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December 14th, 2012
06:17 PM ET

Massacre of children leaves many asking, 'Where’s God?'

By Dan Gilgoff and Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editors

(CNN) – As he waited with parents who feared that their kids were among the 20 children killed at a Connecticut elementary school on Friday, Rabbi Shaul Praver said the main thing he could do for parents was to merely be present.

“It’s a terrible thing, families waiting to find out if their children made it out alive,” said Praver, who leads a synagogue in Newtown, Connecticut, and was among nine clergy gathered with parents at a firehouse near Sandy Hook Elementary School, where the shooting occurred.

“They’re going to need a lot of help,” Praver said of those who are close to the dead.

From the first moments after Friday’s massacre, which also left six adults and the shooter dead, religious leaders were among the first people to whom worried and grieving families turned for help.

Over the weekend, countless more Americans will look to clergy as they struggle to process a tragedy in which so many of the victims were children.

“Every single person who is watching the news today is asking ‘Where is God when this happens?’” says Max Lucado, a prominent Christian pastor and author based in San Antonio.

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Lucado says that pastors everywhere will be scrapping their scheduled Sunday sermons to address the massacre.

“You have to address it - you have to turn everything you had planned upside down on Friday because that’s where people’s hearts are,” Lucado says.

“The challenge here is to avoid the extremes – those who say there are easy answers and those who say there are no answers.”

Indeed, many religious leaders on Friday stressed that the important thing is for clergy to support those who are suffering, not to rush into theological questions. A University of Connecticut professor on Friday hung up the phone when asked to discuss religious responses to suffering, saying, “This is an immense tragedy, and you want an academic speculating on the problem of evil?”

“There is no good answer at that time that anyone can hear and comprehend and take in,” said Ian T. Douglas, the bishop for the Episcopal diocese of Connecticut, referring to counseling family and friends of the dead. “They’re crying out from a place of deep pain.”

Praver, the rabbi, will join a memorial service Friday night at Newtown’s St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church.

“We’re going to have a moment of prayer for the victims,” Praver said of the service. “We cannot let it crush our spirit and we march on.”

Some national religious groups are also sending staff to Newtown, with 10 chaplains dispatched from the North Carolina-based Billy Graham Evangelistic Association on Friday.

Public officials including President Obama, meanwhile, turned to the Bible in responding to the shooting. “In the words of Scripture, 'heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds,' ” Obama said from the White House, citing the book of Psalms.

On Twitter, #PrayForNewton became a trending topic.

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Some religious leaders argue that modern American life insulates much of the nation from the kind of senseless death and suffering that plagues much of the world every day.

“Most of the world, for most of the world’s history, has known tragedy and trauma in abundance,” wrote Rob Brendle, a Colorado pastor, in a commentary for CNN’s Belief Blog after this summer’s deadly shooting in Aurora, Colorado, which left 12 dead.

“You don’t get nearly the same consternation in Burundi or Burma, because suffering is normal to there,” wrote Brendle, who pastored congregants after a deadly shooting at his church five years ago. “For us, though, God has become anesthetist-in-chief. To believe in him is to be excused from bad things.”

My Take: This is where God was in Aurora

Lucado said there was an eerie irony for the Connecticut tragedy coming just before Christmas, noting the Bible says that Jesus Christ’s birth was followed by an order from King Herod to slay boys under 2 in the Roman city of Bethlehem.

“The Christmas story is that Jesus was born into a dark and impoverished world,” Lucado says. “His survival was surrounded by violence. The real Christmas story was pretty rough.”

Many religious leaders framed Friday’s shooting as evidence for evil in the world and for human free will in the face of a sovereign God.

“The Bible tells us the human heart is ‘wicked’ and ‘who can know it?’” the Rev. Franklin Graham said in a statement about the massacre. “My heart aches for the victims, their families and the entire community.”

Many religious leaders also said that such tragedies are a good time for lay people to express doubts about God – or anger.

“This is a time to go deep and pray,” says Lucado. “If you have a problem with God, shake a fist or two at him. If he’s God, he’s going to answer. And if he’s in control, he’ll find a way to let you know.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (9,195 Responses)
  1. Lemaitre

    To all of you so-called scientific types, do not let yourself be tainted with a barren skepticism.

    December 16, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm not a "scientific type" by any stretch. I simply don't buy into the crap the zealots are selling here.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Well, it's a quote (after the comma) from Louis Pasteur. He was a REAL scientist, unlike most of the posers here.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Oh, and he was a devout believer.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      And what did he accomplish using his belief?

      December 16, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  2. Lemaitre

    All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.

    December 16, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • Jim

      How exactly do you come to that conclusion?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Name one thing a religion has every proven as being true?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Actually that is quote from Albert Einstein, ask him.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • fintastic

      I asked him.... this is what he said;

      "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

      Albert Einstein

      December 18, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  3. Lemaitre

    Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature.

    December 16, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      That depends upon what you mean by a miracle ,for example water into wine is contrary to nature but doesn't happen; if you mean, for example, an unexpected recovery from an apparently terminal illness – that isn't contrary to nature just unexplained or possibly a low probability occurrence.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Quote from St Augustine. You're probably smarter than him, so I'll throw in with your drivel.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • Bet

      Anyone who has read a decent biography of St. Augustine can see that he was most likely bipolar and possibly schizophrenic. It's quite common in highly intelligent people, especially when you add brainwashing by religion and guilt by proxy to the mix.

      Such people are capable of saying things both brilliant and delusional, sometimes in the same sentence.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  4. Salero21

    Apes, all other animals and lower levels of CREATED creatures do have routines and rituals. It has been observed and also recorded time and again, that apes are as well as all other animals, capable of showing affection even compa$$ion to others of their own, even to others of different species.

    So, when atheists fail again and again to show such basic feelings, they actually place themselves well below the level of apes. From which they claim to belong.

    Having or practicing a religion (something the atheists mock and scorn), is one of many attributes that differentiates and separates us [Humans] from the apes. Having religion is something that ONLY Humans [us] are capable of having and practice.

    Whether is a basic and simple belief in a Supreme Being or in the Creator; that is something that ONLY Humans can do. Therefore when atheists fail again and again to show some basic belief in a Supreme Being or a Creator they are at the level of apes.

    But when in situations like this one in discussion and which is the subject matter of this article. The atheists fail to show compa$$ion or at the very least sympathy to those in distress, they have in fact descended way below the level of apes. This while the apes are only descending from the trees.

    December 16, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Athy

      Where did you get the notion that atheists don't have compassion? You're making an unwarranted assumption.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Salero, you're mentally deficient.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Athy

      And we don't "claim to belong from apes," or whatever your silly statement tried to say.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Damocles

      @salero

      Stop huffing glue. That is all.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      So your argument is only humans can delude themselves into believing invisible, untestable, supernatural things are real, and you think that is a positive trait that elevates us above other animals. BUT those that don't fall into that type of belief are actually lower than animals.

      Wow, you are stupid...and scary.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Damocles, as usual, you made me laugh out loud. My husband wanted to know what was so funny.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Salero21

      Atheists believe and claim to descend from the apes or from some ape like CREATURE. Such CREATURE of course had to be CREATED in the first place? Their conduct and behavior toward others of the same species [humans] who are under this distress now however, places them well below the level of those same apes.

      It is no wonder the why of the behavior of many of the most famous atheists, once they achieved positions of power and authority among men. Even apes can demonstrate affections and compa$$ion way above that of the atheists. While the apes only descend from the trees, the atheists with their unbelief and cynicism, descends way below the level of the ape in the hierarchy of CREATE creatures.

      Now, it is the claim of atheists that according to science the apes and humans share a high percentage of some DNA. Well, what the atheists and their scientists' allies supinely ignore is that they [apes] and we [humans] actually share at a 100% the ONE, SAME and ONLY CREATOR.

      That’s why we [humans] and they [apes] share the same elements in our bodies and such high percentage of DNA. They and us also share similar abilities to show affections and compa$$ions to our own and other species.

      However what they [apes] and us [humans] DO NOT share is a God given attribute, privilege of being able to have and practice religion. That [religion] is something that ONLY humans can have. This is something that even an ape if he could comprehend would comprehend. The atheists cannot comprehend this because they have placed themselves below the level of apes. I can thank God that I was able to understand this before the apes and the ape will probably understand it before an atheist does.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Do you often suffer these episodes, Salero? Do you frequently make up crap and pretend it's true?

      Seek help.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "It is no wonder the why of the behavior of many of the most famous atheists, once they achieved positions of power and authority among men."

      Ahahhhahhhha! Did you think this was a sentence? Did you dream it made any sense at all? What the fvck are you smoking?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Such CREATURE of course had to be CREATED in the first place?"

      Are you asking? Or did you just put a question mark there randomly?

      You are so stupid it's embarrassing to be part of the human race that includes mutts like you.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Salero, despite what you see politicians and religious leaders doing, repeating nonsense doesn't make it true.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      You are proof humans can delude themselves into any crazy BS they put their mind to. Good for you.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Damocles

      @salero

      So apes have no religion and tend to be a generally non-violent species.... humans can practice religion and.... ohhhhh shyt.

      @tom

      I need to laugh since my damn Steelers make me weep in shame. 🙁

      December 16, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Salero21", but all of the assertions you have made to date are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent true statements is: "EPIC FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...

      December 16, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      My sympathies, Dam. I know your pain; fortunately for me the Skins WON today, even with the rookie QB!!!

      Oops. Never mind. Continue weeping.

      December 16, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • skytag

      Why do believers have to delude themselves with false stereotypes about atheists?

      December 17, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  5. Lemaitre

    I am indeed amazed when I consider how weak my mind is and how prone to error.

    Obviously, many of you don't suffer that affliction

    December 16, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      First line also Descartes.

      But of course you're all smarter than that . . .

      December 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • fintastic

      Smart enough to put quotes " " around a quote...

      Like this;

      “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.”

      December 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  6. Lemaitre

    The senses deceive from time to time, and it is prudent never to trust wholly those who have deceived us even once.

    December 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Rene Descartes . . .

      Catholic philosopher

      December 16, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • fintastic

      "The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart as God. We can't have that."

      Frank Zappa

      December 18, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  7. Lemaitre

    You all seem to reject real science. Charming.

    December 16, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Pray tell, what exactly is "real" science?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Anon

      I assume the IDiot kind.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • fintastic

      You seem to be retarded...... how's that working out for you?

      December 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  8. Lemaitre

    I say, seek the truth in all things, in so far as God has granted that to human reason!

    December 16, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Anon

      Well reason tells me your god is a piece of $#it.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      That doesn't sound like a very reasoned thought at all! More childlike than anything.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • skytag

      Reason tells me there is no god.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Anon

      How about an egocentric narcissistic tyrant?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Which god are you referring to? How about Odin? The Norse legends say that he killed all of the Ice Giants. Guess what? There are no Ice Giants in Scandinavia, so it must be true!

      December 16, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Attack . . . I'm quoting Nicolaus Copernicus. I guess the father of the Copernican theory, and Catholic priests' understanding of God.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Science has progressed a lot since the time of Copernicus, so it's no surprise that he had not rid himself of superstition.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • fintastic

      "My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can."
      - Frank Zappa

      See? I can be a quote-bot too!

      December 18, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  9. Lemaitre

    To know that we know what we know, and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge

    December 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      Sphincter says what?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Lemaitre

      Original quote from N. Copernicus.

      Father of the heliocentric view of the universe, and Catholic priest.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Just because we don't know, doesn't mean a god did it.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • fintastic

      “Anybody who wants religion is welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned–I support your right to enjoy it. However, I would appreciate it if you exhibited more respect for the rights of those people who do not wish to share your dogma, rapture, or necrodestination.”

      December 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  10. Salero21

    Atheists are below the level of apes from which they claim to descend.

    It has been observed and recorded, that apes are capable of showing affection and compa$$ion to their own and even to other species. When atheists fail to do the same, they indeed place themselves beyond the level of apes. It is my prayer to God [Our Father] that HE may grant them [atheists] the opportunity to ascend, develop, progress and rise above the apes.

    December 16, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Anon

      We don't respect obvious stupidity and madness.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • skytag

      People like you are the best evidence I know that Christianity is a fraud.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Salero, how many other names do you use here? It's so hard to tell because so many of your sort are equally idiotic.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Actually Sal, atheists don't claim to have descended from apes. The scientific evidence, including DNA sequencing, shows that humans and current apes descended from a common ape-like ancestor. As for the rest of your post, well – believe whatever fairy tale you want. But ask yourself – what if you're backing the wrong horse? There have been thousands of gods described – what do you think that your version, out of all of those thousands, is correct? And please understand that a believer of a different god probably has exactly the same reasons for believing their god as you have for believing your god.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Athy

      Salerno, keep up your great posts. They're doing more than any of mine to produce new atheists. Such utter stupidity could come only from a religie.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  11. Salero21

    Ok people; Time out and time off, just to check on a few basic doctrines.

    NO, not everyone goes to heaven. 🙁

    NO, not everyone goes to hell. 🙂

    Children DO NOT turn into angels when they die, they are not watching over us now.

    Angels were not children before being angels.

    Dying "peacefully" or quietly does not means the person was good, saved and is going to heaven.

    Dying violently (like when being killed), does not means the person was bad, lost and is going to hell.

    Both the "good" and the "bad" can die in the same place, at the same time, and in the same way, even for the same reason.

    Almost all persons know when and where they were born, but none knows when, where and how they/we are going to die.

    Therefore it is an Absolute Necessity, an Absolute Must that we believe and know that Jesus is the Son of God, our Lord and Savior, and live accordingly all of the days of our lives.

    So when that day and hour that we and nobody else knows, catch up with us; we will know where we are going.

    December 16, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Matt

      You are delusional

      December 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • tallulah13

      As there isn't a single shred of evidence to support the existence of any god or the divinity of Christ, if he actually existed, I think that the most imperative thing we can do is live our lives as the best person we can be, try to do no harm to others, and be responsible for our own actions. If you need the reward of heaven or the threat of hell to be behave decently, then you really aren't a good person at all.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Anon

      Jesus is myth.
      Here's what your god's words mean to me.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OgAXbyzP5g

      December 16, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • skytag

      Here's a shorter list: There is not god. There is no heaven or hell, so no one goes to either after he dies. You believe a lot of fairytales.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      So all Muslims and Hindus are going to hell, because they were born in the wrong place. Christians... idiotic AND pompous.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  12. GAW

    Pedro it looks like your tin foil hat is staring to fall off.

    December 16, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Morris Pert

      I have a whole aluminum foil suit, with antlers and a peacock-like tail and bulging nipples and multiple antennaes and an ENORMOUS codpiece to make people think it isn't as tiny as it really . . . nevermind.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
  13. Morris Pert

    Well gang, this has been a total waste of time, but fun, I must admit. I actually have a job I have to get ready for tomorrow, protecting you all.

    Remember so long as you watch Myth Busters, and certain shows on the History Channel, and read Popular Science magazine AND Mental Floss, you can be assured that you have all the answers.

    December 16, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Evil_is_the_Lord

      or you could get all of your answers from one single book written 2000 years ago by bronzed aged goat herders who didnt even know the earth was round.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Zingo

      Okay! And remember, Ronald McDonald doesn't like it when you burn the fries!

      December 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Donna

      I'll agree with you, it is a total waste of time to go against reason and common sense as you have tried to.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Zingo

      What did Jesus and the Apostles call a herd of goats?

      Their favorite brothel.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Akira

      Bye bye.
      It's been really nice reading your pompous, sanctimonious, self-righteous, patronizing posts, you little smug prig.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Shoeless

      Morris Pert
      "I actually have a job I have to get ready for tomorrow, protecting you all."

      What *do* you do with all of those nail files, liquid shampoos and eyelash curlers?

      December 16, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  14. Evil_is_the_Lord

    Moral of the story. Worship god or he will probably kill your children in the most violent of fashions....because he loves them.

    December 16, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  15. George

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxkQNP2NkCk

    Richard Dawkins being schooled. He actually goes from belief in no God to a possibility of Intelligent Design. Then you have posers on cnn message boards who are essentially uneducated derelicts touting their "pseudo-intellectualism."

    December 16, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Evil_is_the_Lord

      Its absolutely astonishing that you dont understand what Dawkins in implying here. Sure we could have been designed, but what designed the designer. I showed this clip to my 12 year old nephew and he seriously understood it the first time he watched it. Amazing an adult cannot do the same. Then again, you beleive in invisible men in the sky who kill children when they arent worshiped enough. Seriously, watch it again and try to pay attention. He basically destroys your argument for a designed and you are too dim to understand.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Platonius

      Oh let Georgie have his little Dawkins fantasy. Don't confuse him with reality.

      Let's face it: religious people have terrible comprehension and critical thinking skills. There is no surprise at all to the well-documented fact that there is an inverse relationship between religious belief and intelligence.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Evil_is_the_Lord

      I dont know whats more pathetic, the fact that he keeps posting this video, or the fact that he reads the rebuttals and runs away with his tail between his legs every time. There is no way i could live that cowardly a life.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Donna

      If this is what I think it is, then all Dawkins is doing is speculating how ID could have occurred some place in the universe along the lines of us, say, modifying a species to life on Mars and putting it there.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Zingo

      There are two major tactics the religious people do here. One is the hit and run, say something thenvanish and never defend it. The other is to respond, but keep changing the subject so that you never have to defend your comments.

      You see, they want to debate, but if you have no evidence, you cannot base an argument on anything legitimate. That is why all of their statements are either blind assertions or (most commonly) fallacies. They cannot argue honestly, because they have no facts and no evidence.

      And they have been submerged in the sea of fallacy so long that they don't even know what facts and truth are anymore. They become upside-down inside-out non-thinkers, saying wild gibberish about how crazy it is to think the world is as you see it and how sane it is to believe a magic invisible superbuddy is your best friend.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • George

      @Platonius Here is your inverse relationship between intelligence and being religious. Guys like Josephson (Nobel prize is physics '73), Smalley (Nobel prize in chemistry '96), Abdus Salam ('79, Nobel in physics), Eccles ('63 Nobel in Medicine), Chain ('45 Nobel in Medicine), Wolfgang Pauli ('45 Nobel in physics), Raymond Damadian (inventor of the MRI)...Ramanujan (Indian Mathematician...born a hindu)...just a small small sample of the non-atheists out there.

      And we all know you don't have a fraction of their intelligence. So quit trying so hard.

      @Evil_is_the_Lord. It's "absolutely astonishing" that you are an idiot. Hope you're not abusing your 12 year old nephew. After Jeffrey Dahmer, I get a little creeped out by pseudo-intellectual atheists like you.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Poor George. The truth is you just schooled yourself. Anyone who actually watches this and has a grasp of logic can see what Dawkins is saying. It's hysterically funny to me that Ben Stein simply lies about what Dawkins says and that you have chosen to believe the lie, rather than the actual words spoken. You must be a republican.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • George

      @tallulah
      Poor tallulah. Don't know sh.it about me, my political views, or my religious beliefs.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Athy

      George, it's shit, not sh.it. With your superior intelligence, you should be able to figure out how to dodge the nasty-word filter. Many of us dumb atheists have. Give us a demonstration.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  16. Delbert

    The issue at the school shooting is not about religion in school vs. no religion in school. For example, we know this kind of thing doesn't happen in Saudi Arabia – and they have PLENTY of religion in school. Nor does it happen in Cuba – and they have NO religion in school.

    It's about totalitarianism vs. freedom. The less you control every aspect of peoples lives, the more likely something like this will happen.

    December 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Morris Pert

      Yes, indeed. You hit the nail on the head.

      Totalitarians don't let the people own guns, or peaceably assemble, or vote, or have freedom of religion – much like the wishes of the angry atheists on this site.

      100 million killed in the 20th C alone. They have so much more in store for the 21st!

      December 16, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Evil_is_the_Lord

      LOL at Morris. Correct Morris, atheists dont like anything and want you to just state at a wall all day. Or maybe you just know you are full of it and cant prove your god exists. Funny a slave to a horrilble imaginarey vindictive god would bash athests for not letting them be free. LOL

      December 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Donna

      Would that include the freedom to own weapons that people have no valid reason to privately own? If this guy was limited to just actual hunting rifles what are the chances that he could have killed so many before being stopped?

      December 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  17. Evil_is_the_Lord

    In case you havent noticed, thishappened becuase god isnt allowed in schools. Nevermind the shooter went to a religious school, where he was taught about god. This is because you people dont worship my god. My god doesnt like that. And when my god doesnt like something, he gets angry and starts killing children at will. The only way to stop my god from chilling your children is to drop to your knees and tell my god how good he is. So get on your knees unless you want more dead children. Mike Huckabee 2016

    December 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
  18. Morris Pert

    Traffic has died down . . . I wonder how many people are clicking around the Mensa site trying to figure out how to get a free membership? It would be funny to know.

    December 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • .

      Don't feed the troll.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Donna

      I guess you WOULD have to ask what it's like to be a member of Mensa, right Morris?

      December 16, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • fintastic

      Morris.... Morris... your Friskies are ready!

      December 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
  19. Pedro

    Atheists believe in the fairy tale that a frog can turn into a prince. Evolution is a myth. The new atheists belong to a cult with Richard Dawkins as their leader. Hitler was influenced by evolution just as much as his connection with the Catholic Church. (He was going to 'exterminate the s@v@ge races').

    December 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Smithsonian

      "Evolution is a myth"

      The stories found in the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1-12, such as the flood story, the record is quite different: the time period under consideration is much more ancient. The factual bases of the stories are hidden from our view archaeologically. The stories remain a part of folk traditions and were included in the Bible to illustrate and explain theological ideas such as: Where did humans come from? If humans were created by God (who is perfect and good), how did evil among them come to be? If we are all related as children of God, why do we speak different languages? It must be remembered that the Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. it was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science. It contains all sorts of literary genre, which are used to teach about the relationship between God and mankind. Even biblical history is edited history: events were chosen to illustrate the central theme of the Bible. The Biblical writers did not pretend they were giving a complete history; instead they constantly refer us to other sources for full historical details, sources such as "The Annals of the Kings of Judah" (or Israel).

      It is therefore not possible to try to "prove" the Bible by means of checking its historical or scientific accuracy. The only "proof" to which it can be subjected is this: Does it correctly portray the God-human relationship? In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Bet

      Troll harder.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Pedro

      IfI keep posting the exact same thing again and again, it will become true. Like Jesus said, a lie told a hundred times becomes the truth, and I obey Jesus. He also said that when you lie, you should tell a whopper of a lie, because people will think it is to big to be a lie, and they will believe it. So that's what I do.

      Jesus said those things.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • GAW

      Pedro your tin foil hat is staring to fall off.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Jim

      Pedro
      And you believe that some super being created a whole universe out of nothing using magic, right?

      December 16, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • northern light

      The Nazi German army led by Hitler in WW2 wore a belt buckle that said
      "Mitt Gott Uns"

      In English ....."God is with us".

      December 16, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It's funny how some christians can just blatantly lie and still think they will be rewarded, despite the Commandment that forbids them from "bearing false witness". They must think their god is stupid.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Jim

      tallulah13
      It's either a case of "The ends justify the means" or "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", I can't decide which.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
  20. Sam Yaza

    answer with Israel killing Palestinians

    December 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
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