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December 14th, 2012
06:17 PM ET
Massacre of children leaves many asking, 'Where’s God?'By Dan Gilgoff and Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editors (CNN) – As he waited with parents who feared that their kids were among the 20 children killed at a Connecticut elementary school on Friday, Rabbi Shaul Praver said the main thing he could do for parents was to merely be present. “It’s a terrible thing, families waiting to find out if their children made it out alive,” said Praver, who leads a synagogue in Newtown, Connecticut, and was among nine clergy gathered with parents at a firehouse near Sandy Hook Elementary School, where the shooting occurred. “They’re going to need a lot of help,” Praver said of those who are close to the dead. From the first moments after Friday’s massacre, which also left six adults and the shooter dead, religious leaders were among the first people to whom worried and grieving families turned for help. Over the weekend, countless more Americans will look to clergy as they struggle to process a tragedy in which so many of the victims were children. “Every single person who is watching the news today is asking ‘Where is God when this happens?’” says Max Lucado, a prominent Christian pastor and author based in San Antonio. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Lucado says that pastors everywhere will be scrapping their scheduled Sunday sermons to address the massacre. “You have to address it - you have to turn everything you had planned upside down on Friday because that’s where people’s hearts are,” Lucado says. “The challenge here is to avoid the extremes – those who say there are easy answers and those who say there are no answers.” Indeed, many religious leaders on Friday stressed that the important thing is for clergy to support those who are suffering, not to rush into theological questions. A University of Connecticut professor on Friday hung up the phone when asked to discuss religious responses to suffering, saying, “This is an immense tragedy, and you want an academic speculating on the problem of evil?” “There is no good answer at that time that anyone can hear and comprehend and take in,” said Ian T. Douglas, the bishop for the Episcopal diocese of Connecticut, referring to counseling family and friends of the dead. “They’re crying out from a place of deep pain.” Praver, the rabbi, will join a memorial service Friday night at Newtown’s St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church. “We’re going to have a moment of prayer for the victims,” Praver said of the service. “We cannot let it crush our spirit and we march on.” Some national religious groups are also sending staff to Newtown, with 10 chaplains dispatched from the North Carolina-based Billy Graham Evangelistic Association on Friday. Public officials including President Obama, meanwhile, turned to the Bible in responding to the shooting. “In the words of Scripture, 'heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds,' ” Obama said from the White House, citing the book of Psalms. On Twitter, #PrayForNewton became a trending topic. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories Some religious leaders argue that modern American life insulates much of the nation from the kind of senseless death and suffering that plagues much of the world every day. “Most of the world, for most of the world’s history, has known tragedy and trauma in abundance,” wrote Rob Brendle, a Colorado pastor, in a commentary for CNN’s Belief Blog after this summer’s deadly shooting in Aurora, Colorado, which left 12 dead. “You don’t get nearly the same consternation in Burundi or Burma, because suffering is normal to there,” wrote Brendle, who pastored congregants after a deadly shooting at his church five years ago. “For us, though, God has become anesthetist-in-chief. To believe in him is to be excused from bad things.” My Take: This is where God was in Aurora Lucado said there was an eerie irony for the Connecticut tragedy coming just before Christmas, noting the Bible says that Jesus Christ’s birth was followed by an order from King Herod to slay boys under 2 in the Roman city of Bethlehem. “The Christmas story is that Jesus was born into a dark and impoverished world,” Lucado says. “His survival was surrounded by violence. The real Christmas story was pretty rough.” Many religious leaders framed Friday’s shooting as evidence for evil in the world and for human free will in the face of a sovereign God. “The Bible tells us the human heart is ‘wicked’ and ‘who can know it?’” the Rev. Franklin Graham said in a statement about the massacre. “My heart aches for the victims, their families and the entire community.” Many religious leaders also said that such tragedies are a good time for lay people to express doubts about God – or anger. “This is a time to go deep and pray,” says Lucado. “If you have a problem with God, shake a fist or two at him. If he’s God, he’s going to answer. And if he’s in control, he’ll find a way to let you know. soundoff (9,195 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 Next » |
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The kid's life took a noticeably turn for the worse after his parents divorce. Divorce is for the rich.
It's far too early to say. Facts are thin on the ground at the moment, and they'll remain so for quite some time. Tamp down your urge to speculate until some facts are actually known.
noticeable, Editorial staff is on strike.
The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
G.K. Chesterton
You'll notice Chesterton did NOT say "religious convictions".
I think he was referring to the tyranny of relativism
Chesterton, however, wasn't discussing religion. He was discussing indifference, the unwillingness to take any position on anything whatsoever. His statement is parallel to Socrates' observation that "The unexamined life is not worth living". Which again doesn't speak to religion.
A good christian nutter..."I have enough automatic weapons and ammo to outfit the whole family in case the heathen were to attack me and mine. I do believe that god and the baby jesus will protect us, but you can't be too careful, praise the lord.
The political powers have the answer. Did you notice the Big O's vacant eyes when he said, "We’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.’"
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In the face of such a tragedy, it is up to each individual to seek his or her own higher power for comfort. To think of God as a "grand puppeteer" is to put a spiritual being into a finite human ideal that we can "manage" to suit our own desire to place blame and justify our own logic. For those of us who believe in God, it is a time to see how we can be helpful to those who are distraught and suffering; not trying to explain or justify an untenable event. For those who believe there is no God, it is time to see how you might be helpful to the distraught and suffering; not using this event as an opportunity to bash those who believe and "prove" that God does not exist. To fight over who is right or wrong about their spiritual beliefs using a mass murder as a platform insults and rubs salt in the wounds of the victim's families. ALL of our hearts and minds should be focused on encouraging and supporting those who lost their children, family members and friends. We should be expressing love and empathy towards them; not being selfish little creatures promoting personal agendas at the expense of the grieving.
The news media and organized religions will be using this as a platform to advance their own means. Let's not participate in this spiritual cannibalism that drives us further apart; rather, let's work together to find a solution that will prevent this from happening again. In the end, character is built through adversity and tragedy. Since such a horrible tragedy has happened, let's help those who are hurting and rise together as a stronger, wiser people.
Forget about God, how about "Where's guard?"
Actual facts, at this point, are understandably thin on the ground. But what I'm hearing is that the school was locked down as a matter of course, and guarded, but the gunman forced his was in past the guard(s).
In any case, it's best to wait until actual facts are known before speculating, keeping in mind that hindsight is abundantly worthless.
If there were no God, there would be no Atheists.
If there was no such game as chess we would all not play it.
That's about the dumbest argument I ever heard.
This post could be placed right alongside the definition of "facile".
By your (stupid) logic: If there were no God's God, there wouldn't be a God. By God existing, that proves that he was created by a creator. Your move, (stupid) logic.
If there were no faries there would be no non-believers in fairies.
When are we has a country going to get better gun control laws. The NRA keeps saying that the government is trying to control all aspect of our lives but look how many innocent people died this year from mass shooting. I guarantee that as soon as a member of the NRA family is massacred they will want to start changing their stands.
The "WE" god of the Socialists speaks.
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.[18]"
Wikipedia has an excellet review of the topic.
And the shootings obviously have not stopped.
What to do?
Background checks not only for the teachers but also their relatives.
Added security for all schools.
More at-home/internet education.
Gated parking lots.
No toleration of bullying or bullies.
And instill in all global citizens, three words: DO NO HARM!!!
I notice you've figured out that attempting to ban cars within "three miles of any school" and making buses the only sort of transportation allowed was as stupid an idea as ever you've written, Unreality.
I am truly amazed, and not just a little frightened, that people are saying this occurred because we have taken prayer out of school. If that is the case, who in their right mind would worship a deity that would allow the slaughter of poor, innocent children to prove his point about prayer in school!?! That is such a repulsive, arrogant statement and it speaks to the way Christians think. This happened because THERE IS NO GOD.
Talk about an arrogant repulsive statement . . . huh!
Yes, some people do not represent Christ as they should, but this does not take away from who Christ is. In the Bible it says that near the end time Christ/God will be shunned and sin will begin to reign more. By taking away "God" out of our school people are becoming more embolden to persecute, to kill, to have no sense of accountability. And whether or not you believe in God, we are seeing that very thing happen in our world today.
@ Serve Him,
May I ask why is it that you only bother with Christ? Why not put the million other gods in school too? Coz, only 1/4th of the world's population believes in your version of God. Pretty poor statistics there I might say!
This happened because a person did it. It has nothing to do with the existence or lack of existence of gods.
As to god in schools – which version of god will you have in schools ? It is not one size fits all. If you want religious teachign in school find an appropriate private school as is proper.
Stephanie, I completely agree. Those making such statements are exposing nothing but hatred and contempt for their fellows. They are the true face of evil in the world.
Because unlike you I did not hide behind the excuse "there are 1,000's" and use that to walk away. I challenged myself, and God, with acceptance. And yes, God does exist. My statement that "God does exist" is a personal statement, a statement that I know is true, a statement that I know you will reject only because until YOU have not gone down the same path I have gone.
Serve Him,
Why does a simple question offend you so much?
So, you have a journey of life, so do others. You have a reality, so do others. Well, of course that would raise the philosophical question – what is reality?
I never said there is no God in my above statement. Where did you read that???? All I asked is – are you willing to put all the other Gods in school too (bcoz each one of them is SOMEONE ELSE"S REALITY), not just Christ. Or are you trying to state that Christ is the only true God and Vishnu, Brahma, Zeus, Allah.... are all false!!!
@SImran where in my statement do see that I took "offense". You said something, and I responded. You obviously do not believe in God based on your comment...am I wrong about this statement? As far as the other "religions" they probably offer value and are maybe noble in their teachings...I don't know all "100's" or "1,000s". Which ones have you looked into? I've looked into Christ (a person...not a religion) and know that He is real, maybe no real in the sense you are seeking, but He is present. And this you will never understand until you go down this path.
@ Serve Him,
Well, I have looked into my own religion – Sikhism to begin with. And it is the most logical (which I say after having read through multiple other scriptures and analysis in accordance with science). I have looked into the teachings of Vedas, which happens to be something I take pride in (to be born into the land of such great knowledge, which sadly the Bible doesnot even reach anywhere near!). I have looked into Buddhism and Gautum Buddha to me is one of the greatest spiritual leaders of our country. So is Guru Nanak.
And none of these religions (you may call them the religions of the East) have ever fallen in conflict with science,unlike Christianity and Islam. In fact, many scientists themselves state that the Vedic knowledge is quite in accordance with science (read about Hindu cosmology).
And all these religions reject the idea of a PERSONAL GOD! Jesus Christ was a great spiritual leader, but he certainly was no more God than Sant Kabir, Baba Nanak, Buddha, Dalai Lama, Mahavir, the Sufi saints, and so on.... And I am not even going to add Rama, Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma etc to this list (coz we have no historic records of their era).
Now this is a stupid statement, Stephanie. This is a fallen world. Evil is everywhere. The liberals have collectively turned away from God with their abortion rights, killing of babies at will, sinful lifestyles, and then have the nerve to shout 'where is God"? Seek and you will find.
And that brings me back to the question – when you suggest that we put prayer back in schools – WHICH PRAYER? Yours or mine? Which God? Yours or mine? And why not the God of the Muslim?
So science is the root of your search. Your search must embrace science and you feel that Christians reject science. Science to me is the study of how God creates without removing the Creator. As far as prayer in school have you advocated prayer regardless of denomination? The problem is not that you reject prayer of Christ, but that you reject all prayer because a deity in general. If you were open as you are trying to appear, you would be fighting for prayer in school since we seem to allow practices of other nature to be conducted at school.
Serve Him, why can't any of you answer this question: why don't countries where religion is kept quite separate from public schools and government, even more than they are here, have these sorts of massacres?
None of you religious believers who contend this is the result of a lack of prayer in school has been able to step up to the plate and explain this. Why don't you?
@Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son because I never said that, that is why I don't explain it. In the Bible God actually proclaims that as a followers of Christ I am to pick up my cross and walk. Nowhere in the Bible does it say prayer in school, in my home, or if I donate $1,000 to my church am I promised to be pain free. You are trying to use worldly logic of admirable actions bring reward...that is NOT ever said in the Bible. We are to serve God as our reflection of our Love of Him, not for our worldly reward, but instead to have the place He has prepared for us (please read John 14:3).
As far as violence and guns, that is the heart of man speaking, not God's lack of intervention of which most try to place blame.
@ Serve Him,
So, you agree that any prayer (not a specific kind) is the answer here. Fine with me. Happens in my country in public schools. Of course there are religion based schools too. Not an issue by me.
But unlike you suggest, I don't feel the need for prayer and hence will not fight for it. I find myself in harmony with myself when I close my eyes and take a deep breath and utter the word "OM". And please do not start that by doing this I connect with God. If you ever read Yoga literature, you would find that there is pretty natural explanation of how this process works. But then, I do not suggest others do it too. To each his own! Prayer may work for you, but that it works for the masses – how do you prove that?
Every culture has had its own idea of a deity -some are monotheistic, some polytheistic, some religions like Buddhism are actually atheistic (Buddha stated that the whole idea of a creator is meaningless). So, the idea of A DEITY is itself open to debate first of all.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2952121/
This is an interesting analysis of how meditating OM helps the body. Might want to give it a look Serve Him – be open minded. And maybe, you could fight for putting OM into schools!
That won'd do, SH. If you want to follow a god and you're satisfied with one is either powerless to stop the painful, horrific death of innocent children or chooses not to intervene, you go right on ahead. Don't expect public schools to teach children that such a deity is to be obeyed and worshipped as a loving being. That would be teaching a lie.
@Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, God is not powerless as you suggest. The place your are eluding to will take place. Man introduced sin into the world and God had mankind be their own master, we rebelled against God. The same situation when you have a child that does not listen to the parent. The child must experience the "pain" before they will realize the value of listening to the parent. So where does this leave us? You choose to not believe and I do because God calls us to believe through faith while you are looking for "proof" through God's actions.
“Every single person who is watching the news today is asking ‘Where is God when this happens? <~~~ I'm not. This is horribly sad but people do this to people, God doesn't. He isn't a dictator. The Bible says when we are with Him we will experience "the glorious liberty of the children of God." Right now we are experiencing the very sad liberty of ourselves. People do this to people, God doesn't. Many seem to think we came from a meaningless gob, live a meaningless life then go to a meaningless grave. Maybe that's what this shooter thought.
God is not necessary to live a meaningful life.
Where is God? That's an easy one. God is on the side of gun control advocates. But we have the freedom to ignore God's plan and to enable the sick to slaughter us as we go to the movies, do our holiday shopping, and go to school.
I agree with you, God is not doing this. We need better gun control laws
DO ANY of you people realize that there are THOUSANDS of Religions - some of which have MULTIPLE Gods.
If there were Hindu kids (or kids of other Religions with MULTIPLE Gods), all this talk of "God" (the Christian single God – Jesus) is giving their Families LITTLE or NO comfort - maybe even a smack in the Face at such a tragic time.
I believe there is Truth in A L L [ repeat – A L L ] Religions - so I can't favor one (or it's particular beliefs) over any other.
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My sincere Condolences and Prayers to all the Families
You sound like a cop out too...."There are too many religions out there so I'll choose none, or, better yet, just fashion one in my own head"
You used "Prayers"...to whom are you praying? Maybe it is Christ who provides hope to the families. Just because there are 1,000's does not mean the family has not resolved to which one they place their hope. It is only Christ who promises to return to put things back to the way God meant things to be. It is in God's presence that someday the father, brother, sister, and mother someday will see their precious child again. That is where I place my hope, that is where I place my confidence...not in this world.
@ Serve Him
"Just because there are 1,000's does not mean the family has not resolved to which one they place their hope. It is only Christ who promises to return to put things back to the way God meant things to be. "
Dont you think these 2 statements are contradictory and reveal your prejudice?
In one sentence you say that the family has their own idea of whom or what they place their hope in. And then you say ot is only Christ who is the real deal??? Are you suggesting that 3/4th of the world's human race has no idea of what they are doing and only you are the one who has everything figured out????
Banks: That's not his argument.
I amazed "Where's God?" Another CNN topic to generate over 7000 comments. Where is God, same place He has always been. Those of you who want to blame God when bad things happen, however, when something great happens it is a thing of science. Where is God, waiting for HIS time to return to this world and turn things back to the way He meant. The children that died, they are with God. Their innocence is now a perfect work of God, something this terrible tragedy could not take away from them, something this world could not provide. I tell you the truth, there is a God.
So your position is that god is irrelevant.
Let's just skip over all the middle ground and state the precise equivalent: there is no god.
Spoken like someone who has already resolved a matter in their mind without actually reading and trying to understand. Nowhere did I say God was irrelevant. In fact, His relevance is known to those who accept Him, His final relevance will be known to all when He returns.
Read the book HEAVEN IS FOR REAL, and then you will realize how REAL God is!! Amazing story from a child who died and experienced heaven. He even met a sister that his mother had miscarried and that he could not have had any knowledge about as well as a Grandfather he never met. Seek and you will find that God IS real and there is a very real battle between good and evil here on earth. God gives us a free will, we choose what we do for good or bad, NOT God. He can stop these things from happening, but he isn't welcome anymore in our society.No God, no peace. Know God, know peace.
I have peace in my life and no need of your version of a god. While there is nothing inately wrong with people believing they are totally wrong when they state or imply there is something wrong or deficient about those that do not.
There are too many gods and too many versions of those gods to allow official to pick only 1 to indoctrinate into society.
I don't have to read the book. All I have to do is look at 20 young, blameless children lying dead to know there is no god.
Wanna bet that child was raised in a very religious home? The human sub-conscience is capable of a great many things. Ever have weird dreams? And WHY must there be a battle HERE on Earth? There are too many planets to count that would make a better battlefield. Why use humans as cannon fodder? Is your "god" so weak that it NEEDS an army to do battle? Your god is no god, it'a a General, and a wanna-be general at that. Patton, Bradley, Montgonmery or Rommel would kick its as's in a real battle.
@JWT = Sound like a cop out. "There are too many to choose from, so I'll choose none!"
I believe in none because I have never believed in any. There has never been any reason to believe in any god.
You talking about how this kid met the white Jesus, and they sang to him a song about genocide (Battle of Jerico)?
Huh. If that's the same kid I've heard about, they've embellished the story to add the sister. The one I read about only met his grandpa and Jesus.
You know, I had thought that this story was an honest misinterpretation of a child's confusion after a traumatic experience. Now It appears to be just another christian money-grab.
Wheres God? First of all He is omnipresent which means He fills the universe. I pray that He will comfort the hearts and minds of all those families that have been effected by this terrible tragedy. We are all children of the Lord. Are children are a heritage from God. I pray that we will put God back into our culture and not just on the back of our money. We have kicked Him out of our schools and are teaching alternative lifestyles instead of teaching biblical principals that have been declared since the begining of time. Our rulers need to erradicate games that teach our children violence and hatred. Our hollywood movies to boot. Please, let us as a nation repent and turn our faces back to the Maker who loves us so much and gave His life for us and our children. This is my prayer this Christmas season. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Peace on earth and goodwill to all mankind.
Once the world stops praying to the invisible man in the sky and gets rid of their delusions that someone is watching over all of us the world will be a better place. You don't need to teach mythology in the schools to know that you don't execute babies. There are sick people in the world and all the head bowing and praying and nonsensical beliefs will never change that. Stop wasting time praying to the invisible man to watch over the families in connecticut when that same invisble man was useless to stop the carnage. Get over your delusions people. Religion does nothing more than create another reason for people to hate others simply because they interpret the greatest selling work of fiction as telling them to hate others.
Maybe that is the problem: it's either YOUR god or the highway.
Please, please, keep your god damned christian nutter children away from mine, thank you.
"He is omnipresent which means He fills the universe."
"I pray that we will put God back into our culture"
Is this really the best you can do? You don't seem to realize that you can't have it both ways – god is either everywhere or he isn't. And if he is everywhere, he was in that school, where he put bullets in the brains of 20 young, blameless children. And he has to answer for that.
Or, there simply isn't a god, period.
Six of nine. I've taken the time to replace your hate-theist borg programming with some of our pantheism files. I sure hope it works.
Mark – I could not agree with you more. Nicely stated. Pray to whatever God you see fit. JUST PRAY. This country and the people in it need it.
"Where is God in the midst of suffering? He is suffering with those who are hurt. The bigger question is where are we?" Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Mother Theresa – unlike almost all other christians – went against the grain and actually acted on her delusions. We're fortunate that the subset of christian belief she acted on was the one that promotes compassion. Otherwise, she'd just be another member of the huge, howling mob insisting that the 20 young, blameless children are now dead because they deserved it.
The even bigger question is why you think that is profound. People like this are often nearly impossible to spot, so are we supposed to imprison all people with mental health issues because one in a hundred thousand might kill someone? Ignoring the insane cost, that very repressive and freedom-hating.
God is always the same yesterday today and forever we human chose to remove him from the school and said its oky for 2 man to get married and 2 woman to get marrie, mat 24 said all this is the end of time, sadom and gomarow
@ precios123 .. how are you doing with that English as a 5th language class? So far your grade is a solid "F minus" Or are you a product of parochial (re: "private") schools and have yet to finish that 3rd year of 6th grade?
This is for both groups of people:
FIRST: If you do believe in god, then you are thinking of how to rationalize this. You are probably saying god did not do this, but a lunatic did. god gave freedom, and this lunatic did so with his. You are probably now praying to get answers from invisible air, and accepting ANYTHING that comes your way so you can say, WOW, god does exist and he answered me. Guess what, god does not exist. I have been asking to know if he exists for 10 years, especially the first 5 of those 10 years. There is nothing. Get over your fear, and cope with reality even if it is mysterious. If god does care about you, he would answer you with more definite answers, and not just small little coincidences that you claim are from god. Think on your own, with your own brain.
SECOND: For the people that don't believe in god. Keep being honest to yourself.
If God does exist, why would he subject himself to our every demand that he prove himself, as if he were a show dog?
Pray for the families and the survivors, that's all most can do.
Most of the people posting in here grandstanding are just forum trolls. Best ignored and have their "Report abuse" links clicked if you feel like you really want to lash out back at them. Replying and talking about them only feeds them to do it more.
Ah, a pre-emptive reply against repliers. Cute. Hypocritical, but cute.
You may return to your helping-fantasy, uh, prayer now. I am sure they will be much better for your prayers. Much better.
"Pray for the families and the survivors, that's all most can do."
Your prayers aren't heard, because there is no one to hear them. And your sentiment exposes the try danger of religion: passive acceptance of wrong and injustice and refusal to take any action yourself to correct and prevent such wrongs.
christianity and other religions that promote such views are the true face of evil in the world.
Moo... How many guns and rounds of ammo does the average good christian (or any other type of religious fanatic) have in their home? A trick question, you do not have to answer.
We want God out of everypart of our country...how than can we expect his blessing and protection if we've kicked him out???
I don't give protection, not even to innocent kindergarteners. I have to let the killer have his free will instead.
"There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side."
Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night
You are the face of evil.
We don't want God out of every part of our country (although it would be nice if it went away on its own). Just out of government. Practice your religion, just don't use government resources to do so. Heck, the government even gives churches tax-exempt status. What more do you want? Besides, it was religious people that pushed for separation of church and state. They came from a land where they had one state-sponsored church, and any other denomination was harassed. Quit being such a drama-queen.
THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE WE TOOK GOD OUT OF SCHOOLS! ESPECIALLY THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL THE KILLER ATTENDED!!!
I posted this on the last page, but this time I'll direct it you... answer the following.... To all the idiots who claim that this happened because we "took god out of school", answer this .... In a PUBLIC classroom, would you make a Muslim child recite "Our Father"? Would you force the Jewish child to memorize "Hail Mary"? What about a kid who is raised in an Atheist or agnostic household? Would you still make them recite a prayer in homeroom? Well, would you?? C'mon.. answer this!!!
I would have thought the irony was obvious.
God is still allowed in the catholic cult and yet it doesn't protect those children from being harmed by the catholic pedophiles. By your logic your god must approve of child sexual assault.