
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The ORIGIN story is bullsh-it...............so is the bible............... nasty !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml
BBC. Planet of the Apemen. Battle for Earth 1. Ho-mo Erectus
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BACKFILL on E =mc2.....
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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/category/culture-science/
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Human Evolution (1 of 2)
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2cHumanevo.shtml
Illustrative text showing indisputably that creationism is a sole considerable factor for existence of the earth and human race; http://www.jariiivanainen.net/theageoftheearth.html
tabletti: Too funny...all that does is point directly back to the book you hold to be truth, nothing more. It's called circular reasoning and it fails.
Anyone find Adam and Eve's fossils yet ?
It shouldn't be that hard to find 6,000 year old fossils.
Maybe they're mummies somewhere.
@mama k and Chad – Looking to the Founders/Framers is helpful, but simply can't be morally or practically controlling in Con law disputes. They were simultaneously brilliant and hypocritical, particularly so when contrasting their professed ideals to their practices (both private and public). IMHO, it is "We the People" today that actually matters, not the political or philosophical views of the Founders/Framers. Were there any true deference to the "Framer's Intent" then we could have no basis for striking down anti-miscegenation laws (Loving v. Virginia). Similarly, were we to restrict ourselves to pure textualism, we'd have no "right to privacy" (Griswold v. Connecticut). What I argue is that there is insufficient unanimity among the Framers, the state legislatures or the "We the People" of the late 18th century to provide a viable adjudicative framework. As a hypocrite myself:
"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.” – Thomas Jefferson
Oops. Wrong spot...
Evolution is a myth, atheists don't think for themselves they allow themselves to be brain washed by their cult leader Richard Dawkins. Read 'Darwin's black box' and 'evolution a theory in crisis'
Of course, Poe Pedro understands evolution is as much a fact as gravity. If you don't believe in gravity you're free to test it from the roof of a tall building. He's also been hurt learning that his religion is a cult and so strikes out at atheism with the same terms even though atheism cannot possibly be a cult as it is simply an answer of 'no' to the one question 'do you believe in any gods?"
Pedro
Sorry, Pedro, I, for example, made up my mind that the god stories I was hearing were BS at about the age of 15 and adopted the atheist handle a few years later. I arrived at my conclusion without ever knowing the writings of Bertrand Russel, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, etc. Unlike many christians I had the advantage of NOT being brainwashed before I could think for myself.
ER, you mean natural selection, right? You can't bait and switch evolution and natural selection. Christians believed in natural selection before Darwin "created" evolution!
Guy, You never believed in Christianity. This is the problem with catechism. Faith is not of the natural world, it is spiritual. Faith is not inherited. Through your heart, you neurologically determine what you believe (Dr. Caroline Leaf). The information you accept or reject is permanently embedded in your heart and to change it takes a real wisdom from a real God. The knowledge of those whom you now follow has "hardened" your heart.
Believer – "The information you accept or reject is permanently embedded in your heart" LMAO!
Believer
Happy for you, enjoy. I see religion/god as a clever scam with christianity being the most successful of them all, the wealthiest.
Pedro: You might want to attack the right scientific theory. Evolution in no way attempts to prove or disprove God. It also does not attempt to date the age of the universe, nor does it attempt to prove how life began. What it has done, is show the evolution of species over time, and it has shown that species share a common ancestry. The mountains of evidence supporting the theory of evolution come from many different lines of scientific inquiry and they all point to the conclusions and predictions of evolution. In addition, you don't believe" or disbelieve in evolution, you either accept the evidence or not. Those that accept the theory of evolution are not in any way bound to be atheist. Atheism has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God.
It seems pretty clear from your post you don't understand what the theory of evolution is or what it means to be an Atheist.
Believer, do literally mean the heart, or is this an imaginary or figurative organ similar to your imaginary god?
The age of the earth is immaterial. What matters is how old sin is. By definition humanity began when sin began. We are by nature sinful and unclean.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
According to Christians, everyone including them sins so this is pretty pointless.
By *your* definition maybe. Sin doesn't exist.
Poor Chad
You have doomed yourself, because you will never overcome your sinful pride and arrogance.
I really like Rubio. I understand the questions and comments that followed are going to be questioned, but he would be a WAY better candidate than Romney.
Rubio looks every bit as dense as Palin. His excuse was that changing subjects quickly from rap to religion would require a ROBOT.
One Palin is too many.
No doubt, Observer. It's no surprise jarhead would "really like" a brainless azz like Rubio. It's no wonder the right lost the election.
Well I guess the democrats better keep their fingers crossed. I know it is early, but he is very popular. I just hope the lines are blended somewhere because the country needs to come together. It seems during the last two elections, the people have dug their heels in. I don't think that a "hard line" left or right will help anymore. The culture has changed.
Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son,
Republicans keep coming up with pretty faces without a lot of sense (Palin, Bachmann, O'Donnell, Rubio) who are not ready for prime time.
How very grown up of you. Most of you cannot have a legit discussion about politics or religion without trying to attack those with oposing views. Blame it on the looks.
jarhead333,
If you are going to comment, at least try to involve some reading comprehension.
I blamed NOTHING on looks. Do you consider those people to be good-looking or ugly?
Pretty faces without a lot of sense? I think I got it. Still says that you think the GOP is only running out pretty faces. I don't know why you can't follow.
jarhead333
"Pretty faces without a lot of sense? I think I got it. Still says that you think the GOP is only running out pretty faces. I don't know why you can't follow."
They RAN McCain and Romney. Weren't you paying attention? Are you just pretending to be this dense?
I'm not even sure if even you know what you are talking about anymore.
At this point Repubs would need to run JC himself to have a chance. Obama ratings still going up. That'll transfer to next candidate.
It's interesting only a few weeks into Obama's 2nd term that you still want to wait for the next candidate to begin moving forward. Obama has dragged you cretins forward even while you have dug your heels in against him because of his race.
the story about him would go away, and he would fade away into political has-been land . . .
Republicans and their fvcktarded sheep followers need to die off immediately. Faqqots.
Grow up.
Funny cause that's what would happen to the Liberals if they had their way with Abortion and Gay Marriage. After a couple generations the libs would be dwindling near extinction.
" ....would be dwindling near extinction." Um, no.
1. You must not know much about biology, and
2. Just everyone knows NO conservative Christians have EVER had an abortion. ( eye roll )
WOW,
Two incredibly ignorant statements. Well done. Please try to get an education.
Somehow, WOW, you get more idiotic with the passage of time.
The fact that someone thinks that the choice of whether to continue a pregnancy or not isn't YOU does not mean she would terminate any and all pregnancies of her own. How fvcking stupid are you?
Chad
from my post on page one, there are almost as many varities of theistic evolution as those that espouse it, care to define your view of what a theistic evolutionist is that accepts common ancestory? Don't be obtuse spit it out.
Chad,
The Ussher Chronology did EXTENSIVE research and estimated the age of the earth as 6,000 years.
Johannes Kepler estimated the age of the earth as 6,000 years.
Isaac Newton estimated the age of the earth as 6,000 years.
Please tell us why you think you know more than Ussher, Kepler and Newton do. We will stop laughing and listen.
you are free to believe the earth is 6000 years old if you want, the bible doesnt say that though.
No thanks. Based on research by Ussher and others based on what the Bible says, it's OFF by billions of years.
Consevative christians are the dumbest group of fvcktards on the planet.
""The more science learns," he continued, "the more I am convinced that God is real."
I never understand why people think that an investigation of our natural world (science) could ever produce anything but support for the theistic claim.
Fossil Record.
From the late 1800's thru 1972 the notion of "Darwinian gradualism" held the world captive. The notion that purely random mutation preserved in the population by natural selection would produce a gradual change, which over time would create the complexity of life we now observe (phyletic gradualism).
Then, in 1972 the publication of "Punctuated equilibria: an alternative to phyletic gradualism" by Stephen Gould (atheist) finally forced the scientific world to accept the reality that the fossil record does not show the gradual change over time that Darwin proposed.
Instead, what the community was forced to acknowledge, is that the fossil record reflects stasis and rapid change.
This supports the theistic evolutionist claim that God used natural processes to develop life on this earth, as pure chance can never explain the grand paroxysm of necessarily interrelated mutations that are required to occur to accomplish this rapid change.
Origins of the universe
For most of scientific history, the universe was thought to have always existed, directly refuting the theistic claim that the universe had a beginning, and a creator.
Then, a series of discoveries resulted in a complete transformation of thought, we now know that our universe has not always existed, rather it had a beginning, confirming the theistic claim:
– 1929: Edwin Hubble discovers red shift (the stars and planets are all moving away from each other. The universe is expanding in all directions)
– 1965: discovery of microwave cosmic background radiation (the echo's of the big bang)
– 1998, two independent research groups studying distant supernovae were astonished to discover, against all expectations, that the current expansion of the universe is accelerating (Reiss 1998, Perlmutter 1999).
– 2003: Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin's Past-Finite Universe proves our universe had a beginning
Fine Tuning of the universe
In the past 30 or 40 years, scientists have been astonished to find that the initial conditions of our universe were fine-tuned for the existence of building blocks of life. Constants such as gravitational constant have been found, the variation of which to even the smallest degree, would have rendered the universe utterly incapable of supporting life.
"There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned' for life". However, he continues, "the conclusion is not so much that the Universe is fine-tuned for life; rather it is fine-tuned for the building blocks and environments that life requires." Paul Davies
"The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life Stephen Hawking
Yep. Not ONE thing there that points to 6,000 years.
it always confuses me when people say that the bible states how old the earth is, because it doesnt say anywhere.
odd..
Chad,
You are confused because you don't follow the Bible's lineage from Adam to Jesus. "A beget B who begat C who . . .". Just work on "known" or average life spans then and you won't be confused anymore.
boo
@Observer "You are confused because you don't follow the Bible's lineage from Adam to Jesus. "A beget B who begat C who . . .". Just work on "known" or average life spans then and you won't be confused anymore."
@Chad "AHH.. I didnt realize that was the purpose of the genealogies (to determine the elapsed time between the births of two persons), I thought the purpose of the genealogies was to establish legal claims and such..
ok, so then the bible says that Jesus was "the son of David, the son of Abraham". Matthew
so.. now I'm really confused.. because we know that between Jesus and Abraham was like,, 2000 years or something. So, are you saying that Abraham was like 1,900 years old or something?
@Chad,
didn't you post this already on page 1?
Chad,
I didn't do the caculations, others did. You notice that not one top Christian questions the derivation from lineage.
Keep spinning. I can't wait for you to hit the first MILLION years.
Perhaps it was somewhere else.
@Observer "I didn't do the caculations, others did. You notice that not one top Christian questions the derivation from lineage."
=>you are saying that all of the "top Christians" believe the earth is ~6,000 years old?
really?
I think you are mistaken 🙂
in any case.. what do I do about your claim that abraham is like 1900 years old? Everyone that I know of thinks that Methuselah was the oldest, and he only made it to 969, less than 1/2 of your dating of abraham.
Chad,
I NEVER said that. Try again.
You are the one who believes that people live HUNDREDS of years. If you want to shorten the 6,000 years range, go ahead.
Chad
You've had your azz handed to you on your stupid as fvck claims about punctuated equilibrium, so you're lying when you continue to pretend that argument is relevant. As to your other claims and quotations, they're meaningless because they only raise questions instead of answer them with "the god of the hebrews" as you intend. You're a dishonest little sh!t, andyou know it.
@Observer "You are confused because you don't follow the Bible's lineage from Adam to Jesus. "A beget B who begat C who . . .". Just work on "known" or average life spans then and you won't be confused anymore."
@Chad "bible says that Jesus was "the son of David, the son of Abraham", so that means Abraham is like 1900 years old?"
@Observer "I NEVER said that. Try again.""
@Chad "now I am completely confused. you said that I could add up the ""A beget B who begat C" times and get an total elapsed time.
but, when I do that, I get a result that doesnt make sense?? Either Abraham was like 1900 years old, or Abraham's descendants were able to have children at like, 30 days old or something..
help!!
Nobody could help you, Vegetable.
The same faulty Chad arguments that do absolutely nothing for him. I guess when he professes it enough he has no choice but to stick to it no matter how wrong he knows he is.
@Moby Schtick "As to your other claims and quotations, they're meaningless because they only raise questions "
=>I agree they raise a lot of questions!!
Chad: "so then the bible says that Jesus was "the son of David, the son of Abraham". Matthew"
"we know that between Jesus and Abraham was like,, 2000 years"
So you are claiming that the Bible lied and blaming me? lol. That"s a riot!
Just look at the emoticon usage; that'll tell you how far up his azz Chard's head is lodged.
chad, your goal is to answer questions with "big invisible hebrew sky wizard did it with magic spellz," yet you've not ever put anything forth that demands that answer. It's not a problem for folks who are willing to admit that they don't know; it's a problem for the folks who want a certain answer to apply that can't be shoehorned into the answer blank you've outlined.
In short, you defeat your own arguments before they even get started.
Chad
Repeat of page one. You didn't complete your arguement there and will not do it here. Can you not stop yourself?
@Observer "So you are claiming that the Bible lied and blaming me? lol. That"s a riot!"
=>lol
no, what I"m illustrating, is that adding up "A beget B who begat C" to get a total elapsed duration of time is not what the genealogies in the bible are there for 🙂
@Moby Schtick "your goal is to answer questions with "big invisible hebrew sky wizard did it with magic spellz," yet you've not ever put anything forth that demands that answer. It's not a problem for folks who are willing to admit that they don't know;"
=>well, I guess that is certainly true. If you are willing to answer every question with "I dont know", no question needs to be answered 🙂
of course.. that attitude would completely halt all critical inquiry as we know it.. right?
Chad,
Do some research. Read about the Ussher chronology which agrees with numerous other estimates like Isaac Newton and Kepler.
Still waiting for a spin to give just the FIRST MILLION years. lol.
Chad
So far you have used, "It always confuses me", "now, I am really confused", "I think you are mistaken", buy haven't got around to your favorite "you don't understand", but we all understand you are a confused fraudulent troll.
@Observer "Do some research. Read about the Ussher chronology...."
=>so, you think the bible says that the earth is 6000 years old??
where? I've read it dozens of times and never see it, how could I have missed it?
where does it say that?
@Chad
No, dipsh!t, it's where honest inquiry BEGINS. If I don't claim to know, then I can investigate the possibilities. Saying you don't know allows you a place to start from. Saying 'MY preferred invisible sky wizard did it" only ends the inquiry before it even started. For example, if you want to truly contribute to evolutionary science, then find a place where the theory is in dispiute--in short, where it says, "We really don't know," then begin researching that section based on the solid information we do have that speaks to what we really don't yet know.
You're jumping hoops that nobody's holding up but you and nobody cares about but somebody who has no clue that they're totally misrepresenting the positions that they're ridiculing. It's like you're mocking dog racing and the fake rabbit used by jagging off with a stuffed rabbit from Wal-Mart as if there's any significance to the movement of your wrist.
How would answering "I don't know" "halt inquiry," you bobble-head? If anything, admitting that we don't know is an impetus for more research and questioning. If anyone is halting inquiry, Chard, it's those who throw up their hands and say "goddidit."
That would be dolts like you.
Cross-posted with Moby, who has, as usual, stated the case far better than I.
Perhaps a miracle has occurred! Maybe Chard's eyes have been opened! Could he be busy eating crow? Or humble pie?
I'm noticing that Chad never, ever responds to people pointing out that these "arguments" have been addressed and refuted.
@Observer,
I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.
Chad is not a young earth creationist who believes the earth is <10,000 years old.
I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV,
This is all to try to help Chad's confusion because "it always confuses me when people say that the bible states how old the earth is, because it doesnt say anywhere."
Chad is still on about Borde, Guth and Vilenkin. He missed out on Hartle and Hawking because he can't distinguish between imaginary as in his God of Israel and imaginary as in the imaginary part of a complex number. It's strange what things are stumbling blocks to Chad.
Chad did reveal, if not confess, that his assumptions always include the existence of the God of Israel entirely as described in his NIV.
Well this looks more and more like at least someone wants a straight answer on the same question I asked about mitochondrial eve. how does one interpret the Bible to make it "line up with" these ancient beings as new discoveries are made? It would be a whole lot simpler if the theologians would just admit they don't know.
So it seems like there are two points to investigate here, which have much contention – 1. how do theologians justify Biblical creation in general as we learn more about the earth's creation; and 1. how do theologians justify Biblical lineage as we learn more and more about the earliest man (which now looks like at least ~200,000 years ago).
It's an interesting hobby. Chad ties all his thinking to a text that he insists must be true and then engages in the pretzel logic required to bash everything into agreement with it. It must wear on him.
I'm a Christian, but I can honestly say that I have no idea how old Earth is, or life for that matter. I love science. While many of you would disagree with me about where life began, I think the topic is great and should be discussed. As it pertains to how old the Earth is, there is debate even in the church. Since the Bible does not give a specific time period. A lineage does not prove the age of the Earth.
"A lineage does not prove the age of the Earth."
well said!
Atheists love Christians that make unfounded interpolations.
Atheists hate it when you point out that it is an unfounded interpolation, in fact as @observer did here, they will often defend the interpolation, because they dont want to loose the ability to seize on it as demonstrating the inaccuracy of the bible. Quite amazing really
Atheists would rather continue to use an inaccurate interpolation as an invalid criticism than do the work to see if what they are saying is true.
Kind of similar to @GOPer criticizing tacitly acknowledging that it is MORE IMPORTANT that a person deny the existence of God, than it is to have arrived at that conclusion thru critical inquiry.
Clearly the most important thing to the atheist, is denying the reality of God, regardless of the facts, or the method one used to arrive at that denial.
Chad,
lol.
Still waiting for your KNOWLEDGEABLE rebuttal to the Ussher Chronology that was heavily researched BASED ON THE BIBLE?
lol.
Why would anyone sane want to deny the existence of God, but that his existence cannot be determined by critical inquiry?
@Observer "Still waiting for your KNOWLEDGEABLE rebuttal to the Ussher Chronology that was heavily researched BASED ON THE BIBLE?"
@chad "My point exactly 🙂 "
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@Some assembly required "Why would anyone sane want to deny the existence of God, but that his existence cannot be determined by critical inquiry?"
@chad "hunh? You lost me"
Chad,
After several failures to respond, it's obivous that you have no rebuttal to the extensive research done by Ussher. No surprise.
Thanks. You have actually answered my question.
🙂
how about this: the bible doesnt say how old the earth is.
pretty simple..
The Bible doesn't know how old the earth is, eh Chad? 🙂
@Some assembly required "The Bible doesn't know how old the earth is, eh Chad?"
@chad "you lost me again..
the bible is an inanimate object, it doesnt have thoughts..
There you go, Chad. It is in fact an inanimate object. Nothing more.
I'm curious, do you think that Christians believe the bible has thoughts? That it is human in some way?
Chad,
Don't worry anymore about any Ussher Chronology rebuttal. We already knew you had NONE.
Something like that: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
science refutes god
http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/past-debates/item/728-science-refutes-god#
@Some assembly required "The Bible doesn't know how old the earth is, eh Chad?"
@chad "the bible is an inanimate object, it doesnt have thoughts.."
@Some assembly required "There you go, Chad. It is in fact an inanimate object. Nothing more."
@Chad "I'm curious, do you think that Christians believe the bible has thoughts? That it is human in some way?"
@Some assembly required "Something like that: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
@Chad "so, you believe that Christians think that "the Word" is referring to the bible?
dont you think it's wise to actually understand what Christians DO think? If you hold a false belief as to what Christian theology is, then isnt your criticism completely unfounded?
The bizarre thing about atheists is the way they will construct a belief, attribute it to Christians, then criticize that belief. I'm starting to understand that it isnt a strawman in the fallacious logic sense, because atheists arent aware that they are doing it for the most part.
in the vast majority of cases, It is simply ignorance of the actual content of the bible. "never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance" comes to mind...
Unfortunately, Chard, when anyone reads your posts, they can ascribe your blather to both ignorance AND malice.
the story about him would go away, and he would fade away into political has-been land
magic and telepathy........not real......religion is poison.....get rid of the blanket, Linus.......it's infected with smallpox and it's making lot's of people sick......I know it comforts you, but it's a clown's flower that squirts acid.
I believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design - So I can blame GOD for everything that is wrong in the world!!!!!